[Toby]

Yup, always the same group of "bro's" involved in these threads. Way too much shady shit going on. Not all of it is initiated by these scammers, but at the very least they don't do enough to vet the people they're dealing with.

My debit card got hit by Fling back in April. While I do use that card online quite a bit I hadn't used it for any adult membership sites (no need). I still don't know how they got my card info, including the CVV and billing address. It almost has to have been an insider at one of the billing companies or a security breach.