Same one, the film student. [/b][/quote]
The Asian chick?

The Asian chick? [/b][/quote]
no.

she was 1 of two "fillers" when we were kinda possibly breaking up.


6 month anniversary in 2 weeks.

OK, this is the one that you didn't think was cute enough for you?

I get so confused :(

And in that 6 month, how much was "break up" time? :awinky:

I thought Bush did marginally better than last time.

As far as playing religious angles ... while Bush pandered to the "civilization as we know it will end if God is removed from the pledge" crowd, Kerry did just as well with his thoughtful answer on abortion - "I respect your right to your beliefs, but as a public servant I can't force my beliefs on other people." There are an awful lot of Roman Catholics out there - not very noisy ones, but a lot of them nonetheless - who share that belief.

I didn't watch this debate, but from everything I had read, my predicton was wrong - Bush didn't manage to make a major fuckup, although the Supreme Court thing is pretty close.

I think that Kerry is doing a very good job of staying in the game, and his performance in debate one apprears to have really put him right back to "tie with a little lead" in the polls. I truly think that most people expect their sitting president to be able to blow all competition out of the water. Bush has failed at this most massively, and instead his best is to look about average.

My big prediction? The Bush family legacy will be one term presidents.

Alex

What bothered me is that Kerry said yeah, he can't enforce his beliefs on others, while at the same time saying that he was in favor of using tax dollars to fund abortions for people who couldn't afford them. So he wouldn't force his belief that abortion is wrong on people by trying to get abortion outlawed or something, but he'd enforce the idea that abortion is a right, by forcing taxpayers who might be opposed to abortion to pay for other people's abortions.

I appreciated his honesty on the issue, even if he was circumlocutory about it, but a lot of people are not going to want to be taxed to pay for abortions. I'm one of them.

Also, Bush really sidestepped the issue about why has he not vetoed a single spending bill, and why, with a Republican Congress (supposedly the fiscal conservatives in politics), has he, a Republican President, run up spending so much. He evaded and twisted his answer all over the place. He cited the war and the recession as reasons for the huge spending, but the questioner had already accounted for those and used numbers which were altered as such. He really had no answer for why his administration makes Bill Clinton look like a right wing fanatic fiscally.

It's funny how many people I read think Bush did better this time, but most of the polls think he did a lot worst. I didn't watch either and won't be watching the 3rd one - is it just that Kerry did SO much better that the polls are weird?

What bothered me is that Kerry said yeah, he can't enforce his beliefs on others, while at the same time saying that he was in favor of using tax dollars to fund abortions for people who couldn't afford them. So he wouldn't force his belief that abortion is wrong on people by trying to get abortion outlawed or something, but he'd enforce the idea that abortion is a right, by forcing taxpayers who might be opposed to abortion to pay for other people's abortions.

I appreciated his honesty on the issue, even if he was circumlocutory about it, but a lot of people are not going to want to be taxed to pay for abortions. I'm one of them. [/b][/quote]
Buff,
as a taxpayer I am opposed to:
being taxed
having my tax dollars buy military equipment I do not approve,
pay for new china at the White House every time new president is elected,
and etc, etc, etc...

do you find my objections ridiculous?
'cuz I am surely find yours to be
;-)))

Buff,
as a taxpayer I am opposed to:
being taxed
having my tax dollars buy military equipment I do not approve,
pay for new china at the White House every time new president is elected,
and etc, etc, etc...

do you find my objections ridiculous?
'cuz I am surely find yours to be
;-))) [/b][/quote]
You missed the point. I understand that above and beyond being opposed to getting taxed in the first place, most people are opposed to specific spending that their tax dollars are going toward.

My point was that in the very same sentence that Kerry said it would be wrong for him to impose the values of some people on other people, he said he was going to impose the values of some people on other people.

It seemed to me - and I freely acknowledge it's hard for me to be objective about it because of the strength of my feelings* - that Bush was appealing more to his base on the religious right, while Kerry was speaking more to the nation as a whole.

You are right about that.

Of course, I noticed it more when Bush was talking about not appointing Supreme Court justices that will do this or that "because of their own personal beliefs instead of the law." Of course, what one believes the law to be is a matter of personal belief, but hey ...

* That's why I have to ask my girlfriend who SHE thought did better in the debates ... she's far less biased toward either side than I am.

I had to record the debate on Friday night as I was busy, and I only watched it last night.

My thought is that there wasn't much difference from the first debate. Bush was constantly on the defensive, contrary to his mindset of how the USA must always be on the offence. Am I the only one who noticed this?

Kerry is a much smarter, more reasonable man. He thinks before he acts, and allows himself to change gears to suit the best needs of the issue at hand. This is what the Republicans love to call flip flopping. It isn't.

However, I don't think he should have promised no new taxes for families earning 200K or less. Because you never know what you might need to do in a pinch.

The incumbent is normally the one on the defensive because he has a 4 year record to explain, as well as a future plan he has to communicate to the Country.

PD what you see as pandering to his "religious right base", I see as Bush talking to the vast majority of American's who beleive in God, are not ashamed of it, and understand that certain human endeavours including late term, partial birth abortion is a VERY shady thing. ( especially when it does not invovle threat to mother)

You, the wing kooks who would be happy to abort babys as they are being delivered make up a distinct minority in this country - Just because all your friend in porn, and liberal land are humanists - does not make up for the fact that the United States is a overwhelming God fearing Nation who tends to be very Conservative.

That is why Kerry ran at being labeled the L word.

No democrate could be honest and claim they were a Liberal - because they would lose in a LANDSLIDE. insteead liberals have to pretend to be moderates, and even Conservatives....

It is pretty ironic if you think about it.....

Kerry has been talking like a Conservatice - getting tough on Korea, getting tough on IRan.... Does he really think the American people beleive he is the guy to do it???

He sure is trying....

I liked how Kerry pointed out that both he and Edwards are lawyers. Indicating at the very least that they have never been C students. LOL

Chris, what? If someone is a lawyer, he couldn't have been a C Student?

Chris, what? If someone is a lawyer, he couldn't have been a C Student? [/b][/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't pass the bar with a "C".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't pass the bar with a "C". [/b][/quote]
I belive you can in GA.

IIRC, John Kennedy Jr. was not only a solid C student, but he also failed the bar at least twice before he passed it.

I belive you can in GA.

IIRC, John Kennedy Jr. was not only a solid C student, but he also failed the bar at least twice before he passed it. [/b][/quote]
Well Peaches I stand corrected if your info is right.
Remind me not to retain a lawyer in Georgia!

When have a president ever been in a situation, where the well-being of the entire nation was only a matter of his intelligence quotient?

Presidents are made to unite the people - not to solve mathematical problems (he/she got people to do that).

You could elect a person in coma, and the system would still go on... thats the beauty of it ;-)))

I'm pretty sure that you can TAKE the bar exam if you are a graduate of an acredited law school, regardless of your GPA. As far as I know, the bar exam itself is not a graded test, but just pass or fail.

a ha!! You've got a cubs fan in your family! ;)