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Originally posted by Mike AI@Jun 17 2003, 10:22 PM
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U.S./Britain/Canada/Australia/Japan/Israel vs Europe/Russia/China/Mid East/Indonesia
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Hmmm you may be right on some side.... but I think you are grouping way to many countries/regions that have no common interests, many who have been struggling with each other for centuries!
PD , Sarettah... Have I ever said I think you should shut up, or not post your opinions? Questioning the gov't? No way... I love divergent opinions, I may not agree with them alway but belevie you have a right, and a duty to hold them and speak up!
Everyone has the right to be wrong! :P
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Nope, you haven't ever.... and the poster was for PD
Bunch of cool retro style posters on the link I dropped....
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Mike, I did however question the "support your Country" at the bottom of your post.... as I said, I certainly hope my patriotism and support for my country was not being called into question...
I think 9/11 was designed by Bin Laden to get us to attack in the Mid East. I can only figure that he had a reason to want that and that by going into the Mid East we played into his hand in some manner.
I am still waiting for that old other shoe to drop.
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As far as the countries and alliances...
War/politics always makes for strange bedfellows....
First of all, going back to '67 or '68 when the Nixon administration was in power and we moved off of the gold standard. Officially no actual standard ever replaced it. By proxy, energy become the standard upon which our economy rests. Imo, if you watch the economy's reaction to drifting oil prices, you get confirmation of this.
The lynchpin, imo, is the Oil. If Middle Eastern countries have a transfer of power, violent or peaceful, to Muslim fundamentalist groups, those groups will for lack of a better weapon cut off the flow of oil to the U.S.
Back when the USSR existed as a total entity, one of the main goals (that we always subverted) was a warm water port to operate out of. That was always one of Ivan's primary interests in the Mid East.
If the fundamentalists are in charge, they will be looking for a new trade partner to take the oil off of their hands... Enter Europe, Russia, China....
Russia is not all that far away from being the USSR. If I remember right, Putin was actually a bigwig with the KGB. The hardliners are not totally gone by any means and maintain some influence on the decisions being made. In 89, at the fall of the Iron curtain, the USSR still had the largest Navy in the world. Those ships have not been destroyed, most are still listed in Janes. They are in mothballs and are under the control of Russia for the most part (although some may be under the control of Ukraine etc).
Russia still has aspirations to become (or in their eyes, remain) a superpower. I don't find it farfetched that they would agree to buy oil in exchange for use of warm water ports.
China ia still under the control of hardliners. Even though Nixon paved the way for an opening back in '72, it is still a very closed society run by hardline communists.
So, as it would lay out. As Muslim fundamentalism grows, the US would be in the position of having to invade more and more countries to maintain any semblance of control and order. This would serve to paint the US as an aggressor against the Muslim world which will only forment more unease etc eventually dominoeing the entire region.
France and Germeny have already shown where they will stand as it goes down. An important note to remember is that France is a nuclear power, missiles, subs, the whole bit. They will share the technology with Germany when the need comes. The hardliners in Russia and China will see opportunity. Russia will see the chance to make an oil/land grab by supporting various Muslim factions clandestinely at first and then later as being their rescuer against the big mean US of A. China will see the chance to grab Taiwan and to help North Korea grab South Korea. Both of these will also be backed by Nukes, etc...
From there, it is all downhill....
Will nukes fly... I don't know...
Anyway, that is the short version...lol... I left the long version I started at work... Footnoted and all
