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Old 05-04-2004   #17
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Originally posted by gonzo@May 4 2004, 03:09 PM
Apples and oranges...

Its not a willing download. Its a forced download on a surfer and the webmaster that had the counter code on his machine didnt know that it would be later used to make anyone that clicked a link to his page into a spyware bitch.

You of all people know that the recurring biz model where the surfer "forgets" that they are going to be rebilled is dead. Matter of fact...I recall not to long ago reading a piece that you wrote on Max cash in the news section when you were with CCBill explaining that the average cancellation span of a surfer was around 3 months.

The heart of the matter is treat the surfer like a customer/client as opposed to a mark.

You do a lot of consulting...Im sure you agree with that.
Couple of points -- I haven't written anything for Maxcash or that would be used by MC in a long time, nor have I been with CCBill for almost 3 years.

Second, any idiot that thinks that webmasters are a target market for spyware that is consumer oriented is an idiot.

Third, the recurring model is not dead. Not by a long shot. Overdue for some changes yes, but not dead. The reseller model as we know it is the one that *I* think should die...

Last but not least, I'm still of, and probably always will be, the "Nick" mindset. Surfers are a bunch of bandwidth sucking freeloaders until they spend money and should be treated as such. I'm NOT saying double bill them, cross sell them to death without clear disclosure or any of those things. What I AM saying is if you look at the popularity of Kazaa, Morpheus (all those damn spyware supported programs where the freeloading bastards go to find their free porn) it's clear and obvious that the surfer's got the upper hand, especially if he knows how to charge back.

It's a vicious cycle and maybe one day it will be broken. But for the time being it is what it is, and either you work within it and make money or you don't.

The whole entire system needs an overhaul, and until it's a forced thing, I don't see it coming.
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