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Originally posted by Cal@Nov 14 2002, 02:22 PM
So when I propose we keep our current system and reform the IRS and the distribution of gov't funds, that has no practical application in the real world. But you propose solutions that are being used nowhere on the planet, and have not been proven to work outside of pure speculation, and I am the idealist?
C.
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You propose to throw more money at the current system and your goal in doing so (based on your posts) is to save the poor people, the single moms, the environment, etc, etc.
You also propose that we should stay with the current income tax, where achievers pay the way for non-achievers. You believe that this will fix the problem, which is pure speculation as well.
Because you care so much about these issues, you are comfortable with the Gov't taking my money and/or rights as long as it is spent where you think it needs to be. You do not care about my individual rights because the ends justify the means in your book.
Cal, you cannot give people something for nothing and expect them to not expect it again in the future. If enough of this class of people are created, they will be in a position to vote to continue to sap the acheivers and at an increasing rate. Then, eventually one (and probably both) of two things will happen:
1) the acheivers will leave
2) the system will be bankrupt
It is in this vein that I believe your overall philosophy is impractical and therefore idealist. Look, you seem to have genuine concern for who you consider to be the "victims" of the world. I applaud that.
We should just agree to disagree on what the best way is to help these people.
btw, just like the IRS puts out studies on how they can collect more if they had more funds, there are also studies on how a National Sales tax or flat tax would increase revenues. There is a study supporting anything you like as you pointed out in another thread.
http://www.fairtax.org has some information on taxes