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Originally Posted by PornoDoggy
I guess what confuses me is that the fact that, as you point out, the "1/2 [of] the idiots in this country still think Iraq is linked to 9/11..." proves that idiocy, like honor, is not restricted to either side of center.
I don't find the actions of those who are changing sides in the debate on the war any more deplorable than those who continue to cling to justifications that have proven to be false, or who have blithely adopted whatever rationale for the war that has most recently come out of the White House Press Office.
Let me put it to you this way – I agree that the way some politicians who are liberals, or are regarded as liberals, have conducted themselves with regard to their position on the war does not reflect honorably on them.
That being said – IMHO, the way some politicians who are conservative, or are regarded as conservatives, have conducted themselves with regard to justifying and/or defending the war reflects on them no more honorably.
Arguing that one or the other is more dishonorable is … well, the best technical term I can come up with is “downright stupid.”
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PD, I dont think anyone or any party has the monopoly on idiocy, morality, truth or honor. I am not really interested in partisan politics as much as i was commenting on Democrats behavior today in the sense that they all deny any responsibility for their support of the war. I dont think Republicans are better or more right on any issue. But today, it's not the right that is screaming out "bush lied"... and little else. I am not defending anyone, much less Bush. I just started getting more and more annoyed by the "we were lied to" banter as that suggests that no one had an opinion without Bush giving it to them... or that no info was available to form an opinion on the issue in spite of a couple months of heated international debate before the UN and elswhere, endless debate and congressional hearings and so on.
My point is simply that everyone had more than enough info to have an opinion and most people did without Bush and anything he had to say. Their case was always weak. From day 1, they really made no sense and kept trying to make a weak connection to terrorism and security. They were reaching and the world agreed. AMERICANS did not agree. AMERICANS wanted to fight. Colin Powell went to the UN and gave the most pathetic performance i have ever seen leaving even me saying to myself "holy shit.. i sure hope to god they have more than this if they want international support to justify invading a country".