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DAMNMAN 11-04-2003 05:23 PM

I'm wondering if I'm the only one or is any other content provider(s) having problems with Card Services International and Authorize.net?

ZMASTER's Card Services merchant account was terminated without so much as a how ya doin'. Apparently they looked at ZMASTER and decided we were a run of the mill adult membership site not a shopping cart based site selling goods.

Card Services cited that we were selling payperview adult movies, ZMASTER has an AEBN video on demand payperview link on the index page and as we all know it is just a sponsor link page. But Card Services swore up and down that ZMASTER was doing the billing for the payperview. (AEBN)

I finally got Card Services to see that this AEBN page was an affiliate program and not billed through ZMASTER's merchant account and made them see that they had made a mistake.

Now by way of covering their own asses for their mistake they are saying that B2B ZIP licensed adult content downloads fall under the same guidelines as membership based sites.

Now they are trying to charge ZMASTER the VISA $750.00 and $1000.00 for Master Card to process content sold on ZMASTER.com.

I am currently trying to explain to them what ZMASTER does, but I may have to remove all content downloads from the ZMASTER.com site and just sell the CDs via mail again like in the old days to keep my merchant processing. I'm sure I will loose a large portion of my business at that time so I'll most likely pay the extortion charge.

To say that the people I have spoken to over at Card Services are stupid would be doing a disservice to stupid idiots eveywhere.

Is anyone else having issues with processing for content sales?
:wankit:

Winetalk.com 11-04-2003 05:25 PM

Doug, are you comming with the family for Thanksgiving????

Peaches 11-04-2003 05:26 PM

Hey! I was just asking a couple of weeks where you were. :( I don't know nuthin' bout no card services, but stay and hang around a bit, OK? :)

Dianna Vesta 11-04-2003 05:29 PM

I've had an account with them for almost 8 years. It's all about ratio. Especially now.

FYI- I don't use them for subscription sales any longer. Mostly for products and client billing.

DAMNMAN 11-04-2003 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 4 2003, 05:33 PM
Doug, are you comming with the family for Thanksgiving????
If you guys are cookin' we'll be there, can't violate tradition.
I was going to email you tonight and touch base, 'cause it's been a while and I've been psycho-busy lately.

Winetalk.com 11-04-2003 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN+Nov 4 2003, 05:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DAMNMAN @ Nov 4 2003, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 4 2003, 05:33 PM
Doug, are you comming with the family for Thanksgiving????
If you guys are cookin' we'll be there, can't violate tradition.
I was going to email you tonight and touch base, 'cause it's been a while and I've been psycho-busy lately.[/b][/quote]
Doug, we ARE cooking, my daughter will be here, so we allocate 5 extra chairs for the family...unless mom brings a boyfriend!
;-))

we spoke about it yesterday as a matter o9f fact, looking forward to it, you and family are penciled in!
;-)))

jact 11-04-2003 05:35 PM

This is infact quite common, as downloadable "ZIP" content is "high risk" as there's no tangiable goods involved, you will be required to pay the high risk fees to both Visa and Mastercard. Unless your sales don't warrent payment of the $1750.00 there's no way I'd not pay it if the option is there. You'll lose too many customers if you remove the option IMO.

It is pretty sad that they lump us into the same class as a membership site that generates chargebacks and refunds left and right just for having downloadable content, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

DAMNMAN 11-04-2003 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Nov 4 2003, 05:37 PM
I've had an account with them for almost 8 years. It's all about ratio. Especially now.

FYI- I don't use them for subscription sales any longer. Mostly for products and client billing.

Yeah, we've had an account with them since we bought ZMASTER in 2001 and the previous owners had account swith them dating back to when Jesus was beatin' his meat to a stone tablet porno mag.

DAMNMAN 11-04-2003 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 4 2003, 05:34 PM
Hey! I was just asking a couple of weeks where you were. :( I don't know nuthin' bout no card services, but stay and hang around a bit, OK? :)
Hi Peaches

What's new scoobie doo?

DAMNMAN 11-04-2003 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 4 2003, 05:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 4 2003, 05:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -DAMNMAN@Nov 4 2003, 05:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano
Quote:

@Nov 4 2003, 05:33 PM
Doug, are you comming with the family for Thanksgiving????


If you guys are cookin' we'll be there, can't violate tradition.
I was going to email you tonight and touch base, 'cause it's been a while and I've been psycho-busy lately.

Doug, we ARE cooking, my daughter will be here, so we allocate 5 extra chairs for the family...unless mom brings a boyfriend!
;-))

we spoke about it yesterday as a matter o9f fact, looking forward to it, you and family are penciled in!
;-)))[/b][/quote]
MoM called today and asked about you guys and if we were still goin' over there.
I told her it's a tradition that Serge and I would really like to uphold, besides when else do Kat and I get a chance to see you guys anymore?

Peaches 11-04-2003 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN+Nov 4 2003, 06:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DAMNMAN @ Nov 4 2003, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Nov 4 2003, 05:34 PM
Hey! I was just asking a couple of weeks where you were. :( I don't know nuthin' bout no card services, but stay and hang around a bit, OK? :)
Hi Peaches

What's new scoobie doo?[/b][/quote]
Are you and Shannon coming to Vegas?

DAMNMAN 11-04-2003 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches+Nov 4 2003, 05:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Nov 4 2003, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -DAMNMAN@Nov 4 2003, 06:47 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Peaches
Quote:

@Nov 4 2003, 05:34 PM
Hey! I was just asking a couple of weeks where you were. :( I don't know nuthin' bout no card services, but stay and hang around a bit, OK? :)


Hi Peaches

What's new scoobie doo?

Are you and Shannon coming to Vegas?[/b][/quote]
That's a firm maybe!

Hey did you ever get your studly carpenter to let you take pictures of his wood?

Peaches 11-04-2003 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN@Nov 4 2003, 06:54 PM
That's a firm maybe!

Hey did you ever get your studly carpenter to let you take pictures of his wood?

No. :( The termite guy was cute, but he's married with 3 kids and another on the way. :P

*KK* 11-04-2003 05:50 PM

Hey Doug, whats your email, I want to talk to you a bit about this :)

DAMNMAN 11-04-2003 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by *KK*@Nov 4 2003, 05:58 PM
Hey Doug, whats your email, I want to talk to you a bit about this :)
doug at zmaster.com

DAMNMAN 11-04-2003 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches+Nov 4 2003, 05:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Nov 4 2003, 05:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--DAMNMAN@Nov 4 2003, 06:54 PM
That's a firm maybe!

Hey did you ever get your studly carpenter to let you take pictures of his wood?

No. :( The termite guy was cute, but he's married with 3 kids and another on the way. :P[/b][/quote]
The termite guy can protect the carpenters wood though!!!

*KK* 11-04-2003 06:17 PM

You've got mail Doug :)

gonzo 11-04-2003 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN@Nov 4 2003, 05:31 PM
I'm wondering if I'm the only one or is any other content provider(s) having problems with Card Services International and Authorize.net?

ZMASTER's Card Services merchant account was terminated without so much as a how ya doin'. Apparently they looked at ZMASTER and decided we were a run of the mill adult membership site not a shopping cart based site selling goods.

Card Services cited that we were selling payperview adult movies, ZMASTER has an AEBN video on demand payperview link on the index page and as we all know it is just a sponsor link page. But Card Services swore up and down that ZMASTER was doing the billing for the payperview. (AEBN)

I finally got Card Services to see that this AEBN page was an affiliate program and not billed through ZMASTER's merchant account and made them see that they had made a mistake.

Now by way of covering their own asses for their mistake they are saying that B2B ZIP licensed adult content downloads fall under the same guidelines as membership based sites.

Now they are trying to charge ZMASTER the VISA $750.00 and $1000.00 for Master Card to process content sold on ZMASTER.com.

I am currently trying to explain to them what ZMASTER does, but I may have to remove all content downloads from the ZMASTER.com site and just sell the CDs via mail again like in the old days to keep my merchant processing. I'm sure I will loose a large portion of my business at that time so I'll most likely pay the extortion charge.

To say that the people I have spoken to over at Card Services are stupid would be doing a disservice to stupid idiots eveywhere.

Is anyone else having issues with processing for content sales?
:wankit:

Look out I smell an epassporte ad comin thru!

Winetalk.com 11-05-2003 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN@Nov 4 2003, 05:51 PM

I told her it's a tradition that Serge and I would really like to uphold, besides when else do Kat and I get a chance to see you guys anymore?

well, let's re-unite Kat with her cousin, if he promises not to drink and drive
;-))))

PeerPatrick 11-05-2003 09:35 AM

Hey Doug, good talking to you this morning. This thing with CardServices is pretty messed up. You would think an adult CC processor would have to operate professionally, equitably and honestly...ok well at least take care of their customers and not try to rob them at gunpoint.

If there is anything I can do to help the situation, let me know. If anyone has any questions, contact me.
patrick@aebn.net ICQ 150599121

DAMNMAN 11-05-2003 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 5 2003, 05:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 5 2003, 05:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--DAMNMAN@Nov 4 2003, 05:51 PM

I told her it's a tradition that Serge and I would really like to uphold, besides when else do Kat and I get a chance to see you guys anymore?

well, let's re-unite Kat with her cousin, if he promises not to drink and drive
;-))))[/b][/quote]
As for Voodooman
Someone has to get his keys away from him before he has his first drink or we're going to go through the same shit as last time havin' to wrestle them away from his big dumb ass as he's tryin' to drive away, when he's completely trashed!!!

And since he's reading this post we'll have to check for duplicate sets of keys hidden somewhere on his person.

(Note: if we have to check his private areas for spare keys we can skip it and he can drive himself home!!!)

Winetalk.com 11-05-2003 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN+Nov 5 2003, 09:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DAMNMAN @ Nov 5 2003, 09:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 5 2003, 05:25 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--DAMNMAN
Quote:

@Nov 4 2003, 05:51 PM

I told her it's a tradition that Serge and I would really like to uphold, besides when else do Kat and I get a chance to see you guys anymore?


well, let's re-unite Kat with her cousin, if he promises not to drink and drive
;-))))

As for Voodooman
Someone has to get his keys away from him before he has his first drink or we're going to go through the same shit as last time havin' to wrestle them away from his big dumb ass as he's tryin' to drive away, when he's completely trashed!!!

And since he's reading this post we'll have to check for duplicate sets of keys hidden somewhere on his person.

(Note: if we have to check his private areas for spare keys we can skip it and he can drive himself home!!!)[/b][/quote]
Doug, no dupes...LL will strip search him herself..

Lube - check!
Latex Glove - check!
Flash Light - check!
Drain Cleaning Kit - check!

if I forgotanything - feel free to bring your own "tools"
;-)))

voodooman 11-05-2003 09:53 AM

This just goes to show, you're not as smart as you think you are.

I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VEHICLE.

<sigh>

voodooman 11-05-2003 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 5 2003, 08:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 5 2003, 08:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -DAMNMAN@Nov 5 2003, 09:54 AM
Quote:

Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 5 2003, 05:25 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--DAMNMAN

Quote:

Quote:

@Nov 4 2003, 05:51 PM

I told her it's a tradition that Serge and I would really like to uphold, besides when else do Kat and I get a chance to see you guys anymore?


well, let's re-unite Kat with her cousin, if he promises not to drink and drive
;-))))


As for Voodooman
Someone has to get his keys away from him before he has his first drink or we're going to go through the same shit as last time havin' to wrestle them away from his big dumb ass as he's tryin' to drive away, when he's completely trashed!!!

And since he's reading this post we'll have to check for duplicate sets of keys hidden somewhere on his person.

(Note: if we have to check his private areas for spare keys we can skip it and he can drive himself home!!!)

Doug, no dupes...LL will strip search him herself..

Lube - check!
Latex Glove - check!
Flash Light - check!
Drain Cleaning Kit - check!

if I forgotanything - feel free to bring your own "tools"
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Serge,

Whats the flashlight for?

:wankit:

DAMNMAN 11-05-2003 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PeerPatrick@Nov 5 2003, 09:43 AM
Hey Doug, good talking to you this morning. This thing with CardServices is pretty messed up. You would think an adult CC processor would have to operate professionally, equitably and honestly...ok well at least take care of their customers and not try to rob them at gunpoint.

If there is anything I can do to help the situation, let me know. If anyone has any questions, contact me.
patrick@aebn.net ICQ 150599121

Hi Patrick

Good talking to you as well and thanks for your concern.

Card Services is just stupid and didn't have the brains to realize that my payperview page was your AEBN sponsor page and they shut my processing down (It's no fault of AEBN whatsoever).
Card Services is now trying to find excuses to make me pay their extortion money and cover their original mistake.

Winetalk.com 11-05-2003 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by voodooman@Nov 5 2003, 10:03 AM

Serge,

Whats the flashlight for?

:wankit:

Flashlight is needed, according to MikeW, to blind you, thus making the whole procedure less taxing mentally on your visuals and entire system....plus...
I'd HATE to forget or leave valuable tools in some of your body cavities,
flash light is good for searches
;-)))

DAMNMAN 11-05-2003 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by voodooman@Nov 5 2003, 10:01 AM
This just goes to show, you're not as smart as you think you are.

I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VEHICLE.

<sigh>

That doesn't matter to Serge I have a feeling you're getting a cavity search from Serge on turkeyday.

Come on Voodooman be a sport I'm sure the search will bring back memories of the old days.

(Serge you forgot the turkey baster, Please use a different one than on the bird!!!!)

Winetalk.com 11-05-2003 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN+Nov 5 2003, 10:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DAMNMAN @ Nov 5 2003, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--voodooman@Nov 5 2003, 10:01 AM
This just goes to show, you're not as smart as you think you are.

I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VEHICLE.

<sigh>

That doesn't matter to Serge I have a feeling you're getting a cavity search from Serge on turkeyday.

Come on Voodooman be a sport I'm sure the search will bring back memories of the old days.

(Serge you forgot the turkey baster, Please use a different one than on the bird!!!!)[/b][/quote]
baster???

I don't wanna give Voodoo an artificial insemination!

We might engage Dianna Vesta just for that!
;-)))

DAMNMAN 11-05-2003 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 5 2003, 10:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 5 2003, 10:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -DAMNMAN@Nov 5 2003, 10:10 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--voodooman
Quote:

@Nov 5 2003, 10:01 AM
This just goes to show, you're not as smart as you think you are.

I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VEHICLE.

<sigh>


That doesn't matter to Serge I have a feeling you're getting a cavity search from Serge on turkeyday.

Come on Voodooman be a sport I'm sure the search will bring back memories of the old days.

(Serge you forgot the turkey baster, Please use a different one than on the bird!!!!)

baster???

I don't wanna give Voodoo an artificial insemination!

We might engage Dianna Vesta just for that!
;-)))[/b][/quote]
That's it I'm bringing my video camera!!!!

I could most likely use the camera to get a picture of me whoopin' your ass at chess, too! :butt:



Last edited by DAMNMAN at Nov 5 2003, 10:18 AM

DAMNMAN 11-05-2003 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by voodooman@Nov 5 2003, 10:01 AM
This just goes to show, you're not as smart as you think you are.

I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VEHICLE.

<sigh>

I know you don't have a vehicle!!!

I figured you may borrow Joe's and I'd hate to see you wreck a nice car.

Winetalk.com 11-05-2003 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN@Nov 5 2003, 10:16 AM


I could most likely use the camera to get a picture of me whoopin' your ass at chess, too! :butt:

Doug, like you whooped my ass the last time???
;-))

eat more wheaties!
;-)))

http://cotac.com/sergewins.jpg

DAMNMAN 11-05-2003 10:22 AM

Oh, now you've gone and done it!!!!

I'm lookin' all over the place for the pictures me whoopin' your ass to post 'em.
You must keep this picture close at hand to post every time I talk shit, it must be one of your prized posessions.

DAg NABBIT YA' VARMENT!!!!

Winetalk.com 11-05-2003 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN@Nov 5 2003, 10:30 AM
Oh, now you've gone and done it!!!!

I'm lookin' all over the place for the pictures me whoopin' your ass to post 'em.

Doug, I sold them all to the alt.com to be used in their commercials
;-))

you look CUTE!
;-)))

voodooman 11-05-2003 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DAMNMAN+Nov 5 2003, 09:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DAMNMAN @ Nov 5 2003, 09:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--voodooman@Nov 5 2003, 10:01 AM
This just goes to show, you're not as smart as you think you are.

I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VEHICLE.

<sigh>

That doesn't matter to Serge I have a feeling you're getting a cavity search from Serge on turkeyday.

Come on Voodooman be a sport I'm sure the search will bring back memories of the old days.

(Serge you forgot the turkey baster, Please use a different one than on the bird!!!!)[/b][/quote]
Damn it was nice around here when you was on hiatus.

Anyways, Serge, I will NOT show up to Thanksgiving Day
Dinner unless you promise to use your broomstick on
Doug.

Deal???
Otherwise, Im going to Amsterdamn and spend Thanksgiving
with LittleC.

:okthumb:

DAMNMAN 11-05-2003 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by voodooman+Nov 5 2003, 10:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (voodooman @ Nov 5 2003, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -DAMNMAN@Nov 5 2003, 09:10 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--voodooman
Quote:

@Nov 5 2003, 10:01 AM
This just goes to show, you're not as smart as you think you are.

I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VEHICLE.

<sigh>


That doesn't matter to Serge I have a feeling you're getting a cavity search from Serge on turkeyday.

Come on Voodooman be a sport I'm sure the search will bring back memories of the old days.

(Serge you forgot the turkey baster, Please use a different one than on the bird!!!!)

Damn it was nice around here when you was on hiatus.

Anyways, Serge, I will NOT show up to Thanksgiving Day
Dinner unless you promise to use your broomstick on
Doug.

Deal???
Otherwise, Im going to Amsterdamn and spend Thanksgiving
with LittleC.

:okthumb:[/b][/quote]
Don't make any promises!

DAMNMAN 11-05-2003 04:07 PM

Just got the final word from Card Services:

I have got to pay $1750.00 for registration with VISA and MC if to continue processing CCs.

This is even if I ship content on CDs "ONLY" and do no content downloads whatsoever.

I think this ups the VISA BS a notch because I am selling merchandise shipped to customers and they still want me to pay the extortion money.


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