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gonzo 06-02-2009 04:27 PM

To Skim or Not to Skim
 
Heres an interesting biz question.

Say your a program owner and you have an affilaite thats using your galleries,text ads etc as part of a outbound skim to build up traffic to your site.

Do you continue to take the traffic and sales or tell the affiliate that you dont want your program promoted like that?

Pros? Cons? Thoughts?

griffin8r 06-02-2009 05:35 PM

Re: To Skim or Not to Skim
 
Depends on how much it's contributing to site overhead, both directions.

If they're making you money, and your site isn't slowing down over the extra "hits", then why kill a good thing.

OTOH, if the bandwidth used isn't worth the money generated from their referrals, it's time to pull the plug.

nation-x 06-02-2009 05:38 PM

Re: To Skim or Not to Skim
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 826770)
Heres an interesting biz question.

Say your a program owner and you have an affilaite thats using your galleries,text ads etc as part of a outbound skim to build up traffic to your site.

Do you continue to take the traffic and sales or tell the affiliate that you dont want your program promoted like that?

Pros? Cons? Thoughts?

I think that it's none of their business how a webmaster generates traffic as long as it's legal. Any program that doesn't want an affiliate to skim traffic on their content shouldn't have an affiliate program, period... just my 2 cents.

That said... I don't think programs should accept any affiliates from countries where their processor can't accept payments.

Toby 06-02-2009 06:07 PM

Re: To Skim or Not to Skim
 
A complete ban on skim is a bit over the top, but I don't think a sponsor would be out of line requiring that a minimum percentage of clicks actually get sent to content. I have such a requirement for my trade partners (60%).

As for using sponsors bandwidth, that's not really an issue in regards to skim. The only way that a skim site would use sponsor bandwidth is if the sponsor allows hotlinking of images or vid clips and that's completely within the control of the sponsor via their server config.

nation-x 06-02-2009 07:30 PM

Re: To Skim or Not to Skim
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby (Post 826777)
A complete ban on skim is a bit over the top, but I don't think a sponsor would be out of line requiring that a minimum percentage of clicks actually get sent to content. I have such a requirement for my trade partners (60%).

As for using sponsors bandwidth, that's not really an issue in regards to skim. The only way that a skim site would use sponsor bandwidth is if the sponsor allows hotlinking of images or vid clips and that's completely within the control of the sponsor via their server config.

That is a valid point... I DO feel like 0% to content CJs are stealing content.

Hell Puppy 06-02-2009 09:24 PM

Re: To Skim or Not to Skim
 
bottom line, is everyone making money? if so, it's a fair deal.

if not, i'm a believer in working with anyone i consider a "partner" whether it be a traffic partner or affiliate. if i'm not making money because i'm serving up content for you and paying you, but you're sucking more pipe than i make, then we may need to talk about the percentage of the skim or the amount of your pay.

creativity is ok, dont pigeon hole people. just make sure it makes sense for all involved....that should also include your customers.

gonzo 06-03-2009 01:06 AM

Re: To Skim or Not to Skim
 
It was a question someone asked me so I figured I would throw it out there to see what everyone thought.

My response was if it was making me money I wouldnt care but if you dont want you stuff promoted that way.
Yank em.

JuicyJay 06-04-2009 01:41 PM

Re: To Skim or Not to Skim
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 826780)
That is a valid point... I DO feel like 0% to content CJs are stealing content.

Yes, but only if the site is not promoted elsewhere on the site.
If they promote it heavily elsewhere and have trade thumbs (0% to gallery) most program owners are okay with it.

Its when they don't promote you at all, and just use the images anyway that people get upset.

bluemoney 06-04-2009 02:24 PM

Re: To Skim or Not to Skim
 
Good thread.

nation-x 06-05-2009 09:03 AM

Re: To Skim or Not to Skim
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JuicyJay (Post 826812)
Yes, but only if the site is not promoted elsewhere on the site.
If they promote it heavily elsewhere and have trade thumbs (0% to gallery) most program owners are okay with it.

Its when they don't promote you at all, and just use the images anyway that people get upset.

Most of the CJs I have seen don't promote all of the programs that are represented by the content on their sites. Here are 2 examples of CJs run by BestInBC (not sure if you know who that is).

pornoxxxclips dot com<-- warning... popups
pornfueled dot com

There is alot of content on those sites from programs that he doesn't promote.


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