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confucy 10-12-2003 01:06 PM

Okay, Kevin, I'm sure Serge will help us set up a radio debate. I've been waiting a very long time to expose you.

Just tell me one thing....if I were such a bad person, why did you call me...why did you put me in charge of all your PR crap, why did you relay information back and forth between you and your co-defendant with me as the messenger?????????????

Why did you call me the night before you left prison? Because your friends and family were fed up with your bullshit. Alex, your present partner, refused to take your calls. Donald Randolph, your attorney, and his office cringed every time they heard your voice because you bothered them several times a day. 2600 Emmanuel didn't want anything to do with you until your "Takedown" movie was announced. He did a documentary, not because he cared about you, but because he wanted publicity. You and Emmanuel are two of a kind.

Welcome to the boards, Kevin babe. Did Darci write your little board speech for you? How much did you pay her?

sarettah 10-12-2003 01:09 PM

http://www.bitsntits.com

This is now on the entrance page.......


As serge said.....

Eat your heart out DUCK :yowsa: :yowsa:

Peaches 10-12-2003 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Oct 12 2003, 01:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Oct 12 2003, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Oct 12 2003, 12:07 PM
Holy shit !!!

Don't know what/who/where to believe anymore....

But the voice on the interview with Lee and Confucy did not sound like the voice of a 60+ woman....

:blink: :unsure: :unsure: :blink:

S, it all depends on smoking habits...
women retain young voices as long as they don't smoke and drink[/b][/quote]
Agreed - some of our best phone sex operators in the 900 biz were 50-70 year old grandmothers. :)

Peaches 10-12-2003 01:15 PM

Oh, and Welcome, Kevin! It's good to hear "the rest of the story". :)

sarettah 10-12-2003 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KevinMitnick@Oct 12 2003, 12:01 PM
People everywhere hate you and each has compiled their own little information, and now we are all coming together, so that we may sue you for liable, slander, harassment and other damages you have caused us all, and force you to appear in court.
Um..er... Mitnick dude.....

You probably won't find any takers around here.....

Confucy may have a reputation as a lying, whining bitch.....

But she is OUR lying, whining, bitch... whom we love to hate.....

This is OPRANO..... the FAMILY that does business....



:yowsa:

Winetalk.com 10-12-2003 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by confucy@Oct 12 2003, 12:14 PM
Okay, Kevin, I'm sure Serge will help us set up a radio debate.
I won't...Do I look like someone who would throw the fuel into a fire???????


You wanna dish it out on the internet radio???

PAY ME $5000 each,
I am not an amateur, I am professional and don't work for free!

(sponsors, hello, that was a hint for you,
YOU can sponsor the event, assuming Oprano gets' it's usual cut and we are not Mormons, 10% WON'T DO!)

Carrie 10-12-2003 01:17 PM

Welcome, Kevin!! I've been looking forward to reading your response to everything Confucy's been saying about you for so long. I told Serge that you might be convinced to come here simply to clear your and your company's name, and I am certainly happy that you have.

Sare the voice *does* sound that old, I disagree with ya. It sounds at least like it's in its mid-50's.

Note again how Confucy sidesteps Kevin's accusations and throws up more bullshit, just like she does with everything else.

*KK* 10-12-2003 01:18 PM

Wow, and I thought being at home finally on a Sunday where I get EVERY NFL game on tv was the excitement for today.

Carrie 10-12-2003 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by *KK*@Oct 12 2003, 12:26 PM
Wow, and I thought being at home finally on a Sunday where I get EVERY NFL game on tv was the excitement for today.
Quick, someone distract Kimmy so I can grab her Season Pass while she's not looking.

Winetalk.com 10-12-2003 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sarettah+Oct 12 2003, 12:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Oct 12 2003, 12:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--KevinMitnick@Oct 12 2003, 12:01 PM
People everywhere hate you and each has compiled their own little information, and now we are all coming together, so that we may sue you for liable, slander, harassment and other damages you have caused us all, and force you to appear in court.
Um..er... Mitnick dude.....

You probably won't find any takers around here.....

Confucy may have a reputation as a lying, whining bitch.....

But she is OUR lying, whining, bitch... whom we love to hate.....

This is OPRANO..... the FAMILY that does business....



:yowsa:[/b][/quote]
Sarretah, talk for yourself, this si 99% chance REAL Kevin Mitnik and he won't get disrespect from Oprano.

(last time Opranoids disrespect was...France, and they paid back by putting the whole Italy in the dark while I was there),

I learned my manners lesson, you should learn yours!
;-))))

Peaches 10-12-2003 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sarettah+Oct 12 2003, 01:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Oct 12 2003, 01:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--KevinMitnick@Oct 12 2003, 12:01 PM
People everywhere hate you and each has compiled their own little information, and now we are all coming together, so that we may sue you for liable, slander, harassment and other damages you have caused us all, and force you to appear in court.
Um..er... Mitnick dude.....

You probably won't find any takers around here.....[/b][/quote]
I dunno - I think there are couple here who would love to sue her. B)

Though to be honest, I doubt Kevin was talking about anyone here. He and C go back so many years and based on her abrasive behavior on all the boards, I'm willing to bet she's pulled the same libelous and slanderous stunts to many outside the porn world. :unsure:

*KK* 10-12-2003 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie+Oct 12 2003, 09:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Oct 12 2003, 09:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Oct 12 2003, 12:26 PM
Wow, and I thought being at home finally on a Sunday where I get EVERY NFL game on tv was the excitement for today.
Quick, someone distract Kimmy so I can grab her Season Pass while she's not looking.[/b][/quote]
Well seeing as your such a bitch and you cannot be trusted and all, you should just stop by and watch the late games, we'll grill out, talk about the business, all that good stuff ;)

No confucy talk allowed though lol

Nickatilynx 10-12-2003 01:32 PM

"""Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."""

It is time to put away childish things ;-)))



Btw it is Thanksgiving up here in the great White North...so happy thanksgiving to all :-)

turkey and piss! PERFECT!!!!


.

Nickatilynx 10-12-2003 01:35 PM

Quote:

you should just stop by and watch the late games, we'll grill out, talk about the business, all that good stuff
Would the "good stuff" involve nudity , baby oil , a power drill ,8 sticks of celery and a brown and tan cocker spaniel called "Fred"?

If so , I'm on my way :-))))

*KK* 10-12-2003 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sarettah@Oct 12 2003, 09:23 AM
Um..er... Mitnick dude.....

You probably won't find any takers around here.....

Confucy may have a reputation as a lying, whining bitch.....

But she is OUR lying, whining, bitch... whom we love to hate.....

This is OPRANO..... the FAMILY that does business....



:yowsa:

I'm quite amazed that anyone would hate her. That's honestly too big an expenditure of energy for no return on investment.

I'm quite interested in hearing what's out there.

KevinMitnick 10-12-2003 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sarettah@Oct 12 2003, 09:23 AM
Quote:


Um..er... Mitnick dude.....

You probably won't find any takers around here.....

Confucy may have a reputation as a lying, whining bitch.....

But she is OUR lying, whining, bitch... whom we love to hate.....

This is OPRANO..... the FAMILY that does business....



:yowsa:


That's fine, I understand that some you might take pity on her, but I do have a right to defend myself, and since she chose this venue, I have no problems with doing it here. Besides, many people wrote me, so obviously they wanted to see an appearance.

First off, her reply is nothing more than deflection. Why don't you answer to some of the things I posted? To show that I don't engage in the same practice, here is my rebuttal. You were not head of my PR crap, Jack Biello was. Thank to nice, honest Mormons and curiosity seekers, I now know the truth about you. There is no way I would have spoken to you if I knew you were stabbing me in the back the entire by disclosing our communications to Lewis and his lawyer.

My lawyer was tired of being bugged by me everyday? Let's see, I rode his ass because I was being held without a bail hearing for four and a half years in prison. Is there anyone else who wouldn't have done the same thing in my situation? Today, Alex and Don Randolph are still very close friends of mine, and we converse frequently. You had better watch the accusations you make about Emmanuel, before he brings a libel suit against you, too. He has always been and is still one of the best friends I ever had. He was there on my release date, or did you miss that on CNN?

As for Darci, she didn't write it. Even though she should for the nasty way you attacked her and her child (even though you have never met her and she has never done anything to you) like you have the other women here on Oprano (so much for family). Just because you were too selfish to ever give of yourself and have children, what gives you the right to attack those that do? Being home to be with your kids is the best thing you can do, and if you can figure out a way to do that by being a webmaster, more power to you. Anyway, Darci is too busy rearranging her site hiding access to her writing from your cut-and-paste copyright violating ass (posted here on Oprano in another thread). Maybe she will sue you, too.

I wouldn't waste my time debating with you on the radio, I have much more important things to do. I would just rather see you in jail, which I will start with on Monday morning when I tip off the IRS into your large-scale identity theft.

Now, why don't you answer to some of things brought out in the original post?

Winetalk.com 10-12-2003 01:42 PM

I just got my confirmation:
this is 100% bonafided Kevin Mitnik,
I asked him the question only HE would know the answer.

Leave your doubts behind, this IS real Kevin Mitnik.

*KK* 10-12-2003 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 12 2003, 09:43 AM
Would the "good stuff" involve nudity , baby oil , a power drill ,8 sticks of celery and a brown and tan cocker spaniel called "Fred"?

If so , I'm on my way :-))))

No. The cocker spaniels name is Precious. Fred is the bantam rooster.

Nickatilynx 10-12-2003 01:43 PM

Quote:

I understand that some you might take pity on her,
No! Sarettah lost his mind for a moment!

We want to read it all.

Quote:

her reply is nothing more than deflection.
We know , she does it all the time.

Peaches 10-12-2003 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 12 2003, 01:50 PM
I just got my confirmation:
this is 100% bonafided Kevin Mitnik,
I asked him the question only HE would know the answer.

Leave your doubts behind, this IS real Kevin Mitnik.

And judging by C's response, she knows it's really him also. :)

She proabably should have paid attention to the saying "Don't stick a sleeping bear with a sharp stick". :P

Winetalk.com 10-12-2003 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches+Oct 12 2003, 12:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Oct 12 2003, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Oct 12 2003, 01:50 PM
I just got my confirmation:
this is 100% bonafided Kevin Mitnik,
I asked him the question only HE would know the answer.

Leave your doubts behind, this IS real Kevin Mitnik.

And judging by C's response, she knows it's really him also. :)

She proabably should have paid attention to the saying "Don't stick a sleeping bear with a sharp stick". :P[/b][/quote]
Peaches, the original quote is:
"Don't kick the sleeping tigers in the nuts"
;-)))

Peaches 10-12-2003 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 12 2003, 01:56 PM
Peaches, the original quote is:
"Don't kick the sleeping tigers in the nuts"
;-)))

I think Roy did that. :rolleyes:

Winetalk.com 10-12-2003 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches+Oct 12 2003, 12:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Oct 12 2003, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Oct 12 2003, 01:56 PM
Peaches, the original quote is:
"Don't kick the sleeping tigers in the nuts"
;-)))

I think Roy did that. :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
...and ended badly!
;-)))

Winetalk.com 10-12-2003 01:51 PM

I'm calling Lew Payne tomorrow morning and ask him to comment....he's been out of the public eyes since General and Richard stopped hosting on his network,
time to bring him back.

Carrie 10-12-2003 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KevinMitnick@Oct 12 2003, 12:44 PM
That's fine, I understand that some you might take pity on her
Pity isn't the word. I'd take a straight jacket to her if I were able, as I'm convinced the woman is at the least a schizophrenic.
Having been the target of her lies and character assasinations since about Feb. or March of '02, I'm quite happy to see you here and her finally getting her come-uppance.

There was a short time when I actually thought Confucy *was* you, because she knew so much about you and used many of the same words and phrasings that you did when you were a guest on the Coast to Coast radio show. Great interview there, by the way.

Thanks for coming here, and hopefully you'll stay for a while! :okthumb:



Last edited by Carrie at Oct 12 2003, 01:05 PM

Carrie 10-12-2003 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by *KK*+Oct 12 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Oct 12 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Oct 12 2003, 09:43 AM
Would the "good stuff" involve nudity , baby oil , a power drill ,8 sticks of celery and a brown and tan cocker spaniel called "Fred"?

If so , I'm on my way :-))))

No. The cocker spaniels name is Precious. Fred is the bantam rooster.[/b][/quote]
KK that gives a very strange new slant to Gonzo's teasings about "Precious"...

sarettah 10-12-2003 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 12 2003, 12:51 PM
Quote:

I understand that some you might take pity on her,
No! Sarettah lost his mind for a moment!


No I didn't....

I got exactly what I wanted from that comment :yowsa:

And I thought the expression was "don't poke a sleeping Oparnaut with a broomstick"


:yowsa:

Soul_Rebel 10-12-2003 02:32 PM

i won't hide im impressed and excited to see Kevin posting here :)

confucy 10-12-2003 02:40 PM

Kevin, I introduced you to Jack Biello. He was a fraud, and even your attorney, Donald Randolph, would not allow Biello to visit you in prison. He wanted you to sign an agreement so that he would receive a percentage of the profits from your future interviews. Jack also threatened to sue me. Why? Because he was a cheap prick, just like you. He owed me money for all the telephone bills he piled while in California. Don't forget, FAT FELON FUCK, I was on the phone during the majority of your phone conversations with Jack. Jack was a taker. I saw through him. So did many, like your co-defendant, who said on your mailing list that Jack was trying to rip off money from the defense fund to pay himself for the collect calls he had accepted from you.

Think carefully about what you write, Kevin, because copies are being sent to the FBI and Christopher Painter, just in case something happens to me.

Your statements are so full of shit. If you really cared about *family*, you wouldn't have banned your father from seeing you while you were in prison. Yes, daddy backed down on the $5,000 he promised to place in your defense fund, and you refused to have anything to do with him....that is, until you needed his help. You turned to Uncle Mitchell and bled him dry. When Uncle Mitnick was found guilty and sent to prison, you ignored him. You ignored anyone unless you could use them.

As far as Emmanuel goes, you did not want him and 2600 to take over the management of your website. You were always bitching that he wouldn't accept your collect calls. Do you want me to furnish a list of all those people who stopped supporting you because your collect calls were the reason they lost their phones?

Why not tell the group about the call you made to the Judge's attorney husband without telling me the name of the person we were calling. When you heard the Judge's husband answer the call, you hung up and left me holding the phone. You are damn lucky I didn't give your name to the operator. You would still be in prison for harassment.

Yes, Kevin, I was your messenger...an unpaid messenger. You turned on me because I knew too much and you were covering your ass by trying to make anyone who would listen believe that I wasn't the person you had spoken to all those years, and it was 4 1/2 years, Kev. I have the phone bills to back up my claims. Since you are paying everyone back who gave you money, how about throwing some bucks my way. I know that your co-defendant spent thousands and thousands of dollars on you, and he could always give the money to a charity.

Regarding the kevinmitnick.com name, I put up the money so it could be registered. Your friend was broke and needed money. Lew registered the mitnick.com name for you, and you turned up your nose. He also paid for another Mitnick website, giveup.com. He broke his ass to help you. He never settled with the government, but you did. I know about those backroom antics that took place between you and the government.

If you weren't complaining about a fungus on your toes, you were calling me at midnight (without the knowledge of the prison) and you complained non-stop about your teeth, your hiatal hernia, your heart palpitations, your non-Kosher meals, and the big black guys who monopolized the two TV's at MDC.

You are a loser, Kevin. A loser and a whinner. You have social engineered your way through life, and you are still doing it.

Good luck, you scumbag. Darci only knows what you tell her. She has no job, no money, and no self-esteem. She has become your little gofer. Regarding my comments about her and her child....you were in the car with darci and her daughter, and you were calling me names and using four-letter words on ham radio. (I have the tapes.) Darci's daughter was sitting there, listening to you act like an asshole. If you cared so much about darci and her daughter, you would never turn on an x-rated repeater where everyone is saying fuck you, blow me cunt, etc. This is not a proper environment for a child. You don't care about anyone except yourself.

Want me to play some tapes for Oprano? Want to hear the real Kevin Mitnick?

gonzo 10-12-2003 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KevinMitnick@Oct 12 2003, 12:01 PM

You should never wrestle with a pig, you'll just get dirty and the pig will like it.


Whoever wrote this...I take back everything bad I ever said about Kev from this quote alone!


My brother!

confucy 10-12-2003 02:49 PM

Carrie, eat shit! You are such an instigating no good bitch. You call me all these names! You call Mitnick and ask him to come to Oprano. You have been dying to meet Mitnick for years. Should I reveal my email from you like you revealed my private email to Oprano where you were getting hot and bothered about the hackers I know? Fucking porn groupie...that is all you are.

If people can't see through your bullshit, then I have greatly over-estimated their ability to smell MENDACITY! You are the most pathetic example of a webmaster and a mother I have ever had the misfortune of meeting...thank God, only on the boards. Now, move your boney ass out of my thread while Mitnick and I discuss our future radio show.

Serge, if Carrie doesn't leave................THEN I'M LEAVING! She doesn't belong in this thread!

Nickatilynx 10-12-2003 02:52 PM

Quote:

Want me to play some tapes for Oprano? Want to hear the real Kevin Mitnick?
Fuck yes!

gonzo 10-12-2003 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by confucy@Oct 12 2003, 01:57 PM
Carrie, eat shit! You are such an instigating no good bitch. You call me all these names! You call Mitnick and ask him to come to Oprano. You have been dying to meet Mitnick for years. Should I reveal my email from you like you revealed my private email to Oprano where you were getting hot and bothered about the hackers I know? Fucking porn groupie...that is all you are.

If people can't see through your bullshit, then I have greatly over-estimated their ability to smell MENDACITY! You are the most pathetic example of a webmaster and a mother I have ever had the misfortune of meeting...thank God, only on the boards. Now, move your boney ass out of my thread while Mitnick and I discuss our future radio show.

Serge, if Carrie doesn't leave................THEN I'M LEAVING! She doesn't belong in this thread!

Lying fat bitch...she didnt call him. Neither did I!
You dont get it do you? There are a lot of people that quietly read this board and simply got tired of your crap.

I can tell you this..I hope it is him and I hope he takes your lying ass to court.

Oh Confucy can you play a tape of all these ham radio X rated conversations?

Uh....no the uh uh uh the FCC and FBI have those. But if you think Im not telling the truth I can give you an address where you can hear an mp3 of them.

Ok whats that address...since Kevin isnt here to defend himself.

Uh uh....Id rather not give it out you might bombard my lawyers web site. But Ive given it out to 2 people.

Peaches 10-12-2003 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by confucy@Oct 12 2003, 02:48 PM
You have social engineered your way through life, and you are still doing it.
Yep - and you're 100% proof of that! :P

Quote:

Think carefully about what you write, Kevin, because copies are being sent to the FBI and Christopher Painter, just in case something happens to me.
The FBI could just go through all the message boards and ham radio channels and find a multitude of people who could be suspect if "something happened to [you]". :rolleyes:

Nickatilynx 10-12-2003 03:00 PM

confucy,

Once again some facts.....

"""Lewis De Payne, 39, who was charged along with Mitnick in the scheme to obtain proprietary software, pleaded guilty earlier this year to a federal wire fraud count for attempting to obtain software from a cellular phone company. By pleading guilty, DePayne acknowledged that he and Mitnick participated in a scheme to defraud Nokia Mobile Phones, Ltd. De Payne specifically admitted that he posed as a Nokia employee and attempted to convince Nokia personnel in Florida to ship a computer program worth approximately $240,000 to Southern California.

De Payne is currently scheduled to be sentenced by Judge Pfaelzer on September 13. The government has agreed to recommend a sentence of five years of probation, which will include a six-month period of confinement in either a community corrections center or home detention and 225 hours of community service. The agreement to recommend probation is contingent upon De Payne’s promise to cooperate with investigators and by any company victimized by him or Mitnick. """"

http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/mitnick.htm



Last edited by Nickatilynx at Oct 12 2003, 11:14 AM

Winetalk.com 10-12-2003 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by confucy@Oct 12 2003, 01:57 PM

Serge, if Carrie doesn't leave................THEN I'M LEAVING! She doesn't belong in this thread!

confucy, from what I hear, you might leave us...for a few years,
but...you'll be back and you can call me collect.

Winetalk.com 10-12-2003 03:03 PM

ok, the company arrives in 15 mins,
ciao,
we cooked Italian dinner al day, time to open the wine!
;-)))

confucy 10-12-2003 03:16 PM

Serge, not to worry. If I call you collect, you will be able to withdraw the funds from my account. You will never be stuck with thousands of unpaid collect calls. That was Mitnick's style - take, take, and take some more!

Remember, poor little Kevin had an unhappy childhood with a waitress mother and a run-a-way father. Poor little Kevin was forced to use Radio Shack computers and ham radios because he couildn't afford to buy his own.

I don't have that problem. I don't have to use a public appointed attorney like Kevin. I can afford the best.

Nick, what's the point you are trying to make? Kevin dragged his best friend into a hornet's nest. His friend LDP was trying to help Kevin who was running all over the country using different names, SS#'s, and stolen CC's. What do you do when a fugitive friend is calling you every day asking for help? Do you turn the bastard into the FBI like Kevin has done so many times when he was in custody, or do you send money to your buddy and wish him well? Kevin has shit on every friend he has ever had. You may be able to get away with that kind of betrayal for a while...even for a long while, but eventually KARMA sets in and you have to face your maker.

gonzo 10-12-2003 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 12 2003, 12:59 PM
I'm calling Lew Payne tomorrow morning and ask him to comment....he's been out of the public eyes since General and Richard stopped hosting on his network,
time to bring him back.

Serge...

After hearing that radio show and reading between all the legal lines. My guess is that Lew there already knows whats going on over here.
I think Confucy works for him....and I think all this Mitnick crap is a direct result of a problem between him and Kevin.

Kevin.. probably could clear that last bit of mystery up.

Or someone could give me a call...

Nickatilynx 10-12-2003 03:18 PM

So Lew DePayne did a deal.

Did you betray Kevin , confucy ? You did. Didn't you?

Do you find your betrayal so hard to live with ,that you have fabricated this entire scenario.

Do you feel guilty ,confucy?


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