Timon,

I'm just a guy that's in "touch with my feelings".
Colin Cowboy Webmastering

"Something deep down inside of me, something with primal dark evil roots lurks inside of me and is screaming to get out. It wants to be unleashed. It wants to hunger. It wants to taste. It wants freedom. It wants to stalk."

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Right there's nothing sinister about that at all!!

What was I thinking? ;-)

Timon (Are you a player?)

My streets feel fine to me too in the sense that I have never witnessed a murder. I am sure it's my neighborhood.

If I ever have move to the "hood", I am taking weapons.


Colin Cowboy Webmastering

colin, you are talking on scale of war, where the bosses of the countries decide whose allowed to go out and be a murderer for the greater good of the nation.

this gun debate is on a society level, where our day to day lives are effected by a person's ability to carry a gun.

although i feel i live in a violent *world*, my street feels pretty fine to me ... i am glad to not have the right to carry a gun.


cj (vaginator) 5 more days to go for YOUR SHARE of $2 million

http://www.zooted.com/
Colin Cowboy Webmastering

what's jonas's gay sites program?
cj (vaginator) 5 more days to go for YOUR SHARE of $2 million

Sinister? Nope. I'm a realistic.

I was born into a violent world and I shall perish in one. I think we humans try to dress up our naked-ape-ishness.

The evolutionary arms race choses the non complacent violent killers. The conquerors. Great civilizations have great armies. Bloodsports.
Colin Cowboy Webmastering

Don't you feel the violent tendencies inside you?
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nope.....I haven't met a person on and off the net whom I would be glad to see in coffin.
Serge

this is what many of us are thinking and haven't said yet.
----

errr... colin, have you taken your valium today?!?!?! LMAO
i was definately not thinking that!!!! you're scaring me... :-))
cj (vaginator) 5 more days to go for YOUR SHARE of $2 million

I don't want to watch ANY of my friends getting it on! :))


Lisa
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hmmm...that's strange...I'd rather watch my friends at it than my enemies
;-)))
Serge

Colin, you're quite a sinister little fellow aren't you? ;-)

Timon (Are you a player?)

Colin, here is my truth:

I want to be able to carry MY gun but I don't want anyone
else to be able to carry one ;-)

If I have to choose between everybody and nobody I choose nobody.

Timon (Are you a player?)

Let's try the Truth ...

I can HANDLE THE TRUTH...
Serge

Re: "homo sapiens DO use control and self restrain more than we are given credit for."

Yup. All day long. The apparatus known as society really keeps us from being our base selves. We're always only one small step away from hacking the guy in the grocery store that pissed us off to bits.
He's a lucky ass bastard today.

Don't you feel the violent tendencies inside you?

I'm supposed to be a Hunter. Something deep down inside of me, something with primal dark evil roots lurks inside of me and is screaming to get out. It wants to be unleashed. It wants to hunger. It wants to taste. It wants freedom. It wants to stalk.
Colin Cowboy Surfing

Serge true, but less impulsive than a loaded gun ;-)

Timon (Are you a player?)

Not homophobic Serge...I don't want to watch ANY of my friends getting it on! :))


Lisa

Let's try the Truth ... this is what many of us are thinking and haven't said yet.

I like guns. I live violence. If you fuck with me, the first thing I would like to do is kick your ass. If you break into my house, I would like to kill you. Old Testament vigilante eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. If you have a problem with this, fuck you!
Colin I wanna be a Cowboy, baby!

because it makes it too easy to
do things in the heat of the moment
************************************

Timon, now a days with AIDS around, one's cock is much deadlier weapon than a gun!
Serge

That may be so Serge...but surely we should be spared the visual? :))


Lisa
***********************

why???? are you more homophobic than Voodoo?
Serge

Personally I think everyone should have a gun in the house,
makes burglars think twice if they know they might get shot...

But I wouldn't be pleased if my government would allow all
citizens to carry one in the street, even though I'd like to be
able to carry my gun myself, because it makes it too easy to
do things in the heat of the moment that will result in a life of regret.

Timon (Are you a player?)

serge, its simply that a firearm makes the 'quirk of human nature' that much easier to do.
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sure, but....
homo sapiens DO use control and self restrain more than we are given credit for.
Serge

"Lisa, don't be judgemental...they are both consenting adults"

That may be so Serge...but surely we should be spared the visual? :))


Lisa

serge, its simply that a firearm makes the 'quirk of human nature' that much easier to do.

running a sword across someone's throat takes a different kind of quality than pulling a trigger on a cool lookin metal thing and pointing it at someone 10 yards away.

don't know if i'd ever pull a trigger on a gun, although i can see myself wacking someone with a frying pan ...

cj (vaginator) 5 more days to go for YOUR SHARE of $2 million

But not if Mike is in there with you...that would be just...wrong... :)


Lisa
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Lisa, don't be judgemental...they are both consenting adults
;-)
Serge

I believe that murders existed long before the first firearms were invented.

the root of the problem is NOT firearms-
quirks of human nature is...


Serge

But not if Mike is in there with you...that would be just...wrong... :)


Lisa

/tucks Grimm into bed :))


Lisa

LOL
yes, now murders in australia are carried out with smashed beer bottles or cast iron frying pans :-)))


cj (vaginator) 5 more days to go for YOUR SHARE of $2 million

I've heard that Serge...even police officers from out of state who are in NY on police business can't carry their weapon without permission from the NY authorities...or so I believe.


Lisa

serge..mike kept me out past my bedtime:)
grimm (Blow Me)

Yup, I remember. And as Opti pointed out, murders with firearms as the weapon have decreased...homicide in general has increased. But no one ever said the Aust govt had a clue...and meant it. :)


Lisa

Lisa,
I came to NYC where NOBODY cares them (very tough laws in New York)
but I wanted it anyway...couldn't get it, to much hassles and hoops to jump thru
;-(((
Serge

lisa, remember that big 'rifle buyback' the govt did?! our country is freaked about guns ... too much nypd blue on tv :-)))
cj (vaginator) 5 more days to go for YOUR SHARE of $2 million

Serge, me either...and if I went to live in the States, and everyone else was carrying...I'd bloody well want to be too! :)
But I'm not so sure I'd like the Australian govt to introduce the same law here...


Lisa

I wasn't born with the right to bear arms.
but I like it
;-)
Serge

Speaking of .45's, I like this one!

http://www.kimberamerica.com/CDP_Series.htm

Timon (Are you a player?)

Colin, I was wondering that myself earlier today. If you (that's a collective you) hadn't grown up with the right to bear arms, if gun ownership hadn't been a given all your lives, in light of the way society is now...if the govt NOW tried to introduce the right to bear arms into your constitution, would you want it or no?


Lisa PMB

Alex,

Wrong! We carry guns in case you Canadians ever get any funny ideas and try and a sneak attack.


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Guns in the US are not common sense. They are the result of 200+ years of pretty much letting anyone who wants carry an instrument who's sole purpose is to kill, to injure, or to force... you people need guns BECAUSE everyone else has them.
Colin We love weaponry, we're a violent people!

Grimm,
go to bed!
;-))
Serge

guns are cool. but fuck this fancy weaponry. Give me an army issue Colt .45 and it does the job.
grimm (Blow Me)

go to bed mike:)
grimm (Blow Me)

Mike,

what are you doing up so late?? I'm just watching foxnews / cspan as usual:)
sextoyking Flash Design coming soon...

Rob Mac you still alive?


Mike AI

Thanks PPete,

It's going pretty well, by the looks of it the early
birds who are first to put the SplashConsoles up are
going to make at least as much money, if not more,
from the webmaster referrals it
generates than the
sites advertised themselves ;-)

Timon (Are you a player?) BIGPLAYERS.COM

Rob Mac, to answer your question: more money makes
any webmaster happy ;-)

Timon (Are you a player?) BIGPLAYERS.COM

Timon,

Program looks great.
Very creative perks.

Look forward to doing some bizz.

Cheers!
PayrollPete

hello Everyone, MikeAI + Serge ..
long time no piss :-)


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Actually a DE aint that bad, this is what's under my bed
but I don't think they'll let me bring it to the States
because you guys banned it ;-))

http://spas12.com/spas/map1-15.jpg

Semi auto box mag shotgun that holds 7 sluggs and can be
reloaded in 2 seconds ;-)

Timon (Are you a player?)

You keep a .50 DE in the car? I'll be sure to skip your car
if I ever go gay bashing in NYC!

Timon (Are you a player?)

Enforcer and Dravyk, had a rational Trekker made the decision, it would surely have been to divide Tuvix because anything half-Neelix has to be destroyed, for the good of the species. They could then have tossed Neelix in an airlock (along with 6 of 1, while they were at it) and then brought back what was once a pretty good Trek show.

But it's dead, Jim. And so is Tuvix.

;-)

Melody This time, it's for real

"there are criminals here with firearms but I'm fairly confident they are not wanting to shoot me

spanno"

Why is there no more British Empire ??

Duh, I am fairly confident there should still be one.

Hank D

Cyberglide, I dont want
you to think to poorly of
me, so I wont tell you
what I would change if
I had to do it over again.
:-))
voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?) Hows the View from the Cheap Seats?

firing AT someone is not warning shots

thats called intent ... hahahahahaha


Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

Cyberglide,

I fired 3 times and I
consider them warning
shots.
The detective that took
my statment said, had
I hit one, I would have
been in trouble, but
it was purely self defense
and any good attorney
could have got me off.
This was in Kansas
btw.
voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?) Hows the View from the Cheap Seats?

Dude, you dont really get
mouthy when your outnumbered.
voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?) Hows the View from the Cheap Seats?

I was quite sure they
were not going to have a nice
chat with me so I grabbed my
.50 Desert Eagle, and opend the
door and starting firing at them.
--------------------------------------

up to this point I was with ya brutha, but I gotta say
that was irresponsible. You should have just fired off a warning shot.

good thing you didn't hit or kill one, you'd be in jail right now.

CWP guidelines are very specific about the use of a weapon
in a defensive situation.

Even with a CWP if you fuck up your going to jail.

sorry man, gotta be honest ;-)

Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

>> I said watch where your goin.

what did you really say though :o) ?

spanno

One night, I was leaving the
bar (wasnt drinking, my girl
friend at the time worked there).
A pickup about backed into me.
I said watch where your goin.
4 guys get out, I call no joy,
take off. At the end of the
block I was at a stop sign,
looked in the mirror, and
seen lights approaching quickly.
All the sudden the truck hit me,
knocked me through the
intersection. After seeing the
truck, and the 4 guys getting
out, I was quite sure they
were not going to have a nice
chat with me so I grabbed my
.50 Desert Eagle, and opend the
door and starting firing at them.
They ran. Cops came, took my
weapon, finally found the guys,
arrested them. 2 days later I got
my gun back, found out that
2 of the 4 guys had just been
released from prison 2 days prior.
Well, Im conviced that the only
thing that saved me was my gun.
Im sure glad I had it cause who
knows what they had planned for
me.
voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?) Hows the View from the Cheap Seats?

point taken and I have no statistics to know what that percentage is.

if you take all the legal and illegal weapons and distroy them
(gone)

now i'm a criminal and I want a gun, how hard would it really be
to get a guns from another source
IE: Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean Islands, ... wherever

I could get them AND be one rich fucker too ;-))

taking guns away won't stop criminals who want them ;-)

until they can, i'm carrying my 38
;-))

Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

I thought most illegal firearms came from legal sources I don't know how things work in USA.. in uk a lot do apparently come from previouslly legal source IE where gun has been reported destroyed or de-activated or had numbers etc removed

I thought most illegal us automatic weapons where modified semi-auto's that came through from some legal channel?

spanno

I don't agree to everybody should have a gun, but if I am inside my house later night special with kids and is not supose somebody try get in your house, if I have a gun will not think twice to shoot to defense my self, in my country if you shoot somebody trying get inside your house or commercial place, if you shoot inside the house or even maybe out side trying get in, you don't go to the jail as a criminal, will be consider you was in your defense. If I am in England and happen the samething...I don't know, guess I'll running to the kitchen and get the better knife in there or a good strong peace of wood what is more difficult, but for sure I think will be natural reaction try defense your self and yours in a way or other, of course any these things can not work, but if the situation come true in this case, I guess you have to do something...you know what, good time to start a karate class...lol

People think different, I guess culture and the History of the country you live too, plus other aspects make effect in each one opinion. But anyway I wish a great night for everybody with good dreams and no guns;o) So sleep...I am by my self here, good to know we have 911 and it work, by the way I don't own a gun anymore. The violence in Brazil is so sad, I never think in go back to live in there again.
Luna (ass & grass)

illegal guns can come from many places.

china illegally ships in shit loads of knock off AK47's

yes some are stolen from legal owners if thats your point.

but it's far from the only source

Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

it's an argument that you cannot win with an American, guns i mean. It's a part of their heritage, even right there in their Constitution. Most non-Americans simply can't understand it. I do.

I just don't like the yahoo's who fight tooth and nail every little thing anybody proposes to make gun ownership safer for everybody. I dislike extremists of any stripe.




mutt

there are criminals here with firearms but I'm fairly confident they are not wanting to shoot me

spanno

where do illegal guns come from ?
spanno

You are delusional if you
think that there arent
criminals where you live
that have firearms.
voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?) Hows the View from the Cheap Seats?

well I think its fair enough since we don't have guns the police shouldn't have them
spanno

spanno you just confused the shit outta me ;-))

please explain a bit more
Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

As for cops in other countries
that dont carry guns,,,crazy.
Here in america, cops do.
My landlord is a cop in NYC,
has been for 10 years, I asked
her the other night if she has
ever fired her weapon at a human,
she said no, and only a very few
ever have. They carry them
'just in case'.
voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?) Hows the View from the Cheap Seats?

I thought thats where illegal guns came from when legal firearms through whatever means get onto the black market ?

spanno

yep, we are the offspring of our social structure,

can't move backwards ;-))

"most" criminals will always have or get access to guns
the average Joe (usually) has no clue how to get one illegally


Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

Hahaha.. man... I don't know. There are strong cases to be made for both sides. No matter what you do the decision still sucks ass cause either way you are effectively killing somebody.


TheEnforcer

Your logic is getting fuzzier.

Why does it have to be, by law
abiding citizens having guns,
we are helping criminals?
The way I see it, criminals
are forcing law abiding citizens
to have guns. Why? Because as
mentioned before, you can take
the guns out of the citizens
hands, but the criminals will
still have them.
voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?) Hows the View from the Cheap Seats?

well I know now you have guns I don't think you can go back really thats why its not worked in australia

spanno

spanno, if all legally held weapons were handed over to the govenment,

who would be left having weapons ?

it's a catch 22 really ;-))


Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

>> protect me and mine from a criminal who has no right to have a gun.

yer but by having legal firearms you get more illegal firearms so you are in a way helping the criminals

also if I was a criminal and I was going to rob you and i thought you might have a gun I'd be more likely to get myself one too

spanno

Enforcer, ethically I'd have seperated them as they did. But as a viewer, Tuvix was 10X more interesting than that freaky decendent of a hedgehog, Neelix, so from that standpoint ... :-)))

Dravyk

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment080200a.shtml

seems canadians love their guns too. ;-))

the point is not to have a gun to use it.
I pray to god I would never have to use mine
but if the need arose I would without hesitation,
to protect me and mine from a criminal who has no right to have a gun.

Cybrglide

The ethical dilemma posed in that episode in an incredible one. What would you have done?? Gone ahead and seperated them or let Tuvix live??


TheEnforcer

Please dont take it easy.. Eriks right though. In Texas its different . Even though racium is outlawed we still have it majorly here.
Miss Prinny Dont take it Easy

And Im not saying that we couldnt live without guns either, but
its a right I was born with,
and a right I will die with.
One way or the other. I
love guns, I love hunting with
guns, but I also hunt with
bow and arrow. I love guns
as a means of protection.
Most perps are jacked up on
something, and hitting them
with anything other than a
.45 slug wont hardly phase
them.
voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?) Hows the View from the Cheap Seats?

>> but if the gun saved my kids and me from something bad

Thats another one like "you could win the lottery" really

I wonder what statistically the chances of having a (legal) gun in britain (where guns are not legal) would save your ass?

There is no situation really I can ever think of... and personally I think statistically if I had a gun I'd be more likely to hurt someone else or myself thru accident or doing something stupid if was mad at someone or drunk or something.

spanno

Serge, yep, I can believe it. :-)

CG, works for me. :-))

Enforcer, overall I did not like STVOY compared to all the other Treks. That said, I agree the Tuvix one was among its (very rare) better-written episodes.

Dravyk your two-minute daily must-read

you and guns Is like I like drinking beer, its probably not good for me but I do it and if you tried to take my beer away from me I'd get pissed off. I don't try to imagine if beer was banned there would be less alchohol deaths, I don't try to imagine beer helps me to defend myself better but it makes me feel like I am well hard and could fight good when I am drunk!

spanno

Please, I think that when most of us discuss "guns", we are talking handguns. Hunting rifles and shotguns have a purpose and that is fine... provided they are kept under lock and key when not being used to hunt.

Nobody can suggest that you would hunt with a snubnose 38... at least not with any chance of killing anything except maybe trees.

Alex
RawAlex

I think I do understand basically you just like guns and you want them ?

I'm not trying to change your mind about guns I'm just saying I don't think your arguments for guns are very convincing and you can live without them like we do here. It doesn't mean I think you should if you like guns thats fine.

I like guns too

spanno

if you take the guns out of the hands of upstanding law abiding
people only the criminals will have guns ...

just my 2 cents from a person with a state issued CWP
;-))

Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

It's the Canadian in me, I don't live in a place where everyone has a condom, so I don't feel the need.


It's the Canadian in me, I don't live in a place where everyone has a common sense, so I don't feel the need.


Serge, sorry, your attempt at logic is a little off the charts.

Guns in the US are not common sense. They are the result of 200+ years of pretty much letting anyone who wants carry an instrument who's sole purpose is to kill, to injure, or to force... you people need guns BECAUSE everyone else has them.

In Canada, most people DON'T HAVE GUNS - so the need isn't there.

As for guns for hunting, well, I would love to see how well you hunt with a saturday night special, or how much good meat you get from a buck when you have sprayed with a tec-9.

Serge, would you care to try again, this time actually using some common sense?

Alex
RawAlex

Spanno,,,,,, how can I put this
politely?

I can see how it would be
difficult for someone not
born and raised in the USA
to understand this issue,
but guns are part of America,
part of its freedom, which
is what America stands for.
I really cant ask you to
understand, as there are
some americans that dont
understand themselves. But,
as much as you would like to
change someones mind on this
matter, its not going to happen.

voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?) Hows the View from the Cheap Seats?

it's REALLY funny...the ONLY people who advocate anti gun laws are the ones who can't have them by the laws of their locales and Cleo.


that explains me a lot
(excpet in Cleo's case)
Serge

I know it seems weird but you really don't have to have guns, there are really not many legal uses for a gun that can't be substituted for something less lethal and I just don't believe the argument that legalising guns is going to reduce gun deaths :o)

I'd still like to have one though :o)


spanno

Cyberglide,

You got the small minded right.
:-))
voodooman (Do you TRUST that I'm straight?)

BTW, dravyk I got your email
I'll reply in the A.M. ;-))


Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

damn, looks like I missed some action.

just another small minded anon poster I take it ?


Cybrglide Extreme Green - Home Of The Exit Console Free Zone ...

Dravyk,

You get the syndication of Star Trek Voyager by you? Watching the episode Tuvix right now. Now THAT'S an episode that gets to the heart of Star Trek!! What a GREAT moral dilemma!! I bet Colin would LOVE to discuss an issue like that!!


TheEnforcer

Hi everyone,
I been ready the opinions about the guns and I think the guns isn't the problem, the people who own a gun yet, and each one think and feel different, so at the right moment you may need use it, each one will use at the way they have in mint or by reflex. I personally think the civil people maybe should don't be laud to own a gun, but at the same time we have the crime around, that legal or not they will get guns, in Brazil you not laud to have one, if you may need for some reason you need a permission and then register it, nobody do, anyway that doesn't stop people to get one when they really want it. My ex-hubby in Brazil worked in a city about four hours from home about five months and come to home only every two weeks, so we had a gun because I'll be by my self with the kids and I never forgot the day I was ready to sleep turn off the all lights then I listen very well somebody jump in my backyard, God I jump of the bed got the gun and shooting it up to sky by the window about three times, I was so fucking afraid, and could listen somebody running to the street, count sleep anymore, so until today date I never knew what really happen, but if the gun saved my kids and me from something bad...well what can I say, I was glad to have a gun at this moment.
Luna (ass & grass)

she is from Texas.
***************************

Torone,
she is all yours! be gentle!
;-)))
Serge

Spanno,
join the police force
Serge

Dravyk,
that was my FIRST non commercial post I deleted in 5 months...
Serge

>> Ok I have to ask, if a unarmed policeman in England comes upon an armed robbery in progress what do they do

I dunno exactly probably get shot! but what I think they are sposed to do is call the armed response vehicle dudes who turn up with the firepower



spanno