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Mike AI 10-07-2004 08:00 PM

I hope Bush comes out with some more energy.

It is amazing the race is even this close with all the negative news about Iraq and WMDs coming out.

Maybe American's understand that Bush made his decision based on info he had at the time. Hind sight is definately 20/20

Mike AI 10-07-2004 08:48 PM

I am an idiot - I thought debate was tonight.

:blink:

Winetalk.com 10-07-2004 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI@Oct 7 2004, 07:49 PM
I am an idiot
do you mind if I attach poll to this thread?
;-)))

Winetalk.com 10-07-2004 08:52 PM

Mike,
Bush have chosen Friday nite for a debate for a reason...less people will be watching it
;-)))

Buff 10-07-2004 09:06 PM

http://uploads.ungrounded.net/195000/195602_debate1.swf

Mike AI 10-07-2004 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 7 2004, 07:53 PM
Mike,
Bush have chosen Friday nite for a debate for a reason...less people will be watching it
;-)))

HAHA I thought the same thing!!

NickPapageorgio 10-07-2004 09:57 PM

Nah he won't choke...





































...unless ofcourse they are serving pretzels. :yowsa: I can only hope they will be. :matey:

pushpills 10-07-2004 10:37 PM

the candidates dressed up as fox news anchors tonight.

RawAlex 10-07-2004 11:18 PM

Okay, since I was 100% on my prediction last time, let me make another one for this debate:

Bush, seeing that he got his ass handed to him last time because he wasn't agressive enough will come out on the attack, and in doing so, will step in a big pile of shit.

Look for a major blunder in this debate.

Alex

corvett 10-08-2004 12:11 AM

bush has the friday happy hour advantage ;)

Evil Chris 10-08-2004 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex@Oct 7 2004, 11:19 PM
Okay, since I was 100% on my prediction last time, let me make another one for this debate:

Bush, seeing that he got his ass handed to him last time because he wasn't agressive enough will come out on the attack, and in doing so, will step in a big pile of shit.

Look for a major blunder in this debate.

Alex

and Kerry will be expecting it as well.

They did foreign policy, what's the main topic tonight?
Jobs? The economy? LOL

Kerry is the rifle and Bush is the fish in the barrell.

XXXPhoto 10-08-2004 05:21 PM

Domestic affairs type questions with some foreign policy tossed in too far as I have read... Town hall Q/A format but guessing questions won't be outta the blue...

Mike AI 10-08-2004 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex@Oct 7 2004, 10:19 PM
Okay, since I was 100% on my prediction last time, let me make another one for this debate:

Bush, seeing that he got his ass handed to him last time because he wasn't agressive enough will come out on the attack, and in doing so, will step in a big pile of shit.

Look for a major blunder in this debate.

Alex


Bush missed some great opportunities to slam Kerry last debate.
I blame his handlers for telling him to be nice, courting the female vote.

If he presses to hard, he could very well make a huge blunder.

Hopefully he was inspired by Cheney.

My German Shepard could have did better against kerry last debate.

When Kerry quoted his father's book, Bush could have closed out the debate and probably the race with a few good lines.

Oh well....

XXXPhoto 10-08-2004 05:42 PM

Yup Mike... can just hear some of Bush's book quotes now...

"I will hunt terroists on a train,
I will hunt them in the rain.
I will hunt them in a box,
I will hunt them with a fox."

Mike AI 10-08-2004 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Oct 8 2004, 04:43 PM
Yup Mike... can just hear some of Bush's book quotes now...

"I will hunt terroists on a train,
I will hunt them in the rain.
I will hunt them in a box,
I will hunt them with a fox."


HAHA I would like that.

Or do the " a sphicter says what"

Anything like this would be a hit in my book!!

:yowsa:

Buff 10-08-2004 08:57 PM

Obviously, Bush is better prepared. But he's still mostly on the defensive.

LadyLaw 10-08-2004 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Oct 8 2004, 05:43 PM
Yup Mike... can just hear some of Bush's book quotes now...

"I will hunt terroists on a train,
I will hunt them in the rain.
I will hunt them in a box,
I will hunt them with a fox."

hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

Good one...thank you XXXPhoto!
:D

slavdogg 10-08-2004 09:45 PM

need some wood ? :lol:

Mike AI 10-08-2004 10:09 PM

Close, but I think Bush won - he was better with jokes, making people laugh which matters in debates.

I am happy Bush came out strong.

The moderator is a tool - he was trying to steal the show.

Buff 10-08-2004 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI@Oct 8 2004, 08:10 PM
Close, but I think Bush won - he was better with jokes, making people laugh which matters in debates.

I am happy Bush came out strong.

The moderator is a tool - he was trying to steal the show.

I think Bush won easily.

slavdogg 10-08-2004 10:15 PM

yup Bush did a great job :okthumb:

Winetalk.com 10-08-2004 10:18 PM

Bush won?

yeah,
he won my heart with his ban on Canadien drugs and the reason he gave for it-
"to make sure that those drugs cure Americans and don't kill them!"

1) how the fuck Canadiens don't die from those drugs?

2) Those are the same drugs manufactured in...USA.

Merck's vioxx kills, made in USA.

And I am pro choice, pro stem cell research and I don't need wood
;-)))

Winetalk.com 10-08-2004 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg@Oct 8 2004, 09:16 PM
yup Bush did a great job :okthumb:
of making fool of himself.

Winetalk.com 10-08-2004 10:21 PM

Another Bush's snaffu when asked about future Supreme Court nomenee..

"I wouldn't apoint judge who decided that pledge of alegence is in appropriate in school because of "one nation under God".

Does he know that USA Constitution separate Church and State??
He wouldn't apoint judge who supports US Constitution?????

Sharpie 10-08-2004 10:21 PM

They both did a good job - the winner is in the ear of the beholder.........

I just like ones answers better than the other.

Winetalk.com 10-08-2004 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sharpie@Oct 8 2004, 09:22 PM
They both did a good job - the winner is in the ear of the beholder.........

I just like ones answers better than the other.

yes, and I have my congratulations ready...

http://www.bongmadness.com/pics/congratulations.jpg

Mike AI 10-08-2004 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 8 2004, 09:22 PM
Another Bush's snaffu when asked about future Supreme Court nomenee..

"I wouldn't apoint judge who decided that pledge of alegence is in appropriate in school because of "one nation under God".

Does he know that USA Constitution separate Church and State??
He wouldn't apoint judge who supports US Constitution?????


Serge you may want to go back and study American History.

Seperation of Church and State was intended to prevent the country from having an 'official" religion, it was NEVER intended to keep God ( or any diety of yoru choice) out of life completely.

The majority of our Founding Father's were very relgious people. The USA is a Jeduo-Christian Nation.

You must be confusing Lenin and George Washington again....

Winetalk.com 10-08-2004 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI+Oct 8 2004, 09:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Oct 8 2004, 09:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Oct 8 2004, 09:22 PM
Another Bush's snaffu when asked about future Supreme Court nomenee..

"I wouldn't apoint judge who decided that pledge of alegence is in appropriate in school because of "one nation under God".

Does he know that USA Constitution separate Church and State??
He wouldn't apoint judge who supports US Constitution?????


Serge you may want to go back and study American History.

Seperation of Church and State was intended to prevent the country from having an 'official" religion, it was NEVER intended to keep God ( or any diety of yoru choice) out of life completely.

The majority of our Founding Father's were very relgious people. The USA is a Jeduo-Christian Nation.

You must be confusing Lenin and George Washington again.... [/b][/quote]
Mike,
Our religious fathers wrote the constitution and provisions to separate Church and State, not Church and every day's life NOT related to government activities..

Do you recall judge in Alabama who wanted to have 10 commandments statue on GOVERNMENT property?

WHY was he told to remove it if you are right and I am wrong?

do you know the answer or should I shout?

VooMan 10-08-2004 10:34 PM

I agree that Bush did better tonight than he did in the first debate, but only in the fact that he didn't stumble over his words so badly. He seemed to me to be on the defensive. While some reported him as being more animated or passionate, I found him to be very defensive on just about everything. Seemed like he was almost yelling at some of the people who asked questions...

I am no fan of Kerry, but he is in no uncertain terms a much better debater than Bush. He carries himself well, speaks eloquently, and stays more calm and in control. He also tells the average Joe American exactly what he wants to hear. Tax the rich, better schools, better health care, blah blah blah blah blah...

Usually the challenger has to knock out the champ in order to win. I don't know if that's the case in this election...

My two cents on the issue... LOL

Mike AI 10-08-2004 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Oct 8 2004, 09:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Oct 8 2004, 09:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI@Oct 8 2004, 09:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano
Quote:

@Oct 8 2004, 09:22 PM
Another Bush's snaffu when asked about future Supreme Court nomenee..

"I wouldn't apoint judge who decided that pledge of alegence is in appropriate in school because of "one nation under God".

Does he know that USA Constitution separate Church and State??
He wouldn't apoint judge who supports US Constitution?????




Serge you may want to go back and study American History.

Seperation of Church and State was intended to prevent the country from having an 'official" religion, it was NEVER intended to keep God ( or any diety of yoru choice) out of life completely.

The majority of our Founding Father's were very relgious people. The USA is a Jeduo-Christian Nation.

You must be confusing Lenin and George Washington again....

Mike,
Our religious fathers wrote the constitution and provisions to separate Church and State, not Church and every day's life NOT related to government activities..

Do you recall judge in Alabama who wanted to have 10 commandments statue on GOVERNMENT property?

WHY was he told to remove it if you are right and I am wrong?

do you know the answer or should I shout? [/b][/quote]


I understand that Serge. But there is a subtle distinction between SEPERATING Church and State, and complety banning the idea of God through out all aspects of life. Especially in a time where Gov't intrudes on all aspects of life...

The Founding Father's did not want an "official State religion" like there was in England and most of the world at the time. They did not want to ban religion and God from everyday life....



Why does the Supreme Court building in Washington DC have the 10 Commandments on it?

Mike AI 10-08-2004 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VooMan@Oct 8 2004, 09:35 PM
I agree that Bush did better tonight than he did in the first debate, but only in the fact that he didn't stumble over his words so badly. He seemed to me to be on the defensive. While some reported him as being more animated or passionate, I found him to be very defensive on just about everything. Seemed like he was almost yelling at some of the people who asked questions...

I am no fan of Kerry, but he is in no uncertain terms a much better debater than Bush. He carries himself well, speaks eloquently, and stays more calm and in control. He also tells the average Joe American exactly what he wants to hear. Tax the rich, better schools, better health care, blah blah blah blah blah...

Usually the challenger has to knock out the champ in order to win. I don't know if that's the case in this election...

My two cents on the issue... LOL


I wish Bush would have pointed out Kerry is using class warfare to try and win votes.

He did finally use the L word. I think that was important....

American's do not like liberals.... that is why Kerry has to pretend to be Conservative or moderate. Of course a quick glance at his record shows the truth.

If Kerry wins our only hope is Repubicans can keep Congress. ( I actually prefer power to be split - gridlock is good - prevents politicians from running amok)

VooMan 10-08-2004 10:50 PM

I completely agree with you there Mike.

Speaking of jobs overseas, where are most of the Heinz factories?

:biglaugh:

pushpills 10-08-2004 10:51 PM

Good for Bush, I guess.

2 spindoctors at work.


My girlfriend says "I hate Bush, but yea, he did "win the debate" as far as most of america is conerned"



Then I gave her some free wood. No tax cut for art students though.

Mike AI 10-08-2004 11:04 PM

Serge, even if you cannot stand Bush's religious stance - it is a smart move. The vast majority of this Country DO beleive in God, and claim it play an important roll in their lives. It is a WINNING issue for Bush.

Complete Secularism and Humanism is why Europe has become a 2nd rate power, and continues to spiral down....

Steve - you got a new girl?

slavdogg 10-09-2004 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg@Oct 8 2004, 08:46 PM
need some wood ? :lol:
the time it took me to post that i could have had
http://www.needsomewood.com site
or
http://www.needsumwood.com/

for everyone that missed, to me that was the funniest shit Bush ever said.
str8 outta Beavis and Butthead style jokes

and gotta love instand DNS.

KC 10-09-2004 04:38 AM

I think we need to update the Pledge of Allegience to state:

"One nation under Allah"

How about:

"One nation under Jehovah"

My favorite is:

"One nation under Joe Pesci"

Mike AI 10-09-2004 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC@Oct 9 2004, 03:39 AM
I think we need to update the Pledge of Allegience to state:

"One nation under Allah"

How about:

"One nation under Jehovah"

My favorite is:

"One nation under Joe Pesci"


KC God is God. It depends on the person saying it. It could be Allah, Jesus Christ, Jawah, or Serge.


The notion of taking God out of overything is popular in this part of the world - ( adult internet ) But it the majority of the US its a popular issue.

I am comfortable making the heathens uncomfortable....

Hallilujah!!

Winetalk.com 10-09-2004 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI@Oct 8 2004, 10:05 PM


Complete Secularism and Humanism is why Europe has become a 2nd rate power, and continues to spiral down....

Mike, when I read that, the first thought which came to my mind was:
"Cunilingus and psychatry brought us to this"
;-))

If God is responcible for America;s success-
I see ayatolah's and muslim terrorism has a very bright future,
as "God is their pilot" and go extra mile for it.

Where God has been for 150 years? America ONLY became world power after the World War II, after Europe was nearly completely destroyed in the war.

God played very important part in my business too,
following 11th commandment:
"In God we trust, all other MUST prepay" never did me wrong
;-))))

Winetalk.com 10-09-2004 06:30 AM

here are the results of some internet polls:
http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/result...0.content.html

http://www2.foxnews.com/polls/poll_results...__basic_955.htm

http://info.detnews.com/poll/result.cfm?to...hall_debate&end

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0%2C1413...55707%2C00.html

pushpills 10-09-2004 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI@Oct 8 2004, 09:05 PM

Steve - you got a new girl?

Same one, the film student.


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