Are Trade Shows a thing of the past?

[gonzo]

I fear this thread will come to an untimely end . . .

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Real old fashioned way to solve that.
Bulletin board with pieces of paper on it.
Right inside the gate, and don't charge people to use it, for shit's sake.

I'm sure there's a high tech equivalent...hell that's an opportunity for someone. I'd say 80% plus of show attendee's tote smart phones of one sort or another.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I'm sure there's a high tech equivalent...hell that's an opportunity for someone. I'd say 80% plus of show attendee's tote smart phones of one sort or another.

That's the problem...all that connectivity, and no one to connect to.

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I'm sure there's a high tech equivalent...hell that's an opportunity for someone. I'd say 80% plus of show attendee's tote smart phones of one sort or another.

Augmented Reality Porn Apps?

[C H R I S 2.0]

right on gonzo

[LAJ]

Originally Posted by AdorableAudrey

As an indie paysite owner I've felt a little out of place at the shows I've been to so far (Internext & Xbiz in Vegas), they definitely don't feel like they cater to small business owners like myself. I have enjoyed the connections I've made and picked up some valuable information at the shows but I have to say that private get-togethers and content shooting meets are a much better use of my travel dollars and time usually.

Shameless plug time...

Adorable Audrey... our show is catered specifically for people such as yourself. I really hope you give Cybernet Expo San Fran a try in 2010. I'll do what I can to make the experience great for you.

[gonzo]

Some input and observations from us that are irrelevant.

First off Chris ... your missing the point. Cancun? Lets run the price up even higher.

I DONT WANT A VACATION WITH EVERYONE IN THIS INDUSTRY AND I REFUSE TO CONTINUE PAYING FOR SHOWS LIKE IM GOING TO ONE.

Secondly... AVN signed a longterm contract to score a bigger deal. Good for you but now you are unable to react to a changing market yet you guys are in hopes we are going to bail you out until it ends?

In a free market thats called a poor business decision. Someones mistake is others gain.

Honestly the way AVN has treated the web side of this business for years as redheaded stepchildren ... I cant see many rushing to your aid to clean up a mistake you guys made.

And now I turn the gun on us on the web as some of us have observed ... we are turning into the video side of the market... the trend several of us are seeing is programs don't want to deal with webmasters, and they don't have a clue how to make money online any more, except to scam it.

They don't want to deal with the webmasters.

This entire business needs an enema.

[Hell Puppy]

It's fucked across the board. There are so many things broken about the industry or rather the business models it is built upon, that it is a complete and total mess.

And at the same time, even those who see it and might be wise enough to want to make moves to fix it are in a position where they'd have to sacrifice a huge chunk of their business to do so.

Who wants to be the first big PPS program to adjust your membership models and subsequently pay affiliates what that sign up is really worth? The sheep will move to the next $100 per signup weekend program. And those who have real traffic will just go cut a prepaid deal with whichever of your competitors will give them the best deal.

Meanwhile you aren't going to increase your number of signups significantly even if you feed it quality traffic yourself. Why? Because thanks to things like cross sales we've made savvy users absolutely paranoid about giving up their credit card number to anything that even remotely smells like porn. The people who should be our best customers will usually very quickly run across a site they want to join that gives them nothing but a cookie cutter back end and slams their card from so many angles they have to cancel the account with the credit card company and get a new number.

So much for repeat business.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Cleo

Augmented Reality Porn Apps?

I LOVE that idea!

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by gonzo

DUde you told me you were a big baller.
Why you always trying to line up freebies?

ive never uttered those words to anyone, let a lone you.

im a traffic guy, always have been, always will be.

and in that same breath, i do not care if i am making 10 dollars a month or 10 thousand, ill take any freebie i can get from anyone at any time.

everyone rich ive ever spoke to got that way from not spending money on things they didnt have 2.

i drop in here from time to time to read whats posted here, i am not here to start any issues or problems.

if you do not want a webmaster who youve known to be in this biz for over 10 years visiting, please tell me so, and ill head back to the zoo.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by brand0n

ive never uttered those words to anyone, let a lone you.

im a traffic guy, always have been, always will be.

and in that same breath, i do not care if i am making 10 dollars a month or 10 thousand, ill take any freebie i can get from anyone at any time.

everyone rich ive ever spoke to got that way from not spending money on things they didnt have 2.

i drop in here from time to time to read whats posted here, i am not here to start any issues or problems.

if you do not want a webmaster who youve known to be in this biz for over 10 years visiting, please tell me so, and ill head back to the zoo.

When you get thin skinned?
And I will agree if its free its for me!
Where did you move to?

[brand0n]

i guess in my older years im trying to move as far away from name calling and shit strirring as possible. its never done me a bit of good really.

i moved back to myrtle beach sc. i still have my house (being rented currently) in charlotte and ive rented a beach house for the time being until i can figure out what life holds for me next.

as it stands i am in ohio with my programing team working on a new traffic venture. pulling an all nighter currently. heading back to the beach on the 5th or so, then down to FL for a few days to work on a deal with a fellow traffic webmaster, see if we cant swap some of my gray hat non productive mainstream traffic for some of his black hat productive adult traffic.

guess im getting old gonz.. if its not about making a dollar, saving a dollar or securing a dollar all ready made, im not really into it any more. both time and life are short. im not going to waste either unless its on one of those 3 above.

how you doing? back in ga eh? tell erica i said hello, and that ive never wished ill of her, instead wished the best.

[MikeSouth]

There has been some good constructive ideas here, but one of the things I see lacking is how the show is marketed. The show organizers need to look at whom they are trying to attract and for what.

lets take adult expo because its the perfect example.

Used to be you had to have some sort of reason to be there. You had to at least ut up the facade that you were involved in the industry...even when a CES badge would get you in. They didn't advertise on the radio and late night TV to come see suzy sukskok at the Sahara Convention Center Fri afternoon where sumlameniggas will be rappin their latest attempt at music and imwithstupid.com will be giving away 1000 dollars cash to whoever can best imitate steve o

Sure there were tire kickers, lots of them but they at least had to bother to print up a business card that related them to the industry.

When AVN figured out they could make money by inviting the dumb masses to see suzy, sumlameniggas and "morans" all for the low low price of 50 bucks per person per day or whatever the focus of the show shifted....from a business show to a fan show.

What they failed to do was offset the exhibitors cost, now the exhibitor is there to entertain the fans, not to do business and the cost to provide that entertainment has gone WAY up and exhibitors are dropping out because there is no ROI on suzy, sumlameniggas and a moran.

The same thing has happened to the adult internet shows that have been taken over by porn valley.

I mean when you have Joanna Angel speaking on a panel to adult webmasters and she says her site gets "5 million hits a day" that should tell you something....This actually happened and the guy next to me says to me shit I didn't know she owns google.

The bottom line here is if you want the show to be industry focused market it that way and do some q c on your product.

I dont go to shows whose main focus is Suzy Sukskok will be at the fantasy island booth and sumlameniggas will perform at the party we are throwing on Saturday night which, btw, costs 100.00 per person to attend but we do give you a chair and a bottle of andre cold duck but only if there are at least 4 of you......

[Robert]

First seminar I went to at a show in '00, I was eager to learn but left dissapointed. Second one I spent half asleep with a drink in my hand listenning to the same crap I'd heard at the first. Never bothered with a third.

[gonzo]

[quote=MikeSouth;829718

I mean when you have Joanna Angel speaking on a panel to adult webmasters and she says her site gets "5 million hits a day" that should tell you something....This actually happened and the guy next to me says to me shit I didn't know she owns google.

.[/quote]
She also said not to do anything but constantly shoot content for 2 years too. And I still dont think she owns google.

We heard a lot of bullshit come off of that panel. Program owners that talk in 3rd person was the other example. Shit I didnt know The Rock was in porn.

Joanna is a smart and articulate woman. She does know how to market to her fans but I dont think she knew how a typical person gets into this business without the backing of the west coast. There were a lot of new girls starting out in that biz in that room in Tampa and they asked a lot of questions outside of the seminar to diffuse a lot of misinformation on that panel. She should have kept KevinG on staff to help her out. But who am I to say anything to her as she is doing quite well. Point is that I dont think this was the best use of her as a show draw.

I still contend and tell Jay this constantly that the Tampa show was the best Cybernet Expo Ive ever been to. And Ive been to most of them in the past even when I was dog assed broke and staying 15 miles offsite to be able to attend.

[RawAlex]

MikeSouth, one of the problems is when the show people and the attendees no longer have the same goals. Basically, a good "business" show has the goal of bringing all the major players together under one roof, creating a situation where people can meet, get business done, find new products, programs, whatever, and get things done. When the show has that goal, they profit when things go right.

Well, in AVN's case, the webmaster shows are now just excuses for a 3 day bender and exchange of beers to keep people as "top notch bros". The AEE show is now more about entertaining the public rather than getting business done.

I am sure that in both shows, business is done - but it isn't the goal of the shows, as as a result, the purpose of the shows has slipped away from the average webmaster / producer.

AVN's aim is purely bottom line at this point, so if selling $50 tickets to the droolers and selling $300 badges to the webmasters is the way to make money, they are there. But as has been shown in the last couple of years, the attendance is dropping, the exhibitor count at the AEE show is dropping (the back half of the show floor this year was, umm, more like a flea market than anything else). The writing is on the wall.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by brand0n

i guess in my older years im trying to move as far away from name calling and shit strirring as possible. its never done me a bit of good really.

i moved back to myrtle beach sc. i still have my house (being rented currently) in charlotte and ive rented a beach house for the time being until i can figure out what life holds for me next.

as it stands i am in ohio with my programing team working on a new traffic venture. pulling an all nighter currently. heading back to the beach on the 5th or so, then down to FL for a few days to work on a deal with a fellow traffic webmaster, see if we cant swap some of my gray hat non productive mainstream traffic for some of his black hat productive adult traffic.

guess im getting old gonz.. if its not about making a dollar, saving a dollar or securing a dollar all ready made, im not really into it any more. both time and life are short. im not going to waste either unless its on one of those 3 above.

how you doing? back in ga eh? tell erica i said hello, and that ive never wished ill of her, instead wished the best.

Age is inevitable for all of us but it beats the alternative.
We are both back in Atlanta. I had family and a house here to return to when the task was completed.

Erika is doing well with the chance to make decisions for herself. And she agrees life is too short to be worried about board drama.

[Erika]

Originally Posted by brand0n

i guess in my older years im trying to move as far away from name calling and shit strirring as possible. its never done me a bit of good really.

i moved back to myrtle beach sc. i still have my house (being rented currently) in charlotte and ive rented a beach house for the time being until i can figure out what life holds for me next.

as it stands i am in ohio with my programing team working on a new traffic venture. pulling an all nighter currently. heading back to the beach on the 5th or so, then down to FL for a few days to work on a deal with a fellow traffic webmaster, see if we cant swap some of my gray hat non productive mainstream traffic for some of his black hat productive adult traffic.

guess im getting old gonz.. if its not about making a dollar, saving a dollar or securing a dollar all ready made, im not really into it any more. both time and life are short. im not going to waste either unless its on one of those 3 above.

how you doing? back in ga eh? tell erica i said hello, and that ive never wished ill of her, instead wished the best.

There is nothing anyone can say or do to offend me We are who we are.

[Toby]

The days of "panel" seminars being acceptible has come and gone. From what I've seen in the numerous comments across several boards on the future of trade shows, that's probably the most universal. The seminars have to be improved, more formal, more relevant, more informative.

Atlanta Forum last year brought in speakers on general business topics. Those went over well, other than being a bit early in the day for this crowd.

The live shoot demo by Spannow and crew at Cybernet got rave reviews.

I don't recall anyone even mentioning any of the panels at various shows in a positive light.

I hope there are a few show organizers lurking out there, reading along, taking notes...

[Erika]

I have only been to 2 trade shows. The Costa Rica show and the Atlanta forum. Costa Rica to me was not much of a biz show, but more of a vacation for freeloaders. The Atlanta Forum I did not get to experience too much because of the person I went to those shows with. In my opinion, consumer shows would be the most beneficial. You target the people you want to really do business with. Having drinks with webmasters and half the people at a trade show who usually don't do squat in porn in a waste. I consider those the "bro" and "big baller" shows.

I say target the consumers and if you know what you are doing, you really don't need many affiliates. Webmaster shows have become nothing but a popularity dick sucking contest and with the economy, not many go to them as much as they did.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Erika

I say target the consumers and if you know what you are doing, you really don't need many affiliates. Webmaster shows have become nothing but a popularity dick sucking contest and with the economy, not many go to them as much as they did.

Trade shows, by definition, are not consumer shows. They're for people who are in the trade.

Consumer shows can be very beneficial for producers and performers, but they really only work well in LARGE markets. AEE in Vegas during, or overlapping, with CES for example, or the Erotica shows in Los Angeles. Consumers are not going to travel outside their local area to attend.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Toby

Trade shows, by definition, are not consumer shows. They're for people who are in the trade.

Consumer shows can be very beneficial for producers and performers, but they really only work well in LARGE markets. AEE in Vegas during, or overlapping, with CES for example, or the Erotica shows in Los Angeles. Consumers are not going to travel outside their local area to attend.

Shes talking about the invasion styled promos we did the last couple of years into consumer shows.

When we were doing the panels and dragoncon and frolicon to promote existing and new sites. Worked out quite well.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Shes talking about the invasion styled promos we did the last couple of years into consumer shows.

When we were doing the panels and dragoncon and frolicon to promote existing and new sites. Worked out quite well.

But that's not really relevant to Adult Trade Shows.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Erika

I have only been to 2 trade shows. The Costa Rica show and the Atlanta forum. Costa Rica to me was not much of a biz show, but more of a vacation for freeloaders. The Atlanta Forum I did not get to experience too much because of the person I went to those shows with. In my opinion, consumer shows would be the most beneficial. You target the people you want to really do business with. Having drinks with webmasters and half the people at a trade show who usually don't do squat in porn in a waste. I consider those the "bro" and "big baller" shows.

I say target the consumers and if you know what you are doing, you really don't need many affiliates. Webmaster shows have become nothing but a popularity dick sucking contest and with the economy, not many go to them as much as they did.

If you are selling your brand "Erika", then yes, a public show is probably very good for you. AEE in fact is a great show for the performers to get exposure (the right kind) to their potential fan base, to grow a fan base, to make them more loyal. if it wasn't for some truly insane rules in Vegas, there would be a huge market for these stars to sell and autograph merchandise all day.

The problem is we are talking B2B here. You did spot some of the problem, people who show up to trade shows but don't do squat in the porn business, just came down for a party. Vegas adult webmaster show was terrible for that, probably 1/3 of the people attending bought badges just to get invites to the parties. Their only involvement in porn was the use of their right hands and kleenex.

It is the reasons why shows like Cybernet, Phoenix, etc all end up being more productive, becuase they aren't marketed to the same people, and most if not all the people you meet at the shows are actually in the business.

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by AdorableAudrey

As an indie paysite owner I've felt a little out of place at the shows I've been to so far (Internext & Xbiz in Vegas), they definitely don't feel like they cater to small business owners like myself.

And that's too bad. I promote many Indies and would enjoy meeting them and hearing their take on the biz. I would also love the opportunity to shoot some fresh content with a solo girl I promote for about an hour or so. Exclusive content for an affiliate could go a long way in creating a good business relationship.

[tony404]

I think people also dont realize you really dont need to be face to face to do business anymore. When I was a headhunter I placed board room level executives never met anyone. I couldnt tell you that the ceo's who wrote the checks to us or the guys I placed looked like. When I was with a dotcom I did a deals with a large dotcoms and marketers never met anyone.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by tony404

I think people also dont realize you really dont need to be face to face to do business anymore. When I was a headhunter I placed board room level executives never met anyone. I couldnt tell you that the ceo's who wrote the checks to us or the guys I placed looked like. When I was with a dotcom I did a deals with a large dotcoms and marketers never met anyone.

The value of shows for me, in terms of doing new business, is those new contacts with people that I've never worked with before, that I'd never spoken with or often never even heard of before meeting them at a show. The shows just put everyone in the same place at the same time.

[EmporerEJ]

Well, I think if they want to have fans come, that's Ok. But they should have "Trade only" time, if that's what the show is about.
If we exhibit at a show, we are looking for both "customers." But, everyone knows you deal with things, and keep the both locked up on "Fan" days.

And the badges should be CLEARLY marked "Fan".
Charge the fans, cut the price on the exhibitors.
I donb't have a problem with AVN/XBiz, or whoever making a buck on the shows, but make it a REASONABLE buck.

And charging talent to be there? What kind of sense does that make? No Talent, no droolers.
Just make sure you have different days, different things. But all the CES Geeks in one place? It's a gold mine.....mine it.
It's good for the industry all around.
That's how the show got started, y'know?

I'm a classic example.....started out as a hybrid CES/AVN (Video store owner, worked in both industries)

[Hell Puppy]

Mike hits upon one of the key problems. And that is the agenda of the people producing the shows. Whether it be AVN, xbiz or whoever, they are doing it as a for profit venture. Any show is, but the difference here is they are using the long outdated exhibition/seminar model, which I think we've all pretty well established is broken.

The best shows right now are those that are actually put on for "business partners". The show itself, call it a summit or whatever, is not for profit, though they will try to at least break even or subsidize the hell out of the event with sponsorships or registration costs. But the underlying goal is to bring together business partners who are in a symbiotic relationship to learn and strategize how they can all grow together.

To put it another way, our shows are all about everyone trying to protect or expand their piece of the pie....and it's a shrinking pie. I'd be more interested in learning how to grow the pie. I dont mind sharing, I have no desire to be a monopoly, and I will help people if it helps me. Adult shows as they exist now do not foster this type of relationship at all...

[gonzo]

Theres that word again . . . "summit" .

I wonder way off somewhere if there is a bell being rung...

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Mike hits upon one of the key problems. And that is the agenda of the people producing the shows. Whether it be AVN, xbiz or whoever, they are doing it as a for profit venture. Any show is, but the difference here is they are using the long outdated exhibition/seminar model, which I think we've all pretty well established is broken.

The best shows right now are those that are actually put on for "business partners". The show itself, call it a summit or whatever, is not for profit, though they will try to at least break even or subsidize the hell out of the event with sponsorships or registration costs. But the underlying goal is to bring together business partners who are in a symbiotic relationship to learn and strategize how they can all grow together.

To put it another way, our shows are all about everyone trying to protect or expand their piece of the pie....and it's a shrinking pie. I'd be more interested in learning how to grow the pie. I dont mind sharing, I have no desire to be a monopoly, and I will help people if it helps me. Adult shows as they exist now do not foster this type of relationship at all...

good points, I think that will never happen because there are waaay too many agendas and way too many who couldnt make nickle in the real world and the thought this world is crumbling.Makes them do anything to save what they have. There is a real desperation in the air.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Mike hits upon one of the key problems. And that is the agenda of the people producing the shows. Whether it be AVN, xbiz or whoever, they are doing it as a for profit venture. Any show is, but the difference here is they are using the long outdated exhibition/seminar model, which I think we've all pretty well established is broken.

The best shows right now are those that are actually put on for "business partners". The show itself, call it a summit or whatever, is not for profit, though they will try to at least break even or subsidize the hell out of the event with sponsorships or registration costs. But the underlying goal is to bring together business partners who are in a symbiotic relationship to learn and strategize how they can all grow together.

To put it another way, our shows are all about everyone trying to protect or expand their piece of the pie....and it's a shrinking pie. I'd be more interested in learning how to grow the pie. I dont mind sharing, I have no desire to be a monopoly, and I will help people if it helps me. Adult shows as they exist now do not foster this type of relationship at all...

Look, I appreciate your opinion, but I just can't agree. I've never heard of a trade show put on "Not for profit." Sounds more like you are having "a meeting." Or maybe a sewing group?
You could put your own show/summit, on maybe?

And hell yes, it's about a bigger piece of pie. And I DON'T agree with you on "Shrinking pie." Maybe from your seat?

The adult industry has STEADILY grown since the mid 80's when I started in in it?

And you want to know about something new...something that "grows the pie?"
What the hell have I been doing for the past 9 years?
I invented the Virtual Sex Machine, and created an enitrely NEW channel to RESELL the "Pie" (Content...new or old, is NEW to the VR market,) in.
Don't blame me if some people can't see it. "Others" seem to get it as we are now beginning to see "Knock offs," or put more kindly for the benefit of others here, "similar players in the VR field."

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by tony404

good points, I think that will never happen because there are waaay too many agendas and way too many who couldnt make nickle in the real world and the thought this world is crumbling.Makes them do anything to save what they have. There is a real desperation in the air.

Real desperation because there has been little change in the adult market in the past 30 years.

Film to Video (Big Jump in sales) 80's
Video to DVD and web in the 90's. (New sales channels for basically the same product)
The public is still just watching a video of porn on a screen.
80's- Theater, and then TV screen-
90's-00's- TV screen & Computer screen......(And now it lags, and is jumpy)

And they've finally figured it out.

Hence, they expect it for free. And some in the industry, are happy to oblige with Tube sites. (Which I don't care about)
But everyone else screams "The sky is falling" because the days of shooting fish in the barrel is over.

Boy, we couldn't see this one coming, like 10 years ago? When all the other "business models" in the non-adult industry also failed to monetize web traffic?

PLEASE. If you don't give the customer some kind of "value added" service, real or perceived, he eventually figures it out, and you've lost his attention, and his dollars.

Maybe there NEEDS to be "desperation in the air."

[tony404]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Real desperation because there has been little change in the adult market in the past 30 years.

Film to Video (Big Jump in sales) 80's
Video to DVD and web in the 90's. (New sales channels for basically the same product)
The public is still just watching a video of porn on a screen.
80's- Theater, and then TV screen-
90's-00's- TV screen & Computer screen......(And now it lags, and is jumpy)

And they've finally figured it out.

Hence, they expect it for free. And some in the industry, are happy to oblige with Tube sites. (Which I don't care about)
But everyone else screams "The sky is falling" because the days of shooting fish in the barrel is over.

Boy, we couldn't see this one coming, like 10 years ago? When all the other "business models" in the non-adult industry also failed to monetize web traffic?

PLEASE. If you don't give the customer some kind of "value added" service, real or perceived, he eventually figures it out, and you've lost his attention, and his dollars.

Maybe there NEEDS to be "desperation in the air."

you have some good points but I think there is desperation when you have big companies giving away full scenes on the hope some will join after jerking off to their stuff for free.

[MikeSouth]

Look Im not saying they shouldnt profit, they should...what I am saying is market your product to your target market stop trying to be everything to everyone...it doesnt work.

If you want to be a fan show dont rape your exhibitors, you need them to survive...as Adult Expo is finding out.

If you want to be a trade show keep the fans out, or at least limit it to those willing to make an effort to pretend to be legit....Those guys sometimes do get in the biz....I did.

BTW I like Cybernet Expo I think it is one of the better shows but I cant justify going to SFO for it

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by tony404

you have some good points but I think there is desperation when you have big companies giving away full scenes on the hope some will join after jerking off to their stuff for free.

Yea, I agree. I'm still trying to figure out that business model?
Own a tube site, and a "per minute" site?

I guess it works if you ONLY give a tease, but they don't?
I dunno, seems counter productive to me..

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by MikeSouth

Look Im not saying they shouldnt profit, they should...what I am saying is market your product to your target market stop trying to be everything to everyone...it doesnt work.

If you want to be a fan show dont rape your exhibitors, you need them to survive...as Adult Expo is finding out.

If you want to be a trade show keep the fans out, or at least limit it to those willing to make an effort to pretend to be legit....Those guys sometimes do get in the biz....I did.

BTW I like Cybernet Expo I think it is one of the better shows but I cant justify going to SFO for it

I'm with you on "Rape the exhibitors." Main reason we don't exhibit.
Charge us $3K, have to deal with the teamsters, who, I'm sorry, were downright rude, offensive, and abusive, and then, the crem d'la crem, don't allow us to demonstrate our product with adult content.
It was an ADULT show, and we couldn't run an adult video on the screen.
What a joke.

On the other hand...Canada LOVED us. Price was CHEAP, fans were all VERY polite, other exhibitors were VERY polite, and show managment was very accomodating.

No American cheese for my sandwich.......but hey, what can you do? When is Rome......

[tony404]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Yea, I agree. I'm still trying to figure out that business model?
Own a tube site, and a "per minute" site?

I guess it works if you ONLY give a tease, but they don't?
I dunno, seems counter productive to me..

I own paysites and have some clips for sale stores. I agree with you, I cant figure out the business model of giving it all away. I think its because its not a business model.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by tony404

I own paysites and have some clips for sale stores. I agree with you, I cant figure out the business model of giving it all away. I think its because its not a business model.

I GOT IT!

The head of Vivid just said so, on CNBC. (They are re-running the Porn/pleasure special, probably or ratings...THEY -CNBC- Know their business model!)

Anyhow, Steven, (head of vivd, who one time sued AEBN's Tube site for having their content on it, then, later on, made a deal with them to put their content on their tube site......) well, he said "Who knows, maybe some day we'll be giving away our content for free to sell advertising on our website."

Okeee.....dokeee.....

How d'yall feel about that?

[gonzo]

In my opinion I think Steve likes publicity for the sake of publicity.

Ive been told bad press is better than no press at all.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by gonzo

In my opinion I think Steve likes publicity for the sake of publicity.

Ive been told bad press is better than no press at all.

T'is true....was ever so.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

I GOT IT!

The head of Vivid just said so, on CNBC. (They are re-running the Porn/pleasure special, probably or ratings...THEY -CNBC- Know their business model!)

Anyhow, Steven, (head of vivd, who one time sued AEBN's Tube site for having their content on it, then, later on, made a deal with them to put their content on their tube site......) well, he said "Who knows, maybe some day we'll be giving away our content for free to sell advertising on our website."

Okeee.....dokeee.....

How d'yall feel about that?

Hasn't that pretty much been the big complaint against certain industry players? The buying of that advertising space?

Off topic, but I would expect to start seeing that bleed off.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Hasn't that pretty much been the big complaint against certain industry players? The buying of that advertising space?

Off topic, but I would expect to start seeing that bleed off.

It is why his comment is so outrageous, because Vivid in theory is at the TOP of the food chain, not the bottom. They should be the ones buying banner spots from others, not selling them. If Vivid is using their content to only sell dating sites and push penis pills, then you know that there isn't any money left in porn.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It is why his comment is so outrageous, because Vivid in theory is at the TOP of the food chain, not the bottom. They should be the ones buying banner spots from others, not selling them. If Vivid is using their content to only sell dating sites and push penis pills, then you know that there isn't any money left in porn.

I'm not seeing where you get Hirsch using his content to push penis pills, but ok.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

I'm not seeing where you get Hirsch using his content to push penis pills, but ok.

If he is going to sell advertising on porn sites, what exactly do you think they would be pushing? Coca Cola isn't lining up to be on the vivid site. What else is there?

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

If he is going to sell advertising on porn sites, what exactly do you think they would be pushing? Coca Cola isn't lining up to be on the vivid site. What else is there?

They seem to have been working hard to build the "Vivid Lifestyle" (Read "Playboy" brand wanna be here)

Then, you'd be buying your Vivid underoos.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

If he is going to sell advertising on porn sites, what exactly do you think they would be pushing? Coca Cola isn't lining up to be on the vivid site. What else is there?

With regard to the specific case pointed to up thread, he isn't. He's simply changing his use of existing promotional material for vetted traffic to his content and program.

Coca-Cola has broad level investorships to concern itself with in a way most adult companies don't.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

With regard to the specific case pointed to up thread, he isn't. He's simply changing his use of existing promotional material for vetted traffic to his content and program.

Coca-Cola has broad level investorships to concern itself with in a way most adult companies don't.

Who knows....maybe they'll be smoking and pushing "Vivid-cigs."

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I fear this thread will come to an untimely end . . .

As predicted...

Anyone seen a date for the 2010 show anywhere?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by gonzo

As predicted...

Anyone seen a date for the 2010 show anywhere?

Actually, no I have not ?