http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119896,00.html



Thursday, May 13, 2004

WASHINGTON — Nicholas Berg, the American businessman executed by Islamic extremists in Iraq, may have had contact with accused Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui (search).



FBI agents interviewed Berg a few years ago when they were investigating the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, sources said. He was interviewed because, unbeknownst to him, Moussaoui had used his e-mail account when he was in Oklahoma.

Sources close to the situation told Fox News that they believed the link to be "coincidental."

On Tuesday, a video surfaced on an Islamic Web site that showed Berg kneeling in front of five men who had their faces covered. After blasting the U.S. government for the prison abuse scandal at Iraq's Abu Ghraib (search) prison, one man takes a long knife and decapitates Berg.

Intelligence officials said Thursday that terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search) was most likely the man who beheaded Berg.

The disclosure later Thursday that Berg may have had contact with Moussaoui deepened the mystery of the businessman's plight.

Berg attended the University of Oklahoma (search) and Moussaoui first settled in Norman, Okla., when he came to the United States. The accused co-conspirator used at least one of the university's computers to communicate online, according to the sources.

Sources said that the FBI concluded that Berg had innocently given his e-mail account to someone and it had landed in the hands of other people, including Moussaoui.

The federal government has vowed to seek Moussaoui's execution if he's convicted of participating in a terrorism conspiracy, along with the Sept. 11 hijackers. Moussaoui's lawyers are seeking to rule out the death penalty.

looks like coinsedence to me...

Coincidence? ahaahahahahaaha! Yeah, right!

I'm going to give away my email address to someone and see if it ends up being used by Osama Bin Laden.

:D

...and this changes the fact that a group of camel jockey's are responsible for killing him in what way?

Fuckin' more liberal idiocy - blame everyone and everything cept the person(s) responsible. A philosophy of total irresponsibility, denial and excuses.

:okthumb: :okthumb: :okthumb:

Bush is responsible for every death in this war, on both sides.

And that's the bottom line.

Bush is responsible for every death in this war, on both sides.

And that's the bottom line.[/b][/quote]
said joe with IQ of a pencil sharpener....lack of Labret in your diet showing,
he is your nurishment, his IQ 20 points higher and happily stands at 96

The bottom line is that asshats like you will look for any reason to use selective reductionism to justify your conspiracies, deluded agenda's and intellectual failings in a desperate effort to blame anyone other than the actual agents.

Bush isn't responsible for those sand niggers killing that guy. Bush isn't responsible for those soldiers abusing those prisoners. Bush isnt' responsible for the sand niggers butchering women in afghanistan. Bush isn't responsible for that towel headed cleric hiding in mosques and so and and so on. Grown up people, something you obviously fail to grasp, make grown up decisions and are responsible for them. Those that look for excuses..are what they are - failures. You're not the intellectually superior - you're complete and total lack of even the basic premises of logic are profound to say the least...

Bush made the decision to go to war. Everything after that is a consequence of his decision.

I'm afraid it really is that simple.

Hitler started World War 2. Is he somehow not responsible for it's conseqences?



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at May 13 2004, 10:17 PM

Oh yes it is. Sadaam hussein made the decision to not comply with UN sanctions, the UN made the decisions to impose those sanctions. They made those decisions because he invaded Kuwait. He invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was oil rich and used to be a part of the Iraq...you can reduce shit to infinity...you, in your agenda driven "logic" only pick the degree of causality that suits your purpose...

It's intellectually inferior and demonstrative of blind devotion. Peripheral & implied causality is called the devil theory of history - it's laughed at because it's deserved to be. That's like saying "hitler caused ww2" - that's the simpleton's view of history and reality...



Last edited by aeon at May 13 2004, 10:29 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah... Bush always had the option not to go to war. There was no immediate threat. All that WMD scaremongering was all based on bullshit. Bush was simply using American anger at arabs/muslims after 9/11 to get public support for his warmongering and imperialist agenda.

The U.N. never gave Bush authorisation to invade Iraq. He made the decision. He is fucking responsible.

You can argue as long and as hard as you want but the logic is inescapable.

Accept it. Move on.



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at May 13 2004, 10:28 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah... Bush always had the option not to go to war. There was no immediate threat. All that WMD scaremongering was all based on bullshit. Bush was simply using American anger at arabs/muslims after 9/11 to get public support for his warmongering and imperialist agenda.

The U.N. never gave Bush authorisation to invade Iraq. He made the decision. He is fucking responsible.

You can argue as long and as hard as you want but the logic is inescapable.

Accept it. Move on.[/b][/quote]
You and Jerry Falwell are similar...you both pick the realities that support whatever delusion you adhere to.

Bush had the decision, so did those soldier, sand niggers and everyone else - but it seems no one other than bush has free will to make their own decisions...he must be a Diety considering how much he controls everyone and everything.

I guess they don't teach actual logic in commercial TV or bible school.



Last edited by aeon at May 13 2004, 10:32 PM

said joe with IQ of a pencil sharpener....lack of Labret in your diet showing,
he is your nurishment, his IQ 20 points higher and happily stands at 96[/b][/quote]
hahaha




anyway this was a coincidence i'd say.

You and Jerry Falwell are similar...you both pick the realities that support whatever delusion you adhere to.

Bush had the decision, so did those soldier, sand niggers and everyone else - but it seems no one other than bush has free will to make their own decisions...he must be a Diety considering how much he controls everyone and everything.

I guess they don't teach actual logic in commercial TV or bible school.[/b][/quote]
I didn't go to commercial TV school so I don't know what you're talking about.

I did a degree in Film and Television Production. I'm not sure what you are trying to imply by suggesting that my course was easy to get into but you are dead wrong.

500+ applications, 50 interviews, 18 places.

But back to the discussion, if Bush hadn't gone to war, none of this shit would ever have even happened. How's that for reality?

This discussion wouldn't even be taking place.

I don't know what reality you live in but I'd say it's about time you took off those star-spangled sunglasses and take a look around.





Last edited by Joe Sixpack at May 13 2004, 10:58 PM

hahaha




anyway this was a coincidence i'd say.[/b][/quote]
You know, in Australia "Grogan" is slang for shit.

Does that surprise you?

So ... it's a coincidence that the FBI interviewed him some time ago about possible ties to al Qaida

...AND that his father is a prominent antiwar activist

...AND the Americans didn't have him in detention, the fully independent (cough) Iraqi police did ...

Whole lotta coincidences going on here, don'tcha think? (aimed mostly at future readers of this thread ... thinking is not a quality I think many of the current posters engage in).

To any fucktards who think they are intelligent, please note - I did not say it was a vast conspiracy. I did say that something don't smell quite right. It is probable that this was a guy in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that his goodwill toward men didn't serve him very well with the nasty sort of folks that ended up killing him.

On the other hand, you gotta be a moron to look at the facts and pretend that you can definitively state it's a coincidence. Stranger things than cooperation between the fully independent (cough) Iraqi police and terrorist organizaitons happen in a country under anarchy ... and by gawdamitey, the timing was somewhat fortuitous for people hoping to get the attention away from the prisoner abuse incidents.

Coincidence? Probably ... but I can't rule out the possibility that somebody's trying to sell me a Kosher ham, either.

Hi pot, let me introduce you to kettle...

Your overuse of term 'sand niggers' is pretty pathetic language. Expected more from you than employing the tactic of name calling and pandering your debate to score points with the baser lurkers...

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It is probable that this was a guy in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that his goodwill toward men didn't serve him very well with the nasty sort of folks that ended up killing him.[/quote]

PD,

Very much agree with this and your other comments... The whole 'when have lemons make lemonaide...' type of reasoning seems to have been afoot...



Last edited by XXXPhoto at May 13 2004, 11:31 PM

You know, in Australia "Grogan" is slang for shit.

Does that surprise you?[/b][/quote]
yea i've heard this, no surprise, you guys have it all backwards


in the U.S. it's slang for stud.



Last edited by pushpills at May 14 2004, 01:27 AM

Here I thought it stood for:

Get Really Obnoxious, Get Another Nickname

Look, junior ... we all know that politics bores you, and that you think this war ought to be fought as long as it's not by your pussy ass ...

but, come on now ... you're going to have to do more than agree with Serge in threads like this to impress him.

let the grownups talk for a while, son.

Look, junior ... we all know that politics bores you, and that you think this war ought to be fought as long as it's not by your pussy ass ...

but, come on now ... you're going to have to do more than agree with Serge in threads like this to impress him.

let the grownups talk for a while, son.[/b][/quote]
please, i posted hahaha at the pencil sharpener comment and my opinion.

you can skip on over it, wouldn't bother me. and my pussy ass wouldn't be caught dead or alive in that desert, i'll pay my taxes and say its a good cause once in a while that's it.

You are amusing in a kind of Eddie Haskell way, boy ... but I guaran-goddam-tee you, you would become a militant antiwar activist about 15 minutes after they passed a new draft law.

You are amusing in a kind of Eddie Haskell way, boy ... but I guaran-goddam-tee you, you would become a militant antiwar activist about 15 minutes after they passed a new draft law.[/b][/quote]
no i'd be transfering funds to canada and packing my longjohns.

pssst...the draft isn't comming back. :)

hahahaha

but at least hes honest ..

hahahaha

but at least hes honest ..[/b][/quote]
True... But one man's honesty is another man's opinion... and we all know what those are like... :awinky:

As everyone knows, I support this war and Bush in it.

However the Berg thing is bugging me, I would like to know what the real story is.

Coincidence, but damn weird!

wouldn't we all...

I try to be an optimist most of the time, but I just can't...I've lost so much faith in our government and the people in power

I'm a bright eyed optimist who wants to believe some of our leaders are caring people who really want to do good, but it just seems there are more cockholsters running the country than in the adult business.

I'd trust Jon Atherton with my bank account information more than my duly elected representatives to mow my lawn...

I like to laugh at the tinfoil hate people, but find myself getting closer to them than I really feelo comfortable with.

I'd like to form an educated opinion on this whole fucking thing, but those are quite hard to do when there's more smoke and mirrors going on than at a Sigfried And Roy Christmas Show.....

I'd like to form an educated opinion on this whole fucking thing, but those are quite hard to do when there's more smoke and mirrors going on than at a Sigfried And Roy Christmas Show.....[/b][/quote]
Exactly.... there's just much too much going on underneath this to really get a handle on what actually happened. I doubt that we'll ever fully know.

here's another coincidence.

not only was berg wearing a guantanamo-style prison jumpsuit, it turns out al quaeda also shops for furniture at the same store as the US military:

http://rense.com/general52/chair.htm

I didn't go to commercial TV school so I don't know what you're talking about.

I did a degree in Film and Television Production. I'm not sure what you are trying to imply by suggesting that my course was easy to get into but you are dead wrong.

500+ applications, 50 interviews, 18 places.

But back to the discussion, if Bush hadn't gone to war, none of this shit would ever have even happened. How's that for reality?

This discussion wouldn't even be taking place.

I don't know what reality you live in but I'd say it's about time you took off those star-spangled sunglasses and take a look around.[/b][/quote]
I"m sure the criteria was unbelievably high...and obviously forgot to include critical thinking in it's curriculum.

Back to the point - devoid of "star spangled" blinders, simpletons such as yourself always seek the simplest answers that don't challenge their "faith"...that's why televangelists get rich...

It's all bush's fault...accept it.
Jesus died for your sins...accept it.
Hitler is solely responsible for ww2...accept it.

All are tantamount to the cognitive functioning of a wife beating, nigger hating, southern baptist - just some are more politically correct.

btw - don't take it too personally...people like you are great things - I'm happy you exist...without clowns like you, buff and grogan - who would people laugh at? Trying to demonstrate you're in the first grade to a bunch of kindergartners at GFY doesn't impress grown ups.



Last edited by aeon at May 14 2004, 02:11 PM

I would say, not a coincedence, and count me in with the liberals, I want to be as far away from Bush as possible, and believe he and rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes when the day is done!

That said, I hope they fry the guy lopping off the heads of americans too.

but we should not be there, however that does not make the barbarianism any less dispicable either.

ahahahahahahahaha... yeah sure, just like it's all the liberal's fault. Hello pot, meet kettle.

Sorry, but I haven't seen any evidence of critical thinking on this board from you, just anti-leftist, barely comprehensible dribble.

I've got to say, watching you attempting to pass yourself off as some kind of intellectual superior is extremely humourous. Especially when you even have difficulty stringing complete sentences together. "..." is no excuse for not understanding proper punctuation.

Yes, the sort of person who would use the term "camel Jockey"

So what exactly is Bush responsible for? Why don't you enlighten us all?

Explain to us how is all the liberals fault that Bush went to war in Iraq?

I'd love a good giggle.



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at May 14 2004, 04:21 PM

I"m sure the criteria was unbelievably high...and obviously forgot to include critical thinking in it's curriculum.

Back to the point - devoid of "star spangled" blinders, simpletons such as yourself always seek the simplest answers that don't challenge their "faith"...that's why televangelists get rich...

It's all bush's fault...accept it.
Jesus died for your sins...accept it.
Hitler is solely responsible for ww2...accept it.

All are tantamount to the cognitive functioning of a wife beating, nigger hating, southern baptist - just some are more politically correct.

btw - don't take it too personally...people like you are great things - I'm happy you exist...without clowns like you, buff and grogan - who would people laugh at? Trying to demonstrate you're in the first grade to a bunch of kindergartners at GFY doesn't impress grown ups.[/b][/quote]
Aeon: I bet your primary education was "free."

Nah ... a down-rite in-tee-lektul like aeon has just got to have him a private edumakashun.

wheee...now we have all the fuckwads hopping on board! A right wing tard who can only make a living fucking whores for someone else, a person who believed wiccans were actually burned at the stake, and a junky liberal twit...it's a homoerotic version of the three stooges on acid!

The bars close in a few hours - to be continued. :stout:



Last edited by aeon at May 14 2004, 08:34 PM

who is a junkie liberal twit?

Yo, shitferbrains ... as I recall, I admitted that I was incorrect in stating that Wicans were burned at the stake. I also think that the meaning of the post I made was reasonably accurate in spite of that particular error.

But you seem to remember it better than I do.

Yo, shitferbrains ... as I recall, I admitted that I was incorrect in stating that Wicans were burned at the stake. I also think that the meaning of the post I made was reasonably accurate in spite of that particular error.

But you seem to remember it better than I do.[/b][/quote]
PD, you and aeon have a lot in common -- I am surprised you guys aren't better friends.

PD, you and aeon have a lot in common -- I am surprised you guys aren't better friends.[/b][/quote]
There is no sense in getting personal, Buff ...