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Sabby 08-07-2006 02:10 PM
Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Hey guys I shot my first boy/girl photo set and the pics are up on my site now. Video will be up next week.

Content should be available for JaymanCash webmasters soon.

Okay... Meet Big P!! hehe.

http://www.sabbyvanryan.com/promopics/bigp.jpg



Sabby:flash:

spazlabz 08-07-2006 02:13 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
thats strange, i thought you were hard core before
oh well shows what I know
i bet that HC content will do very well :)


spaz

Sabby 08-07-2006 02:18 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
I guess you are right some of my solo content is very hardcore also.

I didnt know what else to call this though, lol.


Sabby:flash:

TheEnforcer 08-07-2006 03:23 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Going in a new direction eh? I'm sure it will be as hot as your solo stuff, which is very hot! :okthumb:

ScottMcGowan 08-07-2006 05:29 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
There's a goober in that photo. /me snickers like a 12 year old.

Sabby 08-08-2006 12:41 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheEnforcer
Going in a new direction eh? I'm sure it will be as hot as your solo stuff, which is very hot! :okthumb:
I'm always full of surprises :) Dont get too comfortable yet! hehe.


Sabby:flash:

softball 08-08-2006 12:50 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
I know I for one,am on tenterhooks. LOL.

Hell Puppy 08-08-2006 01:55 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Conventional knowledge says adding hardcore increases conversions for a solo girl site. But I wonder if that really applies when the dick is following things like a baseball bat? I mean, is a dick really an upgrade over that 4 foot long double ender in your new avatar? ;)

I'll be curious to see the results.

Sabby 08-08-2006 02:14 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Puppy
Conventional knowledge says adding hardcore increases conversions for a solo girl site. But I wonder if that really applies when the dick is following things like a baseball bat? I mean, is a dick really an upgrade over that 4 foot long double ender in your new avatar? ;)

I'll be curious to see the results.
LOL yeah me too.

It does broaden my categories for traffic sources however... Blowjobs, cumshots, etc...

Although I'm sure the avatar pic would get accepted as a bj pic by most.


Sabby:flash:

Jace 08-08-2006 03:57 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
I had no clue you didn't do hardcore before this

wierd....I never pay attention to shit like that anymore...my mind is numb anymore

Hammer 08-08-2006 08:18 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
I like your avatar photo better. Personally I don't get off on watching other people have sex and much prefer just looking at the woman. I guess I'm too straight to enjoy looking at other guys naked. Then again, since I like the avatar and that has a tranny look to it, I guess I'm just as mixed up as everyone else anyway.

Footman 08-08-2006 10:05 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
I think all your pics are hot, but this being a new avenue for your pictures I'd be interested to know how it affects your traffic, signups etc. I'm sure that most of your members will be happy to see the new stuff, but I wonder if some are simply not into seeing you with a dude. Kind of like Hammer said. But also, it's a departure from the edgy insertions... unless the guy is massive or has to heads or something.

I think exploration into the "new" is great.... Good luck Sabby :)

brand0n 08-08-2006 08:09 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
that pic to the left looks pretty hard core to me

Forsberg's Dog 08-09-2006 01:41 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabby
Hey guys I shot my first boy/girl photo set and the pics are up on my site now. Video will be up next week.

Content should be available for JaymanCash webmasters soon.

Okay... Meet Big P!! hehe.

http://www.sabbyvanryan.com/promopics/bigp.jpg



Sabby:flash:
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

Hammer 08-09-2006 11:10 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brand0n
that pic to the left looks pretty hard core to me
Yeah, I guess she means she's doing it with real dicks now.

Footman 08-09-2006 11:23 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer
Yeah, I guess she means she's doing it with real dicks now.
:waving: I have a real one! And Sabby, you look like you have really great feet ;)

spazlabz 08-09-2006 11:35 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
this thread is useless without {more} pics :woah:


spaz

Sabby 08-09-2006 02:45 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Footman
:waving: I have a real one! And Sabby, you look like you have really great feet ;)
hehe tiny size 5 feets. I have done alot of feet content in my site actually. There's some good footjob pics in that set also.


Sabby:flash:

Sabby 08-09-2006 02:49 PM
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Check out my sexy blue toenails hehe.


Sabby:flash:

Footman 08-09-2006 02:52 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabby
hehe tiny size 5 feets. I have done alot of feet content in my site actually. There's some good footjob pics in that set also.


Sabby:flash:
I think I'm falling in love :wub:

Footman 08-09-2006 02:54 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabby
Check out my sexy blue toenails hehe.


Sabby:flash:
YUMMY!! :yowsa:

Hammer 08-09-2006 03:05 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Sabby, I think you've really done it now. There ain't nothing hardcore about that photo and to me it's just a pair of feet that I'd rather see a sexy pair of shoes on, but I bet Footman has jerked off all over his monitor by now.

Footman 08-09-2006 03:13 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer
Sabby, I think you've really done it now. There ain't nothing hardcore about that photo and to me it's just a pair of feet that I'd rather see a sexy pair of shoes on, but I bet Footman has jerked off all over his monitor by now.
:lmao1: My monitor is at least 3 feet from me... I'm no Peter North!

Sabby 08-09-2006 10:29 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
hehe. Im sooooooooo glad you liked that :)

BTW Here is my new strategy:

1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it.

Edit: MOST webmaster requests welcome :)


Sabby:flash:

Footman 08-09-2006 10:59 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabby
hehe. Im sooooooooo glad you liked that :)

BTW Here is my new strategy:

1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it.

Edit: MOST webmaster requests welcome :)


Sabby:flash:
Oh I REALLY liked that :yowsa:

Good strategy too. So you're thinking feet might be a good way to go? I vote YES on that. I'm really still thinking about those toes and... (slapping myself - stay professional Footman, stay professional)... sorry ;)

Sabby 08-09-2006 11:06 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Footman
Oh I REALLY liked that :yowsa:

Good strategy too. So you're thinking feet might be a good way to go? I vote YES on that. I'm really still thinking about those toes and... (slapping myself - stay professional Footman, stay professional)... sorry ;)
Well I have some feet members that message me on my site alot so I always include some good feet shots in every set now. I cant only focus on feet though.


Sabby:flash:

Footman 08-09-2006 11:12 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabby
Well I have some feet members that message me on my site alot so I always include some good feet shots in every set now. I cant only focus on feet though.


Sabby:flash:
Of course you can't. You have to give as much as you can of what your paying members want to see. Fortunately you have very nice feet and shooting feet is certainly much easier than some other things people can ask for.

Sabby 08-09-2006 11:17 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Footman
Of course you can't. You have to give as much as you can of what your paying members want to see. Fortunately you have very nice feet and shooting feet is certainly much easier than some other things people can ask for.
I agree. I love the feet guys hehe. I used to have a guy take me prvt all the time on Interclimax for a half hour show to watch me blow spit bubbles all over my toes. He was great.


Sabby:flash:

gonzo 08-09-2006 11:39 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Interesting marketing angles.

Unfortunatly I like the other tour I had made for the other site even better.
Different site and different angle but it would have converted like a motherfucker.

Sabby 08-09-2006 11:45 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo
Interesting marketing angles.

Unfortunatly I like the other tour I had made for the other site even better.
Different site and different angle but it would have converted like a motherfucker.
I KNOW!!!!!!!!!

:boohoo:


Sabby:flash:

Sabby 08-09-2006 11:47 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
I'm doing well with leg traffic also. This thumb pulls REALLY well on toplists.

http://www.sabbyvanryan.com/linkups/sablegs.jpg


Sabby:flash:

softball 08-09-2006 11:58 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
"1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it."

Actually, that sounds backwards to me. But good luck to you anyway.

gonzo 08-10-2006 12:10 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhetorical
"1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it."

Actually, that sounds backwards to me. But good luck to you anyway.
Actually it was a strategy a lot of us used in building free sites ...
Traffic source and then find a site/program that converted and paid.

Footman 08-10-2006 12:24 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhetorical
"1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it."

Actually, that sounds backwards to me. But good luck to you anyway.
Why? Basically it means... to me at least

"Find a popular niche with not so much competition and build a quality site around it"

Unless I misunderstood everything. That's been known to happen before :rolleyes:

softball 08-10-2006 01:42 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo
Actually it was a strategy a lot of us used in building free sites ...
Traffic source and then find a site/program that converted and paid.
Yes that is true, but you are walking in someone's footprints. I guess its about how much money you want to make. First adopters usually make the cash if it is a good idea. Sucking the hind tit makes money, just not as much. It is what you are content with.

softball 08-10-2006 01:43 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Footman
Why? Basically it means... to me at least

"Find a popular niche with not so much competition and build a quality site around it"

Unless I misunderstood everything. That's been known to happen before :rolleyes:
It happens all the time. There are those who lead and those who follow.

gonzo 08-10-2006 02:31 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhetorical
Yes that is true, but you are walking in someone's footprints. I guess its about how much money you want to make. First adopters usually make the cash if it is a good idea. Sucking the hind tit makes money, just not as much. It is what you are content with.
Hind tit seems to have worked for me!

Hammer 08-10-2006 07:39 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
So why did she change from the tour that would convert like a 'motherfucker'?

I agree with Rhetorical too, considering we're talking about an existing pay site. Kind of silly to worry about traffic to a paysite that doesn't have good content already.

Footman 08-10-2006 08:30 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
The really important thing is she's sexy as hell and like feet guys.. so there :nyanya:
lol

Toby 08-10-2006 10:33 AM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Solo amateur sites are a slightly different beast that don't necessarily have to follow the usual rules to be successful. I promote a number of such sites that have added mulitple niche specific tours as they develop a content and traffic base for each.

The key is understanding each niche well enough to do it right. The time Sabby has spent doing private shows gives her insights into fetishes and niches that most of us will never understand.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabby
Edit: MOST webmaster requests welcome
I can always use more high heel or boot content. :D

Sabby 08-10-2006 01:36 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer
So why did she change from the tour that would convert like a 'motherfucker'?

I agree with Rhetorical too, considering we're talking about an existing pay site. Kind of silly to worry about traffic to a paysite that doesn't have good content already.
I was going to partner a girlgirl site with another girl. And then she went psycho before Gonzo and I got a model release from her. That was over a year ago.

You think my content is not good? Well, My site as it is converts fine for me with the traffic I have. I'm just running out of traffic sources for my own traffic now and I have already topped almost all the toplists I qualify for. That boy/girl scene opened up alot more sites for me to link up to.



Sabby:flash:

Sabby 08-10-2006 02:07 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Solo amateur sites are a slightly different beast that don't necessarily have to follow the usual rules to be successful. I promote a number of such sites that have added mulitple niche specific tours as they develop a content and traffic base for each.

The key is understanding each niche well enough to do it right. The time Sabby has spent doing private shows gives her insights into fetishes and niches that most of us will never understand.

I can always use more high heel or boot content. :D
I have 2 sets with thigh high boots. One black pair and one white pair. I have a pair of red ones also I havent shot in yet but I will. Alot of my sets I am wearing stileto heel shoes.


Sabby:flash:

Hammer 08-10-2006 03:19 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabby
You think my content is not good?
I didn't say your content wasn't good. I was commenting on the order you had you listed the priorities in, which some newbie might read. You listed find traffic first and get content second.

Sabby 08-10-2006 03:21 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer
I didn't say your content wasn't good. I was commenting on the order you had you listed the priorities in, which some newbie might read. You listed find traffic first and get content second.
You are so right...

Giving newbies good advice is a terrible idea, lol. Thankyou for correcting me.


Sabby:flash:

Hammer 08-10-2006 03:22 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabby
You are so right...

Giving newbies good advice is a terrible idea, lol. Thankyou for correcting me.
ummm.... so you're saying that telling a newbie to concentrate on getting traffic first and then getting content second is good advice?

What good does traffic do without good content?

Sabby 08-10-2006 03:25 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer
ummm.... so you're saying that telling a newbie to concentrate on getting traffic first and then getting content second is good advice?

What good does traffic do without good content?
Do you have either one? I have both :)



Sabby:flash:

Hammer 08-10-2006 03:28 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabby
Do you have either one? I have both :)
You win. You just defeated me with illogic and I don't have the engergy to continue. :wnw:

softball 08-10-2006 03:41 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Its the old content vs traffic go-round. If you have both, then you win. But no content, no traffic. This is not a chicken or egg situation. I also believe that spinning your wheels for traffic is not a good strategy. Its like starting from scratch over and over and over again. The porn version of groundhog day.

gonzo 08-10-2006 04:08 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhetorical
Its the old content vs traffic go-round. If you have both, then you win. But no content, no traffic. This is not a chicken or egg situation. I also believe that spinning your wheels for traffic is not a good strategy. Its like starting from scratch over and over and over again. The porn version of groundhog day.
Im glad you brought this up.
I can point to 2 sites in the last year that started out with ZERO content that have a large surfer base without being a year old.

It can be done. It has been done. TWICE!

softball 08-10-2006 04:10 PM
Re: Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo
Im glad you brought this up.
I can point to 2 sites in the last year that started out with ZERO content that have a large surfer base without being a year old.

It can be done. It has been done. TWICE!
OK, point to them. I would actually like to see this and how it is done.


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