I know of a couple and have been following DRM for 2-3 years. But I'm sure I've overlooked some newcomers and maybe a few that have been around a while.

Who has good flexible solutions...preferably that include an interface to a iPSP for the backend processing?

CCBill / Cavecreek one would imagine have that type of setup in place :)

I also vaguely recall a conversation i had with Vooman at last years Florida show where he said the Nat Net DRM solution is able to be used as a stand alone solution.

Interestingly enough...

I recently read something about DRM being cracked successfully (off to find the link to that info now).

Here we go...

http://drmnews.com/freeme.htm

Was posted on YNOT a day or two back :)

is there any other anti Hotlinking methods available as well?

How does one go about blocking people from stealing there content and downloading it other than DRM?

Isn´t that the same Freeme.exe, which MS have a fix for?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsme...drm/freeme.aspx

PlayaDRM looks good http://www.playadrm.com

Any service which has software to download, so you can do the packaging on your own system?

Rolo, "Beale Screamer" is the guy who originally cracked DRM in 2001. I haven't seen this information on any other drm news sites, so it may be a link to an old article... I'll keep my eyes open...

We offer desktop software for DRM encryption, so you can always maintain control of your content...

DRM Networks is the "in house" solution for CCBill and is fully integrated and ready to go if you have a CCBill account.

Our is a very feaure rich solution and is built for very large scale deployment.

Please feel free to contact me or you CCBill rep for additional information.

-Randall

How much is the software vooman, and where would one go to get it ?

DRM Networks is the "in house" solution for CCBill and is fully integrated and ready to go if you have a CCBill account.

Our is a very feaure rich solution and is built for very large scale deployment.

Please feel free to contact me or you CCBill rep for additional information.

-Randall [/b][/quote]
will it ever be compatible for sites that do not use CCBill? as a stand alone product?

Yeah real good. We are still waiting in the conference room downtown for that cocksucker to call us back with all of our clients here for that implementaiton confernce call.

Embarassment, loose of huge monies and then find the bastard hanging out on Max Cash Live instead of on a conference call...calls ignored...voice mail ignored.


You want to get me really started on this Ill go fire up my partners Dirty Doug and Cnote..... I can sum it up with one word


SNORT !!!!

DRM Networks is the "in house" solution for CCBill and is fully integrated and ready to go if you have a CCBill account.

Our is a very feaure rich solution and is built for very large scale deployment.

Please feel free to contact me or you CCBill rep for additional information.

-Randall [/b][/quote]
Randall

Do I still have to

1. FTP all the movies up to you so that you can wrap them
2. FTP them back down wrapped
3. Still only availible if you are a 3rd party processor [$750 and 17%]

Or have times changed?

Yeah real good. We are still waiting in the conference room downtown for that cocksucker to call us back with all of our clients here for that implementaiton confernce call.

Embarassment, loose of huge monies and then find the bastard hanging out on Max Cash Live instead of on a conference call...calls ignored...voice mail ignored.


You want to get me really started on this Ill go fire up my partners Dirty Doug and Cnote..... I can sum it up with one word


SNORT !!!! [/b][/quote]
Huh?

What the fuck?


Wanna run this story ( cause there sure as hell sounds like one here) past us Gonzo?

Warts and all?

Huh?

What the fuck?


Wanna run this story ( cause there sure as hell sounds like one here) past us Gonzo?

Warts and all? [/b][/quote]
Maybe Ill dig up Dirty Doug to do it since his recollection is more colorful and then we wont have to worry about one of the fans or consultants coming in to dispute the story as it will be relayed by a 3rd party that was there.

Interesting, I've never had anyone complain about working with Tucker when I suggested they do.

Something doesn't sound quite right in this whole story.

And if CNote is Chris Levy that you're referring to, then there's definitely a mix-up, since he's never had anything to do with Tuckers solution as far as I know.

Cnote is Charles Lynch.

Cnote is Charles Lynch. [/b][/quote]
Interesting, since that was Levy's choice of icq and board handle last year or so. :)

Yeah real good. We are still waiting in the conference room downtown for that cocksucker to call us back with all of our clients here for that implementaiton confernce call.

Embarassment, loose of huge monies and then find the bastard hanging out on Max Cash Live instead of on a conference call...calls ignored...voice mail ignored.


You want to get me really started on this Ill go fire up my partners Dirty Doug and Cnote..... I can sum it up with one word


SNORT !!!! [/b][/quote]
Hi Gonzo,

I am a little confused by who you are talking about and what you are talking about? We are available to our clients regularly by icq, email and phone. I am available on ICQ about 20 hours a day and have rarely had issues. You referenced two people I have never heard of. I have never been to Max Cash live and if you are making a reference to drugs with the "Snort", boy do you have the wrong guy.

Las time we spoke, which I think was over a year ago, you told me that you had your own thing going and to essentially buzz off, which I did. It sounds like you are confusing me with another and our company with another company. Maybe this was going on at the same time and you might have become mistaken. I will say that if you were basing a large scale deal on our solution 1) If we were told about it, we would know about it and 2) We ALWAYS keep appointments and if we need to change them, we notify via phone and email prior to the time. We are a business, not a game room.

As I have always said and others can attest to, I am here for you and anyone else that needs something or has questions.

ICQ 2 5-4-334 or email tucker@playasolutions.com is best.

I am sorry if you had an unpleasant experience but I think it fair to say that you should bring this to my attention so that I could attempt to rectify the situation. I am looking through my logs and calendar and I dont see a scheduled conference call with you in the last two years.

Please advise via email as this is the best way to keep a record of discussions to prevent any further misunderstanding.

Thank you.

Jason Tucker
Playa DRM



TO THE REST OF THE THREAD:
As far as the crack, its old.
As far as a service, we are integrated with all processors.
Our clients list is representative of our solution and performance. Playa's track record speaks for itself and I proudly stand in front of our product and solutions welcoming you to try us out for yourself.

WAIT NOW I READ UPDATES:

CNOTE is also StreamOG which is also BuyDRM which is also a former founder of DRMNetworks and the creator of Swap Bucks.

Sir, DO NOT EVER CONFUSE THIS NEXT LINE

Christopher Levy, aka Chris Levy, aka StreamOG, aka CNOTE has nothing, has never had and will never have ANYTHING to do with my company.

Prior to making future defamatory statements, it my hope that you will conduct proper due diligence to prevent the innocent from looking guilty.

At the next Industry Event, I would like to buy you a drink and spend a few minutes talking face to face so that you will learn who I am and not repeat this performance.

Check your notes for 230 Peachtree Street Suite 2200 Atlanta Georgia
Lynch International. Charles Lynch, Doug Kreet and myself.

Youll have to go back at least 2 years ago.

To say the experience was unpleasant is an understatement.
You made an phone appointment to get this rollling started and we flew in 2 sets of clients to get the ball rolling. The date of the conference call you didnt call nor answer my phone calls or my ICQ or the email nor would Oystien.

So yeah a year ago the deal was long dead.

I hope you resolved your transition problems.

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DRM Networks is the "in house" solution for CCBill and is fully integrated and ready to go if you have a CCBill account.

Our is a very feaure rich solution and is built for very large scale deployment.

Please feel free to contact me or you CCBill rep for additional information.

-Randall [/b][/quote]
Yeah, I've been eyeballing the CCBill product.

Quick question...

Can it run thru an affiliate tracking system other than CCBill's? In other words, process with CCBill, but bounce the transaction thru something like NATS or Mansion so affiliates get tracked same for those sales as they would normal memberships?

Also have been looking at PlayaDRM. If it is solid and working, it's rocking.

A couple of the demos for the compact form are broken on the playadrm.com website.

Can someone post here, pm or email me some live implementations from real sites, I wanna see the real deal in action? hellpuppy at hellpuppy dot com

All of the DRM solutions price themselves on licenses if nothing else.

I'm under the assumption that a license isn't delivered and charged until the transaction is completed (whatever it may be) and the license to actually play the video is delivered back to the user.

In other words, we do not get dinged for a license transaction everytime someone attempts to play the video and hits the form without ever completing it?

Is my assumption correct?

Otherwise getting one of these videos loose in the wild could really suck...heh. Whereas this should normally be a very positive thing with DRM as there is no play if no pay.

HP, I'm sure we'll get Tucker back here to clarify pricing among other questions --

Very nice :-) Btw. here is a link direct to the solution http://www.natnetdrm.com/

As gonzo said the whole upload/download is an issue, when you have hundreds to thousands of GBs of content.

More DRM providers should have downloable packing software - that would really make it simple for all paysites to start using it, and create extra revenue + stop content theft/sharing.

Sorry I dont recall. BTW PlayaDRM was launched after Phoenix Forum last year so its only about a year old.

:-) I am done.

Hell Puppy,

You are correct. A license is not issued until the video is paid for, so you won't get dinged for people attempting to play your content if they haven't bought it...

I always enjoyed talking with Tucker, he is a very smart guy and a total professional from all I know about him. As well as very informed

I hope to see him around here much more often, as we all could definatly benifite from his knowledge on Traffic as well.

( I dont know the other guy mentioned, I hope Gonzo has them mixed up, as I am sure he has had the expereience he tells us about too with whomever it was as gonzo only speaks what he believes to be TRUE always) ( I to do think it is someone other than tucker just from what I know of tucker )

cause like I said, Tucker has always ben a classy guy in my book ( my two cents)

Tucker can you please explain how your DRM solution works for people simple minded like me to understand as well?

Well as an observer......

There has been a question raised over playadrm by gonzo.

Which still remains unanaswered.Being left as "don't remember"

The other suggestion made is

http://www.natnetdrm.com/

I have no idea , personally , which is the best solution what each offers that the other doesn't really is unclear.

If I was gonna use one at the moment and was in the market I'd have to at this monent lean towards

http://www.natnetdrm.com/

The opening 6 letters....sway me.

Natnet.

I've known /known of SweetT for 7 years.

Have dealt with him over a couple of matters in the distant past.

He is unequivocably a class act.

Just my 2 cents...

I don't know Tucker , and by his retreat from the board I guess I won't get a chance too. ;-)))

Again , just my 2 cents..

<!--QuoteBegin-Tucker@Jan 20 2005, 08:28 AM
BTW PlayaDRM was launched after Phoenix Forum last year so its only about a year old.[/quote]
Which would make sense that Tucker doesn't remember something from 2 years ago :awinky:

Looks like Gonzo and Tucker are talking about two different companies, but I could be wrong. It's happened. B)

Im looking over all of my DRM research.... I think Dirty DOug has more of it too with a lot of my shit....

When considering DRM solutions I remember this being an issue as well overall for the selection.

http://drmnews.com/freeme.htm

Makes you wonder about Microsoft as a whole for this one...

Ooops Lee has already posted this.

Which would make sense that Tucker doesn't remember something from 2 years ago :awinky:

Looks like Gonzo and Tucker are talking about two different companies, but I could be wrong. It's happened. B) [/b][/quote]
May well be the case peaches.

We shall see.

Gonzo is my partner though , thus , well you know :)

PLUS I know and have dealt with SweetT .

I have never met Tucker , though many peoples whose opinion I value , in particular KK , speak well of him.

Because of the first two points , I would , however , edge towards Natnetdrm.com is all.

I hope it does turn out to all be a misunderstanding and hope that Tucker can describe in detail his what his product offers.

Thanks for the kind words Nick. Sweet T is a class act, and that's why I've been with NatNet for such a long time... :)

Sorry Vooman.

You too , even though we have never met etc , are known to me and your length of time with Natnet.

My apologies.

The fact that you are marketing the product is enough for me to know it is first class product.

Oh... no problem at all Nick. No need to apologize. Tony is known and loved by all, while I enjoy being the quiet guy behind the scenes. B)

Technical question for any and all DRM providers ...

When the file is "packaged" with the licensing technology -- aka the WMV file modified -- does that in any way prevent other software or scripts from a) making a thumb from a screen cap via automated software or scripts or server modules or B) in any other way alter the header or anything such that other programs/scripts can no longer recognize, read the file in terms of site publishing?

Just something I've wondered for a while now and which no one's FAQs address.

Tucker,
If you are buying drinks at the next industry event, I am due about 250 thousand of them. Gonzo is correct that you were supposed to meet at 230 Peachtree, Atlanta. We (you, Gonzo and I) even spoke on the phone two weeks prior.

Perhaps you suffer from a disorder where someone forgets shit....what is that called again....ah hell, it will come back to me shortly :headwall:

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