... what did the government get out of the FSC deal that they agreed to it? What's in it for them?

(Long day, g'night folks!)

You mean other than potential access to the full FSC member list?

Go after someone who isnt an FSC member, get them to cop a plea, the government gets to prove their new regulation actually work, in a court of law.

Go after someone on the FSC member list, charge them with something, have the full list unsealed.

Its win-win for the DOJ.

Good question dravyk. I would also wonder how secure is the list? IE- is the deal that the DOJ NEVER EVER gets their hands on the list or what?

why would they need the FSC members list to achieve this? they still would have to do inspections and i would guess that the assumption would be the FSC members are more likely to be in compliance than the average idiot in this business. the government does not go after long shots.. they go after slam dunks. having a list of FSC members is not proof of anything and its not meaningful information that could not be obtained through other means.

no one can just charge someone with something without verifying that a crime was committed and a law was broken.... correct?

your logic is pretty flawed.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=49359

why would they need the FSC members list to achieve this? they still would have to do inspections and i would guess that the assumption would be the FSC members are more likely to be in compliance than the average idiot in this business. the government does not go after long shots.. they go after slam dunks. having a list of FSC members is not proof of anything and its not meaningful information that could not be obtained through other means.

no one can just charge someone with something without verifying that a crime was committed and a law was broken.... correct?

your logic is pretty flawed. [/b][/quote]
No.

The assumtion is that anyone joining the FSC in recent days, have done so BECAUSE they arent already in compliance, at least, thats what i would be thinking were i Mr Gonzales and they are only joining because they want 'protection'.

Oh and they would want to unseal the FSC memberlist because, if one person on that list ISNT compliant, the chances are, others wont be either.

Of course you can be charged of a crime without any evidence, especially a mom+pop webmaster who doesnt have the ability or cash to fight such a charge.

Just because they are charged however, it doesnt mean that a conviction will follow, that would be decided by the court system, unless a plea was made ;)

This FSC memberlist is going to become vital IMHO to the DOJ over the coming weeks, why wouldnt they try and find a list of persons on the list?

Also, as a side note, why hasnt the FULL agreement been published yet? Over the past few weeks every other document has been published, in full, yet this crucially important document for FSC members, hasnt been, why? The pattern got broken of information disclosure with this single item, something just doesnt smell right.

Lee that's an interesting point. Why pay FSC anything if you are already 100% compliant?

(Ok, fine, still not asleep yet, anyhow, damnit ...)

To get back to the question -- excluding Lee's theories which could be their own thread -- what does the government get out of this???

I think the DOJ want this thing to hold in court, so they will do alot to work with the "responsible adult community" (.xxx logic), which will get this thing to look more legit, and not like a take over by the goverment (.xxx tactic)

There will always be a test case, when new laws/rules are made - the first one always get special attention - after that they will pull up the train wagons, and transport us to the camps :zoinks:

FSC is not the bad guy here - towards your energy against those who are coming after you :ph34r:



Oh - and I see some similarities between 2257 and .xxx tld, thats why I put in the (xxx) ;-)

What's responsible about not being compliant by the deadline? ;-)

Right, just a bunch of lawyers who need to feed their kids, nothing new ;-)

From the FSC press release:

DOJ will probably not hold it against the FSC, if some of the FSC members are not listing ;-))

i would say that is YOUR assumption and its unfounded and incorrect. you have to be in compliance no matter what... today. right now... its the law. the FSC went out of their way to tell everyone they have to be in compliance.

If there were no laws, then there would be no lawyers... to get the number of lawyers down, then we need fewer laws, and to get fewer laws, then we need to reduce the amount of politicians :heil:

If there were no laws, then there would be no lawyers... to get the number of lawyers down, then we need fewer laws, and to get fewer laws, then we need to reduce the amount of politicians :heil: [/b][/quote]
we could also just round up the lawyers and sink them to the bottom of the ocean where they belong ;-)

we could also just round up the lawyers and sink them to the bottom of the ocean where they belong ;-) [/b][/quote]
I´m easy to make a compromise with... lets get rid of the lawyers and politicians - lots of room in the oceans ;-))

i would say that is YOUR assumption and its unfounded and incorrect. you have to be in compliance no matter what... today. right now... its the law. the FSC went out of their way to tell everyone they have to be in compliance. [/b][/quote]
That is EXACTLY my point, irrespective of whether or not you are an FSC member, you HAD to be in compliance today yet, many people are openly posting on publicly accessible message forums that they ARENT compliant and, to remain 'protected' they will be joining the FSC.

Just to clarify my point here..

1) Webmasters arent compliant to the current 2257 regs
2) Those same webmasters are joining the FSC for protection.

Now go back to my earlier statement about only having to prove ONE member of the FSC is breaking the law to get that list of ALL members unsealed :okthumb:

Fish... Lots of them ;)

Is it possibly that they could try and tack on what they see as legitimate .xxx tlds, or am i just being cunty ;)

Anything is a possibility the way things are flowing these days...


...and you don't get cunty, you're too calm :)

Anything is a possibility the way things are flowing these days...


...and you don't get cunty, you're too calm :) [/b][/quote]
Psychotic sociopaths are mate lol

Psychotic sociopaths are mate lol [/b][/quote]
Allegedly ;)