PORN IS DEAD!

[Nickatilynx]

Fess up , the money is not there anymore and it pretty much bores us ALL to tears.

I'm just sitting round trying shit , waiting for the next big thing...


Feel free to discuss....


;-))

[cj]

>I'm just sitting round trying shit , waiting for the next big thing...

That's what I did for 2 years

No point throwing money into something or using up your ideas on the same old crap.

"The next big thing" was your pharmacy - it might not be porn, but the technique for selling is the same whatever the widget

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 16 2004, 06:55 PM
>I'm just sitting round trying shit , waiting for the next big thing...

That's what I did for 2 years

No point throwing money into something or using up your ideas on the same old crap.

"The next big thing" was your pharmacy - it might not be porn, but the technique for selling is the same whatever the widget
very very true....

Now I have my own Doc ,Pharma ( and a back up pair waiting in the wings ) plus I'll also pay everyone that hits it at the end of....hmmmm 3 days...fuck I might even pay daily.ICQ me...and yeah...bp , processing...blah blah...got them ;)

But ITS not the next big thing......

I don't know what the "NEXT BIG THING" is...but there is one ;)

I can smell it...can't see it or touch it yet...but it IS out there...just round the corner

[Rolo]

Well - not according to TGP owners, business has never been better :awinky:

But yes, net porn is dead in the form we knew it... now it will be dog eat dog - anyone looking to cashing let me know.

But there are still good ideas on the net, which are just starting - I know a guy who spend less than 30K on a new idea in mainstream 6 months ago, and today its doing 80-100K per month - so the insane profits are still there - just not in porn.

[Peaches]

ANY "next big thing" sold on the internet has a short self life these days. We've seen it happen with all the flavors of porn. But if you hit while it's hot, you have the capital to hit the next one :)

A friend of mine who used to be in porn got out a few years ago. He started with cell phones, hit big, they started dying down. Went to credit cards. Hit big, died down. Next up, health insurance. Then mortgages. Right now he's doing payday loans. Once they die down, he'll do what he did with the others - keep them on the back burner so they still bring in sales, but focus on the "next big thing". :awinky:

Being adaptable on the internet is imperative.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Rolo@Jul 16 2004, 07:28 PM
Well - not according to TGP owners, business has never been better :awinky:

But yes, net porn is dead in the form we knew it... now it will be dog eat dog - anyone looking to cashing let me know.

But there are still good ideas on the net, which are just starting - I know a guy who spend less than 30K on a new idea in mainstream 6 months ago, and today its doing 80-100K per month - so the insane profits are still there - just not in porn.
EXACTLY!!!!!

TGP owners the big ones...(with only TGPs thats is) I bet do not make net , net 30k pm

Shit.....

whoopdeefuckingdoo ;-))

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jul 16 2004, 07:34 PM
ANY "next big thing" sold on the internet has a short self life these days. We've seen it happen with all the flavors of porn. But if you hit while it's hot, you have the capital to hit the next one :)

A friend of mine who used to be in porn got out a few years ago. He started with cell phones, hit big, they started dying down. Went to credit cards. Hit big, died down. Next up, health insurance. Then mortgages. Right now he's doing payday loans. Once they die down, he'll do what he did with the others - keep them on the back burner so they still bring in sales, but focus on the "next big thing". :awinky:

Being adaptable on the internet is imperative.
I know now one thing about your friend.....

He's a spammer!!!!! LOL

The only people who can change targeted traffic that fast , are ;-)))

....not that there WAS anything wrong with that ;-)))

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 16 2004, 11:37 PM
I know now one thing about your friend.....

He's a spammer!!!!! LOL

The only people who can change targeted traffic that fast , are ;-)))

....not that there WAS anything wrong with that ;-)))
That's possible, but I keep good secrets...... :okthumb:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 16 2004, 07:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 16 2004, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jul 16 2004, 11:37 PM
I know now one thing about your friend.....

He's a spammer!!!!! LOL

The only people who can change targeted traffic that fast , are ;-)))

....not that there WAS anything wrong with that ;-)))
That's possible, but I keep good secrets...... :okthumb: [/b][/quote]
Spamming....

the fastest dieing business on the net.




unless you are dumb....or very very small.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 16 2004, 11:41 PM
Spamming....

the fastest dieing business on the net.




unless you are dumb....or very very small.
Then those doing it will learn to adapt in order to continue to be successful - my original point :)

Personally I wish he'd take the money he's already made and retire, but no one listens to me :awinky:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 16 2004, 07:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 16 2004, 07:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jul 16 2004, 11:41 PM
Spamming....

the fastest dieing business on the net.




unless you are dumb....or very very small.
Then those doing it will learn to adapt in order to continue to be successful - my original point :)

Personally I wish he'd take the money he's already made and retire, but no one listens to me :awinky: [/b][/quote]
peaches....

adapt ??????

to the new spam laws...hmmmmm

Canspam mailing. ahahahahahahahah
Filters pick up the fact you have to put certain words in your mail...you are blocked.
Every host WILL pull you cause of the complaints.
If you are a host and will let me mail from your network (totally Canspam legal) post here.

that leaves you to do...naughty mailing...so
Move the hell to some country
Stay under the radar
spend your life searching for proxies
try and make sure your proxies aren't honey traps
hope you get paid etc etc....
or send toolbars that open up mail relays and go to jail.


No...the answer is finding "THE NEXT BIG THING"

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jul 16 2004, 07:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jul 16 2004, 07:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Jul 16 2004, 06:55 PM
>I'm just sitting round trying shit , waiting for the next big thing...

That's what I did for 2 years

No point throwing money into something or using up your ideas on the same old crap.

"The next big thing" was your pharmacy - it might not be porn, but the technique for selling is the same whatever the widget
very very true....

Now I have my own Doc ,Pharma ( and a back up pair waiting in the wings ) plus I'll also pay everyone that hits it at the end of....hmmmm 3 days...fuck I might even pay daily.ICQ me...and yeah...bp , processing...blah blah...got them ;)

But ITS not the next big thing......

I don't know what the "NEXT BIG THING" is...but there is one ;)

I can smell it...can't see it or touch it yet...but it IS out there...just round the corner [/b][/quote]
I may know one or two things that might.












CJ, your smart with the licensed Celeb pics.


two days ago www.wireimage.com went after all the message boards that post their celeb copyrighted pics. well guess what, they ownm 90% of all HQ digital celebs pics online. all those HQ celeb pics you see online are soon all gonna to vanish :D

gotta pay to see them is what their gonna do :matey:















ps: Nick I would like to learn more about te pharma thing

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 16 2004, 11:56 PM
No...the answer is finding "THE NEXT BIG THING"
THAT'S MY POINT, you adapt AWAY from something that's dead or dying. In your examples, that would be spam :awinky:

There will aways be ways to make money off the internet, but as we've seen just over the past 5 years, it's a constantly evolving thing.

You just have to be one the first ones TO the "next new thing" :okthumb:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 16 2004, 08:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 16 2004, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jul 16 2004, 11:56 PM
No...the answer is finding "THE NEXT BIG THING"
THAT'S MY POINT, you adapt AWAY from something that's dead or dying. In your examples, that would be spam :awinky:

There will aways be ways to make money off the internet, but as we've seen just over the past 5 years, it's a constantly evolving thing.

You just have to be one the first ones TO the "next new thing" :okthumb: [/b][/quote]
My first post ever on YNOT was called "Internet Darwinism"....spouting sortof what you are saying

However...

Peaches with the exception of the crocodile...

Dinosaurs did not evolve...

they died.


;-))))


The sky isn't falling...but fuck me , its getting cold ;-))))

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jul 16 2004, 07:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jul 16 2004, 07:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Jul 16 2004, 06:55 PM
>I'm just sitting round trying shit , waiting for the next big thing...

That's what I did for 2 years

No point throwing money into something or using up your ideas on the same old crap.

"The next big thing" was your pharmacy - it might not be porn, but the technique for selling is the same whatever the widget
very very true....

Now I have my own Doc ,Pharma ( and a back up pair waiting in the wings ) plus I'll also pay everyone that hits it at the end of....hmmmm 3 days...fuck I might even pay daily.ICQ me...and yeah...bp , processing...blah blah...got them ;)

But ITS not the next big thing......

I don't know what the "NEXT BIG THING" is...but there is one ;)

I can smell it...can't see it or touch it yet...but it IS out there...just round the corner [/b][/quote]
Hey Nick, I would like to run a legal pharmacie from my 420calendar site, is that something you have?

[Vick]

Nick - can I ask?

Are you looking for what to promote or looking for what there is a want/need for and then selling that ?

What's going to be the product to promote/sell if interest rates rise?
If the US hits a recession again?
If oil prices rise again? (I'm looking for easy fear sales)

What is the new tech everyone will be on?
What do people need, more importantly what do people want?

Patent business doesn't look too bad

I certainly don't have the answer but agree
Porn is dead (if not it's certainly on life support) and boring

[slavdogg]

porn is borring
its now only 60% of our biz and falling and w're on our way to another record year..

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by masterp74@Jul 16 2004, 10:59 PM
two days ago www.wireimage.com went after all the message boards that post their celeb copyrighted pics. well guess what, they ownm 90% of all HQ digital celebs pics online. all those HQ celeb pics you see online are soon all gonna to vanish :D

gotta pay to see them is what their gonna do :matey:
NICE, and they will pay for celeb pics
i remember when celeb sites would outsell anything else on the market and it wasnt that long ago.

[cj]

Originally posted by slavdogg+Jul 17 2004, 02:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavdogg @ Jul 17 2004, 02:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-masterp74@Jul 16 2004, 10:59 PM
two days ago www.wireimage.com went after all the message boards that post their celeb copyrighted pics. well guess what, they ownm 90% of all HQ digital celebs pics online. all those HQ celeb pics you see online are soon all gonna to vanish :D

gotta pay to see them is what their gonna do :matey:
NICE, and they will pay for celeb pics
i remember when celeb sites would outsell anything else on the market and it wasnt that long ago. [/b][/quote]
that's how it should be

the print companies have to pay a fortune for those same and customers have to pay to buy a magazine to see 100 pics

masterp, where are you getting your information from?

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jul 16 2004, 07:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jul 16 2004, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rolo@Jul 16 2004, 07:28 PM
Well - not according to TGP owners, business has never been better :awinky:

But yes, net porn is dead in the form we knew it... now it will be dog eat dog - anyone looking to cashing let me know.

But there are still good ideas on the net, which are just starting - I know a guy who spend less than 30K on a new idea in mainstream 6 months ago, and today its doing 80-100K per month - so the insane profits are still there - just not in porn.
EXACTLY!!!!!

TGP owners the big ones...(with only TGPs thats is) I bet do not make net , net 30k pm

Shit.....

whoopdeefuckingdoo ;-)) [/b][/quote]
I think you might be amazed, Nick.

[masterp74]

Originally posted by cj+Jul 17 2004, 03:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jul 17 2004, 03:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by slavdogg@Jul 17 2004, 02:08 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-masterp74@Jul 16 2004, 10:59 PM
two days ago www.wireimage.com went after all the message boards that post their celeb copyrighted pics. well guess what, they ownm 90% of all HQ digital celebs pics online. all those HQ celeb pics you see online are soon all gonna to vanish :D

gotta pay to see them is what their gonna do :matey:
NICE, and they will pay for celeb pics
i remember when celeb sites would outsell anything else on the market and it wasnt that long ago.
that's how it should be

the print companies have to pay a fortune for those same and customers have to pay to buy a magazine to see 100 pics

masterp, where are you getting your information from? [/b][/quote]

CJ, this is breaking news and it's still very early. No one knows yet . I already read about 10 big scan pic sites closing and the celeb fan sites too.






http://forum.celebworld.ws/

this is the biggest board for posting HQ images. I have seen in the last 2 days traffic drop of more than half and getting slower by the hour.



if you don't want to sign up at the board here is the jist of it.


Every forum there has this at the top



Important! Do not upload or post any Capital Pictures' or MediaVast's copyright photographs!
Upon request please do not upload or post any Capital Pictures' (www.capitalpictures.com) or MediaVast's (www.wireimage.com, www.filmmagic.com, www.contourphotos.com) copyright photographs.***these companies own every celeb photo out there****

If you think that there are any posted here please report the thread to get them removed as soon as possible.

Thanks for your help.


here are a few threads.


http://forum.celebworld.ws/showthread.php?t=68694

NEROSCAN Closed


Just wanted to check the site againb, but for some "copyright reason", NEROSCAN has closed his site ...
I give myself up, this site was great ...
So, no more new Neroscans here ...
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It was an Italian site. I hope this forum will not end in the same way

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well, thats life, they're hunting down everyone... warez people, people that scan... although i think that shutting down scanners sites is just ridicolous, its not like less people would by the mag... whatever...

i bet that wont be the last one, and its easy for companies to find scanners sites...
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That sucks, that was one of the best scans site out there.
www.theduro.com had to close his also. Damn now i'm sad.
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http://forum.celebworld.ws/showthread.php?t=66148
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Photo Agencies

I was just having a quick nosey over @ sweetkisses.net & they are yet another & one of the latest websites hit by photo agencies to have HQ's taken down. I guess it dosen't pay to be a be a big popular website right now.
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Well, I guessed their wouldn't be replies to this either because people don't really care or have nothing to say...............BUT, here is food for thought....Have Any of you ever stopped to think about what would happen if or when Celebworld gets hit by these agencies????? The impact towards a site for this will be phenominal because lest face it 90% of the memebers here are only after the HQ agency pics.

Any response to this??????????????
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ou know - all the imagebanks that has these HQ's on them - there alll have somewhere, copyright not to be re plublished. putting a picture on a site/board is publishing it. my fan sites got attacked by a fair few image companys. i just now posts dvd caps, scans and movie stills/promos on my websites. i mean you can still get into shit, but a lot less, and it's not as often I hear of people getting in trouble for scans (RIP sym.org :-/)

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My site was hit last week from agencies representing specific photographers! So we've 'banned' any studio portraits that haven't been published yet. (Of course, it's the unpublished ones we're interested in.)

I feel an active underground emerging...
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http://forum.celebworld.ws/showthread.php?t=68380




I guess the responsible members of this forum changed the name since HQ images from bigger (celebrity-) image agencies are not allowed to be posted anymore due to copyright restrictions.


Although we should be grateful because celebworld.ws is (probably) not going to be closed ( ), I think this is very sad, because those agencies mentioned in the announcement were not minor sources for this forum (I guess, but I neither know Capital nor MediaVast image base, not even visited them and now never won't )


does anyone know other HQ boards handling mostly/also celeb images and with 1000+ members?
I don't care the language but it should be free.
If u do then PM me, dont't post it, I'll pm u back ...

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i've seen other boards have been asked to remove all the HQ pics because they dont know which pics come from which companies! :\

is that going to happen here aswell?

and for future posts, if the poster doesnt say what company the pics came from, then how will the mods know to delete or not?


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dainews.nu just got the death knell today. he's even taking down scans. :cries:
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[masterp74]

Not sure if everybody knows but there's a current RIAA-ish crackdown on hi res images on the net right now. So hi res pics might probably be a little harder to come by.

See, one of the best sources for hi res pics (dainews.nu) was hit with a copyright infringement notice from lawyers.

Apparently this all started when some eBay user was selling some Jessica Alba photos with the Dai watermark removed in an auction. A member on Dai's site decided to bid on a pic and then back out at the last minute - questioning the legitimacy of the work. Whoever the seller was is also a member at Dai's site because the guy that bid on the pic outed the seller in an e-mail by their screen name. The seller then had all his auctions terminated when the good samaritan reported him. The seller then reported Dainews to the company that legally owns these hi res pic so as to kill source material from getting on Dainews.

It was MediaVast that issued out the cease and desist letter. Mediavast is also affiliated with WireImage, FilmMagic, Contour Photos and WireImageSTOCK. All sources of hi res pictures on the net.

MediaVast is also slowly going after other sites that are distributing these hi res pics. See, they don't want people sharing these hi res pics anymore. At least not for free. And definitely not for a price on any other site besides their own.

WireImage, for example, charges something like $79.95/month for access to their entire archive of pics. By having other people share those hi res pics outside of their site, they're pretty much losing money that way.

Take a look at the message Desperado put on his site:

"As of today, this site will no longer offer HQ type pictures. There are too many potential problems going on these days, and we do not need them. This site is free; let's keep it that way. From this point on only caps, collages, scans, etc. will fill these pages.

Remember, unless it is a vidcap or some other non HQ image, it will no longer appear on this site."

So what does this all mean? Well, as you all probably know, i LOVE posting hi res pics. I don't know if i'll still be posting them up as much, seeing as to how they *might* be harder to find, but i also wouldn't want any trouble from lawyers and crap. Not that they would ever come for me but hey, you never know.

Anyhow, it's still too early to tell what's gonna happen. Maybe things'll change, maybe they won't. We'll just have to see. After all, people are still sharing MP3's like crazy aren't they?

[cj]

MasterP, yes people are still sharing mp3's like crazy ...

but have you tried to download a new release lately? there's 1 actual quality file for every 50 fake's, edits, half songs etc. If I want something new, I buy it because its not worth $20 to try to find it. The only time I use file sharing programs now is every few months to get limited edition and live recorded style stuff ...

If you make something difficult enough, people will pay for an easier alternative.

And you can promote that easy alternative by clicking the banner below *wink*

[Jim]

C'mon guys...it is all about MARKET SHARE...the bigger your share...the more $$$
porn is not dead and will never be....emailing is not dead...nor will it ever be....

"relationship" marketing is still going strong....maybe the numbers have dropped but hell...compare it to any other form of advertising to the same # of folks and see what you get...

If a customer wants your email...they will be able to get it.....we have a new program that is doing just fine..AOL,Yahoo,hotmail...etc...can spam compliant.

It requires a lot more work..but it is still effective.....just launched a new porn site....
numbers are not as great as in 99 but it still turns a profit.....

you just cannot cut corners anymore for the "easy buck"....

On that note....i am buying traffic ;-)

[Sharpie]

I agree totally Nick.... that is why I sold all my sites last year. Dave & I have been involved in "the next big thing" for 18 years. For the first time - we can't see a 'next big thing that we are qualified to be involved in.

It all started with my computer store...... We sold all the early computer types: Vic 20, Commodore 64, Atari, Sanyo, Leading Edge & software for the TI and Color Computer. In the 80's it was profitable. People who couldn't afford Apple and IBM showed up in droves. That is how we got involved in shows. Taking trade-ins to hamfests & computer shows.

While at one of these shows in the early 90's we ran into someone who had some CD Roms & CDRom drives. For Dave, the technology was 'love at first sight. We took some on consignment & never looked back. We did shows all over the country with the technology. Everywhere we went we ran into someone who was a dealer & wanted to buy from us, or a producer who wanted us to distribute thier CD. If you had CDs (especially Adult) you could trade for anything you wanted. They were like inflated money. The retail profit margins were at least double what you paid for them, & the wholesale prices were $10 a CD over cost. Dealers bought 100 CDs of the same title at a time. By taking a booth at Comdex, CES, PC Expo and the such, we became known worldwide. We did a Tuesday night fax with all the new titles & I would be receiving orders within minutes of starting the fax. We eventually started representing all the biggies who then came into the market like Vivid & VCA. (who eventally overwhelmed the market by realeasing a million titles, and you could not sell titles in 100 lots anymore)

That is how we got into producing tradeshows in 1994 - when Comdex kicked all the Adult companies out. Since we already represented most of them - and were tradeshow veterans ourselves - we started AdultDex. Eventually stated Cybernet in 1998.

After searching for 'the next big thing for 2 years, - I guess the 'next big thing for me is retirement.... hahahhahha I have found that I actually enjoy slowing down, and not working every waking hour. But, if I stumbled on to 'that next big thing - that would probably change in a heartbeat:-)

[grimm]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 16 2004, 06:50 PM
Fess up , the money is not there anymore and it pretty much bores us ALL to tears.

I'm just sitting round trying shit , waiting for the next big thing...


Feel free to discuss....


;-))
i feel fine:)

[grimm]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jul 16 2004, 11:07 PM
porn is borring
its now only 60% of our biz and falling and w're on our way to another record year..
Same here. but a way smaller %. Porn is a pain in the ass. no pun intended;)

[grimm]

Originally posted by Vick@Jul 16 2004, 09:32 PM
Nick - can I ask?

Are you looking for what to promote or looking for what there is a want/need for and then selling that ?

What's going to be the product to promote/sell if interest rates rise?
If the US hits a recession again?
If oil prices rise again? (I'm looking for easy fear sales)

What is the new tech everyone will be on?
What do people need, more importantly what do people want?

Patent business doesn't look too bad

I certainly don't have the answer but agree
Porn is dead (if not it's certainly on life support) and boring
Im already on it;)

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jul 16 2004, 10:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jul 16 2004, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rolo@Jul 16 2004, 07:28 PM
Well - not according to TGP owners, business has never been better :awinky:

But yes, net porn is dead in the form we knew it... now it will be dog eat dog - anyone looking to cashing let me know.

But there are still good ideas on the net, which are just starting - I know a guy who spend less than 30K on a new idea in mainstream 6 months ago, and today its doing 80-100K per month - so the insane profits are still there - just not in porn.
EXACTLY!!!!!

TGP owners the big ones...(with only TGPs thats is) I bet do not make net , net 30k pm

Shit.....

whoopdeefuckingdoo ;-)) [/b][/quote]
While fucking up the whole porn business for everyone, just to make $30k pm seems ludicrous to most of us... you might feel differently if it was your $30k pm.

No matter what you do there will always be someone else willing to do it cheaper or able to do it better than you can. So the big TGP owners change their sites... so what?? there will just be someone else in line to pull the same shit to get those surfers and that $30k pm.


Sabby:)

[Sabby]

Porn is NOT dead yet!!! There's got to still be a few more ways left that we can kill it!



Sabby:)

[Nickatilynx]

ahahahahaha sabby! :)

R-n knows I've tried.

Anyone thats interested , the new pharma is converting faster than Lukeford did to Judaism. ;-)

Hit me up on 8042030 and we will hook you up on Monday.

You'll get your first paypal Thursday afternoon.

Can't sat fairer than that , can I :)

would like a few people here to try it and see how it works for you , shit make the results public here too :)

[Sabby]

I think its amazing that I can still get 4.99/minute on cam. And I dont give no free peeks or anything like that shit either. They know better than to start asking me for free peeks.

How can you not get money from a guy with a hardon???

If women ran the internet this shit would not have happened. You guys are not good at this game!

I think there should be a law, punishable by castration... no man is allowed to ever have an orgasm unless he buys a woman an expensive gift (for the lazy ones cash will be fine). And the ones that whine about it... they pay DOUBLE!!!

:yowsa:


Sabby:)

[TheEnforcer]

Ahh.. fuck it... had a bif spiel planned to write and just thought fuck it..

It's all Sabby's boobs fault, they distracted me! :P

[cj]

Originally posted by Sabby@Jul 17 2004, 07:18 PM
How can you not get money from a guy with a hardon???

If women ran the internet this shit would not have happened. You guys are not good at this game!
:wnw: :wnw: :wnw: LMAO

I've always thought how did we end up here giving so much porn for free, when guys with a hardon will do absolutely anything for a release ... its the easiest product in the world to sell ... but we trained our customers not to pay!!!!

[Rolo]

I've always thought how did we end up here giving so much porn for free, when guys with a hardon will do absolutely anything for a release

We - men - like to build things - especially our egos, and since some didn´t make enough $ to brag about it, than a unamed male webmaster started to brag about how many visitors he had, and then came counters, so everyone could take part in this quest for glory, and prove their manhood to each other... look mine is bigger than yours.

Yes, it was us - men - who killed the golden goose, so we could prove to each other that we were on top of all the world wankers - in the ultimate quest to be lord of the wankers! :matey:

[cj]

:biglaugh:

and while ya'all were wankin' alongside the punters the chicks were taking your money!!!! LOL

golden rule in this case .... don't get high on your own supply!!!!

[Vick]

Originally posted by Sabby@Jul 17 2004, 07:18 PM
I think its amazing that I can still get 4.99/minute on cam. And I dont give no free peeks or anything like that shit either. They know better than to start asking me for free peeks.

How can you not get money from a guy with a hardon???

If women ran the internet this shit would not have happened. You guys are not good at this game!

I think there should be a law, punishable by castration... no man is allowed to ever have an orgasm unless he buys a woman an expensive gift (for the lazy ones cash will be fine). And the ones that whine about it... they pay DOUBLE!!!

:yowsa:


Sabby:)
Excellent Sabby (I don't think it's amazing. Makes perfect sense to me)


except when it's personal - I turn it around (other men lack the intelligence and fortitude to do so)

Would be as soon as you want $$$ for orgasm ... fine but you're not getting off with another person until I get what ever I want :groucho:

It's a 2 way street


Ladies hold the aces
And their lovers call it passion
The men call it pleasure
But to me it's old fashioned

[Vick]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 17 2004, 08:22 PM
I've always thought how did we end up here giving so much porn for free, when guys with a hardon will do absolutely anything for a release ... its the easiest product in the world to sell ... but we trained our customers not to pay!!!!
Abso-fucking-lutely!!!!


and it's why I scream at the walls


But girls with a throbbing clit will go a ways as well

Turning them on and turing them down has always been more fun that just giving it up (in bars that is)



Edit - for spelling

[cj]

We call guys like you a clit tease!!!!!!

fuck, i can't believe that domain WAS available.

I like the guys who give it up in bars :okthumb: it saves letting them into your house *wink*

[Sabby]

Hahahaha Vick :) Business is never personal. I just thought this industry could use some good whoring lessons cause most of you suck, LOL.

I am a Cam Whore... and a damn good one, hehehe.

In real life though I am not one for head games or power struggles of any kind. I'm all about equality! As long as I always get my own way.

haha


Sabby:)

[SykkBoy]

Opening 50 sites of th sme old, boring generic bullshit content with the same plguins is dead...having 3 sets of a black model and calling it an ebony site is dead....bullshitting surfers is dead...

Oddly enough, I'm seeing the biggest growth in an area that almost seems in conflict bwith what seems to be killing the business...non-nude sites...that's right, sites where the models aren't even naked..all about the tease. The scene used to be full of scumbags and douchebags, but the underage modeling guys are gone from the scene now. The traffic from the NN TGP's isn't bad and conversions are great and these are all teaser galleries that "normal" TGP sites wouldn't even look at. Maybe it's a reaction to all of the extre porn and people are finally ready for some good old fashioned, well lit tease and softcore. Maybe it's the Maxim effect?

There also seems to be more of a trust factor where the the surfer actually trusts these sites and know they aren't going to get triple billed, buttfucked, ripped off and overall jacked. They also fall for these girls and stay longer.

Single girl amateur sites have always retained well and this new generation of non-nude/softcore sites continue that tradition.

Our best converting site, BustyAmatuerBoobs barely has any hardcore on it at all, yet, our conversions and retention is better than average, because we don't bullshit the surfer, we give them what we promise and oddly enough they love us for it and they even buy our upsells to other paysites because they TRUST us. We get emails every day from surfers who love what we're doing and like the fact we don't jack them around and give what we promise: amateurs with huge natural tits. They could give a shit about hardcore.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jul 19 2004, 04:11 PM
Opening 50 sites of th sme old, boring generic bullshit content with the same plguins is dead...having 3 sets of a black model and calling it an ebony site is dead....bullshitting surfers is dead...

Oddly enough, I'm seeing the biggest growth in an area that almost seems in conflict bwith what seems to be killing the business...non-nude sites...that's right, sites where the models aren't even naked..all about the tease. The scene used to be full of scumbags and douchebags, but the underage modeling guys are gone from the scene now. The traffic from the NN TGP's isn't bad and conversions are great and these are all teaser galleries that "normal" TGP sites wouldn't even look at. Maybe it's a reaction to all of the extre porn and people are finally ready for some good old fashioned, well lit tease and softcore. Maybe it's the Maxim effect?

There also seems to be more of a trust factor where the the surfer actually trusts these sites and know they aren't going to get triple billed, buttfucked, ripped off and overall jacked. They also fall for these girls and stay longer.

Single girl amateur sites have always retained well and this new generation of non-nude/softcore sites continue that tradition.

Our best converting site, BustyAmatuerBoobs barely has any hardcore on it at all, yet, our conversions and retention is better than average, because we don't bullshit the surfer, we give them what we promise and oddly enough they love us for it and they even buy our upsells to other paysites because they TRUST us. We get emails every day from surfers who love what we're doing and like the fact we don't jack them around and give what we promise: amateurs with huge natural tits. They could give a shit about hardcore.
I remember all of us talking about doing those non-nude sites but thinking "too risky".

[cj]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jul 19 2004, 07:11 PM
bullshitting surfers is dead...
really?

says who?

Plenty of companies still making a fortune off bullshitting surfers - and its not just in adult. Marketing is 10% bullshit 90% presentation of bullshit

We all seem to think that because something doesn't work for us anymore it doesn't work for anyone else ...

Look around, there will always be someone who makes money doing something different to you. Just because you can't figure it out, doesn't mean its dead.

If that were the case, tgp's would have been long gone because I can't for the life of me figure them out .....

[pushpills]

there's more people than ever spending money on pornography.

[Vick]

Originally posted by pushpills@Jul 19 2004, 11:15 PM
there's more people than ever spending money on pornography.
Name One??!! :P



and your Priest doesn't count

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jul 19 2004, 09:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jul 19 2004, 09:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SykkBoy@Jul 19 2004, 04:11 PM
Opening 50 sites of th sme old, boring generic bullshit content with the same plguins is dead...having 3 sets of a black model and calling it an ebony site is dead....bullshitting surfers is dead...

Oddly enough, I'm seeing the biggest growth in an area that almost seems in conflict bwith what seems to be killing the business...non-nude sites...that's right, sites where the models aren't even naked..all about the tease. The scene used to be full of scumbags and douchebags, but the underage modeling guys are gone from the scene now. The traffic from the NN TGP's isn't bad and conversions are great and these are all teaser galleries that "normal" TGP sites wouldn't even look at. Maybe it's a reaction to all of the extre porn and people are finally ready for some good old fashioned, well lit tease and softcore. Maybe it's the Maxim effect?

There also seems to be more of a trust factor where the the surfer actually trusts these sites and know they aren't going to get triple billed, buttfucked, ripped off and overall jacked. They also fall for these girls and stay longer.

Single girl amateur sites have always retained well and this new generation of non-nude/softcore sites continue that tradition.

Our best converting site, BustyAmatuerBoobs barely has any hardcore on it at all, yet, our conversions and retention is better than average, because we don't bullshit the surfer, we give them what we promise and oddly enough they love us for it and they even buy our upsells to other paysites because they TRUST us. We get emails every day from surfers who love what we're doing and like the fact we don't jack them around and give what we promise: amateurs with huge natural tits. They could give a shit about hardcore.
I remember all of us talking about doing those non-nude sites but thinking "too risky". [/b][/quote]
Yup, I remember those too
then, they got together and cleaned it up. I've not seen an underage modeling site on any of the major non-nude sites since the housecleaning...

I used to flinch at people giving away free hardcore, now I'm seeing a nice income from 18 year old girls who are actually smiling and most of them only go topless or don't get nude at all and their fanbase is just as rabid.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by cj+Jul 19 2004, 11:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jul 19 2004, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SykkBoy@Jul 19 2004, 07:11 PM
bullshitting surfers is dead...
really?

says who?

Plenty of companies still making a fortune off bullshitting surfers - and its not just in adult. Marketing is 10% bullshit 90% presentation of bullshit

We all seem to think that because something doesn't work for us anymore it doesn't work for anyone else ...

Look around, there will always be someone who makes money doing something different to you. Just because you can't figure it out, doesn't mean its dead.

If that were the case, tgp's would have been long gone because I can't for the life of me figure them out ..... [/b][/quote]
sorry, not dead, but limping

There's always going to be a fair amount of bullshit (it's part of the marketing concept), but the days of nothing but plugins for a back end (if that) will be dwinlding as well (and yes, I remember making money from those types of sites ;-))

Maybe I've had my eyes opened by seeing the results of our sites and some of the other sites coming out lately. Not just the reality sites, but sites where content is starting to matter. Where a surfer's trust is starting to matter.

I'm sure your celebrity sites are seeing it as well.

Dead may have been a strong word, but there are certainly signs of whimpering (the aggressive toolbars, etc. are proof the "old ways" aren't working the way they used to). While I'm sure Hooper's making a fortune jacking surfers, it screams of some parts ambition, other parts desperation....

[RawAlex]

Porn isn't dead - it is just a business model so diluted that it is hard to see profit. We all got drunk and stupid on 80 and 90% profit margins, and everyone and their cousin came to town to join in the sick little party. All those guests emptied out the bar and took the proft margin with them.

Too many choices for not enough new clients.

Alex

[cj]

Originally posted by pushpills@Jul 19 2004, 11:15 PM
there's more people than ever spending money on pornography.
and again I say ....

really? says who?

Where's the real data?

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Vick+Jul 19 2004, 10:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jul 19 2004, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Jul 19 2004, 11:15 PM
there's more people than ever spending money on pornography.
Name One??!! :P



and your Priest doesn't count [/b][/quote]
The dozens of signups I get per day.


The dollar seemed worth it to them, and with the internet advancements, there are more dipshit surfers every day. Granted, they were stupider years ago, but hey, you can complain, or you can do your best, no?


I've learned blaming never gets anyone anywhere. It's the bottom line that counts, right?

[eatapeach]

there is plenty of money in this business for anyone who wants to get it.

there's money enough for everyone, and plenty more besides.

[cj]

eatapeach, that all depends on your definition of 'plenty' ... I agree with you to an extent, but I've seen just *how much* was made during the gold rush ...

I think *less* money is being spent on porn these days, and there's 1000's (maybe tens of thousands?) more webmasters to share it with ...

If you were around in the days of 'build it and they will come AND pay' then its hard to be satisfied with making 1/100th of the amount while doing more work - even if you or I say its 'plenty' ...



Pushpills, as always, you miss the point. go straight to exit console and do not pass go.

[pushpills]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 20 2004, 02:36 AM

Pushpills, as always, you miss the point. go straight to exit console and do not pass go.
so the point is playing the blame game? lmk when your time machine is ready, i'll give it a spin.

[Jim]

If you were around in the days of 'build it and they will come AND pay' then its hard to be satisfied with making 1/100th of the amount while doing more work - even if you or I say its 'plenty' ...


But..Cj...you have to admit....it's still better than McDonalds!

[cj]

I wish I could find this pic I saw a while ago ... it was a tshirt and it said something like 'fries are done'!

I never got to work at mcdonalds Jim so I wouldn't know ... my parents refused to let me wash dishes in someone else's kitchen for $7 an hour when they couldn't get staff to do it for $20 :rolleyes:

[eatapeach]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 20 2004, 12:36 AM
If you were around in the days of 'build it and they will come AND pay' then its hard to be satisfied with making 1/100th of the amount while doing more work - even if you or I say its 'plenty' ...
i imagine a lot of the perception "porn is dead" is based on comparing the past to the present. i didn't make it to the game early enough, but i still made it.

i think it was maybe too easy before, in the sense that just by having a website you could make money. now you actually have to apply yourself and sell and provide value for the customers. the days of the average webmaster making money by pushing the generic porn sites with generic content are coming to a close.

for the webmaster who takes the time to provide a special product and market it as such will find that there is an enormous number of people who will trade their money for your product. find ways to create income from things that previously were expenses. they want to give you their money so let them.

it's hardly my place to preach to the oprano crowd, so i'll shut up now.

take it easy,
eatapeach

[Nickatilynx]

So porn is not dead...its just RESTING , mate !!



Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

(The owner does not respond.)

Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?

Owner: What do you mean "miss"?

Mr. Praline: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!

Owner: We're closin' for lunch.

Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this porn membershiop what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very site.

Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the cumguzzlingteenhos...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?

Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'pludin content, that's what's wrong with it!

Owner: No, no, its uh,...original exclusive content mate.

Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a bullshit site when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

Owner: No no its not bullshit , its exclusive content ! Remarkable site, the cumguzzlingteenhos, idn'it, ay? Great content!

Mr. Praline: The content don't enter into it. It's bullshit.

Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'Its original!

Mr.Praline: look I signed up and it said free mate

Owner: It IS Free!!! What you think TGPs wanna make money!!!




;-))))

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by eatapeach+Jul 20 2004, 12:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eatapeach @ Jul 20 2004, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Jul 20 2004, 12:36 AM
If you were around in the days of 'build it and they will come AND pay' then its hard to be satisfied with making 1/100th of the amount while doing more work - even if you or I say its 'plenty' ...
i imagine a lot of the perception "porn is dead" is based on comparing the past to the present. i didn't make it to the game early enough, but i still made it.

i think it was maybe too easy before, in the sense that just by having a website you could make money. now you actually have to apply yourself and sell and provide value for the customers. the days of the average webmaster making money by pushing the generic porn sites with generic content are coming to a close.

for the webmaster who takes the time to provide a special product and market it as such will find that there is an enormous number of people who will trade their money for your product. find ways to create income from things that previously were expenses. they want to give you their money so let them.

it's hardly my place to preach to the oprano crowd, so i'll shut up now.

take it easy,
eatapeach [/b][/quote]
I agree

The "goldrush" may be over, but that doesn't mean there aren't still nuggets. Look at what OxCash, LightSpeed, NastyDollars, SoulCash, etc. have done the last couple years. They barnstormed in and took over while everyone else was bellyaching about lower margins and no money left in the business.

Of course, now everyone has a DVD-rip site they call a "reality site". This isn't an industry of leaders. There are several in it who are, but by and large, most are followers.

Just because some actual work has to be applied, doesn't mean it's dead. It's just evolved like every industry before it and every industry afterwards. For years, I got lazy and let the "gold rush is over" mentality drag me down and ecome sort of a mental block to success. After seeing the effort some of these other young companies have put in, it rejuvenated me and gave me a kick in the ass.

[Vick]

Nick - :biglaugh:

[SykkBoy]

While they aren't exactly new, I see a lot of review sites popping up and we're loving the traffic from them. They will probably never grow to the size of TGP's, but these sub-1:100 ratios are nice to look at and the retention from them so far has been amazing. They don't spin the counters, but they fill the bank account just fine.

[Nickatilynx]

so it seems the board members are divided on many ways ....

Those that made millions in 98/99/00 are bored to tears by porn
Those that made thousands are still kicking it
Those that made millions are moving more towards nonadult
Those that made thousands are still kicking it
Those that made millions really don't care a fuck about the adult industry.
Those that made thousands love it and in the main would be involveds anyway for free.



;-))))

Fuck it where can I get a toolbar?


;-)))

[eatapeach]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 20 2004, 10:20 AM
Those that made thousands love it and in the main would be involveds anyway for free.
you know the old saying "do what you like for a living and you'll never work a day in your life" ?

maybe some of the richest among us have forgotten what it's like to get up every morning and go to a job you barely tolerate so you can pay the bills.

i'm no longer in that position but i remember it quite vividly. my worst day as an adult webmaster is better than my best day in any other job. the best part is the days just keep getting better. i feel like i'm getting over on the world by being paid to have a fucking ball.

and i'm not a mathematician, but you add enough thousands together and soon enough you have millions.

[gonzo]

This one was equally amusing from 3 years ago.

Happy Memorial day!

Hope all you millionaires are thrilled racing your Mustangs.

See sig!

[softball]

yeah that cat was a prescient mofo. A true business visionary. LMFAO

BTW, would you please activate the fucking go to last post feature.

[nastymed]

Porn is not dead and will never be
But paid porn is in a coma for the moment.
because there is too much free porn everywhere, lots of free tubes sites with shitload of content....

that's why we developed Debutantes.TV package : we provide porn because everyone wants to see porn, but we also provide non porn high quality content (videos, street fights, pc games, software, etc)

just my 2 cents though :)
click my sig to make money :yowsa:

[Rcourt64]

Nick - can I ask?

Are you looking for what to promote or looking for what there is a want/need for and then selling that ?

What's going to be the product to promote/sell if interest rates rise?
If the US hits a recession again?
If oil prices rise again? (I'm looking for easy fear sales)

What is the new tech everyone will be on?
What do people need, more importantly what do people want?

Patent business doesn't look too bad

I certainly don't have the answer but agree
Porn is dead (if not it's certainly on life support) and boring

Soo, Here we stand, Sir, :)
Pretty much exactly where your predicted statement stand 4 years later.
"Are you psychic or somethin'?"...:scratchin


Is anyone feeling sales dwindling due to the American oil recession yet?
U.S elections are approaching and the cost of living in many states are on such an increase with the price of fuel going over many American standards of living. :unsure:
Are your Internet sales feeling any of effects from this quoted U.S. American recession yet?
Are your sales "including re billers" Dropping? Staying steady? or Increasing?

[RawAlex]

Business rises and falls with the ability of the general public to pay for it. In that respect, porn isn't any different from movies, travel, restaurants, bars, and about 1000 other things that are discretionary spending rather than manditory / required spending (basic rent / heat / food deals).

However, porn is also at an additional cross roads, where things like tubes, torrents, and other forms of P2P style distribution have taken much of the content and put it into the wild, free as the birds. Very few programs / content companies seem willing to take steps with Google and other search engines to block these sites out (even though Google will gladly remove links to stolen content). As a result, porn has also suffered greatly from current product going stale at a much faster rate.

Finally, there is the use of porn as the "free" teaser to upsell people to dating sites, cam sites, and in many cases just to push viruses and rootkits onto end user's machines. The value of porn in the public eye I think is dropping pretty rapidly, and the guys laughing their way to the bank are guys like Legendary Liar and his group that basically profitted off of every possible method to abuse porn content to push their products.

The upsides?

A declining economy puts more girls (and guys) in the position to be willing to do porn for money. It will help to prime the pumps of new content, which hopefully should move things along again.

H.264 or whatever it is flash video is fucking awesome, delivering what could be a full screen TV resolution for many end users... which leads to the potential of people using TV to view videos from websites. The PPV video model is truly still in it's infancy as far as I can see.

As for Nick, honestly he wasn't psychic, just bored of what he was doing and trying to self justify getting out the door before it got slammed on his fingers.

[gonzo]

Having another record year personally.

[Toby]

Having another record year personally.

Ditto, but neither of us are sitting on his hands resting on past accomplishments.

[EmporerEJ]

When I was in the video business, I prayed to the cylon Gods for a strike, layoff, or failure of the local economy.
The more it happened.....the more porn I rented.
Idles hands and all..........

[Rcourt64]

Ditto, but neither of us are sitting on his hands resting on past accomplishments.
And why is that Toby?
How much accomplishment should an amatuer webmaster show in there time on-line with investment & hard work be evaluated in todays Internet market?

[bluemoney]

No money in porn, move along, nothing to see here folks.

[ali25extreme]

Fess up , the money is not there anymore and it pretty much bores us ALL to tears.

I'm just sitting round trying shit , waiting for the next big thing...


Feel free to discuss....


;-))

Waiting never accomplishes anything! Speak for yourself about being bored to tears...Sales have been way down but I am glad in a way..I have a hope that it will weed out some of the competition. It is time for a change in the industry and all of you guys and gals that are tired and bored. I thank you! It gives the younger generation a chance to move up and show what we can do!

[Toby]

How much accomplishment should an amatuer webmaster show in there time on-line with investment & hard work be evaluated in todays Internet market?
You keep looking for quantative and definitive answers for questions that do not have them.

On thing you should have figured out by now is that there is no set formula for success in this biz. You simply have to put it out there. See what works for you. Repeat and build upon those that do, drop those that don't.

If you're not comfortable with that, then don't give up your day job.

[Rcourt64]

You keep looking for quantative and definitive answers for questions that do not have them.

On thing you should have figured out by now is that there is no set formula for success in this biz. You simply have to put it out there. See what works for you. Repeat and build upon those that do, drop those that don't.

If you're not comfortable with that, then don't give up your day job.

Tell me something man...?
What did the past 10 years of upcoming webmaster/programmer throw out into this vast internet thats revolutionist the industry or even the internet?
Nobodies risked nothing when all they do is repeat the same game plan over and over again.

Ya got balls accusing me of seeking quantitative or definitive,
when thats all that you webmasters have happening for themsels on-line for the past 10 years now.

Webmasters Of Adult Industry trade business/traffic in a security blanket of marketing thats already been proven to work. :(
You fuckers lack

:groupwave

GIVE ME AN I :cheer:
GIVE ME AN N:cheer:
GIVE ME AN N:cheer:
GIVE ME AN O:cheer:
GIVE ME AN V:cheer:
GIVE ME AN T:cheer:
GIVE ME AN I:cheer:
GIVE ME AN O:cheer:
GIVE ME AN N:cheer:
:groupwave

Im not producing unless the wheels are turning...
I gotta be in Valrico @ 4am,
so nite

[Toby]

You go right ahead and innovate and while you're doing that I'll just keep myself busy depositing checks.

[EmporerEJ]

Tell me something man...?
What did the past 10 years of upcoming webmaster/programmer throw out into this vast internet thats revolutionist the industry or even the internet?
Nobodies risked nothing when all they do is repeat the same game plan over and over again.

Ya got balls accusing me of seeking quantitative or definitive,
when thats all that you webmasters have happening for themsels on-line for the past 10 years now.

Webmasters Of Adult Industry trade business/traffic in a security blanket of marketing thats already been proven to work. :(
You fuckers lack

:groupwave

GIVE ME AN I :cheer:
GIVE ME AN N:cheer:
GIVE ME AN N:cheer:
GIVE ME AN O:cheer:
GIVE ME AN V:cheer:
GIVE ME AN T:cheer:
GIVE ME AN I:cheer:
GIVE ME AN O:cheer:
GIVE ME AN N:cheer:
:groupwave

Im not producing unless the wheels are turning...
I gotta be in Valrico @ 4am,
so nite








Yea......ahhh.....not all of us "lack."
Or, perhaps you weren't indicating all of "You fuckers?"

It gets confusing with words like "You," that are printed the same in 1,2, and 3rd person usage. Your context isn't clear.

(psst: By the way, you did mean to spell out "Innovation," right? Not "Innovtion?" 'Cause it was a really cool way to do that...)

[Rcourt64]

Yea......ahhh.....not all of us "lack."
Or, perhaps you weren't indicating all of "You fuckers?"

It gets confusing with words like "You," that are printed the same in 1,2, and 3rd person usage. Your context isn't clear.

(psst: By the way, you did mean to spell out "Innovation," right? Not "Innovtion?" 'Cause it was a really cool way to do that...)

I hate using text to communicate thoughts, I believe allot of what people try to say is lost without the sound they generate with what they say.
I also should stop posting when I'm drinking, Cuz when I return the next day to see what I wrote, I don't even understand have the time what I was attempting to express.
The Zinf is like cool-aid here.:140s:
http://wine.lovetoknow.com/wiki/images/Wine/thumb/e/e5/Zinfandel.jpg/300px-Zinfandel.jpg