Apparently Eric, the idiot who keeps annoying everyone as SobeGirl, is a thief. He supposedly jack content from another producer named Joe.

Apparently could resell the content for Joe, but had to charge at least $40 per - well Eric starts selling it to everyone for $5 per... So now Joe's content has no value.

I even hear there will be a lawsuit.... it will possibly be extended to everyone who has bought content from SobeGirl...

SO DO NOT BUY HIS CONTENT, IT WOULD BE BUYING A POSSIBLE LAWSUIT!!!!

Mike, you should have made this one a poll.....

:lol:

Well sarettah, I made the post so people do not get burned.

I hate seeing people ripped off.... not only content producers, but also webmasters.

Understood...

I went ahead and took care of the poll option though :)

Actually it is not true. I do have permission in writing to sell the content and everything else. Nobody has to worry about anything. Joe is pissed about me selilng the content cheap but he has no legal basis to be anything other than that, just pissed. Joe sold me the content with resale rights but never specified a floor price. Only after I started selilng it did he start making rules for me to follow. Joe did post on several boards that he would sue me if I did not stop but we worked it out. I have a lot of respect for Joe and his work, after all I would not even sell his stuff if I did not.

So Eric, you claim you did have the right to resell.... Do you think you screwed him over by lowering the price like you did? Maybe take advantage of him?

Was there anykind of implied price?

Not really. I do not believe that any one content provider has the power to do that. And I don't know if you noticed but there is a price war on content these days. You can get gigs and gigs of content now for one tenth of the cost it was one year ago. I looked around and saw that the biz was changing and webmasters want bulk deals at rock bottom prices. Those who have been in biz and survived this hard last year are scoopin it up and they know that when things turn around, and priced come back up, they will be sitting pretty. And we have all sorts of competition from very good producers overseas who can get every thing done much cheaper and this is also beating prices down too. I don't like selling content cheap either. Please note too, that most of the sobegirl site are shots done by me. I did not buy all the content you see on sobegirl from someone else. I made it myself. I am selling my sets for low prices as well. Am I fucking myself? Good question. Only time will tell.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...1f7b2a5f658762a

Hmm..well that is not a no and it is not a yes...

As far as not believing that any one content provider has the power, etc... Huh ??? Of course a content provider has the power to set a minimum price with a broker.... What is not to believe ??

So, was there a minimum stated or implied, whether in writing or not ??

The people who survived did so because their content is not up on every TGP on the web because the TGP webmasters can't afford their content.

Prices for your kind of bulk rubbish reseller content won't come up ever again. Like with everything else, if there is a lot of it out there it has no value.

Have you considered a new career in burger flipping?

Finally we have some intellectual conversation in here instead of OHH MY GOSH< ERIK IS A CROOK>> mamma mia....

First of all when I took ownership of the content that I paid for by check and have a copy of that check, I also got the model release forms and photo IDs so I could legally sell it. There was no talk of price I could sell it for at that time. Only after the price war hit like a storm did it come up. So you be the judge. Can I do what I want or not? I say legally yes, personally - do I feel bad if for say, someone goes out of biz becuase of this? NOt really. Remember and this is a very important point. I am selling my content shoots for the same low prices. My shots, the ones that I did and there are more than 200 of those. I am not doing this to get any one. I am doing this becuase I operate in a free market. And the market is much bigger than I am. I cannot control it, I have to work with it.

And you still have conveniently NOT answered my question....

You say you "took ownership" and paid by check.

Do you own the content with reseller rights, or are you brokering the content ?

Was there a minimum price level either explicity spelled out or implied in some manner ?

Did you do up a contract or license agreement detailing the resale or broker agreement ?

And btw... I don't think anyone here could care less if you are fucking yourself over in some manner, that is your right.

Most of us will care if you are fucking someone else over...

You have a chance here to tell your side of the story... You are not using that chance very well at this point...imho...

And you still have conveniently NOT answered my question....

You say you "took ownership" and paid by check.

Do you own the content with reseller rights, or are you brokering the content ?

I am not a broker. The original producer does not get royalties from my sales. I have reeseller rights - Yes.

Was there a minimum price level either explicity spelled out or implied in some manner ? Not at the purchase date. Only after content was processed by me and put up for sale.

Did you do up a contract or license agreement detailing the resale or broker agreement ?
Yes, any other questions? All very good ones too. And Like I said I have model rel forms and Photo IDs as well.

SoBeGirl is as legit as always. 3 years in this biz and no complaints and I plan on keeping it that way.

Well, thats not quite true....

Apparently the guy you bought the content from is complaining...

and there were complaints about your business acumen or practices on the flat board...

But, thank you for answering....

I am out of here for the night now...

peace

guys, I don't know about what you think,
but the guy did grow since his last debacle here...

he is much more argumentative and definatelly has logic.

I just was sitting here wondering if this is REALLY the same sobegirlEric.. I'm impressed he managed to keep up the brain dead persona so long!

I believed :( Got me hook line and sinker... :( :(

Next thing you know that space cadet chick from sobegirl that used to pop in for chats with Cj a while back will turn out to be a rhodes scholar!!

I hate to say it, but from all I've read on this, it seems to me that this Joe guy was not a good businessman, that he did not specifiy a minimum resale value and other clauses in his contract, and he then bitched later when it was too late.

Sounds like someone who sold a piece of swamp land in Jersey for a buck an acre. Then purchaser then turns around and sells it to a casino for a billion and the first guy scream "theif". Oh well, life's just a bitch aint it?

So with the provisio that all of this is true, then this Joe person, not Erik, is the idiot. In which case I'm surprised to see all the capitalists here suddenly running to the bad businessman's side.





Last edited by Dravyk at Jun 5 2003, 06:54 AM

Yeah, sounds like the swamp land deal to me too.

But, I don't think so many would have been as hot to yell thief if:

1. Eric did not have a previous somewhat blackmarked history

2. He had explained it straight up rather than having to have it wrung out of him.

Just imho

where can i buy this set?
how many sets did Stacy and Jennifer shoot with you?
does anyone know if anyone besides SoBeGirl has these two models?

http://www.pleasurelabs.com/pics/sobegirls.jpg

Mike AI where is some similar content to SOBEGIRL in pricing but the same quality?

I kind of like the stuff I saw on his site.
In 7 years in this business the only content I've ever personally umm
'watched' for enjoyment MYSELF is like Bignaturals and bangbus and what not.
Also BOOTY TALK. I like that. lol iDEEPTHROAT is nice, milf hunter

I started in the business when I was 16 though!!!!!!

This is the kind of stuff I'm looking for to buy for my paysites, also
like busty-amateurs.

I like all that shit. Sobegirls seems exactly the same to me except with some
ghetto bitches..:)

All those cumshots he has on sobegirls you could start a nice cumshot site for nothing.

Don't forget all the new Internet users who have never seen ANY content whether
it's oversold or not.

I essentially retired when I turned 19 because I thought I was some hotshot.
Well that and I got a girl pregnant. Now I'm back.

So I'm like an O.G. NEWBIE.
I'm into the REALITY shit where can I get it!!!

Yes I know there are websites that list all this stuff but somebody with experience
wanna send me right to the proper place since you think sobe is such crap?

wtf ? who buys content anyway man whats usenet there for

joshuawk I like SobeGirl content as well, some of it is pretty decent. I am just paranoid of buying it, and getting involved in a lawsuit.

At the prices he is selling it, the content is everywhere - and thus is not good for much but free sites, or filler....

CUSTOM CONTENT is where it is at.... That is why Mutt is doing well, and other content guys are suffering....

joshuawk, If your looking/needing some reality stuff email me dannyh at simplecom.net I've got a good lead for ya. It's not cheap though:)

custom content biz is good but prices ain't great, lots
of competition in that end of it too.

the licensed content biz seems really soft, and that is sad. i can go from TGP to TGP site, tens of thousands of galleries out there, where does the content come from? Majority is still stolen.

since i'm considering opening a licensed content shop i've been researching, asking questions. If the info i've been given is halfway reliable it's really not a great business to be getting into.

Eric/Sobe whether Joe ever explicitly told you that you couldn't discount his content under $40 per video, you KNOW what you did was wrong and very unethical at best.

Brokers can't be trusted, they worry about ONE person, the broker.
Guess I can't paint them all as sleazy cuz Marco one of the guys I work with says Ouinique has always been a class act.

I did nothing wrong or unethical. You still don't mention that I am selling my own shoots, more than 150 of them for the same prices. I would not want to fuck myself. You are not correct. I am simply following the market here.

And exclusive content market is for shit, I can tell you that. I can barely get a buyer for 1500 exclusive shoots. This is why a lot of content production is just going overseas like what I will be doing now. Over there I have hotter more willing girls doing things for cheaper.

Here in America I need 2500 dollars for an exclusive shoot and I can tell you that for a fact there are very few buyers willing to spend that kind of money. I am not shooting exclusives to make little dough and have no residual income for it int thr future. Believe me the exclusive market bottom has dropped out also and anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to bolster prices.

I am now selling exclusive shoos for 300 dollars each. People don't like when I post that becuase it pisses them off but I don't care anymore.

I am not saying that the resale-able sobegirl content is the most valuable content in the world and for $1500 you can get 200 of the greatest shoots in the world. But look at the facts. Buy it in bulk at around 5 dollars a set and you have an incredible deal that no one with a pay site should pass up. You can even download all of it right off my FTP server. Just buy it.

JR -

That was just creepy - a la "The Hot Chick" creepy. Ick!

Let's pray they didn't do any other sets....m'kay? :blink:

I bought the content and I'm going to build a site or two with it. I'm not going to complain about companies giving bulk discounts on nice content. I bought the Clutch Content deal too.

Look its the Minger Brothers!

Rictor, I agree with you - getting any deals on anything is awesome!!

Just be careful.... IT is always easier when you know where you are buying content, knowing they have legal rights to sell, or shot it themselves.

I have had people I busted with my content who bought CDs from people online, and it was nothing but my girls. So they ended up paying the guy $500 for the CD,and then had to take it down or else I would have sued....

Thanks Danny. And mutt you have content too?

I wanna buy some!~

I know this dude who has exclusive girls from the ukraine.
They're either REALLY ugly or really fine.
weeird...

So is this SOBE guy like seventeen? He seems kind of defensive and immature lol.

I'll still buy his content though.

It's all about amateur bitches getting fucked and suckin dick!

Believe me I have like 30 friends in college and they all join
the reality porn sites all the time.

I don't know much about the 50 year old freaks who do BDSM and what not but I'll have to learn.

I purposely missed my flight to Montreal today because it seemed like nobody
going to CYBERNEt, hope im not missing out.


PEace

Hi Probably Confusy,

I agree, the amateur porn is the best. People love it. You can get this special deal I am offering. You can get a lot of content for just $1500.00. It will probably take you a year to go through all of it but that is what adult webmasters do all day and night anyway.

I know what you mean about those russian girls. But even the ones that are pretty look like they need to eat. I prefer the full figured latin beauties.

Don't let the SoBeHaters get to you. They are just jelous or something, I am not really sure what there problem is. I think it is just that they have nothing better to do. All I have to do is comein here and say Hi and I will get negative replies. It does not even bother me anymore. I mean look at that Moron Tim. He does not even know me, never met me, never talked to one of my customers, nothing. The problem with him is that his replies are not even funny like Serge's are.

So what do you do Confushy? Do you have some pay sites? Hit me up on ICQ if you want to put together a deal on some SoBeGirl content... 97934302

And for the record I am not 17, I wish I were. Gosh if I knew what I know now when I was 17,, I would be lethal..

It may take me a while to stop laughing over this one... :yowsa:

Does confushi eat suchi?

I have had problems with content providers in the past. I now do a lot of research before I buy content and I do not buy content from a company I have never heard of or some one without a legitimate site.

You need not worry. I have permissions to sell any content I have from other providers in writing. Nobody is getting sued and nobody is in trouble. Mike, it would have been nice if you brought this to my attention instead of smearing it all over Oprano but I can take it.

The deal for the 200 Video / Picture shoots still stands. I have made a lot of webmasters happy with this deal and I feel good about that. SoBeGirl is not a thief, Erik is not a liar. It does sound like MIke has a problem though.

Seems that on GFY he is being roasted for ripping people off. You should not throw stones MIkey...

My replies aren't meant to be funny, they are meant to be insulting and offensive.

Look at this thread about you on GFY:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.p...threadid=140216

You are hated and despised on every webmaster board you post. Do you think the problem is with you or with everybody else?

TimBore,

For every hater there is out there for SoBeGirl there are 1000 more lovers. For your info, all the guys on that thread are now considered my friends. If you like I will post the threads from GFY that say how much my customers love me and how respected I am... There are tons of them.

You however are peculiar. I wonder what you have done in your life or in this biz to be calling other people names? What are your credentials besides a little latchkey peon worker for Serge? Were you unemployed before serge gave you this job that makes you think you are sooo powerful...Ohhh, A board moderator, how loftly, how impressive. You are nothing but a peeon hater. You don't bother me one bit looser.

Did I miss the memo where Timon started working for Serge and/or got a promotion to "board moderator"? :agrin:

I used to give blowjobs behind central station in exchange for rocks of crack. Serge was my most regular customer, he was so impressed with my cock sucking skills that he hired me as his full time cock boy. Then I climbed through the ranks of cockboy to piss boy and Serge ended up becoming my cockboy. Serge now gives me blowjobs in exchange for moderation services.

See if you have a career going from cockboy to having your own cockboy that gives you all the credentials you need to piss with whomever you want.

If you are so popular on GFY then why don't you go post there? It would be interesting to read.

Yep I can be quite loose at times, but thank god I'm not a LOSER like you! ;-))