Steve is sick and tired of all these posts from people who don't know ANYTHING
about this case talking out their ass. What this industry needs is a cohesive
group to fight the forces that want to put us ALL out of business. Steve is taking his stand
for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
Special thanks to Good Chris, Evil Chris and Raw Alex for their support.

So Mike - I've been authorized by Steve to post a proposal for a private wager.

Since you're so sure he will be convicted in his trial he's offering to personally bet you $11,000.

That's right. $11k.

That's $1000 per count. There are currently 11 counts against him and for every count he is found guilty he will pay you $1000.
For every count he's found not guilty you will pay $1000 towards our already extensive legal bills.

What do you say Mike? Ready to put your money where your mouth is?

In Steve's own words: "Tell that loudmouth punk to put up or shut up!"

First, there is no coheisve industry. This is an industry where people fuck each other day in and day out. If someone can make an extra dime by shaving a little more they do it. If someone can make a little more by doing shady cross sales, cramming of credit cards they will. If they can make a little more money by pushing the boundaries of porn, then will.

Is Steve looking out for me? Is Steve helping out those being sued by Acacia?

As far as the bet, no way I am going to make it. I do not know the Canadian legal system, nor do I know the prosecutors. Many times cases come down to who has the better attorneys ( Do you think OJ is really innocent?). So I am not going to put my money on some prosecutor that works for the Candian gov't!

Steve should be focusing on his legal battles, not worrying making bets with "loud mouth punks" and the false fantasty of industry cohesivness.

MikeAI


so.... HUH?

What this industry needs is a cohesive
group to fight the forces that want to put us ALL out of business.
************************************************** ******

I don't know about ALL,
but I can live with 90% of _all_ to be out of this business
;-))))

I also volunteer my services to hold $11,000 in escrow acount in any currency of your choice!

(no conversion fees, I swear!)

can you play the clip where the model is choking on his cum and she pulls her head away and he gets pissed off and starts yelling at her "for ruining my cum shot" before we make a decision?

I stand by this statement.

I do not know Canadian obscenity law, but some of the content Steve has produced I personally find in poor taste, and think that it helps bring the wrong kind of attention to this industry.

If the Sweets want to talk about cohesiveness, we should be asking them why they are making our cohesive group look so bad, and being put under a microscope from ashcroft, and other anti-porn people by producing content with girls being urinated on, and other things like this.

The Sweets have pushed the limits for their OWN personal benefits - $$$. ( which is a great thing, that is what industry is about) But don't expect the rest of us to cheer and support them!

No - this industry does not need a cohesive group to "fight the forces that want to put us ALL out of business"

- I prefer my own company and don't want to or care to be included with some in the industry

and no thanks, I don't care to support anyone but myself or anyone's cause but my own

I don't wish any harm or ill will to the Sweet's but their fight is just that, their fight - not mine and please don't candy coat anything or suggest any support should be offered

Max, could you or Steve show me where Michael said this? I haven't seen it. :unsure:

Hmmm.. point proven. No one knows any details of the case so judging before hand is presumptuous.

As for a cohesive community, we never really expected support but that's when the fight gets more interesting.
All anyone REALLY has is their own talents and wits to get by and that's all we've ever really counted on.

neither Martha Stewart, nor Steve were aware of what was going on, your Honor!

All those fabrications are manufactured by those antisemites who beleive that Holocost never existed!

all this innocence from someone advertising Max Hardcore in his sig.

Can Steve send over one of the smarter "Sweets"? I fear I am wasting valueable key stroke on a moron.

also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.

Mike I don't even know you and you don't know me. I posted a legitimate offer for a wager from Steve, that's all. How does this make me a moron?

JR - The area of BDSM has always been grey in Canadian law. We felt that this lifestyle has come a long way in the last 2 decades and that it was time for the law to start reflecting these changes. True that they came after us but we are going to use the opportunity to change things hopefully for the better...

also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.[/b][/quote]
I never seen Steve's content,
I met him in Vegas and enjoyed his company
(no, he wasn't choking me with his dick)

I can only quote Goidfather when he said NO to Solozzo (the Turk)
"It's not my business how you make your living"

I don't ask anybody to share my views,
cuz at the end of the day it all doesn't matter.

also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.[/b][/quote]


Don't you know Oprano is home of the No Spin Zone!

Don't feed us bullshit saying how Steve is fighting for us! He is fighting for himself.

It comes down to cost/benefit analysis. Steve gambled, and probably made some nice money by taking risks others passed on- thus he benefited. Now the cost is coming back around...

Not sure what this has to do with me? or why I should be cheering Steve on. I do not remember getting any benefits from Steve....

Don't you know Oprano is home of the No Spin Zone!

Don't feed us bullshit saying how Steve is fighting for us! He is fighting for himself.

It comes down to cost/benefit analysis. Steve gambled, and probably made some nice money by taking risks others passed on- thus he benefited. Now the cost is coming back around...

Not sure what this has to do with me? or why I should be cheering Steve on. I do not remember getting any benefits from Steve....[/b][/quote]
fuck you, Mike,
stop reading my mind,
you posted my thoughts VERBATUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe he wants to become a Martyr....

:agrin:

fuck you, Mike,
stop reading my mind,
you posted my thoughts VERBATUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b][/quote]


Serge I know you were thinking the same thing, that is why at the same time I was posting, I pulled my pants down!

:D

Being a martyr would fall under the BDSM lifestyle, no? B)

Truthfully Mike you're just the fall guy that's all. We thought we'd try and spice things up around here as every one likes a good bet!

Being a martyr would fall under the BDSM lifestyle, no? B)[/b][/quote]

LOL.. we're getting the cross built for the dungeon as we speak.

Max I only bet when I know the outcome.... :D

ok, you wanna spice?
I give you spice,
I'll take the bet .

send MikeAI $11,000 to hold in escrow acount and I'll do the same

:okthumb:

Now I know what the outcome will be.................... :groucho:

so.....do you need his wiring instructions?

MikeAI is getting called out?

What was he IN? The closet? The duldrums?

Awesome! Now we're talking.

Our lawyer will need to get involved in drawing up an agreement
but Steve has no problems with putting up the money into an escrow account.

Email me the details here: max AT sweetentertainment dot com

I don't know if you have his contact info but I can include that in an email reply.

Let's get it on!

A lawyer needed for a bet ???

Man, this industry has changed...... :headwall:

wanna really make it exciting and MIND BOGGLING???

With LOTS of adrenalin to pass around?

How about we make it $500,000 for Jail time/No jail time?????

if Steve beats the wrap, his victory will be REAL Sweet!
;-))))

whatta you say?????

:popcorn: :bjump: :cdance: :bojump: :cdance: :bjump:

wanna really make it exciting and MIND BOGGLING???

With LOTS of adrenalin to pass around?

How about we make it $500,000 for Jail time/No jail time?????

if Steve beats the wrap, his victory will be REAL Sweet!
;-))))

whatta you say?????[/b][/quote]
That's a "SWEET" bet!

I apologize in advance for the lame pun!

wanna really make it exciting and MIND BOGGLING???

With LOTS of adrenalin to pass around?

How about we make it $500,000 for Jail time/No jail time?????

if Steve beats the wrap, his victory will be REAL Sweet!
;-))))

whatta you say?????[/b][/quote]
and if he loses he can pay the half a mil by making some video's in prison ...

i'm sure the attitude to bondage is very open there!

Woah woah let's just see if you can handle the 11k first Sege.

But just for the record there is no way in HELL there will be
jail time involved. Even if it does happen we've been wanting to
open a gay site anyway and that's one place to get free talent LOL

i remember when all this happened and i remember reading the charges/accusations in some form. it was a while ago and i don't remember if it was actual documents posted on the boards or articles or what. I do remember taking a big interest in what was going on because its something that could affect everyone.

i also remember doing some research and reaching the opinion that Canadian law was anything but gray as others have already pointed out in this thread and after hearing the stories and seeing the content, i found it fairly easy to accept that the charges possibly had merit. the allegations as i recall were very specific as well. So when you combine very black and white laws, with very specific allegations and charges in what will surely be a high profile case, a prudent thing to do would be to give the prosecution the benefit of the doubt.

i think its a big stretch to suggest that there is a victem here. NO ONE, Canadian or otherwise is suggesting there is an unfair witch hunt going on. NO ONE, Canadian or otherwise is suggesting that the content does not push the limits of the law. At best, everyone is saying "Steve is a nice guy, i wish him the best" which is great. I am sure he is a nice guy with a log of friends and there is no question that he has been around.

but there is no martyr here. even you just said yourself "has always been a grey area of Canadian law" - well... if you believe that to be true, then why push the limits of that "gray area" knowing that you will be making yourself a target? that was a choice. just like standing in front of a train is a choice. that choice we see, now has consequences... just as every choice does.

this situation to me seems to be similar to what happened to Extreme Associates... you push the limits and you bring the wrong kind of attention to your business and to the industry while at the same time making yourself the most obvious target. when those guys ran into legal problems, the entire industry did not rally behind them in a show of support... the rolled their eyes and said "it was just a matter of time and i hope it does not create too much problems for us"... just as people are with this issue.

LMFAO

translation: fuck off, steve doesn't have 500k to spare on a bet and he's not that confident of winning

Max,
I dunno about you, but I KNOW Steve and what makes him tick...he LIVES for the shit like that.

My wife, LadyLaw, knows him even better...not carnally, but nevertheless.
Just pass the offer and see what happens.

Sorry I showed no interest in 11k bet,
I don't play for peanuts.

I see, I cum, I conquer...not bad for a sub if you ask me
;-0)))))

I have GREAT confidence that even if Steve loses,
he'll enjoy prison time more than the most of us,
and 2/3rd of the prison be his bitches in a matter of 2 weeks.

so......are we gonna play or whistle Dixie?????
(or should I spell it like dicksie?, English is my 3rd language, you have to bare with me ;-)))))

JR - Good post. It looks like you've put a lot of thought into it. However I don't think the Extreme case is any comparison as the BDSM content we produce is not that much different than half a dozen other sites producing content in the US. What this REALLY boils down to is the local police and what their definitions are. We'll soon see if the court agrees with them or not.

i remember when all this happened and i remember reading the charges/accusations in some form. it was a while ago and i don't remember if it was actual documents posted on the boards or articles or what. I do remember taking a big interest in what was going on because its something that could affect everyone.

i also remember doing some research and reaching the opinion that Canadian law was anything but gray as others have already pointed out in this thread and after hearing the stories and seeing the content, i found it fairly easy to accept that the charges possibly had merit. the allegations as i recall were very specific as well. So when you combine very black and white laws, with very specific allegations and charges in what will surely be a high profile case, a prudent thing to do would be to give the prosecution the benefit of the doubt.

i think its a big stretch to suggest that there is a victem here. NO ONE, Canadian or otherwise is suggesting there is an unfair witch hunt going on. NO ONE, Canadian or otherwise is suggesting that the content does not push the limits of the law. At best, everyone is saying "Steve is a nice guy, i wish him the best" which is great. I am sure he is a nice guy with a log of friends and there is no question that he has been around.

but there is no martyr here. even you just said yourself "has always been a grey area of Canadian law" - well... if you believe that to be true, then why push the limits of that "gray area" knowing that you will be making yourself a target? that was a choice. just like standing in front of a train is a choice. that choice we see, now has consequences... just as every choice does.

this situation to me seems to be similar to what happened to Extreme Associates... you push the limits and you bring the wrong kind of attention to your business and to the industry while at the same time making yourself the most obvious target. when those guys ran into legal problems, the entire industry did not rally behind them in a show of support... the rolled their eyes and said "it was just a matter of time and i hope it does not create too much problems for us"... just as people are with this issue.[/b][/quote]


This pretty much sums it up.