Moore plays himself off as a man of the common people, fighting alongside them for their cause (mainly, anti-Bush and anti-large corporation).

He's just as much a man of the people as is our current president.

If he's going to champion capitalism, maybe he should apologize to General Motors.

From the Wikipedia entry for Roger & Me:

GM argues that the reason for its downsizing was fierce competition from Japanese auto manufacturers and that the only alternative to the factory closures in Flint would have been major government handouts or the abolishment of free trade. Moore briefly touches upon these issues, noting that GM and the factories were profitable when they were moved. He also brings attention to the opulent lifestyles of the rich, including Smith.




NEW YORK COUNTY, NY 225 W 83RD ST, UNIT 6P, NEW YORK, NY 10024

*** THIS DATA IS FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY ***

PROPERTY TRANSFER RECORD FOR NEW YORK COUNTY, NY

Buyer: MOORE, MICHAEL; GLYNN, KATHLEEN (Husband and Wife)

Buyer Mailing Address: 225 W 83RD ST, UNIT 6P, NEW YORK, NY 10024

Seller: GREENWALD, DONALD

Seller Mailing Address: 22 OREGON RD, BEDFORD, NY 10546

Property Address: 225 W 83RD ST, UNIT 6P, NEW YORK, NY 10024

**************************** SALES INFORMATION *****************************

Sale Date: 12/30/1996

Recorded Date: 1/28/1997

Sale Price: $ 4,453,750 (Sales Price Computed From Transfer Tax. No Indication Whether Tax Was Paid On Full Or Partial Consideration.)

Total Transfer Tax: $ 17,815.00

Book/Page: 2416/2034

Deed Type: CONDOMINIUM DEED

Assessor's Parcel Number: 0004-1231-1243

Legal Description: UNIT: 17L; CITY: NEW YORK; SUBDIVISION: THE BROMLEY; RECORDER'S MAP REFERENCE: MB1186 PG159

*************************** MORTGAGE INFORMATION ***************************

Lender: CHASE MANHATTAN BK

Loan Amount: $ 347,019

Term: 1/1/2027

Title Company: FIRST AMERICAN TITLE INS CO

************************* PROPERTY DESCRIPTION ***************************

Land Use: CONDOMINIUM

Bottom line

Moore's movie made 22mil in 3 days, 3.5 millions people saw it.


thats pretty much all that counts in this country.


Bottom Line= everything, from the leader of the freee world to a documentary filmmaker, eh?;)


Roger and Me was good, i would watch it at first, GM pulling out of there really did devastate Flint, MI. and the documentary wasn't as much going after big business, but showing the effects of what happens when a major company sends its labor overseas, and pulls out. It ould be like GE and P&G pulling out of ohio, or the devastation caused by the mining industry relying more on imports, mostly as favors, in WEst Virginia.


people should actually try for first hand opinions on anything. when i have something to say, i go to the source, if i have an opinion on a movie, i go see it before forming it.

Reading second hand information and taking it as a whole, is what is wrong with the Media, if it is on TV, or in the media, it has to be true. This has led to an era of misinformation and unwholly formed opinions, when a quick reading of the document, or a viewing of the film would leave a citizen with a base opinion in order to gain perspective on the effects of such media.

It is almost as if Americans have given up on thinking, forming ther own opinions, and would rather have it spoon fed to them. They dont see the whole picture, Intent, and purpose are castaway like the footnotes of a book. left in, the probitive angel is easier to see, and what you would see for yourself could be compared to what is meant by the authr/write/director. and then perspective is gained.

Knee jerk is knee jerk, no matter which knee is jerking. its spin either way.


Matt

I just got back from watching the movie. After watching it and also listening to a long interview with him and hearing his life story this weekend, i have a lot of respect for him now. His goal is to draw attention to issues that he feels are important and make the nation stop, think about those issues and discuss and debate them. He does it well. Even by doing something as innocuous as calling it a "documentary" pisses people off to the point that they have to watch it just so that they can properly attack it he is achieving his goal. It is beginning to look as if he is doing that better than anyone in contemporary history ever has. Everyone is talking. Everyone is watching his movie. Everyone has an opinion about him and his work. That is a remarkable achievement.

JMHO.

JR I have not seen the movie yet, but I have seen his others. Moore is very talented, and he is getting better. It is the people who take what he says as the truth, rather then a particular version of things that bugs me.

What Conservatives did to talk radio, this is what Moore is doing with movies.

I think this could be a new genre of films being made on both sides. Basicly 2 hour long negative campaign ads. Will be interesting to see where it goes.

it's perfectly fine that it bugs you. he is trying to bug you. if he didn't, you would not be discussing Michael Moore
:P

the fact that people take it as gospel is what causes the discussion and debate. i think it's very healthy for society. it's annoying, but healthy... much like broccoli and asparagus.

it's perfectly fine that it bugs you. he is trying to bug you. if he didn't, you would not be discussing Michael Moore
:P

the fact that people take it as gospel is what causes the discussion and debate. i think it's very healthy for society. it's annoying, but healthy... much like broccoli and asparagus. [/b][/quote]


You are more understanding then I. I still do not have patience for morons.

I am working on it though.


Right Meni?


:rolleyes:

your biased because you percieve that there are more morons on one side of the fence than the other. for every Torone, there is a Meni. i believe the system works because there is an equal number of morons on both sides. nature does it's part by constantly making sure the equation is balanced... when too many Torones come out of the wood work, more and more Meni's feel threated, become more vocal and take a stance.

i regret the fact that i am one of those morons... but i am not so naive that i can claim with a straight face that i am in the center, even though i am logical enough to understand that is the best place to be.

I love Grimm and Meni.

Oh no, I know many morons who are conservative.

Morons come in every stripe, flavor and political beleifs.

Everyone has missed the point. I don't begrudge Moore the right to be rich. I just want him to stop being a hypocrite (like Chomsky). If you hate capitalism that much, why are you enjoying the prosperity it has brought you? Instead of living in a $4million dollar condo, why aren't you living in a downtown Shitsville ghetto?

do i need to sever my spinal cord before i can fight for more wheelchair access for the handicapped?

do i need to sever my spinal cord before i can fight for more wheelchair access for the handicapped? [/b][/quote]
That's the not the same -- he ridicules others for living a lavish lifestyle and does so himself.

OK BUff but he doesn't run a corp
and outsource to Mexico
and make all of his employees seek other employment
he made it working hard
difference behind GM moving shit to Mexico
and him having a nice house
anyone see the Big One?
about downsizing?
i hate big corps
call me a faget
but no good can come from 1 or 2 companies running everything
Clear Channell owns half the stations where I live
you don't think they dictate what I can listen to on the air?
my jew friend argued to me today
about welfare
and how its make people lazy
i told him what about the corporate welfare?
what about the bail outs?
and i told him to shut the fuck up
i love that being from NH i am ruder than my fl friends

and here I thought his goal was to make money


Shows what the fuck I know :P

Ok, so it's ok to be a rich capitalist as long as you become a rich capitalist by telling everyone else what greedy fucks other rich capitalists are.

Got it, thanks, Meni.

Michael Moore has done his job, he's turning the lefty's into full blown conspiracists while cashing his checks that they paid for.

I wanna see him and O'Reily in a marriage ceremony in SF. That wedding video would sell.

God, that's the funniest thing I've read in a month. I soooo agree!

Oh no, I know many morons who are conservative.

Morons come in every stripe, flavor and political beleifs. [/b][/quote]
Even though I am sure at times I fit into your description.

That is The Pearl of the Century - even without the first half

great fuckin flick

I love Grimm and Meni. [/b][/quote]
bad touch, bad touch!;)

Read Al Franken's parts on O'Reilly in his book, very funny stuff. O'Reilly is an overblown pinhead, and a Bully. Franken brings him to his knees and delivers, what was i caled buff "a Bitch Punch".

it is amazing how right wing media never lets facts get in the way, oftentimes contradicting thei own "facts"

Fox News especially... needs better fact checkers;)

That's the not the same -- he ridicules others for living a lavish lifestyle and does so himself. [/b][/quote]
Totally see your point, and agree with you. The hypocrisy is incredible, but Moore fans will overlook it. Just like his thing about supporting American workers, using american products and services, etc, and then he gets his website designed by a Canadian design company and hosts it on a canadian webhost. Haha.

Don't even get me started on the fucking greenies driving around town in their 5 litre SUVs. The urge to kick people in the face grows every day.

Read Al Franken's parts on O'Reilly in his book, very funny stuff. O'Reilly is an overblown pinhead, and a Bully. Franken brings him to his knees and delivers, what was i caled buff "a Bitch Punch".

it is amazing how right wing media never lets facts get in the way, oftentimes contradicting thei own "facts"

Fox News especially... needs better fact checkers;)[/b][/quote]
I haven't read it. But I'll try and pick it up this weekend. I like al franken actually. He doesn't seem to be so full of himself that he can't laugh at even his own beliefs.

Ok, so it's ok to be a rich capitalist as long as you become a rich capitalist by telling everyone else what greedy fucks other rich capitalists are.

Got it, thanks, Meni. [/b][/quote]
yeah, isnt that the point?;) the greater of two evils?

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