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JR ... I agree that England would not have been able to last long without American aid and manpower, and that the Soviets probably would have collapsed without American aid as well. My old man was in the Coast Guard escorting convoys by June, 1940. The African and Italian campaigns also contributed to the winning of the war by diverting a great deal of men and material that the Nazis could ill afford to spare throughout much of late 42, all of 43, and the first half of 44.

By June 44, however, the circumstances were far different. The Russians had retaken virtually all of the former Soviet Union, were advancing through Poland and Rumania, and the Nazis were unable to stop them anywhere.

You and Mike seem to assume that I'm claiming America had no role in winning the war, and nothing could be further from the truth. The money, material, and manpower that we contributed saved their asses. IMHO, the war would have been won by the Soviets in another 6-12 months without the landings in France. That's all I'm saying.

And I said in my original post that I didn't think Europe would have been speaking German, they would have been speaking Russian. That alone deserves a whole lot of credit we will never get.