While riding one day a cowboy met an Indian riding along with a dog and a
sheep and began a conversation.
Cowboy: "Hey, cool dog you got there. Mind if I speak to him?"

Indian: "Dog no talk."

Cowboy: "Hey dog, how's it going?"

Dog: "Doin' alright."

Indian: Look of shock.

Cowboy: "Is this Indian your owner?" pointing at the Indian.

Dog: "Yep"

Cowboy: "How does he treat you?"

Dog: "Real good. He walks me twice a day, feeds me great food, and takes
me to the lake once a week to play."

Indian: Look of total disbelief.

Cowboy: "Mind if I talk to your horse?"

Indian: "Horse no talk."

Cowboy: "Hey horse, how's it going?"

Horse: "Cool."

Indian: Extreme look of shock.

Cowboy: "Is this your owner?" pointing at Indian.

Horse: "Yep."

Cowboy: "How's he treat you?"

Horse: "Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me
down often, and keeps me in a shed to protect me."

Indian: Total look of utter amazement.

Cowboy: "Mind if I talk to your sheep?"

Indian: "Sheep liar."

:-)


Webfather

that's not a way to throw up!!!!

one gotta do it properly and throw up out of the window at 70 miles an hours on the highway and let EVERYBODY join the fun!
------------------------------------------------

then when your friends see the mess down the side of your car

BLAME THE WIFE !!! (thats how I do it)

;-))
Cybrglide

Drestin,
you come here not to miss the latest PROPER barfing techniques
;-))
Serge

Morning, Oprano!

*****************************
one gotta do it properly and throw up out of the window at 70 miles an hours on the highway and let EVERYBODY join the fun!
;-))
*****************************

Why do I even come here?

:)
Drestin

HAHAHA ;-)
http://www.myclickapic.com/procrastination.shtml

Timon

Serge, not sure what the dividends
are. I thought you were going to do
the looking and let me know. ;-))

IO's are mortgaged backed security
derivatives. Collateral are GNMA,
FNMA and/or Freddie Mac. Basically,
they split the mortgages into IO's
and PO's (interest only and
prinicpal only securities).

You buy both at deep discounts. If
rates go down enough to refinance
you get paid back at par on the PO
and make big gain.

If rates do not go down enough to
refinance, you clip coupn on par
value having only paid deep discount
on IO. Been several years since I
dealt in it, but you can get 10-11%
yields.

good credit risk. real risk is
direction of long term rates.

Wig http://www.achdebit.com

I don't think World Telemedia 2002
has anything to do with LittleC

http://www.noconline.org/nocworld/amsterdam/amsterdam.htm

Timon

Body fluids being hurled, discussions of private body parts, must be the Oprano main board.

Good Morning, it's Monday, just in case you didn't know.

Am I awake?
Cleo (bio hazard) My sisters having sex with each other

Why... are you saying Amsterdam sucks? :-)

Timon
***************************

I never said that,
I never been there yet,
as the last time I bought tix to attend LittleC's show, she cancelled it without telling one word.

Amsterdamn should be good,
LittleC is what I worry about...very unreliable person.
Serge

Mining companies pay dividens. ;-))

Hey, have you ever looked at an IO (interest only mortgage derivative)?

Should do well if lang rates stay flat or rise, which I expect.

Wig
**************************

can you give me few names???
(IO)

as for dividends from mining stocks...
if it below 7%,
I am not interested
;_))
Serge

serge - news just in - Emil threw up in a cup on the way home in a friends car.
jonas
******************************

shit!!!

that's not a way to throw up!!!!

one gotta do it properly and throw up out of the window at 70 miles an hours on the highway and let EVERYBODY join the fun!
;-))
Serge

BTW, Timon, Python is a Dutch company, and even them couldn't stand it and moved to Toronto
*******************************
I think they only opened an office there for obvious reasons...
Cassa Rosso didn't move anywhere...

Why... are you saying Amsterdam sucks? :-)

Timon

lang = long ;-)
Wig http://www.achdebit.com

nope....I like monthly dividends,
I love to know what I am getting on the monthly basis
**************************

Mining companies pay dividens. ;-))

Hey, have you ever looked at an IO (interest only mortgage derivative)?

Should do well if lang rates stay flat or rise, which I expect.

Wig http://www.achdebit.com

mr cash - next time. glad you could get serge out in the sun. first time i have seen him in florida with some color (red).

wig - of course i will be at the show. it will be right up the road.

ok - now i am really out of here.

serge - news just in - Emil threw up in a cup on the way home in a friends car.
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Sounds like it was a blast!
MrCash!
************************

and it was!

I felt myself like I was in the Garden of Eden!

what a beauties!

...and even the food was great!
;-))
Serge

i will be back later. I am off for my morning bike ride by the beach.
**************************

Bastard! ;-)) I am off to clean out
horse stall and feed.
Wig http://www.achdebit.com

The Dutch don't mind Americans at all... We dislike
countries closer to home.... ;-)

It's the Brittish that dislike Americans AFAIK...

Timon

Ever find any interesting mining stocks?

Wig
**********************

nope....I like monthly dividends,
I love to know what I am getting on the monthly basis
;-))
Serge

i will be back later. I am off for my morning bike ride by the beach.

serge - once again, thanks for coming. and look forward to seeing you again in a week or two.
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Jonas, I hear ya! Nothing worse than
coming to FLA when it's already muggy
and having it rain.

btw, are you planning on going to the
show there? I would not have even
thought about it unless I killed two
birds with one stone.


Wig http://www.achdebit.com

Thanks Jonas....Sorry I missed the party!

Sounds like it was a blast!
MrCash!

BTW, Timon, Python is a Dutch company, and even them couldn't stand it and moved to Toronto
;-))
Serge

mr. cash - email my partner emil. he will send all the info on where to get free feeds, videos, etc... ezs@mshproductions.com he should wake from his drunken stupor sooner or later
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Serge, depending on what you're looking for,
Amsterdam has better than the best to offer ;-)

Timon
*************************

...and my Russians tell me that dutch don't like americans even more than russkies!

is that true?
Serge

Wig...you like to wear sundresses?
**********************

I thought he was talking about your
clothes? LOL


Wig http://www.achdebit.com

hey - i didn't see it, i just heard that girl say it. she sure sounded impressed with the size
********************************

likely story!!!!

it's still there!

http://manlover.com
;-))
Serge

Serge, depending on what you're looking for,
Amsterdam has better than the best to offer ;-)

Timon

I have fuul closet of wardrobe you can use
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Wig...you like to wear sundresses?

P.S..anyone know of some free gay feeds?
MrCash!

no bong, but he did go downstairs and party with our security gaurd. he played bartender.

wig - hopefully it won't be raining. why do we hve the conventions in the worst possible months in florida. August is hot, humid, chance of hurricanes and tropical storms. i guess they get best deals for convention pricing then
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

I am stock market whore and have no problems getting in and out on the hat drop
****************

Nimbleness never hurt anybody! ;-))

Ever find any interesting mining stocks?

Wig http://www.achdebit.com

Timon,
is this
http://www.contentspotlight.com/ema66.jpg
the best Amsterdamn has to offer???

I still have my tix from previous CANCELLED show there,
LittleC is NOT the most reliable person in the world
Serge

hey - i didn't see it, i just heard that girl say it. she sure sounded impressed with the size
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Serge, unfortunately, it looks like
after June sometime. I have too much
booked between now and then. Was
thinking maybe in late June or for the
August show.

Jonas, I can just see Emil now. He
wasn't hitting the bong, was he?? ;-))

Wig http://www.achdebit.com

Wig,
I started cutting my positions on Friday and will continue on that again.

I am stock market whore and have no problems getting in and out on the hat drop
;-))
Serge

Alright, which one of you cock holsters is going to be here?

http://www.contentspotlight.com/boxoffice.html

Timon

serge - by the way, you really do have a big weiner
jonas
**************************

shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or I'll never attend your parties again!
;-)))
Serge

Serge (and Monk)-

IMO, this is the time to expect a drop
into early April.

I see the possibility of the Naz
hitting new intra-year lows, with
the DJIA and the S&P putting in a
higher low. This low should lead to
a new rally with the possibility of
the DJIA re-testing its all-time
high.

After that, I think it gets ugly again.

Wig http://www.achdebit.com

one thing fr sure, he sw double the breasts you saw
*****************************

damn!!!

lucky bastard!!!!
;-))

I gotta do it more often!
;-)))
Serge

wassup wig!

we sure will. we already have the place - serge's.

serge - by the way, you really do have a big weiner
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Wig, when are you coming down???

I have fuul closet of wardrobe you can use
;-))
Serge

thankfully, he didn't break anything. just got real funny to watch. he looked like he was riding a surfboard and became very sloppy. words cannot describe his actions. one thing fr sure, he sw double the breasts you saw.
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

you left too early. emil wound up getting very drunk and imagine, even dumber ;)
************************

you mean more dumb, right? ;-))

wassup boys? i hope you guys have
another get together when I come down!
Wig http://www.achdebit.com

you left too early. emil wound up getting very drunk and imagine, even dumber ;)
***************************

I wopuldn't call it leaving early,
I think I left just in time
;-)))

what have he done?


Serge

typo. should read, but breasts you wouldn't have a problem. too early
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

serge - thanks. ginger terriyaki kabobs from whole foods are delicious.

regarding breasts, they sure are great to look at. (also, suck, etc...) I bet you wouldn't recognize one of our friends by face. but breasts you wouldn't have no problem. good luck on trying to get a pair.

you left too early. emil wound up getting very drunk and imagine, even dumber ;)
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

BTW, Jonas,
I did a lot of eating with my eyes,
all those breasts around still give me woodie
;-))
Serge

You sure ate enough. ;)
*****************************

sure, it was THAT good!
;-))

Voodoo,
I finally found your first real competitor
;-)))
Serge

Are those the ones under the skeletons?!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Colin...I dodn't see any skeletons...just a bunch of bodies...hey...wait a minute.
MrCash!

serge - thanks for coming. I hope you and emi enjoyed yourselves. You sure ate enough. ;)
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

Are those the ones under the skeletons?!

P.S..I also left some clothes in the closet...now I have an excuse to come back!
Colin 4 Free Bucks.

Jim,
any time is good with us
;-)
Serge

P.S..I also left some clothes in the closet...now I have an excuse to come back!
MrCash!

Jim,
the pleasure was all ours,
and YES,
thanks a million for introducing waverunners into our life,
and if this introduction ends up with the boat-
I'll blame it all on you!
;-))
Serge

Besides guilt, what's the downside?
---------------------
as for myself, i think that when a person thinks that the only way they can feel better is to hurt someone else or cause them pain, it is not healthy.

that is what people do right now when they walk into a restaraunt in Isreal strapped with explosives and try to kill as many people as possible.

i think that is the result of starting down that path of rationale

JR

JR

I am a pretty vindictive person so let me explain.

If someone fucks with me I feel anger...

If I fuck him back I feel triumphant...

Feeling triumphant feels better than feeling pissed off so
that's why I take revenge where and whenever possible... ;-))

Timon

Serge! thanks for the weekend...always nice to do grown up stuff!

Ulfie! I am in Daytona too! Uh-Oh...could this be the beginning of a florida webmaster get together?
MrCash!

re: "is it a healthy behavior psychologically?"

I would guess yes for some, worse for some.

Besides guilt, what's the downside?

If revenge fits in and is consistent with one's worldview, it might not do much "psychological damage" at all. If one's worldview changes, it might become a problem.



Colin 4 Free Bucks.

Timon,
100% correct and USA is not an exception
;-)))
Serge

Colin,

Every country is weird in one way or another if you're
willing to stroll away from the beaten path ;-)

Timon

I am pretty certain that many people feel an honest sense of revenge.
------------------------------
i agree with you completely... it just begs some interesting questions:

is that a healthy thing?
does it make anything better?
is it a healthy behavior psychologically?

or is it any different than the logic behind the attacks themselves... the sense of wrongs committed against them and so on?

i think that "schoolyard rules" was the best way to deal with it in this case... if someone brings the fight to you, like 9/11 you got to just take them out because there are no other options.

but what about Palestine/Isreal?

"we kill them because they kill us"
what is better in the end? nothing... nothing is left but hatred, fear and loss of life on both sides.

JR

If they paid the same, I would rather teach physics than do this for work.
*****************************
Looks like my dad has the best of both worlds, he's a physics
teacher and runs very profitable free porn sites on the side...

But he's just keeping the teaching job for his pension and
health insurance...

Timon

What makes YOU happy?
******************************
1. work
2. Great sex
3. traveling
4. my children

Serge

Timon,

Which countries are "weird" and why?

I'm making a hit list ;)
Colin 4 Free Bucks.

Would I be wrong?
**************************
Who am I to say you're wrong ;-)

Timon

JR,

I am pretty certain that many people feel an honest sense of revenge.

9/11 is a case in point. People were very happy to see the bombs and missiles fly.

The mission was originally called
"Operation Infinite Justice" for a reason.

If it were reported that Osama was captured, tortured, and brutally beaten to death today; many people would find that a better ending than if he committed suicide just before American Troops got there.

The feeling that he "got what he deserved" would be strong. Maybe "closure" would be the feelings of some, but I'm sure the CNN Interviews in the Street would show a different beast.



Colin 4 Free Bucks.

1) My girlfriend
2) Money
3) Learning
Colin 4 Free Bucks.

What if I said:

1) My girlfriend
2) Money

Would I be wrong?
Colin 4 Free Bucks.

Colin, what makes you happy?
Buying stuff? :-)

Timon

How many times have we seen interviews with the families of those murdered going to watch the trial of the accussed? How happy they seem to be when "justice" is delivered.
------------------------------
i think there is a difference in wanting to get some sense of "closure" and put it behind you... and wanting to just "get even"





JR

What makes YOU happy?
******************************
1. work
2. sex
3. traveling weird countries
4. seeing a project do really well
5. my hobbies (discus fish & guns)

Timon

JR,

In a sense, eye for an eye does seem rather primitive. The concept of Justice, however, certainly seems to make a lot of people feel better.

How many times have we seen interviews with the families of those murdered going to watch the trial of the accussed? How happy they seem to be when "justice" is delivered.

Have you read Plato's Republic? You probably have. A great book.


Colin 4 Free Bucks.

R3k .. I use email
cowboysurfers@yahoo.com

My magic number is e.
Colin 4 Free Bucks.

Timon,

What makes YOU happy?
Colin 4 Free Bucks. Conspiracy Theories 101.

great post colin.. whats you magic number?

Btw: hit me up sometime, i want to tell you something that my new tgp2 has done for me ;-))
R3K

to think about money BEYOND basic survival issues, which may become an issue as a result of the tragedy, is nothing but disgusting and morbid.
********************************
True, but it's the next best thing since eye for an eye
wouldn't go down very well in a court of law...
----------------------------------
my arguement at 15 is the same as it is today. Why does there need to be "an eye for an eye"?

i think that is a really primative viewpoint.

retribution does not change the reality of what was lost nor does it change the fact that what was lost is gone forever.

in a civil society and civilized culture which we all like to think we live in... "eye for en eye" is not exactly supported by our legal system or basic social contract which we all more or less live by.

I think that someone who feels they need to inflict as much pain on someone that caused them pain is no different in their thinking than someone who would fly a 767 into an office building.

the motivation is the same. the thinking is the same. the rationale is the same. the outcome is the same... more pain, more loss, more suffering and nothing was made better as a result

:-)
JR

Timon,

If they paid the same, I would rather teach physics than do this for work.

If they paid the same, I would rather be a researcher than do this for work.

But THIS work pays better and make me happier.

Money doesn't buy happiness for everyone. Some people have fucked up brain chemistry. It seems to for me.
Colin 4 Free Bucks. Conspiracy Theories 101.

Timon is defining happiness such that it is 0 or 1. "I am happy." "I am not happy".
*****************************
No I am not :-)
I said money makes "happier" but not neccessarily "happy" ;-)

Timon

"Money doesn't buy happiness" is a phrase invented by THE MAN, to keep the common man down!

Timon is one of THEM!



Colin 4 Free Bucks. Conspiracy Theories 101.

So basically you are saying money doesn't buy happiness because
it's impossible to get to a figure where you say "enough" ;-))

"Is there a number where you will say. O.k. Thats enough"

Enough already, just work to avoid boredom...

Timon

Timon is defining happiness such that it is 0 or 1. "I am happy." "I am not happy".

R3K is defining it as a spectrum with a mark where "Happy" is. Say a scale of 1-100 at which happiness is at 80 and which requires a certain amount of money to stay above.

I think you are saying the same thing with different words. In Timon's language, R3K is saying that money buys MORE happiness. In his own language, money buys happiness.

I have found happiness increases with money. A large part of this is that I eliminate the things that bother me most. Because I grew up quite poor, I tend to worry a lot about bills and utilities being turned off and such. With money, these worries fade.

I also get bored quite easily. Money allows you to take a trip somewhere tomorrow or to go buy something. When I buy something, I feel something that I can only call happiness.

Also, when someone relates their self-worth to their assets/$ worth they tend to be happier as they accumulate more because they have a paradigm that says "I have this. I earned this. I am good" and that certainly seems to be happiness.


Colin 4 Free Bucks. Happiness. The REAL Scale.

So what you are really saying is you would be happy once
you get to that magical goal number you set for
yourself but which keeps increasing each time you are
nearing it.....
----------------------------
Yes, thats what I'm saying.. never enough to stop. Is there a number where you will say. O.k. Thats enough....

R3K

Yes.. But for most that magic number IS.
*******************************
So what you are really saying is you would be happy once
you get to that magical goal number you set for
yourself but which keeps increasing each time you are
nearing it.....

Timon

I'll cutt those fuckers off and replace them with platinum ones.
R3K

Ok R3K, be sure to let me know if you changed your mind if
you are ever diagnosed with testical cancer ;-))

Timon

For a lot of us on this board questions about money
aren't hypothetical at all ;-)
-----------------------------

Yes.. But for most that magic number IS.
R3K

to think about money BEYOND basic survival issues, which may become an issue as a result of the tragedy, is nothing but disgusting and morbid.
********************************
True, but it's the next best thing since eye for an eye
wouldn't go down very well in a court of law...

Timon

I will agree that it makes "you" happier.

I will keep my faith and say that it will make me HAPPY. HAHA

I guess that answers my other question. I "am" a shallow bastard.
;-)
R3K

Timon.. Don’t bring butchered family members into my hypothetical questions.
**********************************
For a lot of us on this board questions about money
aren't hypothetical at all ;-)

Timon

R3K, let's agree that money makes you "happier" rather than "happy" ;-))

Timon

Timon.. Don’t bring butchered family members into my hypothetical questions. Haha.

That will screw up any equation.

R3K

But I do always say:

"Money can't buy me love but it can get me some pussy" ;-)

Timon

yes, shamefully i must admit that a few names did rush to mind when i read that. :-)

but it is an interesting question. In the US, they put a $ value on losses like that because the courts ruled that the most realistic way to measure loss is monetarily.

to me it seems a little silly. I can understand being compensated as a mother of 4 children for things like "loss of income" or something. but i cannot justify anything else.

My mother was killed by a drunk driver when i was 15 and there was a lot of talk about suing anyone and everyone by my family.

I really understood that there is no such thing as "compensation" for such a loss and to think about money BEYOND basic survival issues, which may become an issue as a result of the tragedy, is nothing but disgusting and morbid.

JR

Money can buy material things that bring you happiness.
*******************************
I don't agree... money can buy you convenience, money makes
life easier, money takes a way a lot of your worries, money
makes you happier than when you have no money but money
can not buy you real happiness...

losing a loved one or hearing you have terminal cancer will
hurt just as much no matter how rich you are...

Timon

and the great question, hangs in the silence of an oprano evening.
cj (vaginator) $70 signups, all day every day!!

Does that make me a shallow bastard?
R3K

Money can't buy you happiness although having no money
can be a great source of unhappiness...
---------------------------------

Money can buy material things that bring you happiness.

Personaly I dont think I will have
enough, Trying to get it and making profit makes me happy,
but not happy enough to stop. I thought 10 million.
nope. 25? nope. When I think that I have settled on a number.
I see somthing I cant buy with that amount and then its not enough.
;-))
R3K

JR, being able to choose just one or two family members would
make plenty of people happy even without the $10 million ;-))

Timon

$10,000,000 for cutting up your whole family with
a chainsaw?
-----------------------
Timon, this is a tough question. Does it have to be the "whole" family? or can i pick and choose who?
JR

“Money can’t buy happiness”
*********************************
Money can't buy you happiness although having no money
can be a great source of unhappiness...

Someone who is clinically depressed will still be
unhappy even when he's rich...

Also how happy would you be if someone compensated you
$10,000,000 for cutting up your whole family with
a chainsaw?

Timon