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Winetalk.com 12-29-2003 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 29 2003, 02:00 PM

I rely on Alexa's numbers about as much as I rely on my ex-hubby's non-technical computer-challenged father to tell me what traffic trends are.

In my 7 years of being online, I've never known *anyone* who has that piece of shit toolbar installed. It's like asking Mac users to comment on anything in the computer world... their 1% opinion hardly makes a difference.

Carrie,
how do you spell naive?

when was the last time you checked your HD for spywares?
I find Al;exa spyware there 50% of the time and I NEVER downloaded it....

I love people who argue with me about trends.....some smart people here recall who posted first in 2000 that the trend of the adult industry is about to changed,
who was laughed at for the first 6 months of 2001 and quoted for the rest of the times
;-))))

Carrie 12-29-2003 06:44 PM

Between Fletch and Stocktrader, I can't decide which of these fits best... so I'll just post all three.

http://msrv.yahoo.co.kr/essengword/image/violin.gif
http://www.public.asu.edu/~atjlb/FOOT%20IN%20MOUTH.JPG
http://www.electricalsocket.com/Sock...ages/idiot.gif

Carrie 12-29-2003 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 29 2003, 06:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 29 2003, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Dec 29 2003, 02:00 PM

I rely on Alexa's numbers about as much as I rely on my ex-hubby's non-technical computer-challenged father to tell me what traffic trends are.

In my 7 years of being online, I've never known *anyone* who has that piece of shit toolbar installed. It's like asking Mac users to comment on anything in the computer world... their 1% opinion hardly makes a difference.

Carrie,
how do you spell naive?

when was the last time you checked your HD for spywares?
I find Al;exa spyware there 50% of the time and I NEVER downloaded it....

I love people who argue with me about trends.....some smart people here recall who posted first in 2000 that the trend of the adult industry is about to changed,
who was laughed at for the first 6 months of 2001 and quoted for the rest of the times
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Honestly it's been a while since I've checked it. I've never found Alexa stuff though; then again I don't download anything I'm not sure about. (Which isn't the case for the majority of net users so you've got me there.)

Let me go check now and I'll tell ya if I find it. I'm curious now. But what I'd be *really* interested in would be a ranking site like Alexa, put out by Google's toolbar results.

Carrie 12-29-2003 07:05 PM

Okay Serge, here ya go... I stand corrected!

http://www.gotkinky.com/neatpics/alexa.jpg

When I said it had been a while since I'd scanned, I didn't realize *how* long. February was the last time! *spanks self*

Brb, I've got some crow to eat and some quarantining to do... :awinky:

stocktrader23 12-29-2003 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 29 2003, 03:52 PM
Between Fletch and Stocktrader, I can't decide which of these fits best... so I'll just post all three.

Funny, I was just wondering the same about you.

http://www.texasdogsonline.com/images/am0876056036.jpg
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...Wild%20Ass.jpg
http://www.stlcriticalmass.org/Rides/200204/Mike.jpg

Carrie 12-29-2003 07:20 PM

Here's a hint... if you want to be funny, be original. Copycats are just sad.
I do like the Book of the Bitch one though... might use it for my new avatar!

stocktrader23 12-29-2003 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 29 2003, 04:28 PM
Here's a hint... if you want to be funny, be original. Copycats are just sad.
I do like the Book of the Bitch one though... might use it for my new avatar!

Sorry, I didn't know you invented inserting pictures to go with your posts. Where should I send the royalty check?

Winetalk.com 12-29-2003 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 29 2003, 07:13 PM
Okay Serge, here ya go... I stand corrected!

http://www.gotkinky.com/neatpics/alexa.jpg

When I said it had been a while since I'd scanned, I didn't realize *how* long. February was the last time! *spanks self*

Brb, I've got some crow to eat and some quarantining to do... :awinky:

..which means that you were contributing to Alexa stats since February...and in the next few days you'll do it again
;-))))

they OWN us all..either we like it or not
;-)))

Winetalk.com 12-29-2003 08:28 PM

BTW,
update to the latest version of adware and you'll find 40-50 more spywares...I did.

Candice 12-29-2003 08:30 PM

why sell your sig or buy sig from gfy? it's not very good anyway.. :(

Peaches 12-29-2003 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 29 2003, 09:36 PM
BTW,
update to the latest version of adware and you'll find 40-50 more spywares...I did.

Is there something newer than the 6.0? That's what I'm using and I run it every night but all I ever find are dataminer things. :( I've never gotten an Alexa one. I also have all my pop-ups blocked, so maybe that's where yours are coming from?

Winetalk.com 12-29-2003 08:34 PM

I think 6.0 has Update button..click on it

Peaches 12-29-2003 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 29 2003, 09:42 PM
I think 6.0 has Update button..click on it
You are correct, Sir! I now have 6.181 (or something similar :awinky: ). I ran it and instead of the normal 12-18 found daily, it found 35!

Still all dataminers - what the heck IS that? Or is it a catch all phrase for all of them?

Winetalk.com 12-29-2003 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 29 2003, 08:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 29 2003, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 29 2003, 09:42 PM
I think 6.0 has Update button..click on it
You are correct, Sir! I now have 6.181 (or something similar :awinky: ). I ran it and instead of the normal 12-18 found daily, it found 35!

Still all dataminers - what the heck IS that? Or is it a catch all phrase for all of them?[/b][/quote]
I have a pop blocker and it does reduce Alexa and few others...but 6.181 found some new animals I never seen before

Carrie 12-29-2003 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23+Dec 29 2003, 07:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stocktrader23 @ Dec 29 2003, 07:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Dec 29 2003, 04:28 PM
Here's a hint... if you want to be funny, be original. Copycats are just sad.
I do like the Book of the Bitch one though... might use it for my new avatar!

Sorry, I didn't know you invented inserting pictures to go with your posts. Where should I send the royalty check?[/b][/quote]
Now you're getting the idea. But since it's Serge's board you should send it to him.
Take a look at the Views on this thread compared to the rest on the front page and pad the zero's accordingly. :P

Carrie 12-29-2003 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Candice@Dec 29 2003, 08:38 PM
why sell your sig or buy sig from gfy? it's not very good anyway.. :(
Impressions, views, branding, being seen... even if you've got someone genuinely trying to be shitty rather than just funning around (like in this thread), you're still getting eyes on your banner. No PR is bad PR and all that.

wyldblyss 12-29-2003 09:30 PM

Gee, just when I thought i found 2 full pages of drama all I got was 3/4 of a page and the rest was a spyware help desk.

There goes the popcorn I had planned.

Winetalk.com 12-29-2003 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wyldblyss@Dec 29 2003, 09:38 PM
Gee, just when I thought i found 2 full pages of drama all I got was 3/4 of a page and the rest was a spyware help desk.

There goes the popcorn I had planned.

children,
you don't know what board drama really is,
you are late to the table.

in the good old days, popcorn wasn't needed, every drama ended with fist full of dollars to all participants,
today sig whores are bought for a $ a dozen and pop corn is all one gets...

I pity poor mothefuckers
;-)))

Winetalk.com 12-29-2003 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 29 2003, 09:02 PM

Now you're getting the idea. But since it's Serge's board you should send it to him.

yead.....we charge only 5 cents per sigwhoring post
;-))))

wyldblyss 12-29-2003 09:48 PM

Yep, late to the table for this type of drama but I have experienced plenty of other drama on the net.

The good ole days of efnet *sigh* brings me back to when each day was filled with drama and crisis and takeovers...damn....think I'm going to cry.


But...since we are on the subject...
Where can I download the adware you guys use? I use a different one and would like to compare the two of them.

Carrie 12-29-2003 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wyldblyss@Dec 29 2003, 09:56 PM
Yep, late to the table for this type of drama but I have experienced plenty of other drama on the net.

The good ole days of efnet *sigh* brings me back to when each day was filled with drama and crisis and takeovers...damn....think I'm going to cry.


But...since we are on the subject...
Where can I download the adware you guys use? I use a different one and would like to compare the two of them.

Ad-Aware 6
http://www.lavasoftusa.com
Get the free personal version and then hit the Update button after you've installed it just to check. Be sure to customize it's search too if you have your program files or temp files on different partitions like I do.

wyldblyss 12-29-2003 10:03 PM

Thanks Carrie, I appreciate it.

Hubby 12-29-2003 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 29 2003, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 29 2003, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Dec 29 2003, 07:13 PM
Okay Serge, here ya go... I stand corrected!

http://www.gotkinky.com/neatpics/alexa.jpg

When I said it had been a while since I'd scanned, I didn't realize *how* long. February was the last time! *spanks self*

Brb, I've got some crow to eat and some quarantining to do... :awinky:

..which means that you were contributing to Alexa stats since February...and in the next few days you'll do it again
;-))))

they OWN us all..either we like it or not
;-)))[/b][/quote]
The funny thing is, I didn't have Alexa in my scans anywhere. Of course, about 4 or 5 months ago I went into my registry and ripped a bunch of shit out by hand instead of using a program to do it. There are still plenty of things that the cleaning programs miss or think are a part of something else if the programmers from the spyware places have done thier job right.
I wouldn't suggest that everyone go into thier registry though, at least not if you like your comp. still running correctly or you know what you are looking at.

KRL 12-30-2003 12:18 AM

I don't see why people get so wigged out over it. Its nice easy money. You're posting anyway. So knowing the register is ringing while your on posting is a nice extra.

Hell Puppy 12-30-2003 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL@Dec 30 2003, 12:26 AM
I don't see why people get so wigged out over it. Its nice easy money. You're posting anyway. So knowing the register is ringing while your on posting is a nice extra.
The problem is it inspires people to post when they have nothing to say.

TDF 12-30-2003 02:01 AM

a lot of people in this industry make 1k a month..let alone getting paid to talk on messageboards

Winetalk.com 12-30-2003 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Dec 30 2003, 12:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Dec 30 2003, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--KRL@Dec 30 2003, 12:26 AM
I don't see why people get so wigged out over it. Its nice easy money. You're posting anyway. So knowing the register is ringing while your on posting is a nice extra.
The problem is it inspires people to post when they have nothing to say.[/b][/quote]
KRL,
I don't think you were around during YNOT days when boards really mean something
;-)))

Dianna Vesta 12-30-2003 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sarah_webinc@Dec 29 2003, 07:33 AM
does the person selling their sig have to agree to some sort of conduct guidlines? I would hate to buy something one day and find out the person I paid went on a racist (for example) posting spree the next day with my company name sponsoring each post.
Lol- no shit. That is certainly something to consider. Also making sure they mean a certain criteria.

I would sell my sig to the right company at the right price. Maybe then I’d be more of a board whore.

I love Oprano but everyone has their price.

Dianna

Dianna Vesta 12-30-2003 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI@Dec 28 2003, 03:17 PM
Buyind sig was an interesting idea that has gone terribly worng. Just like anything the horde does, it ends up going over board and being worthless.

People who buy sigs for impressions are fools.


I click more sigs then I do banners. I'm just being honest. Banners are less personal. I don’t think I’d pay for a boring poster and let’s face it, 95% of the posters on the boards bore me to tears. Still, I find myself following threads of interesting people and enjoy reading what they have to say. Speak of that, where is Colin?

I enjoy the boards, really I do. I never spent much time in the past. My sites don’t really heavily promote an affiliate program and most of my revenue comes from private clients and consulting. None of them have asked for my sig or offered to pay me to post. If they made it worth my time I’d love to spend more time on the boards shooting the shit.

I have 3 to 4 days a week, a few hours a day to post if anyone is interested. I can certainly use the money to pay for feed and vet bills. Lol- now there’s a marketing twist- All proceeds go towards the care of adopted farm animals! Actually I just applied for my 501&copy;(3) soooooo it’s tax deductible.

Email me vesta@together.net

Dianna

Carrie 12-30-2003 01:43 PM

I think the flat fee is a fair deal. You can see who you're getting and what types of posts they usually make, and judge accordingly.
The pay-per-post though just invites BS to run up a bigger check. I hate to do this to Netpond, but this is a prime example...
http://www.netpond.com/threaded/showthread...=&threadid=9321

When I looked two nights ago, the last 5 pages of posts were all made by one person. He's getting a nickel per post and at the time was averaging 100+ posts per day. Using such award-winning contributions as "your momma" jokes that he copy/pasted off the web.

The TCG ppp stuff increased this type of posting over at GFY. Rather than the normal 25 replies of :D you get 200 of them. And they're all getting paid per post.
In that situation, the advertiser is just losing money *and* causing discontempt for their company through sheer annoyance. I know that "any PR is good PR", but sometimes that just backfires on you.

Dianna Vesta 12-30-2003 02:10 PM

If paid posters had impression tracking then I think there should be a quota on how many impressions they need to get per month or week. Then a random check to see what they are posting. Not paid per impression but knowing they must meet that quota. If they post interesting threads their views will be high. If not, they won't.

How do you find companies that pay for sigs and post?

JFK 12-30-2003 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 30 2003, 10:51 AM
I think the flat fee is a fair deal. You can see who you're getting and what types of posts they usually make, and judge accordingly.
The pay-per-post though just invites BS to run up a bigger check. I hate to do this to Netpond, but this is a prime example...
http://www.netpond.com/threaded/showthread...=&threadid=9321

When I looked two nights ago, the last 5 pages of posts were all made by one person. He's getting a nickel per post and at the time was averaging 100+ posts per day. Using such award-winning contributions as "your momma" jokes that he copy/pasted off the web.

The TCG ppp stuff increased this type of posting over at GFY. Rather than the normal 25 replies of :D you get 200 of them. And they're all getting paid per post.
In that situation, the advertiser is just losing money *and* causing discontempt for their company through sheer annoyance. I know that "any PR is good PR", but sometimes that just backfires on you.

I think the biggest pay per post on GFY is going to a flat rate, or so they mentioned in one of the threads.

stocktrader23 12-30-2003 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 30 2003, 10:51 AM
I think the flat fee is a fair deal. You can see who you're getting and what types of posts they usually make, and judge accordingly.
The pay-per-post though just invites BS to run up a bigger check. I hate to do this to Netpond, but this is a prime example...
http://www.netpond.com/threaded/showthread...=&threadid=9321

When I looked two nights ago, the last 5 pages of posts were all made by one person. He's getting a nickel per post and at the time was averaging 100+ posts per day. Using such award-winning contributions as "your momma" jokes that he copy/pasted off the web.

The TCG ppp stuff increased this type of posting over at GFY. Rather than the normal 25 replies of :D you get 200 of them. And they're all getting paid per post.
In that situation, the advertiser is just losing money *and* causing discontempt for their company through sheer annoyance. I know that "any PR is good PR", but sometimes that just backfires on you.

Nobody with half a brain associates a newb with a banner as being bad for your site. How many idiots linked to them for free over the years.

Just anther thing to cry over for people with nothing better to do.

Carrie 12-30-2003 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23+Dec 30 2003, 02:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stocktrader23 @ Dec 30 2003, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Dec 30 2003, 10:51 AM
I think the flat fee is a fair deal. You can see who you're getting and what types of posts they usually make, and judge accordingly.
The pay-per-post though just invites BS to run up a bigger check. I hate to do this to Netpond, but this is a prime example...
http://www.netpond.com/threaded/showthread...=&threadid=9321

When I looked two nights ago, the last 5 pages of posts were all made by one person. He's getting a nickel per post and at the time was averaging 100+ posts per day. Using such award-winning contributions as "your momma" jokes that he copy/pasted off the web.

The TCG ppp stuff increased this type of posting over at GFY. Rather than the normal 25 replies of :D you get 200 of them. And they're all getting paid per post.
In that situation, the advertiser is just losing money *and* causing discontempt for their company through sheer annoyance. I know that "any PR is good PR", but sometimes that just backfires on you.

Nobody with half a brain associates a newb with a banner as being bad for your site. How many idiots linked to them for free over the years.

Just anther thing to cry over for people with nothing better to do.[/b][/quote]
You really should read *all* of the responses before posting.
When you don't, you end up doing something completely brainless like inferring that Billy has half a brain.

Way to go, genius. Try reading "How to win friends and influence people" before you come back for your next post. It'll probably be hard to read with your foot stuck in your mouth, though. :rolleyes:

Christ. Do you have ANY posts where you don't make a total fool of yourself? Maybe "Knowing when to give up" would be a better book choice for you.

stocktrader23 12-30-2003 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie+Dec 30 2003, 12:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Dec 30 2003, 12:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -stocktrader23@Dec 30 2003, 02:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Carrie
Quote:

@Dec 30 2003, 10:51 AM
I think the flat fee is a fair deal. You can see who you're getting and what types of posts they usually make, and judge accordingly.
The pay-per-post though just invites BS to run up a bigger check. I hate to do this to Netpond, but this is a prime example...
http://www.netpond.com/threaded/showthread...=&threadid=9321

When I looked two nights ago, the last 5 pages of posts were all made by one person. He's getting a nickel per post and at the time was averaging 100+ posts per day. Using such award-winning contributions as "your momma" jokes that he copy/pasted off the web.

The TCG ppp stuff increased this type of posting over at GFY. Rather than the normal 25 replies of :D you get 200 of them. And they're all getting paid per post.
In that situation, the advertiser is just losing money *and* causing discontempt for their company through sheer annoyance. I know that "any PR is good PR", but sometimes that just backfires on you.


Nobody with half a brain associates a newb with a banner as being bad for your site. How many idiots linked to them for free over the years.

Just anther thing to cry over for people with nothing better to do.

You really should read *all* of the responses before posting.
When you don't, you end up doing something completely brainless like inferring that Billy has half a brain.

Way to go, genius. Try reading "How to win friends and influence people" before you come back for your next post. It'll probably be hard to read with your foot stuck in your mouth, though. :rolleyes:

Christ. Do you have ANY posts where you don't make a total fool of yourself? Maybe "Knowing when to give up" would be a better book choice for you.[/b][/quote]
I love how women argue.

I quoted you, not anyone else. I argued against what YOU said, not anyone else. Keep grasping though, it's fun.

WEBAIR 12-30-2003 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 29 2003, 07:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 29 2003, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Dec 29 2003, 02:00 PM

I rely on Alexa's numbers about as much as I rely on my ex-hubby's non-technical computer-challenged father to tell me what traffic trends are.

In my 7 years of being online, I've never known *anyone* who has that piece of shit toolbar installed. It's like asking Mac users to comment on anything in the computer world... their 1% opinion hardly makes a difference.

Carrie,
how do you spell naive?

when was the last time you checked your HD for spywares?
I find Al;exa spyware there 50% of the time and I NEVER downloaded it....

I love people who argue with me about trends.....some smart people here recall who posted first in 2000 that the trend of the adult industry is about to changed,
who was laughed at for the first 6 months of 2001 and quoted for the rest of the times
;-))))[/b][/quote]
100% accurate alexa is spyware...

along with kazaa, and anything you install that takes over your browser

masterp74 01-01-2004 10:31 AM

Right now the sig thing is like the wild west. Some sig whores are getting lucky and making a killing on thier sig. In a month or two you'll see the big sponsers looking at numbers and then will weed out the bads ones. I believe one guy got $2,000 for 3 months and he had only 1,700 posts. The reason why he got a killer deal was all his posts wr're real. No spaming or whoring out at all. sig whores who couldn't sale their sig that day to anyone took note.




Listening to right now:

Iron Maiden

"The Number of the Beast"

Carrie 01-01-2004 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23@Dec 30 2003, 03:57 PM
I love how women argue.

I quoted you, not anyone else. I argued against what YOU said, not anyone else. Keep grasping though, it's fun.

Yes, and in your narrow-minded little quest to discredit me or whatever it is you're attempting to do, you insulted Billy, who had already posted in this thread saying that he associates sigs with the people who carry them.

Ooooooooopen your eyes. Pay attention. You'd be amazed what you can pick up when you stop obssessing over one thing or person.

masterp74 01-01-2004 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 29 2003, 09:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 29 2003, 09:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JFK@Dec 29 2003, 12:04 PM
Just a smart move on his part :rolleyes:
numbers do not support your supposition:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_...uckyourself.com

lower highs and lower lows...downtrend,
while some other boards show growth:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_...www.netpond.com
and

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_...enguyandjim.com

"In numbers I trust..."[/b][/quote]
http://alexabooster.com//images/alexia.gif


Wait till you see this.


http://alexabooster.com/index.shtml






Listening To:

50 Cent

"Get Rich or Die Trying"

gonzo 01-01-2004 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TDF@Dec 30 2003, 02:09 AM
a lot of people in this industry make 1k a month..let alone getting paid to talk on messageboards
People get paid to talk on boards? AMAZING!

I know this isnt the Bytebrothers Software support conference but Ill add that one spyware package doesnt get the job done.
Go get you a copy of Search and Destroy to go with it.

Whichever one of you was saying spyware is no big deal. Report back when your boxed is trojaned and owned.

Signatures used to be called taglines. When networking message bases each user had a tagline which he could select from a library of them in SLMR and each BBS appended its tagline to the post if exported out to identify the point of origin.

Not only was it branding for the sysop it was personalization for the poster.

Hellpuppy...whats Vostreys doing these days?
I think we need a copy of Onet to network all the resources together.


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