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Originally posted by OldJeff@Mar 5 2004, 12:38 PM
Mike.
What National Defense thing has Bush done ?
War in Afganastan ? Al Queda still exists.
War in Iraq ? Iraq has proven to be a much greater threat to American lives since we have been there. Americans are dying in Iraq every day.
Although I wholeheartedly supported both of these military actions based on what we were being told, it really does not take an IQ much higer than that of a turnip to see we were lied to.
Based simply on the satalite photos taken of Ground Zero I have to say that if Iraq did have WMD and they moved them we would know exactly where they are.
Truth is we invaded a country that posed absolutely no threat to us in any way.
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Jeff how many terrorist attacks have occured on US soil?
Do you think this is just a coincidence? Do you think Al Quada is taking a break now? Just letting us slide?
Do you realize how many people the FBI rounded up right after 9-11? I read somewhere that 1 cell a week was being busted in the US. The reason they are not reporting it is because they are trying to turn these guys to get more information from other cells.
This is a war that 90% of what is going on, we do not see, and chances we will not know until all the files are declassified and released.
Al Quada is on the run. Smacking Iraq got attention from other Nations and hence they are making changes in their policies. Libya gave up their WMD program and more importanlty have given us the clues to break up the international WMD market. Which included Pakistans TOP nuclear scientist who is spilling the beans.
As far as Iraq, this will sound bad, but the reality is the amount of American dying in Iraq is statisticly zero, and does not effect combat productiveness. This is what you determine winning a war is about. Losing 1-2 soldiers a day is NOTHING - it only impacts the pshycology of those at home. Americans need to get tough like our forfathers. How many soldiers died a day during WWII?
While I beleive Iraq did posses WMD ( Whey else would Saddam risk everything on a bluff?), they were probably moved to Syria ( there are satilite photos showing truck conveys heading there before the war). I support the strick on Iraq in pure RealPolitik terms.
By invading Iraq the US is now able to pull our troops from Saudi Arabia, we can garrison them in Iraq ( Iraq will be like Germany and Japan - housing US troops for the next 50 years). With a big chunk of our military stationed in Iraq we will be able to exert pressure on those we need to. Iran, Syrian, Saudi Arabia, etc...
The reason we are there? OIL. There is no doubt about it. The free flow of market priced oil is the fuel of the US, and hence world economy. Stabilizing the area that has the most fuel is a national interest. Because most American's have a hard time accepting the realities of hard ball foreign policy, Presidents have to couch their actions in other acceptable ways. IN this case it is fighting terrorism.
Luckily for Bush, going to Iraq also helps out on the terrorist front as well. We are a big juicy target and terrorists are heading to Iraq to throw us out. I personally would much rather fight them in baghdad with out military then fight them in Manhatten.
Sorry for the long post....