Having sobered up...

I have found myself with a shitload of web properties that aren't maximised at all , as over recent times I've taken easy routes to gain traffic. ;-)))

My empire (thks Colin) is pretty much in shambles , there are some fine properties but they need rebuilding before they turn into ruins.

I'm talking a lot of work ....

but I digress...


I now have an offer ,through a family member as well , that looks awesome.

I have had limited experience in outsourcing , and would love opinions.

I'm looking at outsourcing prolly for:
1.) a full time designer.I have 40 paysites that need revamping - good to outsource?
2.) A webmaster to build up my freesites again and create a (spit) TGP for me , and gewnerally maintain everything - good to outsource?

It sounds like you actually have a full time position (possibly 2) to fill. If I was you, I would find a family member with some design skills, some webmaster skills, some programming skills and a clue about how things work, offer him/her up $120k (USD) salary with good benefits and go from there.

But that is just imho of course.... :rolleyes:

or I could pay 10k and outsource....

hmmmmm

or I could pay 10k and outsource....

hmmmmm [/b][/quote]
Pay peanuts....

Get monkeys

:butt:

Out sourcing can an effective way to get work done - BUT you will need to dedicate time to make sure they do a good job. Definately needsomone to be hands on, or else monkeys will just do monkey things.

IF you can monitor their grammar and spelling, you might be in with a chance. The majority of the ones I have seen, when it comes to comprehending the English language, are sadly lacking.

It's flied lice, you plick .. I need a sweatshirt with that on ... anyway, I digress :awinky:

Pick the people carefully, unless you want to waste time checking and re-checking their work. Your time doing this could cost you more. Proven webmaster skills with those who can verify, the projects they have done in the past, will pay dividends if hiring.

We have almost outsourced everything - we are now 1/5 of the people we were before... only the strategists are left.

Its important to find companies that do a good job - thats much more important than the cost... while we have jobs at low priced countries, then we also have many in high priced countries, simply because its there we could get what we were looking for.

Outsoucing is not a matter about getting the lowest price possible - its about building a strong flexible business, which is quick to respond to change.

> 1.) a full time designer.I have 40 paysites that need revamping - good to outsource?

Yes, good to outsource, but I would probably contact/partner with company like ours who are already in the game, than some 3rd world company who doesn´t understand the market. These are your potential money makers/babies, where the wrong ideas can be the difference between 1/5000 or 1/100 (for those who are wondering - this was not a conversion guarantee ;-)))

> 2.) A webmaster to build up my freesites again and create a (spit) TGP for me , and gewnerally maintain everything - good to outsource?

Again, good to outsource, but it needs to be to the right people... :-)

Great advice Rolo.

Thks very much. :)

We may need to talk in the New Year :)

NP :-)

The key to successful outsourcing is having good project management in place. You gotta have someone to organize it, make sure it all gets done, gets done correctly and crack the whip when needed.

And think twice before outsourcing software development stuff to India!

They can always do everything, until it needs to get done...

HP ,

Good advice , thks.

Timon,`
Yeah ,tried India , I think I mentioned it to you privately , sucked.

Dont knock the so called third world options.

Its just a case of finding the right person(s).

The average salary in Thailand is $120 US a month..... you can get guys with masters degrees and amazing graphic skills working for next to nothing.
As soon as they get a chance they are off to europe/stateside/oz but only a small % get there and the rest have to work market rate.

I`ve been to thailand 17 times in last 4 years and those people are incredibly loyal and hard working.......

Why not try one site and if you get good results go for more. Do them in batches so your eggs aren`t all in the proverbial one basket.

Ok you obviously haven't actually employed anyone in Thailand or you wouldn't refer to the Thais as "loyal" and "hardworking".

Their low wages are off set by the fact that you need to hire 5 people to do one mans job and then still end up doing it yourself for them.

What always amazes me is that those Thais with masters degrees who graduated from a university where they teach in English do not actually speak or understand English themselves ;-(

When I asked a teacher about that recently he explained that if a university gets a reputation for being difficult and a lot of work students will take their business elsewhere....

not wishing to pry....but I must.. ;-)))


How come you go to thailand so often?
where do you go in Thailand?
Where is your home?

Lol

Because i love it there of course.

Everywhere except the mountains (prefer it hot).

London at moment ( Im Irish)

No shit!!!

Where in London?

I'm the adult nets only pikey ;-)))

And I was there for a weekend about 6 years ago... everything i know about outsourcing there i got from some guy in a chatroom ;-)

ahahahahahaha , Timon.

;-)))

Ok you obviously haven't actually employed anyone in Thailand or you wouldn't refer to the Thais as "loyal" and "hardworking".

Their low wages are off set by the fact that you need to hire 5 people to do one mans job and then still end up doing it yourself for them.

What always amazes me is that those Thais with masters degrees who graduated from a university where they teach in English do not actually speak or understand English themselves ;-(

When I asked a teacher about that recently he explained that if a university gets a reputation for being difficult and a lot of work students will take their business elsewhere.... [/b][/quote]
I employ 4 Thai part timers...... No complaints here at all.

Pimlico - SW1

And i have a house in Sri sa ket - and shares in a Pattaya hotel.

Discount available for Timon anytime.

Then either your standards aren't as high as mine or you just beat odds the equivalent of winning the lottery 4 times in a row ;-)

Outsourcing for certain projects can be a good decision when it comes to adding money to the bottom line.

However it can also be stressfull, since training them to be how you want them to be isnt like training a family member who in most cases might be sitting right next to you.

Bad thing about hiring Family Members and Friends is that you have to set ground rules and be honest right up front and make them 100% aware that if the shit hits the fan they probably wont be working for you anymore, speration of Family/Friends and Business. (This can be tough for many people to handle).

Rolo, tell me more. What do you do for people that are looking for outsourcing. Would be interested in chatting.

when looking for an outsourcing company make sure that you go with the right people.
You'll also need to at least dedicate yourself giving them instructions to make sure they do what you want.

I am patnering with a new Outsourcing group in the Ukraine

Very skilled group and very professional. My guys all speak excellent english and are motivated to do a great job to keep the client happy and using our service. Our pricing is lower then most I have found in the Phillipines and india so we are priced right.

Im looking forward to working with some of you


anyone have any questions please feel free to hit me up

118156620

revforest AT hotmail.com

We are in the paysite business ourself, however at some occasions our development team have partnered with other companies - projects have typical been total backend/frontend + strategy. Each situation have been unique, however in 2005 we are planning to bring a more "wide solution" to the table. Still not hourly billed outsourcing - more like a partnership, where partners exploit one another ;-)))

We are in the paysite business ourself, however at some occasions our development team have partnered with other companies - projects have typical been total backend/frontend + strategy. Each situation have been unique, however in 2005 we are planning to bring a more "wide solution" to the table. Still not hourly billed outsourcing - more like a partnership, where partners exploit one another ;-))) [/b][/quote]
Hey ya rolo

I sent you a PM

:okthumb:

Nick,

I have some good connections in Thailand for outsourcing. I was just there and met some of them personally. If you decide to go such a route, let me know.

Cory.

Dude,

Did you read this thread before you posted?

LOL

;-))))

Forest, you have PM :awinky:

back atcha

:okthumb:

Forest, email sent

Outsourcing is a fucking bitch.

Right now, I'm working with a group in the PI that seems to be another winner.

Last outsourcing job that did beyond what I expected was Mike in the PI that did the donutcash.com sites.

His work looked good. Was reasonable.