Too Much Media vs. NR Media....

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

you want the truth??? you can HANDLE the truth!!!!!

haha

seriously, the most I can say publicly is that Angel and Vegas are VERY good friends of ours....we have been through a lot with them, and anyone that knows how honest I am, can be sure they are on the exact same level

On the same level eh? So, you've served time in the federal pen? And you would sell a laptop that you don't own on ebay?

[Jace]

and now for the long version

sorry, had to type it all out

Was I an affiliate of Xclusive Cash, yes, can I tell if money were owe to me, don't know because obviously the site is all gone now so I guess you can considered that as a personal interest ... Before all this happened I've never had any problems with Chris or Tracey other wise I wouldn't have joined their program, but when some of my friends are owed money and it doesn't look like they have any intentions of paying, yea I'm gonna take sides and I'm gonna defend on what I think it's right

after reading the deposition, even Chris said in his own words, this is not about paying back the affiliates it's about what was posted on GFY, translates... rebill issues, affiliate payouts.. not my concern, I just wanna know where's my 5 million

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

On the same level eh? So, you've served time in the federal pen? And you would sell a laptop that you don't own on ebay?

When I was 18 I got caught stealing credit cards out of mailboxes, I was arrested and charged with 31 counts of fraudulent use with a credit card and 21 counts of theft of mail matter...all dropped to misdemeanor due to it being my first offense

when I was 21-24 I was a pretty crazy cocaine dealer, I was selling on average 2-3 ounces a week and was known where I was as "the coke guy"...that ended when I was 24 when the DEA busted down my door and charged me with intent to distribute and posession, all they could find was a gram of cocaine and some bunk ecstasy pills

in total since I was 18 I have been to jail 8 times

since then I have shaped my life in a better direction, am I still a hooligan every once and a while, sure! what is life without breaking a few rules?

as for that laptop they claimed he stole, he was given a list of things to give back to NR, EVERY single thing that was listed was returned, the laptop wasn't and because all their cash was gone from a business being pulled out from under them, he sold it to make ends meet

[Jace]

and btw, blake have NEVER been anything but up front and honest about doing time, if you ask he will tell you...he will also tell you that period of his life is LONG GONE, and anyone that does business with him KNOWS THAT without a doubt

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

after reading the deposition, even Chris said in his own words, this is not about paying back the affiliates it's about what was posted on GFY, translates... rebill issues, affiliate payouts.. not my concern, I just wanna know where's my 5 million

Yeah, he said that the lawsuit and deposition were not about the affiliates, and he was right. It is a defamation case, it is not a case of him suing on behalf of the affiliates or the affiliates suing.

So, for answering the question honestly, he doesn't care if he ever pays the affiliates eh?

You sure get more out of a paragraph then I do.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Jace

the laptop wasn't and because all their cash was gone from a business being pulled out from under them, he sold it to make ends meet

oh wait, let me rephrase that, maybe not to make ends me because after all Chris suggested that Blake stole $209K right????

[Jace]

yea so why wouldn't you take it personally when your friends are NOT being paid and NR's done nothing to address that issue

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Yeah, he said that the lawsuit and deposition were not about the affiliates, and he was right. It is a defamation case, it is not a case of him suing on behalf of the affiliates or the affiliates suing.

So, for answering the question honestly, he doesn't care if he ever pays the affiliates eh?

You sure get more out of a paragraph then I do.

there is SO much more to that lawsuit than a defamation case and you know it

if you think the only outcome is going to be someone gets justice for some bad words they said, then you really need to go back and re-read what is really going on

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

as for that laptop they claimed he stole, he was given a list of things to give back to NR, EVERY single thing that was listed was returned, the laptop wasn't and because all their cash was gone from a business being pulled out from under them, he sold it to make ends meet

I never saw anything where they claimed he stole it. I saw where he was asked if he tried to sell a laptop that he had gotten from the company on ebay and he said that yes he did.

So, if someone forgets to ask you for something back then it is ok for you to sell it?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I never saw anything where they claimed he stole it. I saw where he was asked if he tried to sell a laptop that he had gotten from the company on ebay and he said that yes he did.

So, if someone forgets to ask you for something back then it is ok for you to sell it?

was that in the desposition,? Chris forgot to ask for it back? If you sell your house and during the contract signing the fridge is not on the list of items being sold do you as a buyer come back later and say oh sorry that fridge is mine? I forgot to put it in the contract

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

there is SO much more to that lawsuit than a defamation case and you know it

if you think the only outcome is going to be someone gets justice for some bad words they said, then you really need to go back and re-read what is really going on

Perhaps, but the fact remains that NR is suing TMM over defamayion. Will there be lots of subresults, sure, Chris even indicates that an accounting is one of the things he hopes would come out of it even though he did not ask for it explicitly.

So, it is ok for you to understand that there is more to it than the surface but it is not ok for Chris to realize that. Because Chris did not make that a primary function of the lawsuit he must be not want that, eh?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Looks like (according to Chris) he tried to pay at least something to some of them:

So, he made that offer to 3 affiliates and that supposed to make him look like he's doing the right thing? It's one thing if Chris had made this offer to ALL the affiliates, then yea I can see an attempt has been made to make things right and maybe more people would be on their side of the fences, but not once since all this happened he's made a public statement with that offer, as matter of fact when asked how was xclusive cash terminated... "humm we took off the html pages?" WTF where's the press release for that? I didn't know that's how programs are terminated these days.. screw you and your existing codes, it's gone see ya!

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

So, it is ok for you to understand that there is more to it than the surface but it is not ok for Chris to realize that. Because Chris did not make that a primary function of the lawsuit he must be not want that, eh?

Anytime there's a problem with a sponsor program, the primary response for any responsible program owner is to make sure the affiliates link codes, payments are not compromised. Hell I get letter from sponsor programs when payments are late... and to think this has been going on for over a year and it's not their primary concern?

[Jace]

so back to your original question.. what is your personal stake in all this? "if he is on the side of the truth, then he should not be so one sided about it" which side are you on lol

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

was that in the desposition?

Not in those words. Blake indicates that he returned what he was asked to return. Since that laptop was not on the list, he did not return it.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

So, he made that offer to 3 affiliates and that supposed to make him look like he's doing the right thing? It's one thing if Chris had made this offer to ALL the affiliates, then yea I can see an attempt has been made to make things right and maybe more people would be on their side of the fences, but not once since all this happened he's made a public statement with that offer, as matter of fact when asked how was xclusive cash terminated... "humm we took off the html pages?" WTF where's the press release for that? I didn't know that's how programs are terminated these days.. screw you and your existing codes, it's gone see ya!

That was in response to Gonzo's statement:

Originally Posted by gonzo
Even AFF is smart enough to pay off some webmasters but I cant even begin how to fathom the logic of not paying your promo partners or thinking that anyone will ever promote them again.

But, you wouldn't be you in this matter if you weren't taking shit out of context.

Must be that honest streak you have

[Jace]

so now he is a thief because he returned what he was ASKED to return and nothing more? ROFL

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

Anytime there's a problem with a sponsor program, the primary response for any responsible program owner is to make sure the affiliates link codes, payments are not compromised. Hell I get letter from sponsor programs when payments are late... and to think this has been going on for over a year and it's not their primary concern?

Most sponsor problems have not been revealed to the program through a phone call to the program owner while they are driving home from a show by someone like Albright telling them he is going to start crediting a bunch of people for a problem that the owner was for all intents and purposes not aware of.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

so now he is a thief because he returned what he was ASKED to return and nothing more? ROFL

Who called him a thief?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Most sponsor problems have not been revealed to the program through a phone call to the program owner while they are driving home from a show by someone like Albright telling them he is going to start crediting a bunch of people for a problem that the owner was for all intents and purposes not aware of.

Really what program does he own? 'someone like Albright' meaning what? Did Albright say he was gonna start crediting bunch of people?.. wow didn't know you were in the conversation... so who's taking shit out of context now?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

so back to your original question.. what is your personal stake in all this? "if he is on the side of the truth, then he should not be so one sided about it" which side are you on lol

I am on neither side. I have read the deops, I have gone back and reviewed threads on GFY.

I find Chris and Tracy to be believeable. I find Blake to be less believable but not to the point of criminal and my opinion of Charles what's his face is quite low.

Haven't seen what Albright has to say beyond his posts. I find it very hard to believe that he did his postings to protect TMM or affiliates. He did his post (imho) because Chris told him to fuck off on the phone. He took what could have been resolved privately and threw it up on the boards and basically torpedoed someone elses's program over his own ego.

I don't think Chris and Tracy's non-solution to the problem is the best one but they are locked out of the program and can only get back in if they do it TMM's way which is bullshit.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

Really what program does he own? 'someone like Albright' meaning what? Did Albright say he was gonna start crediting bunch of people?.. wow didn't know you were in the conversation... so who's taking shit out of context now?

That is from the deposition, I think Chris's.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

He did his post (imho) because Chris told him to fuck off on the phone.

So that's how you respond when you have nothing to hide, rather then.. I'm on the road, lets chat when I get back...

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I don't think Chris and Tracy's non-solution to the problem is the best one but they are locked out of the program and can only get back in if they do it TMM's way which is bullshit.

How many time has TMM offered to unlock admin for them to get that resolved. But instead they get a noticed from NRM not to contact them directly?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

How many time has TMM offered to unlock admin for them to get that resolved. But instead they get a noticed from NRM not to contact them directly?

Once you get lawyers involved it all goes to hell, you know that. And the lawyers were involved as soon as Albright's post went up.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

So that's how you respond when you have nothing to hide, rather then.. I'm on the road, lets chat when I get back...

If the caller hits me wrong, hell yes. And you know that you would too.

If you had no knowledge of an issue and out of the blue someone calls and is nasty with you, are you friendly or pissed? Let's just say it's a bill collector. They call and say, hey, you owe $5000 on your visa, what you gonna do about it? But as far as you know, the visa has been paid on time, you gonna guarantee to be friendly with that guy? And fucking be honest about it.

[sarettah]

Chirs's version of the phonecall:

[Sexyteaser]

Do you think there is traceable revenue on the stolen email addresses from the security leak?

Do you think that we will find that traffic, spam, re-directs are found on a adult site owned or operated by a TMM owner/employee?

Is there a potential class action law suit by customers who's email addresses were compromised and were not informed of this theft as soon as TMM became aware of it?

How many customers had a increase of spam or malware after signing up under a site managed by TMM and is there some relevancy connecting the two?

There has been new legal complaints filed daily on spam and malware across the country; this case is in Federal Court I don't think the case will go under the radar and the exposure and answers to the above questions will get answered.

Anyone know who the John/Jane Does are?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Do you think there is traceable revenue on the stolen email addresses from the security leak?

Do you think that we will find that traffic, spam, re-directs are found on a adult site owned or operated by a TMM owner/employee?

Is there a potential class action law suit by customers who's email addresses were compromised and were not informed of this theft as soon as TMM became aware of it?

How many customers had a increase of spam or malware after signing up under a site managed by TMM and is there some relevancy connecting the two?

There has been new legal complaints filed daily on spam and malware across the country; this case is in Federal Court I don't think the case will go under the radar and the exposure and answers to the above questions will get answered.

Anyone know who the John/Jane Does are?

You are an idiot

[Jace]

btw, since the suit is about defamation, what in the original post was false exactly?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

If the caller hits me wrong, hell yes. And you know that you would too.

If you had no knowledge of an issue and out of the blue someone calls and is nasty with you, are you friendly or pissed? Let's just say it's a bill collector. They call and say, hey, you owe $5000 on your visa, what you gonna do about it? But as far as you know, the visa has been paid on time, you gonna guarantee to be friendly with that guy? And fucking be honest about it.

I would get to the bottom of whatever the issue was, especially if it meant me owing people money...i HATE owing people money

[sarettah]

Charles(TMM) version of the phone call

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

btw, since the suit is about defamation, what in the original post was false exactly?

I don't know. I think they were stupid to go with defamation myself.

But, filing a stupid lawsuit does not make them dishonest.

Btw, early on in this thread, you say:

well, since chris and brandi already have the reputation they do, and with what they did in the past to others in this industry, I, personally, could never trust or believe anything they say or do

What past deeds are these that you are talking about?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

I would get to the bottom of whatever the issue was, especially if it meant me owing people money...i HATE owing people money

Oh, ok. Yes, you are the level headed one aren't you? So, you wouldn't go off on someone accusing you of something?

Right.



All those that believe that, I got a bridge you might be interested in.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

What past deeds are these that you are talking about?

that will just have to come out in time, I am not going to throw accusations around when those deeds didn't happen to me first hand, but I have seen first hand 3-4 times what their actions have done to others, and it isn't pretty

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Oh, ok. Yes, you are the level headed one aren't you? So, you wouldn't go off on someone accusing you of something?

Right.



All those that believe that, I got a bridge you might be interested in.

actually, no, i wouldn't...I am a mediator by nature, very peaceful in fact

chris is known to be hot headed by nature

i am no where on the same level as him as far as tempers go

[Sexyteaser]

defamation is not an after thought...

This is taken from the filed complaint

NATS Case Files
03.18.2008 | SECOND AMENDED AND SUPPLEMENTAL COMPLAINT:
(“Plaintiffs”) for their First Supplemental and Amended Complaint (the “FSAC”), brings this hybrid action against defendants Too Much Media, LLC, John Albright, and Charles Berrebbi, Fred Schank and John Does 1-30, on knowledge as to Plaintiffs and their own acts, and as to other matters on information and belief, on behalf of NR Media, LLC and the proposed class defined herein, and in support thereof alleges the following...

... Moreover, not only were the TMM Defendants aware that TMM’s security had been breached and the NATS program is otherwise defective, upon information and belief, they intentionally concealed those facts from the public, including particularly NRM and all members of the Class. Upon information and belief, in furtherance of their efforts to suppress the truth concerning TMM and NATS’s security vulnerabilities and breaches, the TMM Defendants applied financial pressure to those who would criticize TMM and NATS by threatening to withdraw advertising revenues and/or to bring litigation. Moreover, TMM’s pledge to terminate NATS services to any Affiliate Program it determines has engaged in shaving is a cudgel by which the TMM Defendants are able to stifle open and honest discussion concerning TMM and NATS. TMM’s NATS-based information processing services are critical to the Affiliate Programs operated by NRM and all members of the Class who have contracted with TMM to provide same. If deprived of such services, the Affiliate Programs that rely upon NATS would be rendered inoperable. Further, upon information and belief, all of TMM’s agreements to provide information processing services are oral; as such, Sponsors who have entered into agreements with TMM for NATS-based information processing services have no reasonable means of ascertaining the true scope of their legal rights. As a result of the dependency of NATS-supported Affiliate Programs upon TMM to provide the NATS based information processing services for which they have contracted,, as well as the vagueness of the their contractual relationship with TMM, the Sponsors of such Affiliate Programs are able to risk having the TMM Defendants carry out their standing threat to terminate services to any Affiliate Programs that it has determined, in said defendants’ sole discretion, to have engaged in shaving....

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

that will just have to come out in time, I am not going to throw accusations around when those deeds didn't happen to me first hand, but I have seen first hand 3-4 times what their actions have done to others, and it isn't pretty

Casting dispersions. You seem to like to do that quite a bit, don't you?

If you aren't gonna back them up, don't voice em in the first place.

That is the way scumsuckers and lawyers deal.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

actually, no, i wouldn't...I am a mediator by nature, very peaceful in fact

You wouldn't know that by the way you act on the boards.

[Sexyteaser]

These are the points in the case which brought me to ask the questions above for which Sarettah calls me an idiot.

179. A violation of the ITPA requires that the business restore any moneys or
property unlawfully acquired as a result of the breach to the Customer, and imposes a civil penalty of $10,000.00 for the first offense, and $20,000.00 for each subsequent offense.
N.J.S.A. § 56:8-163 et seq.

180. As hereinabove alleged, NATS system was defective and/or intentionally
designed to include Security Vulnerabilities.

181. As a result of such Security Vulnerabilities, upon information and belief,
NRM and each Class member’s computer servers have been invaded and the security of the Personal Information, as defined by the ITPA, contained on and/or transferred through such servers was breached.

182. Upon information an belief, that with respect to Affiliate Programs that
continue to use NATS, such breach is on-going.

183. As evidenced by the TMM Defendants December 2007 statement published on the GFY Board, the TMM Defendants are aware that the security of the Personal Information, as defined by the ITPA, contained on and/or transferred through the servers of NATS users was breached.

184. Upon information an belief, the TMM Defendants are aware that the security of the Personal Information maintained and/or transferred through the servers of Affiliate Programs that continue to use NATS, continues to be breached.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

You wouldn't know that by the way you act on the boards.

could have fooled me. in fact just last week 2 people approached me and spoke up about how chill I have been on the boards lately, a much more "peaceful and fun guy"...it has gained me more business and connections in the past year than I could ever hope for, so I know I am doing something right...when I was a huge ass on the boards I had a hard time getting work from friends, now it is the exact opposite, I work for some of the largest programs on the block, talk to everyone from small affiliates to program owners on a daily basis, and can barely keep up with all the work I have

oprano is a different matter, most know me personally here and I feel I can let loose and banter a little harder than other boards, but when the day is done, everyone knows I am about business and money, period

but please show me on other boards where I am offending people or speaking rudely, I have made a VERY conscious effort the past year or 2 to not be that way, and if you can find me anyone that I have offended or been an ass to and they took it seriously, I will apologize to them right away

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

[font=TimesNewRoman][left]These are the points in the case which brought me to ask the questions above for which Sarettah calls me an idiot.

No, I called you an idiot because you are an idiot.

The current conversation is pretty much Chris and Tracy's credibility versus Blake's credibility versus TMM's credibility and really has nothing to do with the legfal ramifications of the suit in regards to the rest of the adult industry.


Basically Jace is standing by Blake and Amy because they are friends (fair enough) but is the same time castinf dispersions on Chris and Tracy without backing them up.

That is where we are at at this point, have something to contribute? Go for it. Have nothing, then shut up.

Thanx in advance

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

could have fooled me. in fact just last week 2 people approached me and spoke up about how chill I have been on the boards lately, a much more "peaceful and fun guy"...it has gained me more business and connections in the past year than I could ever hope for, so I know I am doing something right...when I was a huge ass on the boards I had a hard time getting work from friends, now it is the exact opposite, I work for some of the largest programs on the block, talk to everyone from small affiliates to program owners on a daily basis, and can barely keep up with all the work I have

That may be true, but as you yourself admit right there, it has not always been that way.

So because someone handlesd something the way "Old Jace" would have, they are wrong wrong wrong. Oh wait, all this stuff we are talking about happened 2-3 years ago, so maybe some of those people would handle it differently today too.

But no, only Jace is allowed to change his ways..er, oops I forgot, only Jace and his friends are allowed to fuck up and not be beat down for it.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Anyone know who the John/Jane Does are?

03.18.2008 | SECOND AMENDED AND SUPPLEMENTAL COMPLAINT:
(“Plaintiffs”) for their First Supplemental and Amended Complaint (the “FSAC”), brings this hybrid action against defendants Too Much Media, LLC, John Albright, and Charles Berrebbi, Fred Schank and John Does 1-30, on knowledge as to Plaintiffs and their own acts, and as to other matters on information and belief, on behalf of NR Media, LLC and the proposed class defined herein, and in support thereof alleges the following...

Jace,

Do you know who the John Does are? It says 1-30 and this is a small tight industry... any idea?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

That may be true, but as you yourself admit right there, it has not always been that way.

So because someone handlesd something the way "Old Jace" would have, they are wrong wrong wrong. Oh wait, all this stuff we are talking about happened 2-3 years ago, so maybe some of those people would handle it differently today too.

But no, only Jace is allowed to change his ways..er, oops I forgot, only Jace and his friends are allowed to fuck up and not be beat down for it.

did I say that? stop putting words in my mouth

yes, the way I handled shit back then was WRONG, horribly wrong, I offended people and was a total fucking dick, and YES it is wrong

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Jace,

Do you know who the John Does are? It says 1-30 and this is a small tight industry... any idea?

is that for the class action? I would venture to guess no one will know for a while, if there are any at all, haha....j/k

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Basically Jace is standing by Blake and Amy because they are friends (fair enough) but is the same time castinf dispersions on Chris and Tracy without backing them up.

fair enough, stay on the side where affilaites don't get paid.. and I'll stay on the side fighting for affilaites to get paid

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

fair enough, stay on the side where affilaites don't get paid.. and I'll stay on the side fighting for affilaites to get paid

Lolol... when the facts don't present themselves, make them up right?

I am on no side in this. But, that wouldn't set well with you to recognize that some of us are after the real truth and not what some friends fed us.

Back to your allegations against Chris and Tracy though. You say that you don't want to make accusations, but you have already made them by what you've said.

So, again, you gonna back up what you say or continue to just throw innuendo around?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Lolol... when the facts don't present themselves, make them up right?

I am on no side in this. But, that wouldn't set well with you to recognize that some of us are after the real truth and not what some friends fed us.

Back to your allegations against Chris and Tracy though. You say that you don't want to make accusations, but you have already made them by what you've said.

So, again, you gonna back up what you say or continue to just throw innuendo around?

please tell me what exactly I made up in this thread

exact examples please

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

So, again, you gonna back up what you say or continue to just throw innuendo around?

wil76...i mean sarettah, I have no interest in bringing outside parties into this if they don't want to be brought in, just to appease some old fart with nothing better to do than argue about shit he has absolutely no interest in