DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

In a move that could indicate further scrutiny by domain registrars, DirectNic has demanded that TGP operator SlickNetwork.com hand over model IDs on all performers it suspects are underage.

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Now this should be interesting. Curiouser and curiouser.

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Could there be a lot more driving behind this than anyone is aware of?

Directnic stepped up in my book as far as ethics go.

Businesswise... Im not sure if they didnt open a can of worms or not.

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Yeah, this one is a bit of an odd move on the surface. I hate scammers, kiddie porn and whatever other trash they might be seeing on those sites. And I can appreciate the integrity of opting not to business with them.

But a bit of a risky move. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a registrar appointing themselves to be the internet police.

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I am on the fence with this now, while I can see the side that they are covering their asses, I don't like the fact that the email said "do this by monday or we shut your sites down"

regardless, there should be industry standard protocols in place for situations like this that all hosts/billers/registrars comply with when a issue arises

as it stands right now, like most of what we do, it is every man for himself

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Ethics? I think not. This sucks. No trial. Just their decision as to what is illegal or not. Locking the account so they can't move on really is pretentious. Judge and jury. This is redneck justice....a lynch mob.
Isn't this the company that was accused of stealing "who is" inquiries? Come on folks. Don't you think there is an ulterior motive here?
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showt...ight=directnic

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and so it begins

even though Mike AI said he would extend the time in which Slick had to gather the ID's, his sites are all shut down now

http://www.reallyeighteen.com/
http://www.amateurcurves.com/

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1. I didn't see Michael saying they extended the time, Slick said a letter from DirectNic's lawyer said they extended the time
2. I strongly suspect something else is up. DirectNic is loaded with attorneys. They aren't going to do something to put themselves in a bad legal situation.

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I really don't think he would lie about that

I don't think anything else is up at all, I think there is a serious lack of communication between mike and his employees and they basically just ruined someones day

i will agree with most though and say the content on those tgp's was WAY questionable, still I don't think it should be in the hands of the registrar to shut the sites down while the site owner is trying to resolve things with you

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um.......ok?

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Highly interesting. If a company acts like it bears responsibility for the content, then it makes them legally liable, yes? Regardless of previously stated laws?

So they're going to start policing all their accounts, I'm assuming. Is this them taking the high road of "self regulation" or is there more behind it?

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Beats me. But can you tell me if Lars has been freed from the clutches of that evil Zango company?

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I guess I am going to bow out of the debate for now until Mike posts something or let's someone know something

there is obviously more to this than is being said

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I still think that any registrar that feels uncomfortable with a domain it has registered can a: report it to the proper authorities and b: let the "offender" move on to another registrar. This flies in the face of "innocent until proven guilty".

America is becoming one great paranoid witch hunt of late. You gotta watch what you write. You gotta watch what you say. Or someone might turn you in. It feels like the Soviet Union.
Can you say McCarthy kids?

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I truly hope there is because on the surface, it is a book burning.

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OK, here is a possible scenario. A Canadian registers his domain with Directnic. Directnic decides he is posting dodgy stuff so demands id's or Directnic will lock up his domain and virtually shut him down.
Here is the cunundrum.
The Canadian government says that is illegal and the Canadian citizen could be prosecuted for doing what Directnic demands.
What is this "innocent" person supposed to do in this case? Roll over and provide the id and possibly go to jail? Or get shut down because someone at Directnic has decided that it is illegal content.
This is a pandora's box of ethical issues.

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I still want to know which sponsors have that questionable teen content.

For directnic to get lawyered up about it makes me wonder.

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Jace, why are you saying they're just covering their asses? They are merely the registrant of the name, they have absolutely no legal responsibility in what the domain is used for.

This is total horseshit and it's illegal. I knew MikeAI was a Republican, but I sure didn't expect him to go from being a pornographer to a fucking zealot.

Just like reformed smokers. They like it just fine while they're doing it, but preach against it with a fervor when they quit.

This is the same as the bullshit with Crissy Moran. She went from being a porn whore to a zealot overnight.

p.s. Why the hell does anyone pay DirectNic $15 a year when they can use GoDaddy and pay $8?

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I can 100% guarantee you Michael knew absolutely nothing about this until Slick made his post on GFY and someone contacted Michael. He's an owner - he's not involved in the day to day activities of the biz.

Yes, Jace, they have a legal team. It's pretty standard to tell someone basically cold calling to contact their legal team by email. IBM would probably tell you the same thing. Intercosmos is huge. DirectNic isn't the only thing they do and even moreso, I doubt the adult domains are their biggest business.

This is PURELY speculation on my end, but I can easily see someone contacting the government agencies months and months ago about these sites - this didn't just happen overnight. I haven't seen the sites (I don't even click on that shit) but even those on Slick's side and against DN said they very much looked like CP.

If DN cut him off w/o reason, he has a good lawsuit. First he needs to find a good lawyer. It seems whomever he has now isn't doing him much good.

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I think hes being advised by the same people that are advising Lars.

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"This is total horseshit and it's illegal. I knew MikeAI was a Republican, but I sure didn't expect him to go from being a pornographer to a fucking zealot."

Yeah its the Joe Kennedy school of business.

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You sure know how to beat a dead horse. Bitching about the same fucking thing .. and I dont just mean this, but every.. fucking.. thing.. over.. and.. over.. again..

It's like you like dragging shit thru mud not just once or twice, but until the river of mud has been entirely absorbed by whatever you're dragging.

And I'm not arguing about if what Lars did is good or bad, merely the fact that the majority of your posts contain bitching in the same fashion about a subject that changes about once every two to four weeks.

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Ok lets talk about the business model of using a bogus virus scan that tells you that your machine is infected and even pops out the CD tray to encourage the surfer to get the "cure" which is nothing more than a trojan for adware.

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I'm with Gonzo on this. But not on the kid gloves attitude to Directnic which I think....and do most of the boards I have read today....that it is outrageous.

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I dont think he will want to talk about it.

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Oh I am sure. But unless you know something that most don't, then something is really off the rails here. Putting someone out of business on a whim (or so it seems since there has been no directnic response) is just outrageous. That is, unless you are trying to go for another market...ie straight mainstream market, and are trying to position your company as a porn buster. Like I said, Joe Kennedy.

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Internet policing ? its called a industry regulating itself or the government starts regulating for you. Imagine if everyone policed cp on line instead of waiting for the police. If you got proof everyone is of age ,you really got nothing to worry about.There would be no safe place for cp to happen in the internet world. oh I forgot in the online world its everyone's god given right to do whatever the fuck they want until they are arrested.
Then they cry why do they pick on us. lol

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Ive seen the same thing as everyone else has concerning directnic.

Ill wait and see how this develops.

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Not everyone is legally able to give out that information unless it is to the proper legal authorities. So what do you do then

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It's not DN's job to 'police' anything and since when is DirectNic part of this industry that you think should be policing itself? This isn't a case of policing ourselves, this is a case of an outside source policing us and doing it illegally.

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Hammer, I propose to you the same bet I proposed with rhetorical http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=51383

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It blows my mind when I see people supporting what DN is doing considering the industry we're in. We are constantly fighting for our constitutrional rights in this business and along comes an organization that tramples all over them and instead of getting pissed off, some of you are actually condoning their actions. Unbelievable.

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It'll be a shame to see you go.

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I have seen some, but very little support out there. But when shit like this happens there are always a few. I would assume that after this Directnic will be out of the adult reg business by the sound of it. But that could be the plan.

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I take it that that is an aceptance :okthumb:

Last I checked, your constitutional rights end right at my doorstep.

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Last I checked, your constitutional rights end right at my doorstep.

Not being a constitutional expert, I would guess you are very wrong on that count. You might think about checking again.

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Sure, why not. Oprano won't miss either of us.


huh? I'm guessing you mean if I come into your house you have the right to do illegal things to me because I no longer have any rights? So you could rape me and it would be okay. Or you could rob me or kill me? Since none of those are true, just what constitutional rights end at your doorstep? You can't even shoot me unless your life is threatened and even then a good attorney could get you convicted of murder.

But, what does any of that have to do with the current argument that what DirectNic did is unconstitutional?

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lolol...You are confused. You are listing things that are against the law not things that are your constitutional right.

Let's see now.


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Your right to free speech ends at my doorstep as I can have you arrested for walking into my house and abusing me verbally. Your right to exercise your religion ends at my doorstep, again, you come in and throw down some prayer mats and start praying and if I call the cops, you will be at least escorted from my house if not arrested. Yor right to assemble ends at my doorstep, go ahead get a few people to assemble in my living room uninvited and the cops will again remove you for me.


Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

You bring a weapon into my house and again, the cops will help me out, not you. In fact, in Florida if you bring a weapon into my house I can shoot your ass.


Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Unless of course I put the condition that you are subject to search and seizure upon entering my doorstep. In fact, if you bring personal articles into my house and I grab them and search them you would have absolutely no legal recourse.


Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


You can't be compelled to be a witness against yourself but if you tell me something in confidence and I take it to the authorities, it not only can be used against you but as Joe Friday would say, it WILL be used against you so you have incriminated yourself even though you have the right not to.

(Favorite Ron White line: I had the right to remain silent, unfortunately......I didn't have the ability)

What this has to do with the directnic thing is that they are a private company, they created terms and conditions for a contract with them and those terms and conditions were agreed to. Unless a court of law says that those terms and conditions are not enforceable then those terms and conditions stand. Since no court has made such a detemination then for right now that contract must be considered valid. In fact, the lack of action by Slick and his layer to get an injunction against directnic not allowing them to enforce their contract would indicate to me that his lawyer is thinking that the contract is enforceable.

If the contract were so blatantly unenforceable as everyone is saying, so blatantly unconstitutional as all the gfy lawyers say, it would take about $300 and half a day to get in front of a federal judge to get an injunction prohibiting directnic from taking the actions they did. And yes, it would be federal because slick and directnic are not in the same state and it is therefore related to interstate commerce which is completely the feds purview.

When Slick agreed to directnic's terms and conditions, he set foot inside of their doorstep and as I said, the constitution ends at my doorstep (in this case directnic's doorstep).

This is not free speech case. This is a contract case, pure and simple.

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Well, I really don't have the dislike for you that I do for rhetorical so how's bout we make it a monetary bet instead. I can go to $100. I'm not rich so I am not willing to gamble $1000 like the bigwigs are...lol... But make it wherever you feel comfortable between $1 and $100 (or a couple of drinks at a show) and I would be just as ageeable.

Either way works for me :)

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Okay, you can just buy me a couple of drinks at the next show.