Just saw a Bush campaign commercial which began with "I'm George Bush and I approved this commercial". Among other things, the commerical accused Kerry of "weakening the Patriot Act".

The Bush campaign seems a little lost to me. If they're trying to make civil liberties a campaign issue, I don't think they will win.

Patriot act, woohooo
scan email
that costs the FEDS money
charge users to use email
cha ching
more money

Something tells me that in 30 years, we're all going to look back at the political climate of these days and go.... "How the fuck did that happen?"

IOW, hindsight is 20/20.

Personally, I think we'll look back and say that this period was not dissimilar to periods before it.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. ;-))

IOW, hindsight is 20/20.

Personally, I think we'll look back and say that this period was not dissimilar to periods before it.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. ;-))[/b][/quote]
Yep during crises and war the Nation always tightens up liberties. It has been going on since the Wiskey Rebellion.

Yep during crises and war the Nation always tightens up liberties. It has been going on since the Wiskey Rebellion.[/b][/quote]
Tighten up liberties?????????

Liberty is supposed to be the FOUNDATION of America!

Incredible.

No surprise that I agree with that.

You aware of this fact though, correct?

You aware of this fact though, correct?[/b][/quote]
Aware? Fact? Hell if I know, Colin. I'm just an innocent Canadian bystander!

I just find it amazing that anyone would matter-of-factly say something like that, and be a red white and blue bleeding patriotic American.

Oh go ahead and say that to earn liberty you have to give it up once in awhile, but I think that's nonsense.

Aware? Fact? Hell if I know, Colin. I'm just an innocent Canadian bystander!

I just find it amazing that anyone would matter-of-factly say something like that, and be a red white and blue bleeding patriotic American.

Oh go ahead and say that to earn liberty you have to give it up once in awhile, but I think that's nonsense.[/b][/quote]
He's saying that liberties have been suspended many time during crises and war and that it's a completely normal occurance. Nothing out of the ordinary. There are hundreds of laws granting emergency powers to presidents during such times and they have been used over and over again. The Alien and Sedition Acts were passed almost as soon as the country was formed, Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, Roosevelt sent Japanese and Germans to concentration camps. These are just a few examples out of many. Maybe you think Lincoln and Roosevelt were not patriots?

It's not just true in the US. Many Constitutions provide for emergency powers during times of crises. Such times are very different than times of peace. A good example is that Canada forced many of their Japanese citizens into internment camps during World War II.

He's saying that liberties have been suspended many time during crises and war and that it's a completely normal occurance. Nothing out of the ordinary. There are hundreds of laws granting emergency powers to presidents during such times and they have been used over and over again. The Alien and Sedition Acts were passed almost as soon as the country was formed, Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, Roosevelt sent Japanese and Germans to concentration camps. These are just a few examples out of many. Maybe you think Lincoln and Roosevelt were not patriots?

It's not just true in the US. Many Constitutions provide for emergency powers during times of crises. Such times are very different than times of peace. A good example is that Canada forced many of their Japanese citizens into internment camps during World War II.[/b][/quote]
Colin this is 2004

Meni,

Try thinking a few layers deeper and maybe the obviousness of your statement will hit you.

and before that they were saying "how can this be happening in the 1970's" and "I can't believe that in the year 1941, we are being subjected to Draconian laws of the last century" - in the last century they were saying the same shit. and so on and so on and so on.

so what?

How does it feel Meni to be the only one who "get's it"?

You probably thought it was really cool for a while like being some frat boy at a party with x-ray glasses but later you realized how scary it is that everyone can't see the difference between "paranoid, insecure, delusional and neurotic" and just being "enlightened".

we will have to wait for it to be aired on Stern or South Park before that will happen.

we will have to wait for it to be aired on Stern or South Park before that will happen.[/b][/quote]
:wnw:

Best quote from the boy's commercials:

"I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS!"

Man, I don't the oval office is big enough to keep that ego in check. Talk about being so certain as to be arrogant.

Alex

and before that they were saying "how can this be happening in the 1970's" and "I can't believe that in the year 1941, we are being subjected to Draconian laws of the last century" - in the last century they were saying the same shit. and so on and so on and so on.

so what?

How does it feel Meni to be the only one who "get's it"?

You probably thought it was really cool for a while like being some frat boy at a party with x-ray glasses but later you realized how scary it is that everyone can't see the difference between "paranoid, insecure, delusional and neurotic" and just being "enlightened".[/b][/quote]
JR i love how you read my posts
and think you know me
ask anyone who's met me in person

I'm saying that now
let the religious right take away our radio shows, our tv shows, hit cable, satellite
so everything we see and hear is proper and decent

Lets go to war in Iraq, lets have Cheney's old corp rebuild Iraq
Lets not worry about the job market cuz, we are webmasters
we already work.

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