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RawAlex · 05-25-2004

Serge, I learned way more about their culture than you can imagine. I am a certifiable asianphile, and I am VERY aware of many of the parts that make up their culture. Old subtitled japanese samurai movies are very enjoyable to watch. Their culture even today is an amazing mix of old and new, traditional and modern, self control and the always present quest to keep your 'cho'.

They are an intelligent people, and the US action in Hiroshima and nagasake was more then enough to show the people that they could lose. There was much loss of cho during that time, and that powerful force is part of what lead to the japan we know today. However, just like a recovered drug addict, the addiction to power and war isn't far under the surface, as you tell from reactions to comments made by North Korea in the last couple of years.

The middle east is different. For the most part, these cultures are still in the warrior / king / clan / warlord stage of development, so that while they may have pretty buildings, big cities, and functional economies, they are still dependant on this clan type system as part of their lives. They fight amoungst themselves, with others, and with other countries. They have for centuries, and they aren't planning to stop any time soon.

Israel has taken more than enough actions that should have stopped these groups a long time ago. Their leaders have been killed, their houses bombed and bulldozed, and their land systematically taken away, yet they fight on, often more effective than in the past.

These people have no cho - just the upholding of their clan's place in the world. There is no personal respect or position in life that is important, only that of their group.

Japanese will stop when they lose cho. That is exactly what happened. The Arabs of the middle east don't have cho, don't know when to stop.

Don't think so? Ask Yassir Arafat, who has slowly but surely blustered and bullied his way to less and less land, less and less control, and less and less freedom for his people. There have been land deals on the table in the last 10-15 years that would have made a very decent size palestinian state, and now they have almost nothing left to work from.

Their hatred of the Israelis goes beyond logic, beyond saving face, beyond cho.

To think that the rest of the arab world is suddenly going to pull a "japan" is beyond concept. Herding cats and guiding programmers would be easier.

Alex

05-25-2004	#23
RawAlex Members $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,036	Serge, I learned way more about their culture than you can imagine. I am a certifiable asianphile, and I am VERY aware of many of the parts that make up their culture. Old subtitled japanese samurai movies are very enjoyable to watch. Their culture even today is an amazing mix of old and new, traditional and modern, self control and the always present quest to keep your 'cho'. They are an intelligent people, and the US action in Hiroshima and nagasake was more then enough to show the people that they could lose. There was much loss of cho during that time, and that powerful force is part of what lead to the japan we know today. However, just like a recovered drug addict, the addiction to power and war isn't far under the surface, as you tell from reactions to comments made by North Korea in the last couple of years. The middle east is different. For the most part, these cultures are still in the warrior / king / clan / warlord stage of development, so that while they may have pretty buildings, big cities, and functional economies, they are still dependant on this clan type system as part of their lives. They fight amoungst themselves, with others, and with other countries. They have for centuries, and they aren't planning to stop any time soon. Israel has taken more than enough actions that should have stopped these groups a long time ago. Their leaders have been killed, their houses bombed and bulldozed, and their land systematically taken away, yet they fight on, often more effective than in the past. These people have no cho - just the upholding of their clan's place in the world. There is no personal respect or position in life that is important, only that of their group. Japanese will stop when they lose cho. That is exactly what happened. The Arabs of the middle east don't have cho, don't know when to stop. Don't think so? Ask Yassir Arafat, who has slowly but surely blustered and bullied his way to less and less land, less and less control, and less and less freedom for his people. There have been land deals on the table in the last 10-15 years that would have made a very decent size palestinian state, and now they have almost nothing left to work from. Their hatred of the Israelis goes beyond logic, beyond saving face, beyond cho. To think that the rest of the arab world is suddenly going to pull a "japan" is beyond concept. Herding cats and guiding programmers would be easier. Alex __________________ Let's go to the edge of disaster Push the pedal and go a little faster Let's slam into a wall at ramming speed Let's go to the edge of a mountain Jump off and lets start countin' Hit the ground and tell me if it bleeds