There should be room for ALL opinions.
***************************

Sure, but unprovoked systematic slander of every single
person in the business becomes real old, real soon...

Timon

Freedom of speech is supposed to protect my rights to post on this board. Freedom of speech is supposed to allow me to voice my opinion in chatrooms which are open to the public.

There should be room for ALL opinions.

nite-nite
confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

If I were CCBill or any legitimate internet business, I wouldn't want a bitch representing my company.
----------------------------------
is this why you dont post as Amy??
JR

i think confucy is a postal worker.
**********************************

I think cuntfucy missed out on the e-goldrush and has become
so bitter that she committed her whole life to slandering
the ones who did cash in on the goldrush...

Timon

As far as KK goes. She is a bitch. She wants to be the number one bitch. If I were CCBill or any legitimate internet business, I wouldn't want a bitch representing my company. KK dislikes me because I like Luke Ford. She is a very close-minded and pushy bitch, and I don't give a damn what she has to say because I think she is 75% bullshit.

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

Pull your head out of your ass and admit
that you love to be abused by me, you big hunk of burning testosterone!!!

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

wtf is pimpystick ??
Slavdogg

hahahahaha...... i think she means Pimp Sticky a webmaster who used post nonsense on Netpond before Alien took over that job.
mutt

I have no buttons! Didn't you know
that ANONS are buttonless?????

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

i think confucy is a postal worker.
JR

lol@slavdogg

Confucy definitely is NOT one to get along well with authority figures. THat means she's a rebel. She likes to read about porn stars cuz she was a regular Luke Ford groupie. Do you watch alot of porn Confucy?

Why do you only pick on adult webmasters? What about all the really sleazy scumbags who Luke is friends with?

mutt

Who do you look like COnfucy?
********************************

Probably Madeline Albright with dark hair
and slanted eyes ;-))
Timon

Confucy PMS'ing bad. But she's funny when she's pissed off! :)

Imagine all that pent up frustration unleashed in bed. Who do you look like COnfucy? Asia Carerra? Kristy Yamaguchi? Mr Miyagi from the Karate Kid?


mutt

wtf is pimpystick ??
Slavdogg

>>> FOR THE RECORD, I AM A FEMALE. I work on the internet. I am a webmaster. I am very successful, and I do it without your rip-off banner programs.

mutt, i think she just answered your poll and it makes her one of these
""I work for myself and will NEVER work for others! ""

:)


Slavdogg

meni? all meni does is talk about himself, don't think he's dishonest.
Brad rarely posts here. Ok I see your point. It's Serge!


GO AWAY SERGE!!!

but Serge owns this board Confucy. How can we kick him out?

i will be awaiting further instructions.

Do you want your own board? Is that what this is all about? Maybe Mike will give you a board. The Content Board? You can have that. Then you can invite all the honest webmasters you like, even Lukey can come visit you.


mutt

Amy, we'd love to kick Serge out but
he owns the damn board....

Sucks doesn't it?? :-((

Timon

In fact, these boards are jammed pack full of losers like Evan, Serge, Brad Shaw, Meni, pimpystick (who cares how you came up with this teenager name), mike AI (who should know better), and all the dumbshit radio announcers who are so totally lame that I am embarrassed every time I hear their voices. If I couldn't do a better job than Headshit, Dravykstein, Sharkskin, SEGooey, and the worst of them all JoeEupchuck and that whiny irritating (nails-on-the-chalkboard) Holly, I would hang myself at sunrise from the highest point in Las Vegas!

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

I would prefer being able to get up in the morning and look at myself in the mirror and know I didn't cut corners and rip off customers.
---------------------------------
but wouldnt it be better to wake up in the morning and see a person that is not dependant on a mixture of valume, ridylin, prozac, lithium and shock therapy?
JR

mutt, you start by kicking out the people like Meni, Brad Shaw, Serge, and the above-mentioned scum, and you start acting like ADULTS in the ADULT WORLD!

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

So piss ants, if you are going to accuse me of attacking people, reread my comments and especially check out what the above-named individuals have been posting.

FOR THE RECORD, I AM A FEMALE. I work on the internet. I am a webmaster. I am very successful, and I do it without your rip-off banner programs. Jesus, Mary, and Luke Ford! I make money the old-fashioned way. I earn it all by myself! I don't depend upon strangers who don't give a shit about anything but money. Money is great, but I would prefer being able to get up in the morning and look at myself in the mirror and know I didn't cut corners and rip off customers.

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

Amy....er....Confucy, who are these people who you think are ruining the board? It's pretty much the same group of posters who've always been here. HAHAHHAHHAHH....you want Serge and Mike to leave their own board!


mutt

>> not only that, but you still skipped ip .106 amy.


JR, ironically Timon's IP ends with .106.

i'm not saying conpusy is Timon.
but conpusy sure could use his cumbath :)))


Slavdogg

LOLOLOLOL.......you are nuts. That's the whole point of the stupid boards you horny little Asian, to give opinions whether anybody wants em or not.

you are just putting us all on aren't you? You like the attention and you know the more moronic you act the more attention you will get.
mutt

JustReading, mutt, nobody asked for the opinions of either of you, yet you felt compelled to comment on my statements.
********************************

And we sure as hell asked for your opinion...

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Timon

Well I'm with confucy aka Amy, I will go away and not come back
here until Serge stops posting...

Timon

JustReading, mutt, nobody asked for the opinions of either of you, yet you felt compelled to comment on my statements. I'm not leaving, so get used to my presence.
confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

Look at Confucy's IP number, the last number, change. Does that mean she's logging off and on the Net or she's on a network and she's bouncing from computer to computer?


mutt

mutt, come on! This board can be fun and still be of some value. Stop endorcing the assholes who have taken over. Are they paying you?
confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

JustReading, we already know that 98% of the males are idiots
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confucy, interesting how your main problem is "everyone else"
JR

JustReading, we already know that 98% of the males are idiots.
confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

Confucy since you are something of a board connoiseur, in your opinion, which are the worst adult webmaster boards?


mutt

To whom have you revealed your true identity Confucy? Lois Lane? Perry White?

Do you only date Asian men or do the rest of us have a shot with you?


mutt

Timon, If I want to read garbage, there are thousands of chatrooms and boards I can visit. I'm here and Netpond because there are a few people I enjoy and a few who actually post something which is helpful to webmasters.


confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

Hmmmm... I went to Netpond but
it's only wannabies there....

Where do I go now? :-(

Timon

You, Just Reading, are too serious for your own good.
---------------------------------
you are too useless to talk to. you hide and then constantly initiate endless barrages of slander, personal attacks, and baseless claims. if you had anything useful to say, you could do it without being defensive and hostile. you would also find people more willing to listen, rather than attack you.

you are a fucking dimwit who just got busted as well.

not only that, but you still skipped ip .106 amy.

JR

You, Just Reading, have set up a full-time residence at Netpond and now at Oprano. You write because you have no life. You write because you don't have what it takes to become a writer for Wired or CNN...or maybe it's because you are just too damn lazy. Whatever the reason, you choose to plaster your shit all over Oprano.

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

Hmmmm... I went to Ynot but's it
only newbies there....

Going to Netpond instead...

Timon

You, Just Reading, are too serious for your own good.
confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

You have no rights to my privacy.
---------------------------------
Amy, what right do you have to continually insult people, slander people and attack people? you are a fucking idiot, that is why you hide. if you did not hide, people would tear you apart.

JR

Amy, you are right, I am going back Ynot right now and
I will not come back here until Serge stops posting...

Thanks for setting me straight...

Timon

Confucy,

please email me your name and address for fedex, and I will send you out a glass toy sample tomorow. mabey you can then give us your opinion of it online after you recieve it. No cost to you at all:)

thanks

sextoyking

Don't bother to call me an ANON. The people who need to know who I am have been told. You have no rights to my privacy. You, like Serge, cannot be trusted. I would never do business with either of you...NEVER!

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!) Home of the Master

speak english please

what is a Flash Git and who is Wazza?

gotta be some British thing
mutt

confused amy, you need to make at least one more post because you skipped ip ending .106
JR

My friends and many webmasters I have met no longer come here because Serge was taking up half the space with his nonsensical comments.
-------------------------------
would your "friends and many webmasters" be Amy?

JR

Meni
..."Consider Carly Simon's You're So Vain, written about the alleged cheatin' and lyin' of Warren Beatty. Or was it Mick Jagger? To this day, each man probably thinks that song was written about him. How ironic..."

It was about James Taylor! ..in comparison a Flash Git of no import ...certainly not in Wazza's league.:-)))


Nickdark

JR, Timon, Slavvdog Serge is absolutely nothing without followers. You are all followers. So follow your buddy and stop belly-aching and sticking up for a scumbag.

My friends and many webmasters I have met no longer come here because Serge was taking up half the space with his nonsensical comments.
confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

Amy
Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:22:42 IP: 168.143.112.104 -

confucy
Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:14:09 IP: 168.143.112.105
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this looks kinda "Ibillish"
JR

hmm,

Amy
Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:22:42 IP: 168.143.112.104 -


confucy
Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:14:09 IP: 168.143.112.105


Slavdogg

Todd, why waste a perfectly good product like that.

on a second thought, yeah yeah send her one.
conpusy email todd your address.


Slavdogg

He tries to steal Netpond users because he wants to make his ridiculous board a hot item.

-------------------------------

i am beginning to suspect that you are one of those mixed up, man hating dykes that thinks that Cosmo actully dictates to people what beauty is... rather than the market.

how can you steal Netpond users? people go where they want to go and stay where they want to stay.

they will end up where they find value. be it, entertainment by watching dipshits like you attack the humanity in a delusional and descraceful rant... or in finding a place where they can avoid people like you who represent nothing more than a tragic waste of pixels.

JR

He offers nothing. He cares about nobody. He brings hate and discontent wherever he goes.
-------------------------

HAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!

as opposed to all the fucking sunshine your spread around????
*********************************

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Timon

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By the way, our video is shot by an Emmy award winning producer/director and our photos are done by award winning well known photographers so you know the quality is much better than anything else!

So don't forget to go ahead and order your super high quality and low priced custom/exclusive content from us and visit us at http://www.amylinks.com/content to take advantage of the huge huge discounts on our general license sets!!

Amy :)
Amy's WetSpots Asian Content
http://www.amylinks.com/content

Amy Best Asian Content

How exactly does one "bring down the Internet"?

Sounds like an amusing activity for a
rainy Sunday afternoon...

Timon

He offers nothing. He cares about nobody. He brings hate and discontent wherever he goes.
-------------------------

HAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!

as opposed to all the fucking sunshine your spread around????
JR

Slav,

should I send one of those off to confucy?? I will include some lube also:)
sextoyking

Serge is a drone. He offers nothing. He cares about nobody. He brings hate and discontent wherever he goes. He tries to steal Netpond users because he wants to make his ridiculous board a hot item.
confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

you are bringing down the internet.
-----------------------------------
many people will not be pleased to know you guys "brought down the internet"

whatever you are doing, please stop it immediately!

JR

That is not confucy, mutt. And confucy is not Amy. Serge, stop playing with confucy's name. She likes KimmyKim.

Confucy said to tell PK that Denzel over-acted and he will not be taking home the Oscar. Russell Crowe will be the winner.
confucy's sage

Slavdogg, Serge, my little Russian rejects, can add nothing but dishonesty, backstabbing, and bullshit to whatever spot you choose to call home, you are bringing down the internet.

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

confucy, there is nothing wrong with what brad is doing.

as a matter of fact i think you really need one of these
http://www.naughtyglass.com/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=43




Slavdogg

Mutt, stop playing with your middle finger and tell us why you aren't blasting your friend, Brad Shaw?

Is it because MikeAI gives you a paycheck for keeping your mouth shut?
confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

KimmyKimeister LOL

hey Confucy you always seem to go after KimmyKim. Why are you so jealous of her? Did she snub you or something? You want Brad?

mutt

KimmyKim & CCBILL, clean up your act! KimmyKimeister, all you can say is "I'm not going to make excuses!" You are pathetic.
My oh my! Look at you!
You cruise the boards with your CCBILL banner, and when confronted with the facts that your company supports underage websites and bestiality websites, you change the conversation to basketball.

My dear, you aren't going to get away with those kinds of loser tactics. Either tell the truth about CCBILL or keep your mouth shut about them. It is time all of us started to clean up the porn business. Let the bestiality morons get their own merchant accounts instead of hiding behind billing companies who don't give a damn about underaged girls or gross porn with pigs and chickens.

confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

you're not Amy Confucy? That sucks, why would anybody be so mean to call you Amy? Well I'm glad you're not that Amy because I heard she is an idiot with a stinky pussy.


mutt

how was the beach the other day Confucy and did you ever find out who the fuck is Omar?

i always wonder how all these people who have such insider knowledge about what goes on inside the billing companies get their info like this company lost another merchant account, that one is having serious chargeback problems.

Seems for this kind of information to get out there have to be people with very loose lips working for these companies. And then there's also spreading disinformation about rival companies knowing webmasters will pass it along the grapevine as the truth.

And then you have the billing companies not saying a word about any of the rumors which just adds credence to the rumors.

who cares........we've got confucy here to take care of all everybody's problems. Nothing to worry about, Confucy's on the case.

PK needs a home theater, how much time can u spend in a car, for the price of a nice car you can have the ultimate home movie theater. To me it's a no brainer but then again i'm not a gearhead.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... zzzzzzzzz... zzzzzzzzz..
mutt

http://vippics.com/ia/pics/thumbs.html

Only ones I can find at the moment.

voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)
---------------------------------

Didn't realize it was the Miami IA?!?!

I actually thought it was one of the Vegas shows.

Look at the lower right corner of the picture on the wall above your head...I thought I was still there.

http://vippics.com/voodoopics/pics/naughty-voodoo.jpg

;o)

J$tyle$ Got Cloud9content on YOUR site yet?

I am here and I suffer from PMS, I'll be back!
confucy (My name is NOT Amy, no, no, no!)

Feds will shut CCBill by May. Heed the warning.
Deep Moat

You mileage may very, but this is my opinion

Christopher
Christopher Processor Review
Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:59:59 - IP: 209.114.223.139 - Post # 58818

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Christopher -

Thanks for sharing your "opinion" with us....

Can you post the URL to your paysites so we can check them out?

Timon

Woah Watch tell us how you really feel. go look at shaw internet sites.. he is dating kimmy and he is using epoch. Must suck being rejected more often than a black man at dennys. While you u are there check out the cross billing shaw is doing. Where is Fantasyman to blow this hypocrisy wide open? Where is confucy? Where is Mike AI, Vick, Mutt, and the rest of the oprano wack pack to condemn shaw for his “dubious billing practices”
Ycufnoc

Christopher
Christopher Processor Review
Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:59:59 - IP: 209.114.223.139 - Post # 58818
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could this post be any more transparent?

This post was made my someone at ccbill because the only one that has ever touted ccbill as being decent has been a sales person for ccbill. I would go out on a limb and think it was kimmie kim. She is the only sales person I have ever seen on the boards.

The way she plugs ccbill then knocks mike “big mouth self hating jew from the bayou” ai and knocks jetties it is so self-apparent and self-serving. I guess she is still incensed about being fired by ken.



what time is it?

Went to see Hart's War and John Q today. Both are worth seeing. Denzel better get the best actor Oscar.

JohnQ stirred some long-hidden feelings in my 17 year old son. Boy did we have good long mother/son talk/cry/hug session afterward.
PK

Whats up with the board?

Well, I have a meeting
in the a.m. so Im off
to bed.
Good Night!
voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

SykkBoy: What happens when they start making remakes of the Russ Meyer Classics? If they fuck it up as bad as Rollerball then does that mean Jennifer
Lopez in the Tura Satana role in "Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill"?

You have to admire Meyer. (funner to say than you think) He never sold out to the corporate vultures and created a style that is often imitated but never
duplicated.
===================================

NO JLO!!! ;)))

yeah Russ is very smart. By not giving in or selling out he's created a huge demand for his movies which can be very hard to find...so when he finally releases this collector's edition, he can charge more and people will pay it...

there'll probably not be any remakes until after he's dead......
SykkBoy

http://vippics.com/ia/pics/thumbs.html

Only ones I can find at the moment.

voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

J$tyle$

haha, you should know! :-))
I do happen to have more.
voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

http://vippics.com/voodoopics/pics/naughty-voodoo.jpg
---------------------------------

voodooman -

That booth looks mighty familiar, and so do the chicks...got any more from that "era"?

:o)


J$tyle$ Got Cloud9content on YOUR site yet?

From ESPN News.
"Rafael Palmeiro could become the new face of Viagra".

Poor guys only 37.


voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

SykkBoy: What happens when they start making remakes of the Russ Meyer Classics? If they fuck it up as bad as Rollerball then does that mean Jennifer Lopez in the Tura Satana role in "Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill"?

You have to admire Meyer. (funner to say than you think) He never sold out to the corporate vultures and created a style that is often imitated but never duplicated.

Far-L Homegrown salutes the legend that is Russ Meyer

I got your mom's attention

Meni (The Golden Tongue) my boss is hotter than yours... ha ha

Meni thinks since he can get girls in porn attention that he is something ???

I don't get anyone in the biz, fuckface

I don't pick up girls using Jenna's name, I pick them up using MINE

Using the biz to get laid?
yeah the old photographers do it,
and the slimey pay site owners

irc, pornstar chat room I met like, Zoe, thats it.
Thats where I met Craig who hired me to do xxx movied reviews, but his mag folded, but I had the movies coming in so i started pornnewsdaily.com

OK you know everything about me
and you are?
exactly
fuck off, you can suck me


Meni (The Golden Tongue) my boss is hotter than yours... ha ha

My Opinion on Processors

1. Ibill Great Processor for a long time, Paid on time always. Has had recent tech problems for several months now they need to put up donation box to stop 4th month of fines. I feel DMR days in the air
Damm shame, stability was nice

2. MSBill had huge increase in transactions after posting stopped a few months back. Lost merchant accounts. down to 1 left. I give them 60 days. I have moved all my business

3. Epoch Has done better lately. Paid most people, but terrible past history. I still could not bring myself to send traffic now.

4. Jettis. In for a new name change shortly AGAIN. Lets see they were Jetbill, Jetcharge,Paysystems, and a couple of others. Damm they win the name game and beat Epoch for loosing/changing merchant accounts.
No processor can take RJB business and then ARS business and be new to the game with so few other little sites to pull the CB ratio back down. Big players run high CB ratios plain and simple. They need the small guys to pull that ratio back in line. I give them 4 months before the CB just destroy them. Difference this time is they have a lot more business hard to replace and will be all over Visa radars

5. CCbill Well if you ask Mike AI they are the worst on the planet.
But who listens to him anyway he bitches about everything. Must have been some lack of attention when he was a kid. They do have tight scrub, not as bad as Ibill. Never have changed their name like Ibill, I have never heard of a problem with them ever paying. Seems like second largest processor of overall sites that is good for diversified portfolio.

6. Netbilling Most people seem to be happy, I use them. With the new Mastercard rules of 1% and Visa going nuts on new rules also I will probably have to close down the account. $100 fines will mean 6 figure fines per month.

Overall Review.
Netbilling for Own Account.
CCbill for 3rd Party.

You mileage may very, but this is my opinion

Christopher
Christopher Processor Review

Loser: The issue is not whether you can get their attention but whether or not you can keep it...

Far-L Homegrown: 20 years of Updates and hairy palmed mooks

Kirk Romesburg

I showed you mine,
now show me yours.
hahaha Who am I kidding?
voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

Voodooman

That is not anon?

If you are so tough. Why not post with your real name?

Meni has been trolling the porn star irc forever. Jenna has used him more than her anal lube and Meni is cheaper! Meni thinks since he can get girls in porn attention that he is something. Meni that is easy. Why do you think there are so many suitcase pimps? You think that is difficult?
loser

Its amazing that these
fuckin anons dont have
the balls to express
their feelings along
with their identity.
Its one thing to hide
behind your monitor
and talk shit, and
never go to a show
or where people they
talk about are going
to be, but then they
hide behind an anon
identity to boot.
Fucking Losers.
voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

Stalker
she emailed me cuz i run
pornnewsdaily.com
then I said i'll put a banner up if you do question of the day
and it progressed from there.
and how about I knock your block off fagget
come out and say who you are
Meni (The Golden Tongue) my boss is hotter than yours... ha ha

Meni,

They are just some Sorority
girls that were having
a dance at the hotel.
I didnt ask them to
take pics with me, they
asked, not to mention
if I wanted to come to
their dance. lol I went
to the Players Ball
instead, what a mistake.

voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

Meni,

I bet they still crack up about that pic. Cause here they got a stalker to come work for them cheap.

You are such a player Meni. How do you do it? Tell them you work for Jenna?

Im just glad to see that Jenna got her teeth done like a combo between Mr. Ed and Nancy Kerrigan.

Is it true that Jenna won't work too close to any open flame? Bitch has had more work that Michael Jackson.

I would take Taylor Hayes any day over Jenna. Do you think if I sat in porn star chat rooms and emailed them that maybe she would hire me?
Stalker

I got a pic
http://www.jennalovesmeni.com/jjphone.jpg
story behind the pic?
When I first started talking to JJ on email, I would joke, call me when your boyfriend is in the shower and she would say I'll call when he's sleeping.
So they did this pic for me
hee hee

Meni (The Golden Tongue) my boss is hotter than yours... ha ha

voodoo
i meant who are they
i see your badge first pics
so you are fan boy
I never take pics with anyone who doesn't want a copy
so I don't "can I get a pic with you?"
they ask me
Meni (The Golden Tongue) my boss is hotter than yours... ha ha

Hey Mutt !

No, no one was ever charged with anything, even though there was conflicting evidence that it ended up being ruled a suicide...

I have no idea who the person at Matt's Models is... I don't know who the first person that shot with Nikki, but Hal Guthu was the only agent that she worked with... I did not work with Nikki until January of 1998...


photo

I would guess so. He had been talking about these doors being made for some time. I was just blown away when I saw them. The pic doesn't really show the detail and depth of them.

Cleo (vaginatarian)

Ok fair enough ;-)

Timon

Cleo,

I assume they are going to
replace it then?


Timon,

I was married at the time.

voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)

oh now i know who u are talking about. This was the old nude photographer who died in a fire in a building he owned. Sounded like foul play to me. Did they ever find out if it was arson or whatever?

I think the guy who runs Matt's Models takes credit for discovering Nikki Nova.
mutt

Was it herpes?

Timon

voodooman
I do have to say that is about the nicest front door that I have evey knocked on. He ordered them a long time ago and they just got put in, but they cracked the mirror on one of them putting then in.

Cleo (vaginatarian)

Cleo,

Nice Door.
:-)
voodooman (Nobody is BEEFIER than me!)