I hope Bush comes out with some more energy.

It is amazing the race is even this close with all the negative news about Iraq and WMDs coming out.

Maybe American's understand that Bush made his decision based on info he had at the time. Hind sight is definately 20/20

I am an idiot - I thought debate was tonight.

:blink:

do you mind if I attach poll to this thread?
;-)))

Mike,
Bush have chosen Friday nite for a debate for a reason...less people will be watching it
;-)))

HAHA I thought the same thing!!

Nah he won't choke...





































...unless ofcourse they are serving pretzels. :yowsa: I can only hope they will be. :matey:

the candidates dressed up as fox news anchors tonight.

Okay, since I was 100% on my prediction last time, let me make another one for this debate:

Bush, seeing that he got his ass handed to him last time because he wasn't agressive enough will come out on the attack, and in doing so, will step in a big pile of shit.

Look for a major blunder in this debate.

Alex

bush has the friday happy hour advantage ;)

and Kerry will be expecting it as well.

They did foreign policy, what's the main topic tonight?
Jobs? The economy? LOL

Kerry is the rifle and Bush is the fish in the barrell.

Domestic affairs type questions with some foreign policy tossed in too far as I have read... Town hall Q/A format but guessing questions won't be outta the blue...

Bush missed some great opportunities to slam Kerry last debate.
I blame his handlers for telling him to be nice, courting the female vote.

If he presses to hard, he could very well make a huge blunder.

Hopefully he was inspired by Cheney.

My German Shepard could have did better against kerry last debate.

When Kerry quoted his father's book, Bush could have closed out the debate and probably the race with a few good lines.

Oh well....

Yup Mike... can just hear some of Bush's book quotes now...

"I will hunt terroists on a train,
I will hunt them in the rain.
I will hunt them in a box,
I will hunt them with a fox."

HAHA I would like that.

Or do the " a sphicter says what"

Anything like this would be a hit in my book!!

:yowsa:

Obviously, Bush is better prepared. But he's still mostly on the defensive.

hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

Good one...thank you XXXPhoto!
:D

need some wood ? :lol:

Close, but I think Bush won - he was better with jokes, making people laugh which matters in debates.

I am happy Bush came out strong.

The moderator is a tool - he was trying to steal the show.

I think Bush won easily.

yup Bush did a great job :okthumb:

Bush won?

yeah,
he won my heart with his ban on Canadien drugs and the reason he gave for it-
"to make sure that those drugs cure Americans and don't kill them!"

1) how the fuck Canadiens don't die from those drugs?

2) Those are the same drugs manufactured in...USA.

Merck's vioxx kills, made in USA.

And I am pro choice, pro stem cell research and I don't need wood
;-)))

of making fool of himself.

Another Bush's snaffu when asked about future Supreme Court nomenee..

"I wouldn't apoint judge who decided that pledge of alegence is in appropriate in school because of "one nation under God".

Does he know that USA Constitution separate Church and State??
He wouldn't apoint judge who supports US Constitution?????

They both did a good job - the winner is in the ear of the beholder.........

I just like ones answers better than the other.

yes, and I have my congratulations ready...

http://www.bongmadness.com/pics/congratulations.jpg

Serge you may want to go back and study American History.

Seperation of Church and State was intended to prevent the country from having an 'official" religion, it was NEVER intended to keep God ( or any diety of yoru choice) out of life completely.

The majority of our Founding Father's were very relgious people. The USA is a Jeduo-Christian Nation.

You must be confusing Lenin and George Washington again....

Serge you may want to go back and study American History.

Seperation of Church and State was intended to prevent the country from having an 'official" religion, it was NEVER intended to keep God ( or any diety of yoru choice) out of life completely.

The majority of our Founding Father's were very relgious people. The USA is a Jeduo-Christian Nation.

You must be confusing Lenin and George Washington again.... [/b][/quote]
Mike,
Our religious fathers wrote the constitution and provisions to separate Church and State, not Church and every day's life NOT related to government activities..

Do you recall judge in Alabama who wanted to have 10 commandments statue on GOVERNMENT property?

WHY was he told to remove it if you are right and I am wrong?

do you know the answer or should I shout?

I agree that Bush did better tonight than he did in the first debate, but only in the fact that he didn't stumble over his words so badly. He seemed to me to be on the defensive. While some reported him as being more animated or passionate, I found him to be very defensive on just about everything. Seemed like he was almost yelling at some of the people who asked questions...

I am no fan of Kerry, but he is in no uncertain terms a much better debater than Bush. He carries himself well, speaks eloquently, and stays more calm and in control. He also tells the average Joe American exactly what he wants to hear. Tax the rich, better schools, better health care, blah blah blah blah blah...

Usually the challenger has to knock out the champ in order to win. I don't know if that's the case in this election...

My two cents on the issue... LOL

Mike,
Our religious fathers wrote the constitution and provisions to separate Church and State, not Church and every day's life NOT related to government activities..

Do you recall judge in Alabama who wanted to have 10 commandments statue on GOVERNMENT property?

WHY was he told to remove it if you are right and I am wrong?

do you know the answer or should I shout? [/b][/quote]


I understand that Serge. But there is a subtle distinction between SEPERATING Church and State, and complety banning the idea of God through out all aspects of life. Especially in a time where Gov't intrudes on all aspects of life...

The Founding Father's did not want an "official State religion" like there was in England and most of the world at the time. They did not want to ban religion and God from everyday life....



Why does the Supreme Court building in Washington DC have the 10 Commandments on it?

I wish Bush would have pointed out Kerry is using class warfare to try and win votes.

He did finally use the L word. I think that was important....

American's do not like liberals.... that is why Kerry has to pretend to be Conservative or moderate. Of course a quick glance at his record shows the truth.

If Kerry wins our only hope is Repubicans can keep Congress. ( I actually prefer power to be split - gridlock is good - prevents politicians from running amok)

I completely agree with you there Mike.

Speaking of jobs overseas, where are most of the Heinz factories?

:biglaugh:

Good for Bush, I guess.

2 spindoctors at work.


My girlfriend says "I hate Bush, but yea, he did "win the debate" as far as most of america is conerned"



Then I gave her some free wood. No tax cut for art students though.

Serge, even if you cannot stand Bush's religious stance - it is a smart move. The vast majority of this Country DO beleive in God, and claim it play an important roll in their lives. It is a WINNING issue for Bush.

Complete Secularism and Humanism is why Europe has become a 2nd rate power, and continues to spiral down....

Steve - you got a new girl?

the time it took me to post that i could have had
http://www.needsomewood.com site
or
http://www.needsumwood.com/

for everyone that missed, to me that was the funniest shit Bush ever said.
str8 outta Beavis and Butthead style jokes

and gotta love instand DNS.

I think we need to update the Pledge of Allegience to state:

"One nation under Allah"

How about:

"One nation under Jehovah"

My favorite is:

"One nation under Joe Pesci"

KC God is God. It depends on the person saying it. It could be Allah, Jesus Christ, Jawah, or Serge.


The notion of taking God out of overything is popular in this part of the world - ( adult internet ) But it the majority of the US its a popular issue.

I am comfortable making the heathens uncomfortable....

Hallilujah!!

Mike, when I read that, the first thought which came to my mind was:
"Cunilingus and psychatry brought us to this"
;-))

If God is responcible for America;s success-
I see ayatolah's and muslim terrorism has a very bright future,
as "God is their pilot" and go extra mile for it.

Where God has been for 150 years? America ONLY became world power after the World War II, after Europe was nearly completely destroyed in the war.

God played very important part in my business too,
following 11th commandment:
"In God we trust, all other MUST prepay" never did me wrong
;-))))

here are the results of some internet polls:
http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/result...0.content.html

http://www2.foxnews.com/polls/poll_results...__basic_955.htm

http://info.detnews.com/poll/result.cfm?to...hall_debate&end

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0%2C1413...55707%2C00.html

Same one, the film student.

Same one, the film student. [/b][/quote]
The Asian chick?

The Asian chick? [/b][/quote]
no.

she was 1 of two "fillers" when we were kinda possibly breaking up.


6 month anniversary in 2 weeks.

OK, this is the one that you didn't think was cute enough for you?

I get so confused :(

And in that 6 month, how much was "break up" time? :awinky:

I thought Bush did marginally better than last time.

As far as playing religious angles ... while Bush pandered to the "civilization as we know it will end if God is removed from the pledge" crowd, Kerry did just as well with his thoughtful answer on abortion - "I respect your right to your beliefs, but as a public servant I can't force my beliefs on other people." There are an awful lot of Roman Catholics out there - not very noisy ones, but a lot of them nonetheless - who share that belief.

I didn't watch this debate, but from everything I had read, my predicton was wrong - Bush didn't manage to make a major fuckup, although the Supreme Court thing is pretty close.

I think that Kerry is doing a very good job of staying in the game, and his performance in debate one apprears to have really put him right back to "tie with a little lead" in the polls. I truly think that most people expect their sitting president to be able to blow all competition out of the water. Bush has failed at this most massively, and instead his best is to look about average.

My big prediction? The Bush family legacy will be one term presidents.

Alex

What bothered me is that Kerry said yeah, he can't enforce his beliefs on others, while at the same time saying that he was in favor of using tax dollars to fund abortions for people who couldn't afford them. So he wouldn't force his belief that abortion is wrong on people by trying to get abortion outlawed or something, but he'd enforce the idea that abortion is a right, by forcing taxpayers who might be opposed to abortion to pay for other people's abortions.

I appreciated his honesty on the issue, even if he was circumlocutory about it, but a lot of people are not going to want to be taxed to pay for abortions. I'm one of them.

Also, Bush really sidestepped the issue about why has he not vetoed a single spending bill, and why, with a Republican Congress (supposedly the fiscal conservatives in politics), has he, a Republican President, run up spending so much. He evaded and twisted his answer all over the place. He cited the war and the recession as reasons for the huge spending, but the questioner had already accounted for those and used numbers which were altered as such. He really had no answer for why his administration makes Bill Clinton look like a right wing fanatic fiscally.

It's funny how many people I read think Bush did better this time, but most of the polls think he did a lot worst. I didn't watch either and won't be watching the 3rd one - is it just that Kerry did SO much better that the polls are weird?

What bothered me is that Kerry said yeah, he can't enforce his beliefs on others, while at the same time saying that he was in favor of using tax dollars to fund abortions for people who couldn't afford them. So he wouldn't force his belief that abortion is wrong on people by trying to get abortion outlawed or something, but he'd enforce the idea that abortion is a right, by forcing taxpayers who might be opposed to abortion to pay for other people's abortions.

I appreciated his honesty on the issue, even if he was circumlocutory about it, but a lot of people are not going to want to be taxed to pay for abortions. I'm one of them. [/b][/quote]
Buff,
as a taxpayer I am opposed to:
being taxed
having my tax dollars buy military equipment I do not approve,
pay for new china at the White House every time new president is elected,
and etc, etc, etc...

do you find my objections ridiculous?
'cuz I am surely find yours to be
;-)))

Buff,
as a taxpayer I am opposed to:
being taxed
having my tax dollars buy military equipment I do not approve,
pay for new china at the White House every time new president is elected,
and etc, etc, etc...

do you find my objections ridiculous?
'cuz I am surely find yours to be
;-))) [/b][/quote]
You missed the point. I understand that above and beyond being opposed to getting taxed in the first place, most people are opposed to specific spending that their tax dollars are going toward.

My point was that in the very same sentence that Kerry said it would be wrong for him to impose the values of some people on other people, he said he was going to impose the values of some people on other people.