or are you giving up?
;-)))

Arouse? All I did was make an avatar.

I started none of the threads. I started none of the rants that got your monkies worked up.

Giving up? On what? The old folks peter'd out. All I do is respond, and there is nothing to respond to. So here I sit, bored. I suppose I could post some lyrics and shake my fist at the screen.

Entertain me.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 12:06 PM

Arouse? All I did was make an avatar.

I started none of the threads. I started none of the rants that got your monkies worked up.

Giving up? On what? The old folks peter'd out, all I do is respond, and there is nothing to respond to. So here I sit, bored. I suppose I could post some lyrics and shake my fist at the screen.

Entertain me.[/b][/quote]
oh, sissy boy, my daughter is in town and you are a poor replacement,
all my hopes of you are ruined now
;-(((

Arouse? All I did was make an avatar.

I started none of the threads. I started none of the rants that got your monkies worked up.

Giving up? On what? The old folks peter'd out, all I do is respond, and there is nothing to respond to. So here I sit, bored. I suppose I could post some lyrics and shake my fist at the screen.

Entertain me.[/b][/quote]
or you could make the

'i dont care, i dont have time for you, but i keep replying posts'

those are excellent retorts as well.

If youre gonna post lyrics though, make sure its some Springsteen!



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Nov 24 2003, 12:07 PM

[Labret] stood stone-like at midnight, suspended in his masquerade
[Labret] combed his hair till it was just right and commanded the night brigade
[Labret] was open to pain and crossed by the rain and [Labret] walked on a crooked crutch
[Labret] strolled all alone through a fallout zone and come out with his soul untouched
[Labret] hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, but when they said, "Sit down," he stood up
Ooh... growin' up

The flag of piracy flew from [Labret]'s mast, his sails were set wing to wing
[Labret] had a jukebox graduate for first mate, she couldn't sail but she sure could sing
[Labret] pushed a B-52 and bombed them with the blues with his gear set stubborn on standing
[Labret] broke all the rules, strafed his old high school, never once gave thought to landing
[Labret] hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, but when they said, "Come down," [Labret] threw up
Ooh... growin' up

[Labret] took month-long vacations in the stratosphere, and you know it's really hard to hold your breath
[Labret] swear he lost everything he ever loved or feared, [Labret] was the cosmic kid in full costume dress
Well, his feet they finally took root in the earth, but [Labret] got a nice little place in the stars
And [Labret]swear I found the key to the universe in the engine of an old parked car
[Labret] hid in the mother breast of the crowd, but when they said, "Pull down," he pulled up
Ooh... growin' up
Ooh... growin' up

or you could make the

'i dont care, i dont have time for you, but i keep replying posts'

those are excellent retorts as well.

If youre gonna post lyrics though, make sure its some Springsteen![/b][/quote]
If I only had a quarter every time I have heard that one. That or "I expected better from you". Better from me? On a message board? Lower your expectations of complete strangers... works for me. I consider them roughly the equivalent of "I want to give up but some miguided notion of pride prevents me".

creepy

[Labret] - if you have the time we'll start on music

We'll lay any animosities between our board personalities aside and go

My forte is American Music 1955 - current but am versed in other areas as well

want to start with the Ramones and their cultural significance?



Last edited by Vick at Nov 24 2003, 03:39 PM

Maybe labret should put a nice cartoon bunnyrabbit in his avatar, and agree with everyone on everything. That's what I plan to do when I grow up.

hahahaha


Or he could post a picture of his labret ! :agrin:

Sure, but first just let me start off by saying that no matter what you say to me regarding the corporate churned out horse shit that you are going to try and explain bears some sort of cultural significance, I will laugh at everything you have to say.

You have already proved any point I would try to make regarding "popular music".

I take a very marxist approach to popular music and its funtion. Borrowing from the Frankfurt School, popular music (ie the crap you poison yourself with) can be encompassed in three general claims. Everything you listen to is a result of standardization. To quote a man of unrivaled genius,

I can spell that out for you if it does not make any sense.

The standardization creates an atmosphere of passive listening. The vicious cycle that capitalism locks people into (work, desire for escape, work, desire for escape) leaves little energy for actual "escape". America is a nation that avoids effort. It rewards those that create things that remove effort, esp in leisure. Music is no different. Popular music is the non productive correlate to life in this country. Soulless and without value.

To argue with me about the cultural significance of the crap you love would be about as beneficial as arguing whether or not a bag of doritos or a can of pringles has more cultural significance.

Forget the third point, which wont matter anyhow as it just relates the above to the socio-psychological funtion of it all.

Carry on.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 01:24 PM

Holy shit it's Ted Kaczynski!

hahahaha


Or he could post a picture of his labret ! :agrin:[/b][/quote]
Dont have one.

Stop looking down your nose and open your mind a little - it's like a parachute, works best when open

Also you have no idea what range of music I listen to. Calling it crap before you even know what it is insults yourself

Now we're done spitting at each other

Actually I agree (to a point) and that's why the Ramones are very significant

In the USA at the end of the 70's we were subjected to disco, Saturday Night Fever, boring 10 minute long guitar/drum solos, Freebird, Peter Frampton and Stairway to Heaven - all boring and ignorant.

Devoid of any real artist merit or innovation (I know I'll get trashed from that but all of those songs/artists were played ad nausem)

Then the Ramones came along with (no artist pretensions and not a lot of technical merit) 2 minute 30 second songs, 3 chords, interesting/thought provoking lyrics, catchy Beach Boy-esque harmonies.

There were a garage band that played their first gig for 4 people, built a following of the disenfranchised when being other than mainstream and or being disenfranchised actually meant something

Their song lyrics touched places that hadn't been explored, or at least not in their fashion

Music was given back to the garage players, kids and such - at least for a short while

*side note - I find it deliciously ironic that the Ramones first records couldn't get any airplay but today are soundtrack to commercials

and from that came the Sex Pistols who were a prime example of the standardization and manipulation you speak of (they started out of a clothing store and were the puppets of their manger Malcom - at least in the beginning)

But Sid Vicious took it seriously and bled every night (I like to think that was for the corporate sins of punk) and as we all know died from a Heroin OD - another delicious irony

The boy who was a puppet and thought it was for real .......
Was a causality of his own beliefs and excesses


Beyond that I think you don't give enough credit to what is a portion of the (American) listening public

Not everyone, especially kids (teens, 20-something's) accept everything that is marketed to them and shoved (spoon fed) down their throats

Which explains the current market and may underground bands, unique sounds that haven't been homogenized and controlled


Another irony, IRL it's usually me with the disdain for the general public or as I occasionally say "I don't much care for humans"

If you pass out in Amsterdam you will have one. http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/c...g/Ink_Stab.gif

It takes more energy to frown than it does to smile. When you point your finger there are always three pointed back at you. No more cliche please.

Looking down my nose? I simply stated the truth. I agree with what I said 100%. Which is unusual as I generally accept and understand the flaw in any argument I will try and make. But when it comes to the marxist critique of the culture industry, however off the wall it may sound, I hold it as gospel. Basically flawless. Open my mind? How much more open can it be? I have taken the time to actually study every major sociological theory regarding the function of popular music in popular culture, and I have the closed mind?


?

Members of Frankfurt School talk of this extensively, the culture industry hijacking what Horkheimer calls "authentic culture", and depriving it of its critical functions.

They are not supposed to, nor do they need to. Which goes back to what I said about psuedo-standardization. You are given the illusion of choice. The mega corporations that control virtually any and all "popular music" spend freakish amounts of money and time searching for the "patterns". They can afford to generate a virtually endless supply of bands that eventually someone will buy into. If you ever get a chance, look for a documentary called the "merchants of cool". It follows groups of industry mooks as they do their job. Which is creating this illusion of choice in the music industry and dictating and identifying trends. Outside of airlines, they are one of the largest employers of sociologists.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 02:47 PM

this has been MORE THAN enough time to tread through google for some half ass reply at least!

Simplified and applied throughout other mediums
http://www.polarity1.com/bla10702.html

Beyond that it is a bit confusing that you claim open mindedness and narrow mindedness as it suits your arguments

Here your arguments/statements are sound, nothing really to refute

the entertainment industry spends immense amounts of $ and sometimes still resorts to the throw it to the wall and see what sticks theory - which success for some "breakout"/indie bands can be attributed to

Which leads me to discussing music ....... I'd be interested in hearing what you enjoy listening to. Or what musical efforts you consider interesting

You tend to discuss theory as opposed to practical applications or practicality

Also you really didn't comment on the social significance of the Ramones, they were ground breaking both musically and socially (which is odd to say musically as they were very stripped down and basic)

I threw the Sex Pistols stuff in to show "proof" of your corp music machines and for the irony

I'll keep an eye out for "merchants of cool"

Don't agree with your earlier statement that Popular music is the non productive correlate to life in this country. Soulless and without value

Or better expressed as I don't feel that about all pop music
Yes some of the homogenized, aimed at teens/20's will fit that pigeonhole but many pop musical efforts and stylings are thought provoking and well worth listing to and very enjoyable


When we have time another day I'd like to go further into "The vicious cycle that capitalism locks people into (work, desire for escape, work, desire for escape) leaves little energy for actual "escape".
America is a nation that avoids effort. It rewards those that create things that remove effort, esp in leisure. Music is no different. Popular music is the non productive correlate to life in this country. Soulless and without value"

Does the drug culture that is prevalent in America disprove or prove there is actually little energy needed or expended for escape?
What about organized religion and the effort for escape?

and enough time for you to crack open a bottle

and enough time for you to crack open a bottle[/b][/quote]
Sorry guy, I am COMPLETELY SOBER today.

Havent had a drop today, and wont until I am sitting at dinner with family on Thurs.

Thats the difference between me and you junkies!

Im leaving the house again.

Hope I dont come back to the traditional.

"YOU BEEN FUCKING PWNED' because I actually get away from the house more in one day than some of you do all week.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...7da5a16e7f009a9

Sorry guy, I am COMPLETELY SOBER today.

Havent had a drop today, and wont until I am sitting at dinner with family on Thurs.

Thats the difference between me and you junkies![/b][/quote]
I think you have me confused with someone else - not a junkie, don't play one on TV and don't drink everyday :D


Have some very tedious work I've been doing today and reading/posting here in-between

Brrr - it's too cold to leave the house for me. I'm getting ready to curl up on the sofa with a nice fire, a glass of wine and watch TiVo (or Desperado - depending on the kid). :bjump:

I'm a junkie. I have an amazing amount of junk. I like to call it "nouveau shabby". :P

I'm a junkie. I have an amazing amount of junk. I like to call it "nouveau shabby". :P[/b][/quote]
My mom calls that stuff "could be's".
It's not something right now, but with a glue gun and a dab of paint, it COULD be...

woo hoo!!

This is where I get to take sick pleasure (& revenge!!) in the fact that you are shivering with cold :biglaugh: Its our turn down under for warmth!!

I took lisa's kids to a water park on the weekend - it was about 85 with an afternoon electrical storm - we are getting a real summer this year!! (and i got bloody sunburnt!!!!)

I love summer
I love summer
I love summer
I love summer
I love summer
:P

So I'm watching the GG Allin documentary...wondering "when the fuck is Chevy or Toyota gonna come out and use some of his whacked out stuff?" Would make for some great off-road music...or music to jack a car to......

I do find it somewhat interesting that Labret can expound endlessly on what his professors have drilled into his head .....

.... but can't expound on the cultural and social significance of the Ramones ... which occured over the past 30 years

Life studied as opposed to life lived


"Beat on the Brat
Beat on the Brat
Beat on the Brat with a Baseball Bat" ... Joey Ramone 1951-2001

Gabba Gabba Hey

I find it more interesting that you are too soft in the head to take my two previous rants regarding the function of popular music and not be able to draw a logical conclusion. Do I need to hold your hand and spell it out for you?

What more do you want? The Ramones started out small, ended up co-opted by the culture industry, rendering any effect they may have had null and void. The Ramones are now used to sell Rice A Roni. Its sad, its a tragedy, may Allah kill those responsible.

And I still fail to see any of the cultural and social significance to the Ramones that you are alleged to have made.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 07:34 AM

I find it more interesting that you are too soft in the head to take my two previous rants regarding the function of popular music and not be able to draw a logical conclusion. Do I need to hold your hand and spell it out for you?

What more do you want? The Ramones started out small, ended up co-opted by the culture industry, rendering any effect they may have had null and void. The Ramones are now used to sell Rice A Roni. Its sad, its a tragedy, may Allah kill those responsible.

And I still fail to see any cultural and social significance of the Ramones. All you did was give a brief history and your opinion. Yay.[/b][/quote]
My boys at Big Champaign still want to know where that mp3 dump is that you run.

Its not phony....its Sony.

I could care less what you and your friends want. What is it you expect of me? Do you feel left out? Do you need some attention? Did you think I would just add an account for you and allow you access? Go away.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 07:37 AM

I rang - you answered - thank you

Ah you miss the point grasshopper

Outside of your comfortable Academia, with a subject that hasn't been drilled into your head that you can quote by rote .....

....so you try to dismiss it or apply what you have learned to it


The Ramones are significant in and to the cultural and social development of the late 20th century -

But I won't spell it out for you like your professors do so you can spit it back later after you learn -

You enjoy learning - here's another opportunity for you. Go study and come back and we'll discuss more


Did you know the capitol of the world - New York City is dedicating the corner of Bowery and Second Street as Joey Ramone Place?

On Sunday, November 30, 2003 the City of New York will officially name the corner of Bowery and Second Street "Joey Ramone Place" in a ceremony to recognize Joey Ramone's historic achievements





Last edited by Vick at Nov 25 2003, 11:07 AM

nah I just figured Id see how youd react to a little prodding from the low tech side of the fence. Im in total awe of your piracy skills. Please continue to tell us all how smart you are.... :matey:

I rang - you answered - thank you

Ah you miss the point grasshopper

Outside of your comfortable Academia, with a subject that hasn't been drilled into your head that you can quote by rote .....

....so you try to dismiss it or apply what you have learned to it


The Ramones are significant in and to the cultural and social development of the late 20th century -

But I won't spell it out for you like your professors do so you can spit it back later after you learn -

You enjoy learning - here's another opportunity for you. Go study and come back and we'll discuss more


Did you know the capitol of the world - New York City is dedicating the corner of Bowery and Second Street as Joey Ramone Place?

On Sunday, November 30, 2003 the City of New York will officially name the corner of Bowery and Second Street "Joey Ramone Place" in a ceremony to recognize Joey Ramone's historic achievements[/b][/quote]

for the love of christ.

There is no cultural and social significance of the Ramones. No more so than any other small punk band that eventually gets sucked into the machine. Jesus, did you live through the 90s? I can name 50 other bands that fit the bill.

I am glad you like to showcase your Ramones knowledge, I am real impressed.

why don't we talk about the "love of Christ"?

I can impress you with my knowledge too....

I hate to say this , but I agree with Labret. :zoinks:

The Ramones sucked.


:nyanya:

One would think that being the highly educated person that you are, you'd know the correct phrase is "I couldn't care less....". :) Unless, of course, you really DO care what Gonzo and his friends want. B)

One would think that being the highly educated person that you are, you'd know the correct phrase is "I couldn't care less....". :) Unless, of course, you really DO care what Gonzo and his friends want. B)[/b][/quote]
he does....wanna see the face of
"Gentlier and kinder Labret"?
;-))

Outside of your comfortable Academia, with a subject that hasn't been drilled into your head that you can quote by rote .....

....so you try to dismiss it or apply what you have learned to it


You really don't know do you?

Something that hasn't been spoon fed to your education, you can't answer

Let's see if you're the student you claim to be, this is right in with your interests


Think there's room for you in the Hall and Oats fan club?



Oops I edited a post instead fo making a new one, please forgive the error

I'll be watching you















oh gawd, kill me now
spaz

What is it with people and reading comprehension around here.

I did not say the Ramones sucked.

All I said basically was arguing the "social and cultural significance" of the Ramones is about as valid as arguing the significance of a bag of Doritos. Both are nothing more than a corporate product. And moreso now than ever before even by dipshits own admission.

His limited proof for significance? This is a good one, I almost spit up... mainstream recognition. The very thing I argue robs them of any validity in both my previous posts. He will never get it.

And the clincher, at first he wants me to address it, when I ask him to explain the major significance so I can address it, I get: "but I won't spell it out for you like your professors do so you can spit it back later after you learn". Yeah, ok.

Significance of the Ramones. ahahaha



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 08:13 AM

Is he another fan of the fur coat? :P

Nick - it's doesn't matter if they sucked

it's the cultural and social changes started and brought about by the Ramones


[Labret] is being challenged with something he doesn't know, that his professors haven't taught him


I've giving him the opportunity to be a student

I see your Evvvvvvvvvvvvvery move
clap clap



















someone! please, gouge my eyes out!

spaz

ahahahahahhahaha

What the fuck do you two want ""A 1000 word essay on the Social and cultural signifigance of the Romones""??? LOL

I used to give punishments like that when I was a prefect!! LOL

Spam is good ,M'Kay.

I'm a spammer ,man!!! Not a sociology student!!!!

Next you'll be discussing Home Economics for fuck sake!

;-))))

Labret is logged on, why hasn't he replied to Vicks post? Is he researching to find out what Vick is talking about? Calling a trusted and special professor?


spaz

and the funny/ironic this is .....

Almost everyone here can answer the question what are the cultural and social changes started and brought about by the Ramones ....


.... except Labret

For all his education he stammers, stutters, hems and haws and tried to dismiss what he hasn't been taught

Labret, do I have to teach you elementary and most effective methods of board warfare?
\
just say magic words:
I don't know" and learn something..

I do this all the time.

What exactly is there to respond to?

I say there is no cultural significance, I have said it 5 fucking times.

He says there is but fails to say what they are.

Again, I say there is not. I have already argued why there is not. It is now up to him to argue why there is.

You people are mildly retarded.

I can't and I don';t care...who the fuck are Ramones?

are the Beatles? Presley? Rolling Stones?

if I haven't heard of them in Russia, they gotta be insignificant
;-))

it's NICE to be old....
;-))))