Melissa, you love changing the subject, dont you ?
the fact is your #s are so off the fuckin wall its not even funny. fuck i gotta get some walls liie that. I'll take TWO.
Fuck that i'll take four hahaha
Melissa, please stick to firefighters, they're more accuare and have better aim than your stats :)
Serge, I'm very disappointed in you. Why do you want FM to buy Oprano for a measly 3 million, when you could LEASE it to him for so much more. ;D
ThrobX
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ThrobX,
he can't lease it.
it's "all or none" kind of a deal.
I got some questiones FM wanna ask me yesterday and I am quite disapointed....
seems like my answers will take only 30 seconds to answer and the rest will be HIM getting grilled.
look:
I'm ready to discuss unovans, shick, gillette, turning off mk stats,
-GUILTY! (1.2 seconds to say that)
Serge single handedly taking down Moldova with dialers,
-OH SURE! FTC thinks otherwise (3.7 seconds to say that)
just to name a few - so don't worry Babe - there will be fireworks and I won't let up and I doubt Serge will either!!!
-I won't stop 'till you hang up a phone on me!
Don't tell folks that it was ME who hanged up, and finish with commercial,
I WON'T BACK UP,
I HAVE PRE-PAID MY LEGAL BILLS
and rather go to court to defend libel allegations than back up!
Fireworks???? BULLSHIT! think more like a Volcano Eruption,
2 years dormant;-)
try to stop THAT!!
"I Fucked with FM and Survived"
is the ONLY inscription I want on my Head Stone!
As Ali said, I'm beatiful, the people love me and I'll kick anyone's ass who will bring it on!!
--HA-Ha-HA! Look at him NOW, he was beaten by Parkinson, NOBODY is safe anymore!
But in the final analysis, I'm still going strong with affiliate programs and Serge is still putting Preparation H on his Ass because of his stock market expertise.
---Strong? Really!?
Serge's programs and talking about them is as much exciting as talking with Clinton about blue dress today-
OLD NEWS!
I did my homework and I'll talk TODAY and TOMORROW!
Moldova my ass!
We'll talk about money and people disappearing in
"Bermuda Triangle"!
My point is - $$$$ from the gay market are a lot less illegal and less dangerous then submarines and cocaine.
I'd be happy to bring you back some shells from the beach. No fires this trip just me my daughter and the beach for the weekend, we are leaving in about an hour and 1/2. (opps forgot to do laundry last night) MelissaDNumbers crunching with the billinguru
Sat, 18 Aug - 06:01:05 209.214.184.136 Post #: 12090
Quote:
Gay sites were the original "niche" sites. Now almost every program has at least one gay site. So the consumer has many more choices. Why stay a member of the same site for 6 months when you can join a new site each month, or when you can get a 5 or 7 day trial, enjoy the site, and cancel?
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For large programs this is true, but most "gay" surfers didn't stop there, it a lifestyle which makes it different. The mentality is different for the gay market look at the demographics,
1. Average gay man makes quite a bit more then the average straight man or wowman, a year, ususally doesn't have any childern to support.
2. The lifestyle is tons more open (porn is a very common and excepted) and they don't just join one site, they have several sites, one reason the gay owned and operated sites, work really hard to produce unique content and provide more services. Chargebacks and refunds.
3. The larger programs that all have gay sites, are taking advantage of the known gay traffic they have mixed with their straight traffic. (prob. why they are still around today - smart)
Gay has never been a niche - its always been a separate market, but unfortunately their has been a separatist feeling between the straight webmasters and the gay ones, this is changing thank goodness.
I can't tell you how many times I hear - "I can't look at that content I'm not gay." or "I'm not gay, I can't promote a gay site" Its not about being gay or straight, its about $$$. My ususal comment to that is "THIS IS A BUSINESS NOT A LIFESTYLE TREAT IT AS SUCH."
Melissa, the site your numbers were obviously pulled from (Badpuppy) runs a partnership proggy paying 25%-45% per member. You should have mentioned that in your article plus the fact that your numbers were just from ONE site and that doesn't reflect the whole gay market (even though I WISH it did)...
FYI I started in the gay market in 1996, my oldest gay paysite was established at the beginning of 1997 and no, you won't impress me with seven digit numbers either... Over and out.
Petr
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In this case you are wrong, my numbers came from several sources, both the gay markets and others.
Yes badpuppy does pay these numbers if you don't talk to them but they are rare, 75% of the gay programs out there pay 50% to 60%.
Bottom line is this: numbers came from a neutral third party.
Either the market is due for a correction in the pricing model itself or there might not be much market left before long.
Couple that with all the unqualified traffic that most people send to tours and you've got a recipe for the shittiest conversions and retention ever seen in this industry.
KK
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KK,
if you ever part with CCBill,
I'd like to hear from you first.
Sat, 18 Aug - 05:28:27 209.214.184.136 Post #: 12074
FYI I started in the gay market in 1996, my oldest gay paysite was established at the beginning of 1997 and no, you won't impress me with seven digit numbers either... Over and out.
Petr
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PetrA,
you are good with dates and I only have one question.
As I recall,
you left adult life and went with programming and mainstream.
when did you jump back into the Rat's Race?
;-))
Serge
Sat, 18 Aug - 05:24:32 12.89.182.90 Post #: 12073
Danielle, as soon as I posted,
I knew you gonna get me for that missing "L"
;-))
sorry!
as for head vs tongue,
I won't argue, I only live there
;-))
I'm glad to see a concept that was born on GFY spread across the industry like wildfire.
Lensman
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Lensman,
I was making the list of the boards which still conduct business of webmastering instead of coffee flavoring and
who will be around doing exactly the same thing 12 months from now and they are in no particular order:
1) GFY
2) YNOT
3) OPRANO
4) Voltar's Newbs
5) NETPOND
6) Tom's Newbs
the rest of the boards are more like a "hobby" boards.
Glad you stopped by,
I wish I could post on GFY,
but posting on the boards
with pre-registering
is against my principles.
Sat, 18 Aug - 03:49:20 216.104.228.149 Post #: 12058
The comments on the gay market just go to show one thing: Overexposure can take any "niche" and turn it mainstream.
Gay sites were the original "niche" sites. Now almost every program has at least one gay site. So the consumer has many more choices. Why stay a member of the same site for 6 months when you can join a new site each month, or when you can get a 5 or 7 day trial, enjoy the site, and cancel?
i suspect the total money in the market is the same, just spread over hundreds more players.
Sat, 18 Aug - 03:09:48 208.176.165.122 Post #: 12056
Melissa, the site your numbers were obviously pulled from (Badpuppy) runs a partnership proggy paying 25%-45% per member. You should have mentioned that in your article plus the fact that your numbers were just from ONE site and that doesn't reflect the whole gay market (even though I WISH it did)...
FYI I started in the gay market in 1996, my oldest gay paysite was established at the beginning of 1997 and no, you won't impress me with seven digit numbers either... Over and out.
Petr
Sat, 18 Aug - 02:54:39 213.210.135.104 Post #: 12055
Grimm that is a funny line... I will have to tell him that.
I still have all my teeth fortunately.... I will post the photos of my face when I get back.
However I think my days of a model are over with... :-)
Mike AI
Sat, 18 Aug - 01:54:07 168.191.209.26 Post #: 12054
I don't see a problem with Petr's numbers and given the time he's been in the business -- or the fact that he doesn't run any wm proggies I know of any more, he's got no reason to mislead.
Many times a site or two will defy the market-- this is one reason they become big -- but they don't signify the market overall -- if they did, you'd never have a Kara's or the like go out in front of the rest.
Conversions and retention are down overall lately, across the board. That's not just a number I see, it's people I don't do business with telling me the same.
Either the market is due for a correction in the pricing model itself or there might not be much market left before long.
Couple that with all the unqualified traffic that most people send to tours and you've got a recipe for the shittiest conversions and retention ever seen in this industry.
KK
Sat, 18 Aug - 01:24:01 63.225.213.144 Post #: 12053
from Russian Slang dictionary:
bzdenok (masc. noun)
++ little old man who farts frequently /bzdYO nok/, archaic, only older generations know this one
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Serge, i need some help here... is this really a real word?
Sat, 18 Aug - 00:21:36 172.169.163.108 Post #: 12050
Mike, Kuban is a local boy. Bring back some teeth and we'll sell them on ebay. ;)
Ulfie
Sat, 18 Aug - 00:06:36 216.151.70.51 Post #: 12049
i agree with Petr, i sell enough gay traffic to see the trends and there is not all that much difference between gay and straight sites anymore. Gay sites do convert about 30% better for me but retantions seem to have fallen off.
Maybe two, three years ago but NOT anymore...
Petr A.
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Gee Petr, those stats were pulled from the oldest and largest gay sites around, maybe your business is different but the core gay market (the ones that have been doing business since 1995 and doing $M a month) showed me thier numbers and that is what they say.
MikeAI - OW! 12 stitches! That's a nice sized bo-bo! Glad you made it thru ok - who would have thought having fun could be so dangerous! Take care, man!
I'm so honored Billy but I just wish that when I grow up I can be as much of an asshole as youuuuuuu :)
RRRED Even Billy makes money in his sleep zzzzzzzz
Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:03:23 - IP: 24.176.66.99 - Post # 12034
this is impossible, the only way to make a bigger asshole is to cclone billy:)
not to offecnd, rrred, you are a fine asshole, just not as big as billy:) grimmFSN
Fri, 17 Aug - 23:24:03 24.14.133.26 Post #: 12043
Mike... I thought the only thing dangerous about cuban was his mouth!
Day 2 Jordan Camp in the books... I spent the last hour in a Dr.s office getting 12 stiches below my eye...
Got an elbow from Mark Cuban... His ass is going down if we play him. That or I could get Sig to sue him! Brad and Pornoman wanted to jump him in the hallway...hahaha
The important part is we won the game! 2-0!!
Mike AI
Fri, 17 Aug - 23:03:58 158.252.200.243 Post #: 12041
rob - next time i am in melbourne lets catch up
cheers
General
Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:03:40 - IP: 61.9.142.144 - Post # 11750
General
that'd be cool, maybe too {{{COOL}}} for a BANANA BENDER :-))
why dont we heat it up and do it in
HAWAII MARCH 2002...i'm pretty sure it'll be something people will talk about for years :-))
Fri, 17 Aug - 20:18:01 64.56.101.110 Post #: 12037
"If I can't convince FM to buy Oprano for 3 million dollars just to shut me up, I won't have any choice but to hang myself."
Serge, I'm very disappointed in you. Why do you want FM to buy Oprano for a measly 3 million, when you could LEASE it to him for so much more. ;D
ThrobX Adult Content News & Adult Income News
Fri, 17 Aug - 19:59:13 63.52.226.169 Post #: 12036
There's an asshole list? I'm hoping that one of these days I make it there myself. :-))
Lord Baltimore
Fri, 17 Aug - 19:04:51 63.208.184.229 Post #: 12035
I'm not too sure how much ogre and troll sites are searched for but you can always try our new fetish site. There's some weird enough stuff in there to convert pretty well :)
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:56:17 216.77.234.57 Post #: 12033
Since a recent post on Webfather's MB I've been wondering why there is no ogre/troll niche sites? Does anyone know why that is? :-))
Lord Baltimore
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:48:09 63.208.184.229 Post #: 12032
Ok your other account is gone :) And go ahead and use the fpa's we got but just don't hotlink them k? :) I'm glad we got this all worked out.... now go build like a mofo!!! RRREDJoin4free
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:45:50 24.176.66.99 Post #: 12031
RRRed, if you're talking about the other account then please delete it too.
Lord Baltimore
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:41:05 63.208.184.229 Post #: 12030
Apparently my technical issues are resolved. Thanks guys.
RRRed, I'm going to use the full page ad you recommended. So I won't be using the frames.
The frames were an old idea I'm trying to retire.
Lord Baltimore
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:40:06 63.208.184.229 Post #: 12029
It's fixed!!! I see hits! *Whew now would you like me to get rid of that other account for you? RRREDJoin4free
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:36:16 24.176.66.99 Post #: 12028
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh OK!!! You are using the wrong account. I see you have two here. The username you gave me this morning was incorrect. Now check your links and you'll see what the problem is. I just shut your referrer tracking off on the OTHER account. Now do your thing and tell me if that helped.... RRREDJoin4free
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:30:20 24.176.66.99 Post #: 12027
Lord Baltimore.... we're looking at your page right now... What's the deal with the frames? When we right click the page and see the source, your asian join4free link is there... When we click view and then source in the taskbar, there's nothing. RRREDJoin4free
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:25:57 24.176.66.99 Post #: 12026
Thanks, Meni - heck, I get enough spams to wallpaper my house with them if I decided to go down that decorating road (either that or my Yahoo and Webvan stock certificates.....), just most of them are harder to track down and I'm lazy ;) It was just nice that I could report it to someone :)
Peaches
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:23:38 63.147.224.5 Post #: 12025
/me thinks that maybe Edd just hasn't met the right man yet....lol
Serge, drastic measures must be taken with spammers :) I suppose he could just shoot the webmaster in the kneecaps and I'd be OK with that too ;)
Peaches
Fri, 17 Aug - 18:11:20 63.147.224.5 Post #: 12017
Ok.. I just gotta say this...
0:650 and somebody's already griping??
How many gazillion times have I heard people say you have to send a larger amount of traffic than 650 hits before you judge a program?
What would 99.99% of the sponsers say to someone who said their program sucked after 650 hits??
Fri, 17 Aug - 17:27:23 24.218.204.233 Post #: 12004
Well you know what they about girls with alot of icq #'s... dont ya?
NurseHeadless
Fri, 17 Aug - 16:58:59 208.48.239.165 Post #: 12003
Serge - again, sorry, but no. I'm not into guys - nor will I ever be. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool heterosexual with a thing for raven-haired lasses who sometimes wear glasses... no lads allowed. But I'm flattered that you find me so desireable... i think.
Edd (Sneaky Ninja Webmaster)un femme lunette, le femme coquette!
Fri, 17 Aug - 16:58:21 63.100.104.10 Post #: 12002
Maybe Mike's cleaning lady likes to surf ;)
KK
Fri, 17 Aug - 16:57:41 64.38.194.18 Post #: 12001
Serge, I use a laptop all the time, so only 1 icq # for me. I think MikeAI has about 20 different ICQ's. Brad ShawDeep Oral Girls
Fri, 17 Aug - 16:57:37 172.155.45.149 Post #: 12000