You seem to claim to be wise to the ways of the adult net. You also said that you do content (not sure if adult or mainstream), but haven't seen a sig line. Haven't seen you actually try to promote anything expect pissing with Serge.

So, what's the story dude ?

I have nothing to sell here. I have five websites and I only do retail. I am not a great believer in affiliate programmes but I didn't want to bring that up because it has been such a sore point in the past. Edit: And I never came here just to piss as you would see by my first ever post. I had an issue with Spamateurmasters so after consultation, I thought it would be a good outlet. But my good friend JMM, jumped in with his usual "your career is over" line and it kind of just spun out of control. I really was told that Serge was good at it, so I just kind of rode the wave. I have been wrong before. So that's the story. I am a content and content guy if you get my meaning.



Last edited by J'springer at Nov 11 2003, 03:58 PM

Rule number one, don't bitch about one board on another board :) (Unless it's GFY your'e bitchin about).... :yowsa:

Thank you for the reply.....

btw...welcome to Oprano :)

So, you don't do content wholesale... Bummer... Everyone is always looking for fresh content....

oh well...

Oh I know board rules, S. Not to worry. Content is easy but wholesale is just too much work. I am working on getting a couple of more sites happening so I am kind of flat out busy at the moment. But if you ever have any special requests, well you never know.

J'springer - Let's see some of your work .... please

Ditto... As Vick and I are both familiar with each other's work,
we would be very interested in seeing the quality of other
content providers...

I too am only concentrating in the retail end of the market,
and would like to know how you have done, in terms of
retaining market share, over the last 2-3 years.



Last edited by nlphoto at Nov 11 2003, 08:33 PM

Ditto... As Vick and I are both familiar with each other's work,
we would be very interested in seeing the quality of other
content providers...

I too am only concentrating in the retail end of the market,
and would like to know how you have done, in terms of
retaining market share, over the last 2-3 years.[/b][/quote]
Well here's a couple of happy snaps for you. I do vintage glamour style work. Nice little end of the world. Business is very steady. I make more money by adding sites. Market share? No clue really. I just keep in keepin on and judge my success by my bank deposits. Its a market that pitches and yaws a lot.
If you want to discuss this more, why don't you move it over to the new amateur board.


http://www.ffstockings.com/julia/photos/im...es/london3p.jpg
http://www.girlsingirdles.com/photos/images/sara4p.jpg

From the pics and domain names, it looks like you're working in my niche!
Good choice. :okthumb:

Cool - I've seen the Julia pics for sale somewhere I think or at least I've seen the pics before

Interesting work, decent pics, good composition

Am guessing those domain aren't yours as they are registered to

Smith, Julia julia@ffstockings.com
Rosedale Entertainment
suite 60, 3305 Spring Mountain road
las Vegas, Nevada 89102
US

huh?

So this isn't you then?
GISIN, VICK VICK@CLOUD9MODELS.COM
6984 DUCKETTS LANE
ELKRIDGE, MD 21075
US
410-579-8636



Last edited by J'springer at Nov 11 2003, 08:28 PM

The pic of Julia actually reminds me of Sabby's "sister" character with her brown wig on. (Not meant to start anything re: Sabby, just looks a lot like her.)

I am sure Sabby would be flattered. :rolleyes:

huh?

So this isn't you then?
GISIN, VICK VICK@CLOUD9MODELS.COM
6984 DUCKETTS LANE
ELKRIDGE, MD 21075
US
410-579-8636[/b][/quote]
That is me 100%

Real business addy and real email
Thanks for posting it


edit - and everyone who matters already knew that :o



Last edited by Vick at Nov 11 2003, 11:34 PM

but the question now is

is that really your work or ....... ?

I'd like to think that is is but .......

I don't think you were being accused of anything....

I think Vick was merely noting that it was your work on Julia's domain...

at least that's the way I read it....

I could be wrong, I often am

:yowsa:

Nice work btw.....

But what vick?
What is this 20 questions? I think you might just want to take your foot out of your mouth before your embarass yourself. Remember, I have never heard of you before, nor visited Hanibal Lector, or no fatchicks nor odd insertions or whatever else it is you do, but I don't question your veracity. I will let it slide this time. OK?

I don't think you were being accused of anything....

I think Vick was merely noting that it was your work on Julia's domain...

at least that's the way I read it....

I could be wrong, I often am

:yowsa:

Nice work btw.....[/b][/quote]
Why thanks Sarettah. That was very nice of you.

Don't automatically jump to the defensive. Vick complimented your photos and then asked if the domains were yours, he was assuming that they weren't since they were registered to a woman.

Fat chicks and odd insertions? Calm down. Sheesh.

J'springer - good piece of advice
Don't risk having to face my rancor

I'll make you cry and find it amusing

I wonder if you are in fact the photographer who took those pics?

Is Julia a real person or a pseudonym you're using?

If you in fact took the pics it is good work, but have I seen them for sale somewhere?

Can you post anymore pics you took and put them on a domain you actually own?

and you're only finding a fraction of my domains and business :yowsa:

Careful now .....


edit - p.s. me thinks thou protest too much, I hope I'm wrong



Last edited by Vick at Nov 11 2003, 11:54 PM

I never intended to do a roll call of domains. I am sure they are all available for those who are curious. I don't really care about threats which this is. Why you threaten is beyond me. Shall we just leave it at that?
Oh and could you please explain exactly what will happen if I am not careful. I am very curious. I would like you to spell it out for me.
What is this really all about? I actually tried to be nice to you dude and you threaten with whatever it is you are about to tell me.

J'springer - you avoid the questions

Did you really take those pics? If so I'll say it's good work (you haven't been around long enough to know my standards for photo quality and what that can mean)

If you did take those pics can you post any more on a domain you actually own?

Please don't use the word "dude" when corresponding with me, we can leave the vernacular of the peasantry for the peasants.

Let's stick to the issue here, are you really the photographer and can you prove it in any way?

Any one can link to pics and say it's their work, I need something more as proof

Let's discuss. I have no reason to prove anything to you. I don't even know you. What's in it for me really? I am not here to produce a cv. I would guess you are a babe in the photography department unless I miss my guess so I really have nothing to prove to you. Now don't get me wrong, I am not insulting you, but I doubt you have a huge amount of experience but I could be wrong about that. Remember you asked me to post a couple of examples of my work and I obliged. Now, as Hannibal Lecter would say....quid pro quo.
Please note I did not use dude anywhere in this post.

I just don't understand how "Carrie" can be construed as male and "Vick" could be construed as female. "Vic" maybe, as in Victoria; but not "Vick".

I guess we're just gender-benders. :awinky:

Btw - Vick is a babe, but not in the senses that you seem to mean. :groucho:

(IE neither female nor inexperienced.)

Gee, there, J'Springer, with the eloquent and mature record you have established for yourself in your short time around here, I can only imagine your suprise at being questioned.

As for Vick having his foot in his mouth?

Drugs are bad.

I am sorry Carrie. I am working too hard today. That post just went right by me. What are you referring to?

Why would you question an elegant and mature record?

Carrie, experience is like time. It is relative.

its late dude, sarcasm just flys by me at this hour. I have been cutting far too long today. Sorry

I am sorry Carrie. I am working too hard today. That post just went right by me. What are you referring to?[/b][/quote]
When you referred to Vick as a "babe", I thought for a moment that you were inferring that he was female.
It didn't hit me until after I posted that you were probably saying he was inexperienced in photography.
Been a long day for me, too.

When you referred to Vick as a "babe", I thought for a moment that you were inferring that he was female.
It didn't hit me until after I posted that you were probably saying he was inexperienced in photography.
Been a long day for me, too.[/b][/quote]
Yes it was the latter. I understand. So you do the same kind of work as me? what is your website?

Yep I am ah ha ha ha ha ha

I would suggest you learn a little about the industry and the people in it
( 2 of the people you have been pissing with - JMM and Diamond Jim are men with great minds and both have impressive accomplishments)

Your request is fair enough (even though it still sidesteps your giving proof that is your work) and gives me a promotional op

Entered the on-line adult entertainment business in 1997 as a paysite owner and operator. At that time along with my former partner we started paysites and branched out into the content business (which I removed myself from a few years back)

Beyond that I own the affiliate program Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com which has done well for both the affiliates and myself (very good conversion rates and excellent member retention)

Furthermore I am a partner in the affiliate program We Pay You http://www.wepayu.com which has shown nice returns for our affiliates

Also own and operate a small double opt-in email program and previous to that operated and wrote 2 other double opt in email publications with subscriber bases of 500K+

Plus I was involved with a mainstream advertising concern including helping to launch their subscriber based email publications and being a part of their new product development team

Beyond that I am a published author and have been a featured speaker at the University of Maryland

Now that I've thrown all modesty to the side (and feel sheepish for doing so) and tooted my horn (am sure I'm forgetting some things)

Did you really take those pics?
Can you prove it?

quid pro quo as you said


Edit for a typo



Last edited by Vick at Nov 12 2003, 12:43 AM

I don't do professional photography, just been a trigger-happy nut on a personal level since I was a kid. I was the nerd walking around high school with a Canon AE-1 hanging around my neck snapping candids for the yearbook. :)
In this industry, I'm a consumer, not a producer. (Dangit.)

As for sites, far too many to mention on a plain webmaster level, but my partner and I just launched www.PantyhoseNation.com and our stockings (as in thigh-highs and garters) site should be up in a few days.

Yep I am ah ha ha ha ha ha

I would suggest you learn a little about the industry and the people in it
( 2 of the people you have been pissing with - JMM and Diamond Jim are men with great minds and both have impressive accomplishments)

Your request is fair enough (even though it still sidesteps your giving proof that is your work) and gives me a promotional op

Entered the on-line adult entertainment business in 1997 as a paysite owner and operator. At that time along with my former partner we started paysites and branched out into the content business (which I removed myself from a few years back)

Beyond that I own the affiliate program Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com which has done well for both the affiliates and myself (very good conversion rates and excellent member retention)

Furthermore I am a partner in the affiliate program We Pay You http://www.wepayu.com which has shown nice returns for our affiliates

Also own and operate a small double opt-in email program and previous to that operated and wrote 2 other double opt in email publications with subscriber bases of 500K+

Plus I was involved with a mainstream adversing concern including helping to launch their subscriber based email publications and being a part of their new product development team

Beyond that I am a published author and have been a featured speaker at the University of Maryland

Now that I've thrown all modesty to the side (and feel sheepish for doing so) and tooted my horn (am sure I'm forgetting some things)

Did you really take those pics?
Can you prove it?

quid pro quo as you said


Edit for a typo [/b][/quote]
OK, then I was right. You sound like you have very impressive business credentials but you are, indeed, a junior photographer. I have been taking pictures for a living since 1975 and have shot documentaries around the world and currently photograph feature films for amusement when I am not too busy doing this. You might have seen some of my work. I am not about to broadcast my cv on a pornographic webmaster board. I only tell you this because you asked. If you need any further proof of the credibility of my photographs, you may ask Emma or Danny if that is indeed mine. Emma and Billy have both been to my studio and am confident will assure you that this is, indeed, my work. Now can we put this to bed?
"I would suggest you learn a little about the industry and the people in it"
I know full well who JMM is. Diamond Jim....no idea nor do I care. When someone decides they are going to piss on me from a great height, then they deserve the same respect. You know this business is still very young. Icons come and go and making money is not the only yardstick of success in life. If DJ would lighten up then this would all go away. I don't think that is going to happen though.





Last edited by J'springer at Nov 11 2003, 09:49 PM

I'll go for putting it to bed if you'll go for a kinder, gentler J'springer and knock all the pissing nonsense off

Fair enough?

I think if you were to re read a lot of those threads, you would see that a lot of my posts are actually reactive. If all of those who decided for whatever reason to take me on will lay off, of course I will.

Damn it springer you couldn't even lay off for 2 minutes while I tried to negotiate a peace - see your post in the millionaire thread

To my esteemed colleagues who took umbrage at remarks in this thread and came to my defense - many thanks

to quote Telly Salavas - who loves ya baby

Good night to all and to all a good night

No offense, Vick. You seem like an ok guy. But if I wanted a mediator I would have a: asked for your help or b: called Kofi Annan. This is not Iraq, Iraq is amateurmasters.
I would think you have no need to apologise btw.

Couple of nice samples there J's...

I certainly like the vintage glamour style... my own work is also
glamour style as well, though not specifically vintage... you can
feel free to check out my site by going to my Oprano profile.
If you want more details, how long I've been shooting, etc.
just ask... not gonna bore people with that if they're not
interested.

Thanks. I will drop by your place. I have to run in a few minutes. Shooting all day with new talent. You never know what to expect but it keeps things interesting. But we should chat. Nice to see that there are a few snappers around here.

Smith, Julia=J'Springer????

I could have sworn that it was "HE"....

interesting......

I'll have a link to you up later today from the main site... :)

Damn you are perceptive Serge. How could I have underestimated you as badly as I did?

Ive held my tongue long enough!

NO THEY ARE NOT!!!

:awinky:

I'll have a link to you up later today from the main site... :)[/b][/quote]
Thanks! I'm still fleshing out the 'store' inside the member's area but I think I'm going to make a custom odd-sized ad for you with one of your pics.
We've got it set up for a 50/50 revshare program but it's through probilling at the moment while we get our stable of sites built, you're free to join it but we will be switching over to Epoch once our third site is up and ready so you might want to wait. (If you're gonna have a link up, may as well make something from it, eh? :))

No problem... link's up, so LMK when the revshare is setup!

:awinky:

Nice pictures. That a canon? :D :unsure:
We are working in a similar world.

FYI, I had a couple of problems viewing your pop ups on IE. Get back to me if you want some details. Just trying to help.

Ive held my tongue long enough!

NO THEY ARE NOT!!!

:awinky:[/b][/quote]
You, sir, are quite an eloquent arguement for one side of the argument ... or maybe the other. I like, can't remember, man ...

Yep I am ah ha ha ha ha ha

I would suggest you learn a little about the industry and the people in it
( 2 of the people you have been pissing with - JMM and Diamond Jim are men with great minds and both have impressive accomplishments)

Your request is fair enough (even though it still sidesteps your giving proof that is your work) and gives me a promotional op

Entered the on-line adult entertainment business in 1997 as a paysite owner and operator. At that time along with my former partner we started paysites and branched out into the content business (which I removed myself from a few years back)

Beyond that I own the affiliate program Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com which has done well for both the affiliates and myself (very good conversion rates and excellent member retention)

Furthermore I am a partner in the affiliate program We Pay You http://www.wepayu.com which has shown nice returns for our affiliates

Also own and operate a small double opt-in email program and previous to that operated and wrote 2 other double opt in email publications with subscriber bases of 500K+

Plus I was involved with a mainstream advertising concern including helping to launch their subscriber based email publications and being a part of their new product development team

Beyond that I am a published author and have been a featured speaker at the University of Maryland

Now that I've thrown all modesty to the side (and feel sheepish for doing so) and tooted my horn (am sure I'm forgetting some things)

Did you really take those pics?
Can you prove it?

quid pro quo as you said


Edit for a typo [/b][/quote]
Vick...

You forgot 'animal husbandry' and Magic Shoppes!

Watch me make this goat disappear... ohhhhhhhh... lol