fp,

There was, :-)) but at that price,
it didnt last long.

voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

Serge,

You like seamen dont you?
:-))))
voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

Wow looks like a 4 way tie between the ladies :)

sounds kinda yummy huh?





Ryan AAA Adult Design

Anybody know of a decent credit card/report sponsor these days? Prefer one that doesn't use cj.com..


Al

Jim,
I just wired the money for the new waverunner
http://military.sinor.ru/Sov/Sov10.jpg

when are you coming back so we could find the fucking boater who overturned us?

I wanna see his face when he sees that!
http://military.sinor.ru/Sov/Sov10.jpg

it even has Florida Registration sticker already!

Serge

Sykk you know I have full respect for you. I know you run a great program.

If you remember I have stood up against people who were involved with shady business deals. I have called them out by name - and suffered a lot from it.

I run my operation very cleanly, but I know when the gov't comes in, they are going to lump me and YOU together with all the beasty, crdit card scammers, XP, underage non nude teen sites, and rest of the cockholsters...


Mike AI Strong processing, ethical standards, will be there for you in 20 years!

Damn! Serge...you are beating me for last place!
MrCash! Possibly the highest paying 4free proggy?...you tell me!

Just checked out RESIDENT EVIL!
fans of the game will be pleasantly suprised!
MrCash! Possibly the highest paying 4free proggy?...you tell me!

New Leaderboard
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5 way tie for Ist place.
dan the man
voodoochile
PornDoggy
big dog
bloodlust

Tons of people one or two points behind. Round 2 will begin to thin the herd.

http://www.opranoplus.com/marchmadness/leaderboard.html
mutt Need Some Professional Design Work Done At Great Prices? click here

Wig, I know ;)))

no worries
SykkBoy

ethics and professional responsibility? ok, fair enough, but you've been talking about content issues...billing issues with crossbilling and recur terms hidden in -2 font face at the bottom of a page no one reads is harmful, there's no doubt about that, but you'v been bringing up content issues...two different things IMHO...as for things that effect our industry? well, we are in the porn industry, there will always be opposition, whether it's a simple nude or something more explicit...

as for what puts food on my table, most of it is non-adult and other investments ;))), but seriously, that's why I do what I'm comfortable with. with the darkdollars sites, we only had 3 chargebacks in 13 months (through corporate restructuring, we're down for a few more days) and it's because we keep things above board, we don't make it impossible to cancel, we answer member emails and give partial refunds to those who are truly unhappy...we run and a clean business and I have no worries about my business.

I know you run your sites clean, so why worry? Ferful your billing company may disappear, use your own billing, use backups, have a contingency plan. When I was in the restaurant business, we made money by running a great kitchen with high quality food, we didn't sit around worrying about what Emeril or Wolfie Puck were doing...

so, it's no so much ignorance as indifference....


SykkBoy

Sykk,

I hear ya. I was trying to be funny. ;-))


Pretty weak attempt, I guess. lol
Wig No one does it better

Sykk, I know you like to get caught up in the moral issue. That is why if you read clearly I did not mention MORALS.

I mentioned ethics, and professional responsibility. My #1 concern is my own ass and the future of my business. When other people do stupid things to bring negative attention on the industry, and do things that are indefensible, well it hurts my business.

That is my arguement... not if beasty and other things are right or wrong morally, but rather if its going to hurt OUR indutry. The same one that provides you a salary to put food on the table for your kids.

What if we were all you you sykk? Don't asl, Don't tell... just go through life being ignorant...

Life like that would be grand!


Mike AI Strong processing, ethical standards, will be there for you in 20 years!

Wig,
regarding politics, I do my part there by voting :) and I usually pay more attention to local politics, since that's usually easier to control and of course makes a difference on my business (not that national politics won't, but things like ordinances and zoning issues effect me more than some of the national laws).
SykkBoy

Better then throwing your hands up and saying " well we cannot do anything about it"
***********************

Kind of like Politics, huh?

Sykk, you got mail.

Wig No one does it better

that's what's going to happen Mike.
VISA is taking it into their own hands and is hunting down Lolita and other illegal sites. They say they are going to blacklist those involved.

I wonder though if they would dare to blacklist somebody's merchant account if that company was working tirelessly for over 5 years with the FBI and US Customs in some sophisticated sting operation that is far too complex for anybody to explain?
mutt

true Mike, but where do billing companies draw the line? and what type of sites should we go after them for? do we go after Mirimax for allowing a dog hardon in "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back"? or Amazon.com for selling the movies "Pretty Baby" and "Lolita" (there's the "L" word)

do we use your morals, my morals, ScottPB's morals, Nickatilynx's moral, TheEnforcer's morals?

it's not a matter of throwing my hands up as much as I'm concentrating on running my business the way I and my attorney see fit. It's almsot like this whole crazy freedom os speech thing I'm a sucker for...I sometimes have to defend speech I don't necessarily agree with...


SykkBoy

Sykk I agree with you on these issues. Self policing is a good concept. But rather going after each webmaster which is like chasing cockroaches, go after the nests - billing companies, hosts, etc. If all billing companies refuse to work with these kinds of sites it would knock out a lot of it.

Just like the state department is going after terrorists money, we know it won't end it, but it can help.

Better then throwing your hands up and saying " well we cannot do anything about it"


Mike AI Strong processing, ethical standards, will be there for you in 20 years!

mutt, I agree...
I think the no-nude teen sites are worse than the beasty sites...hell, I think what Hollywood does to young actresses and what the fashion industry does to modles is more obscene than a horse getting a blow job from a brazilian crackwhore...

Mike, true, but the ideal of self policing cracks me up...it's always good in theory but always proves to be impractical...and what would we base this self policing on? what offends *us*...would there be a vote to what is more offensive? a horse getting a blow job or some Japanese gal getting a bukakke facial from 10 guys? people pissing on each other or shitting on each other? fake snuff or fake rape? and who would elect those who would "repesent" us...the egos would come into play and things would be a bigger cluster fuck than they already are...

I think the billing practices of some sites are ten times more damaging than which content is going to upset someone...there will always be anti-porn people, whether it's simple nudes or dogfucking...but the billing practices are killing the most important thing...surfers who have shown a willingnesws to pay for porn...
SykkBoy

voodooman

no games?
fp

Sykk, of course no one has any real power over people on the net.
**********************************

I've got the power!!!!!!!

and I'll prove it to you!

hit
http://cotac.com
and tell me what color you see.
I bet some will see one color, some will see another..
that's POWER!
;-))
Serge

i think beastiality is sick,twisted whatever but I definitely don't think it's anywhere near as condemnable(???) as anything to do with kids and sex. I think those child modelling sites are child abuse/porn.

I'm sure the animals used in beast porn aren't treated well but that's another issue. I don't worry though that a horse whose had his dick sucked by some German crack whore is going to be screwed up mentally for the rest of his life.


mutt Lookin' swell Lassie

Sykk, of course no one has any real power over people on the net. That is one of the biggest assets, weaknesses of the industry.

However, I think we as an indsutry should try to work together to self police and encourage webmasters, and companies to do things that are not going to hurt all of us.

That is why some people are leaders, other people are followers, and others are rogues...


Mike AI Strong processing, ethical standards, will be there for you in 20 years!

...don't think I didn't see this mutt....

*****************
Gettin old I am.
mutt Lookin' tired Louis

hahahahahhahaaahha
MikeFold Feeling Good Billy Ray
*********************************


hehehe......it was an HOMAGE MikeFold! :)


mutt

Mike, I didn't say I was into bestaility, I just don't care if someone else is...

as for the filth? again,I concern myself with my own sites and don't spend time worrying about what someone else is doing...I maintain sites that I can personally feel comfortable with and wouldn't have the ego to think I could dictate what others do with their sites and they would actually listen and/or care ;)))


SykkBoy

Good day folks =0)

After reading the feed back about threaded vs flat, register vs no register here my partner and I decided to run a little testes and see how much of a difference it really makes.. You now don't have to register to post at our board.. No big deal but, I thought I would spread the word a little over here.

Thanks for your time and have a great weekend =0))

Peace
Martin www.sarcastic-bastards.com

Colin, I'm probably one of the few who will *openly* admit I really am not that angered over bestiality sites....I could give a shit what someone else does with their sites ;)))
_______________________

Sykk please realease Fifi, turn her over to the local SPCA, I am sure they will find her a safe, non-abusive home!

HAHAHAHA

:-)

I guess you don't care about any of the other filth out there since you "... could give a shit what someone else does with their sites"


Mike AI Strong processing, ethical standards, will be there for you in 20 years!

er, I mean UNLV

that's bad when I typo my own alma mater........
SykkBoy

Colin, I'm probably one of the few who will *openly* admit I really am not that angered over bestiality sites....I could give a shit what someone else does with their sites ;)))

my only pet peeve is high and mighty webmasters who have their own skeletons in the proverbial closet ;)))


man, this is hard to read about:
http://sports.iwon.com/news/03152002/v7871.html
I can't believe Tark is retiring from coaching...I remember the Tark years at UNLY...I think I still have my old Shark Bite t-shirt...I may have to break it out and wear it as a sign of respect....
SykkBoy good to the last click

I thought Sykk was into other nive things
;-))
Serge nothing to declare

Hey .. ya just hit Sykkboy's Pet Peeve.

It's ... bestiality

Colin Beware the Ides of March! 4 Free Bucks!

...don't think I didn't see this mutt....

*****************
Gettin old I am.
mutt Lookin' tired Louis
Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:57:02 - IP: 24.112.37.86 - Post # 65740
****************

hahahahahhahaaahha
MikeFold Feeling Good Billy Ray

So many other animals are much better lays.
************************

bullshit!

but...I'm willing to learn from
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&q=ccbill+beastiality&btnG=Google+Search
Serge

This is pretty twisted...

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-rape0314.story?coll=ny%2Dhomepage%2Dmore%2Dbreaking%2Dnews
Mike AI

I don't know what all the fuss is about sex with a goat. So many other animals are much better lays.
To each his own I reckon. Gotta run there's a sexy little badger waiting for me.
Grizzly Adams

You KNOW I would :))
Nick

Serge, is this spam??? :-))
voodooman
*****************************

of course NOT, as long as the beak is wet
;-))
Serge

Colin,
in this business GOATS are much safer than
"bouncing betties" in Vietnam
or "bouncing checks" every where else
;-)))

lots of folks would BUY from me "goats" and pay me their "checks"
;-))
Serge

thank god for broadband cable access....i'm uploading at 1.33KB/sec. Hard to beat that kinda performance with a dialup connection! ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM ....
ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM


mutt Mr-Cash Don't Know Jack About Hoops But He Knows How To Make YOU $$$!!!

Ever play the word association game to try and figure out how information is categorized in your memory?

I say orange, you think apple.
I say apple, you think red.

I say goat, and most of ya think "Serge".

He's getting inside your head.


Colin Beware the Ides of March! 4 Free Bucks!

Colin? me? issues? hehehehe

well growing up with woodstock hippy parents (my dad was a vietnam vet turned woodstock hippy)...leads to a few issues ;))) damn my mom for taking the plaid acid ;)))))))
SykkBoy the issue is making more money

Grimm....

For the record, we like to call that pitcher, Pearl Jam....

Jeremy and Alvin abused him at the plate....

Lots of Fun... We missed your mighty bat, though Luke filled
in well at DH.....

See ya Next Week....
HiriseTim

Anyone want a PlayStation 2 ?

2 controllers, mem card, 3 months old.
Special Oprano Price $150.00 + s/h
till end of the day. Then its
going on ebay.
voodooman at shadowmail dot com

Serge, is this spam??? :-))
voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

Obviously one of Serge's relatives....

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/top_story.html?in_review_id=523151&in_review_text_id=488125
Snaz People Against the Unethical Treatment of Goats!

Sykk,

I think you have "issues".

"no, wait that was my mother's last words to me"
Colin Beware the Ides of March ya Filthy Whores!

mike.. he is great at baseball and golf, but that is about as far as it goes:)

Thats awesome, My GF was at the game, i was on the phone with her when jeremy hit the grand slam. awesome.cant wait to be back next week.

that team you beat, i hate them, peter pan at pitcher:)

go big Al!
grimm (Blow Me)

HEHE probably so.

You would be happy with the Chickenhead softball team. Won handily with 10 run rule, against the little "gay" team. With the pitcher who paints his nails black.

They were crying the whole time like babies...

Alvin hit a home run, and Jeremy had a grand-slam!


Mike AI

A lot of parity in the league this year, it is showing more each year.


grimm (Blow Me)

Mike.. i think i have better skills than he does:)
grimm (Blow Me)

Comming next week

Market,Price and BRAND your own File Protection Software

Lock-It-Down

Icq me for a Demo BEFORE it hits the market

118156620

Forest Be a PLAYER with your Own BRANDED Eraser

HAHA Jay must be celebrating!! Wonder if he has any b-ball skills.

Yates should be hung, alung with husband, and shrink who took her off medication.


Mike AI

Creighton is in nebraska..

Mike... Jay went to creighton prep.


grimm (Blow Me)

So Yates gets LIFE with possible parole in 40 years??

Justice??

Forest Party European Style

http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48011,00.html

Forest, don't let it stop you,
there is still hope
US Supreme Court!
Serge

Thanx Shok!

Forest

well congrats to all the Creighton alumni out there. more luck finding a four leaf clover than somebody who went to Creighton :)

Leaderboard Updated
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http://www.opranoplus.com/marchmadness/leaderboard.html
mutt

http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48011,00.html

Important information for Forest.


Mike AI

shok, that's odd, I thought her last words to you were "if only I'd had access to a longer coat hanger...."

no, wait that was my mother's last words to me (well the last words she said the other day before I left anyways....)
SykkBoy it's bank-o-rific!

Just out of curiosity is there a prize for last place in the Oprano March Madness pool? ;-)


Vick It's not true that I think with my dick. But I do go to it a lot for advice

mutt, i think "creighton" is in omaha, nebraska. not positive, though.
bummer

nah....Ted's got a big head. Literally a GIGANTIC HUMONGOUS HEAD!

ABC wanted Letterman badly, Koppel has been mailing it in for years.

I can't believe that show is so old, seems like about 2 years ago that whole thing started with the hostages in Iran.

Gettin old I am.


mutt Lookin' tired Louis

Sykk, wow those were my mothers dying words to me.

Shok $$$$$$$$

Creighton wins 83-82
Damn IT

Brandi RRRED's dating service

Mutt .2 seconds left in double overtime and Creighton hits a three pointer

Brandi RRRED's dating service

shok is a dirty, filthy whore...

now that I got that out of the way....

anyone think that Ted Koppel's ego is bruised that he gets less autograph requests than Ron Jeremy? ;)))
SykkBoy make more bank

Serge has a death grip on last place and I don't think he's going to let it go.

post who wins the overtime between Creighton and Florida. I'll put up a new leaderboard when that game is final.

Where is Creighton anyways?
mutt

or Serge is going to beat me.
********************************

I don't beat on women, only "antics"
;-)))
Serge

What the heck is up with double overtime. I leave for 15 minutes and come back to this crap. I need Florida to win or Serge is going to beat me.
Brandi RRRED's dating service

thanks RRRed :)
Atlas

RRRED is out of the office right now, shes on the phone and says:

"Forrest, I will get with you later tonight...Meni, piss off...Mutt, very funny."

Shok RRRED'S messaging system

Joe Gibbs back in the NFL
http://msn.espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/0315/1351873.html

Vick I have only one thing to say about Platonic relationships - Fuck Plato!

RRRed is single?
**************************

no, she has us....
poor RRRED!
;-)))
Serge

i mean a MMMilf
mutt

MILF?
mutt

RRRed is single?
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

I have something I think you'll be interested in
***********************

Forest, RRRed is a single mom, but she is NOT that desperate
;-)))
Serge (GET A PIECE OF THE ROCK!) the model JohnIP loves so much....he calls it "my baby"

Rrred

Hit me up 118156620

I have something I think you'll be interested in
Forest

Atlas, try http://www.opranoplus.com/ :)

I've brought some virtual donuts, bbq pringles, and squirt cheese that I won at a recent auction for everyone. I wish that I could drop rays of sunshine on every single one of you.

*HUGS

haha even you shok :) I want your wheels
RRRED Just had to purchase a larger monitor to view our stats :)
Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:59:49 - IP: 207.175.251.201 - Post # 65704
-------------------------

Someone's got he munchies! Someone's got the munchies!! ;>))

Only explanantion there can be for a post from rrred, or anyone else for that matter, that includes a weird list of foods and nice things to say to shok!!

;>))


TheEnforcer Making Bank

The Producer I still have not been with 3 Girls at Once
******************************

glad you've been with 3 guys!
;-)))
Serge the model JohnIP loves so much....he calls it "my baby"

Gosh 2 almost killed me, could you imagine? Anyhow, this is the busiest fucking board I have ever seen. It is almost like there is a script running somewhere making posts automatically. Damn, the time just flies by here. Gonna go crazycontent, see ya!

Erik
The Producer I still have not been with 3 Girls at Once

Frog Legs
*******************

I had it last time!!!

I need something NEW!
;-)))
Serge the model JohnIP loves so much....he calls it "my baby"

This should be interesting tonight....


NIGHTLINE: Dirty Business


TONIGHT'S SUBJECT: It's a multi-billion dollar industry, the only business that is really making money on the internet, it helped fuel the VCR revolution, and it's making big money for companies that you might not expect. I'm talking, of course, about pornography.

----

When Ted travels, or even when he walks down the street, people always come up and say "hi," ask for an autograph or just say nice things about Nightline. I have never seen anyone be anything but polite. Ted recently went out to Las Vegas for an event, and the same thing happened to him as he left the airport. But the driver who picked him up said something to the effect of "boy, you should have seen what happened when Ron Jeremy came through the airport. It took him two hours to get out, everyone wanted his autograph, to have their picture taken with him, just to say hi."

Ron Jeremy, for those of you who don't know, or maybe don't want to admit to knowing, is probably the most famous porn star in the U.S. And that got us thinking about just how big an industry porn has become. As internet businesses fail by the score, porn really is about the only business that is making money on the net, and making it in the hundreds of millions of dollars. A lot of people think that the VCR revolution was driven in no small part by pornography. People could now watch it in their homes, and not have to dare the sleazy movie theater in Times Square. In fact, those theaters, which in many ways served as a rite of passage for many young men, have really disappeared. So have most of the sleazy stores.

No, porn is now a business being run by business men. The phone companies? They make money off of phone sex lines. The credit card companies? You bet, how is this stuff being paid for? And companies that you might not expect own cable or satellite companies that have explicit channels on them. Go into just about any hotel room, and the in-house television system will offer up adult movies, with the reminder that the titles will not appear on your bill prominently displayed. One hotel chain that chose not to offer adult movies estimates that they have lost millions of dollars.

And clearly this is all happening because as porn becomes available in ways that people can view it in the privacy of their own homes, there is clearly a huge demand. And this has legal consequences as well. The legal standard for obscenity is "community standards." But if that community is on the net, or on satellite tv, or cable, then the idea of "community standards" almost becomes meaningless.

So tonight we're going to look at the business tonight, and for those of you wondering, you're not going to see any dirty pictures on Nightline. I don't know if that will be a disappointment or a relief to all of you, but there is enough of it out there without us showing it to you. And if the marketing experts are right, many of you, or people you know, are watching already anyway.

Friday, March 15, 2002

Leroy Sievers and the Nightline Staff
Nightline Offices
Washington, D.C.
Clay (ROCK SOLID PROCESSING) ----Epoch!----

"I've brought some virtual donuts, bbq pringles, and squirt cheese that I won at a recent auction for everyone. I wish that I could drop rays of sunshine on every single one of you."

My hair is about waistlength, and this just made it all stand straight up. Plus a nice blackboard scrape shiver went up my back.
Robert

Frog Legs and RRRED's stupid virtual doughnuts. We can keep the pringles.
Brandi Levinson $$$$$Get your Frog Legs here $$$$$$

so, Brandi, if calf brain and sushi is out, what's next than?
;-))
Serge no rubber checks here

My Dear Serge what ever are you talking about love =)
******************************

ahhh,
it's only a rumor which were vehemently denied...so I heard...
;-)))

I'm looking for a scan now
;-)))
Serge

My Dear Serge what ever are you talking about love =)
Brandi Levinson Our checks are made from paper not rubber!

Our checks are made from paper not rubber!
**************************

that was a LOW blow, Brandi!!!!
;-)))))
Serge the model JohnIP loves so much....he calls it "my baby"

thats why we love rrred so much...heres a token for you rrred
http://www.bangedup.com/archives/Hotmailytessage.jpg

Shok cell phone $$$$

Morning oprano :)

US Casino's having problems?

(sarcasm level on high) Well thats a shame.US Citizens go to jail.Ah well,never mind ;)))))


Nickatilynx (The Internet's No1 Crook, CERTIFYED!)

Which is the Jewish food that's made of cow brains?

mutt

Shok you are making me sick. Everyone knows that RRRED only spews venom and lies on all levels.
She is trying to suck you in so that she can chew you up and spit you out again.
Brandi Levinson Our checks are made from paper not rubber!

hey nowwwwwwwwwwww........somebody saying that if my brains were to be put on a restaurant menu they would only make it to the Appetizers section of the menu?


Bad news for American casinos who want to get into the online casino/sportsbetting biz.

US Tightens Online Gambling Laws

http://www.opranoplus.com

I still don't know how Playboy has a cyber casino. They are based in the US. Others have been thrown in jail for the same thing.




mutt

yes RRRED I will take a chocolate covered virtual doughnut with sprinkles please.

Shok cell phone $$$$

I've brought some virtual donuts, bbq pringles, and squirt cheese that I won at a recent auction for everyone. I wish that I could drop rays of sunshine on every single one of you.

*HUGS
=======================

You FUCK!
Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

"I have big scar on my penis"

Are you willing to go Michael Jackon style search to prove it?
Colin 4 Free Bucks. Riders on the Storm

Atlas, try http://www.opranoplus.com/ :)

I've brought some virtual donuts, bbq pringles, and squirt cheese that I won at a recent auction for everyone. I wish that I could drop rays of sunshine on every single one of you.

*HUGS

haha even you shok :) I want your wheels
RRRED Just had to purchase a larger monitor to view our stats :)

http://www.dimx.com/serge/

LOL

oh,you missed the point
Scars and Marks: None

most wanted people have scars! You try to cover your real identity serge ;)
Atlas

serge

according to that article i posted last night on Oplus, VISA has hired a company to search the web for Lolita sites using VISA.
So if you're using sponsors that use a third party processor that is Lolita friendly, you better be aware that your recurrings with VISA could disappear overnight.


mutt
---------------------------------

is it easy to post again the link cause if you have it available or i'll try to find it from the archive. Thanks a lot

Atlas

hahahahaha,
this one is already in my collection!
http://attni.com/fold/

it was posted here about 10 days ago
;-)))
Serge