What the hell is Wicked Pictures Thinking?

[gonzo]

MONTREAL — Manwin has struck a deal with Wicked Pictures to manage Wicked's paysites, the companies announced Tuesday.


http://www.xbiz.com/news/128933

[Toby]

They're thinking that if Manwin is managing their paysites they'll keep the long clips off of their tubes, just like they do for Brazzers.

Essentially a great big FUCK YOU to the rest of the industry.

[MikeSouth]

im sorely disappointed in steve orenstein...what a fucking douche bag thing to do

[DannyCox]

I noticed the press release on XBiz is slightly different than the one on AVN. The AVN one actually ends with:

“Another thing that paved the way for this deal was their willingness to work with us and other studios towards controlling piracy and to work towards implementing Vobile’s MediaWise software available through APAP."

That "controlling piracy" really stood out. Of course, I don't take it as they plan to stop it...just control it so they become the biggest pirates!

[RawAlex]

Danny, you hit it. Basically, Manwin has maneuvered themselves into being one of the top tube site operators, and this software is a key in the game. Once a few more are signed on, they will likely use it to scan other websites, and use those results to sue people out of the business.

What that are doing is attempting to create a vertical market for their products. Everyone who plays on their team will be on the biggest tubes, and everyone who does not will be locked out. Other tube sites won't be able to use the content, effectively creating a nice big wall between one side and other other.

The real key will be how many studios are willing to sign up.

[gonzo]

Amusing the responses here vs the zoo....:okthumb:

[gonzo]

Danny, you hit it. Basically, Manwin has maneuvered themselves into being one of the top tube site operators, and this software is a key in the game. Once a few more are signed on, they will likely use it to scan other websites, and use those results to sue people out of the business.

What that are doing is attempting to create a vertical market for their products. Everyone who plays on their team will be on the biggest tubes, and everyone who does not will be locked out. Other tube sites won't be able to use the content, effectively creating a nice big wall between one side and other other.

The real key will be how many studios are willing to sign up.

I suspect the next press release will be how theyve teamed up with the douchebags at TopBucks to host the content summit.

[angelic]

I suspect the next press release will be how theyve teamed up with the douchebags at TopBucks to host the content summit.

So what Im hearing is, THE company that introduced the porn tube.. AEBN.. is bitching about the fact that they lost..

I dont know anything about what Top Bucks or anyone else did, but supporting AEBN is the same fucking thing as supporting any other tube. ABEN started the .. avalanche..

You (gonzo) as well as everyone else on this board, can bitch and whine.. everyone else will benefit.. and I wont give a fuck.. I made my money at the same time as the heroin addict and prisoner Scott did..

That said, thank you ABEN, you made me a lot of money, even if you never paid me one single cent.

[angelic]

So what Im hearing is, THE company that introduced the porn tube.. AEBN.. is bitching about the fact that they lost..

I dont know anything about what Top Bucks or anyone else did, but supporting AEBN is the same fucking thing as supporting any other tube. ABEN started the .. avalanche..

You (gonzo) as well as everyone else on this board, can bitch and whine.. everyone else will benefit.. and I wont give a fuck.. I made my money at the same time as the heroin addict and prisoner Scott did..

That said, thank you ABEN, you made me a lot of money, even if you never paid me one single cent.

In fact, thinking about it, my apologies to Scott, he was considerably more honest than any of you will ever be..

Or well, maybe you could say Im wrong.. What I meant to say, Scott, Nick @Ilynx, Dean, and many many others, made me a hell of a lot more money than any of the combined "efforts" of what remains of Oprano ever willl..

The main exception might be Danny.. even thought I never did any direct business with him..

But staying neutral always works right?

I will let you all know "who I am" in a year or two.. it makes little financial sense right now, but Im in the 7-figures.. per year..

[softball]

In fact, thinking about it, my apologies to Scott, he was considerably more honest than any of you will ever be..

Or well, maybe you could say Im wrong.. What I meant to say, Scott, Nick @Ilynx, Dean, and many many others, made me a hell of a lot more money than any of the combined "efforts" of what remains of Oprano ever willl..

The main exception might be Danny.. even thought I never did any direct business with him..

But staying neutral always works right?

I will let you all know "who I am" in a year or two.. it makes little financial sense right now, but Im in the 7-figures.. per year..

Do those 7 figures have a decimal point in front of them?

[softball]

In fact, thinking about it, my apologies to Scott, he was considerably more honest than any of you will ever be..

Or well, maybe you could say Im wrong.. What I meant to say, Scott, Nick @Ilynx, Dean, and many many others, made me a hell of a lot more money than any of the combined "efforts" of what remains of Oprano ever willl..

The main exception might be Danny.. even thought I never did any direct business with him..

But staying neutral always works right?

I will let you all know "who I am" in a year or two.. it makes little financial sense right now, but Im in the 7-figures.. per year..

Do those 7 figures have a decimal point in front of them? Oh yeah, and how is Jon doing? Still living in the exurbs in the middle of bumfuck nowhere or what? Did he buy his pied a terre in Toronto?

[angelic]

Do those 7 figures have a decimal point in front of them? Oh yeah, and how is Jon doing? Still living in the exurbs in the middle of bumfuck nowhere or what? Did he buy his pied a terre in Toronto?

No idea about Jon, barely met him.. You will have to figure that out on your own..

I lived nearby, at the southwest of the vancouver island.. close to the Urban Market..

And if you want a bit of.. something to hate me even more about.. Im one of the ones that you all dislike.. Sorry to disappoint.. But we are in the 7th.. or.. actually 8th figure region per month.. to TRULY dislike me.. and I mean on both the Adult and Mainstream ends..

I could sell out, tomorrow, and be in the $100M+ region.. and despite that, Im not the major business partner.. and I REALLY dont give a fuck what you think.. so keep me entertained.. or tell me how to block oprano.. (or tell my tech..)

After all, Im Angelic, right? Which Im sure, unless youre REALLY retarded, you figured out, by now, isnt at all the case..

Im also not American, or Canadian.. even though Ive lived in both the US and CA.. and the EU..

[gonzo]

I always love the anon state of the union addresses.
Please tell me more!:waving::waving:

[angelic]

I always love the anon state of the union addresses.
Please tell me more!:waving::waving:

I couldve bought AEBN any time of the week. Infact, I did buy a (and, sure, I realize AEBN "just" a VOD company.. but if youre no longer in the 1M+ profit per mo region, then wtf are you still doing in "mainstream"?

*I* do more than $1M+/mo in "mainstream"..

If you havent heard about a "great deal", aka GroupOn.com, by now, then just .. get a job at McD..

[softball]

not American, or Canadian.. even though Ive lived in both the US and CA.. and the EU..
Panamanian?

And if you want a bit of.. something to hate me even more about.. Im one of the ones that you all dislike
I don't dislike you. I've never even met you.

[gonzo]

I couldve bought AEBN any time of the week. Infact, I did buy a (and, sure, I realize AEBN "just" a VOD company.. but if youre no longer in the 1M+ profit per mo region, then wtf are you still doing in "mainstream"?

*I* do more than $1M+/mo in "mainstream"..

If you havent heard about a "great deal", aka GroupOn.com, by now, then just .. get a job at McD..

Please regale us with more tales of old!

[softball]

Hey Angelic, why don't you come out of the closet and just post. I am sure we would enjoy your company.

[Evil Chris]

They're thinking that if Manwin is managing their paysites they'll keep the long clips off of their tubes, just like they do for Brazzers.

Essentially a great big FUCK YOU to the rest of the industry.Manwin = Brazzers
(I'm sure you knew that)


What Wicked is thinking is this. If Manwin is managing their paysites, their paysites will actually start making money. Tubes is likely the furthest thing from their minds.

[Toby]

Tubes is likely the furthest thing from their minds.
BULLSHIT! They as much as admitted it when they referred to Vobile.

and yes, I'm well aware that Manwin = Brazzers. While you've been playing musical sales rep chairs the last few years I've been quite vocal about the topic.

[EmporerEJ]

I couldve bought AEBN any time of the week. Infact, I did buy a (and, sure, I realize AEBN "just" a VOD company.. but if youre no longer in the 1M+ profit per mo region, then wtf are you still doing in "mainstream"?

*I* do more than $1M+/mo in "mainstream"..

If you havent heard about a "great deal", aka GroupOn.com, by now, then just .. get a job at McD..

Well, there are some us trying to change the world......and, you know, advance the science?

[angelic]

Well, there are some us trying to change the world......and, you know, advance the science?

I wouldnt call you "some of us", but rather most of everyone.

The people that "succeeded" (and sure, thats up for discussion as well), but the people that are VERY well off.. aren't the ones that cared about what YOU or 'that other guy' wanted..

Might not be the best example, but its one of the best.. Zynga.. $600M+/yr.. does anyone of you REALLY think they cared what happened to the 'gaming industry'.. EA, Disney, both acquired major 'farmville'ish' companies as soon as they could.. And I've talked to a few decent sized gaming companies.. about buying them.. one of them told me they'd never sell to EA, because they require 120 hr weeks.. and immediate results..

NO ONE truly 'succeeds', without essentially being a company that just cares about profit..

And that said, why should anyone in the "Adult Industry"?..

When everyone had 65% margins, sure, throw a vegas party.. or orlando,, or miami.. we were all there.. even though I have little interest in letting you know who i am..

ITS FUCKING BUSINESS.. friends are friends.. and to most anyone that hasnt already 'succeeded..', pretty much none of you will be my 'friend'..

[EmporerEJ]

NO ONE truly 'succeeds', without essentially being a company that just cares about profit..

And that said, why should anyone in the "Adult Industry"?..

When everyone had 65% margins, sure, throw a vegas party.. or orlando,, or miami.. we were all there.. even though I have little interest in letting you know who i am..

ITS FUCKING BUSINESS.. friends are friends.. and to most anyone that hasnt already 'succeeded..', pretty much none of you will be my 'friend'..

"Well off, Succeeded," are very interesting terms. Terms that mean different things, to different people.

Describing them, the way you describe them, only pinpoints your maturity level. "Parasites," might be a better term for those that feed off others without adding any value.

If, indeed, you have any "value," whatsoever. (Which I question.)
Frankly, I just can't see why such a "successful" guy like you, would waste your time here?

Surely, you must have much more important things to do. Howz 'bout you go do 'em, and let the adults get back to the real business of the industry?

[angelic]

"Well off, Succeeded," are very interesting terms. Terms that mean different things, to different people.

Describing them, the way you describe them, only pinpoints your maturity level. "Parasites," might be a better term for those that feed off others without adding any value.

If, indeed, you have any "value," whatsoever. (Which I question.)
Frankly, I just can't see why such a "successful" guy like you, would waste your time here?

Surely, you must have much more important things to do. Howz 'bout you go do 'em, and let the adults get back to the real business of the industry?

Sure, you can always argue that "making money" doesn't mean you've succeeded..

But Im not about to be a friend of yours, or anyone else here.. so can we keep this to business only?

Call me a parasite.. it wont matter to me.. but make sure to also include most everyone else that ACTUALLY runs (or is involved with) a BIG company..

Do you really think GE, or Walmart dont 'have issues..'..? If you don't, then please spend an hour or.. 15 years to figure things out..

I've been in the adult industry since mid-1997.. and I havent made more money in 2010, by far, than I ever did before..

As for 'well off' and 'succeeded'.. I've got a $7M flat... which, still, doesnt make me any happier.. but we're not talking about happiness here.. it's business..

And I come here because I followed Serge.. (and MikeAI) from YNOT, to Netpond, to Oprano... and once a day, Im pretty bored.. so pretty much the same reason you're here.. and everyone else..

[EmporerEJ]

But Im not about to be a friend of yours, or anyone else here.. so can we keep this to business only?

Call me a parasite.. it wont matter to me.. but make sure to also include most everyone else that ACTUALLY runs (or is involved with) a BIG company..

I've been in the adult industry since mid-1997.. and I havent made more money in 2010, by far, than I ever did before..

As for 'well off' and 'succeeded'.. I've got a $7M flat... which, still, doesnt make me any happier.. but we're not talking about happiness here.. it's business..

And I come here because I followed Serge.. (and MikeAI) from YNOT, to Netpond, to Oprano... and once a day, Im pretty bored.. so pretty much the same reason you're here.. and everyone else..

I'm sure we're all very impressed with your "7M Flat" whatever.....(is that monopoly money?)

But seriously folks, No, we don't keep it "all business here." We're a group of Middle age porn dudes that like to talk about all kinds of "stuff."
(Age and wisdom will teach you; many things that affect business, don't really seem to be about business at first.")
So, forgive me if I don't get all excited to hear from a loud mouth smartass that comes in here and decides how we should do things. How about you stand in the corner, quietly, while the rest of us go about our normal discourse? Maybe GFY would be a better place for you?Lots of loud mouth SOBs there.

If you're REAL quiet, and behave yourself, we MIGHT let you talk in about 6 months or so.

And I'm singularly impressed with your long time in the adult industry. Myself? I've been in the industry since 1985. I suspect that was a very long time before you were a twinkle in your daddy's groin.

Many of the members here have been in the industry for as long, or I'll bet even longer, than me. So please, save it. We don't find it amusing.

[DannyCox]

These days, for me, success is just having a good time, making enough money to live well and retire on, and that's about it. Ten to fifteen years ago I worked my ass off to build what I started, and I was quite successful at it. Since then, I have completely downsized, moved my own office back to my home, and just take it easy doing little odds and ends that interest me. I've never "talked the talk", nor bragged about the money I have made or how successful I have been. People that knew me back when, know I did well. I'm not doing anywhere close to what I was doing 10 years ago, then again, I'm not even trying to.

I'm the first to admit I just don't have the drive or ambition to be one of the "Big Boys". As long as I have enough money to feed my travel and sailing habit, and can retire comfortably when the time comes, then I consider myself to be a great success!

[angelic]

I'm sure we're all very impressed with your "7M Flat" whatever.....(is that monopoly money?)

But seriously folks, No, we don't keep it "all business here." We're a group of Middle age porn dudes that like to talk about all kinds of "stuff."
(Age and wisdom will teach you; many things that affect business, don't really seem to be about business at first.")
So, forgive me if I don't get all excited to hear from a loud mouth smartass that comes in here and decides how we should do things. How about you stand in the corner, quietly, while the rest of us go about our normal discourse? Maybe GFY would be a better place for you?Lots of loud mouth SOBs there.

If you're REAL quiet, and behave yourself, we MIGHT let you talk in about 6 months or so.

And I'm singularly impressed with your long time in the adult industry. Myself? I've been in the industry since 1985. I suspect that was a very long time before you were a twinkle in your daddy's groin.

Many of the members here have been in the industry for as long, or I'll bet even longer, than me. So please, save it. We don't find it amusing.

I started an 'actual adult site' in 97.. and I was on BBS', which Im sure youre aware of, well before that.. might not have been 1985, but around 1990 or so..

And I'm not trying to tell anyone anything.. regardless of if I do well or not, why'd you listen to what I have to say? You didn't prior to me posting here as 'angelic....'

As you said, you're a group of has-beens, with a few exceptions.. so let me enjoy myself.. and stick to what you know worked 10 yrs ago..

[angelic]

These days, for me, success is just having a good time, making enough money to live well and retire on, and that's about it. Ten to fifteen years ago I worked my ass off to build what I started, and I was quite successful at it. Since then, I have completely downsized, moved my own office back to my home, and just take it easy doing little odds and ends that interest me. I've never "talked the talk", nor bragged about the money I have made or how successful I have been. People that knew me back when, know I did well. I'm not doing anywhere close to what I was doing 10 years ago, then again, I'm not even trying to.

I'm the first to admit I just don't have the drive or ambition to be one of the "Big Boys". As long as I have enough money to feed my travel and sailing habit, and can retire comfortably when the time comes, then I consider myself to be a great success!

And you're, without a doubt, one of the "exceptions" (from my post above)..

Can't say I have the need to 'be rich' anymore.. but for the time being, business is business.. w/o it, I dont know what I'd do half the day.. I mean, I dont eat donuts..

[softball]

I've got a $7M flat sure you do. Is it anywhere near the beach? I will drop by in my 5 billion dollar boat and we can fill the pool with Cristal and invite a few of your "A"list friends over.

[EmporerEJ]

I started an 'actual adult site' in 97.. and I was on BBS', which Im sure youre aware of, well before that.. might not have been 1985, but around 1990 or so..

And I'm not trying to tell anyone anything.. regardless of if I do well or not, why'd you listen to what I have to say? You didn't prior to me posting here as 'angelic....'

As you said, you're a group of has-beens, with a few exceptions.. so let me enjoy myself.. and stick to what you know worked 10 yrs ago..

Well, that tells us something, now doesn't it?

Yes, there was an adult business before BBS', websites, (both of which I've had since the early 90's.)

Way back in the "old days" we had video stores, (of which, I owned 4,) and before that, we had a brisk business in regular & super 8mm films. (Although, those were mostly sold "out of the trunk," as the adult industry was closer to the "illegal" side, than the legal side. It wasn't referred to as "the adult industry" then. Back then, we were just "porn dealers."

You have no idea how easy you have it.

[softball]

I made my first porn video in 1983.

[DannyCox]

That's how we got our start. I started my first BBS back in Calgary in 1988. Then had one in Nova Scotia, then hooked up with the guy running the largest Adult BBS when I moved back here to Montreal. In early 1994, we started playing around with this new WWW thing as we set up an early ISP here in Montreal and I had server space and bandwidth to play with. By 1996, we were pulling in over $30K a month from our home video sales and advertising on Carol's website. We started the actual pay site in January of 1997, and that took off far beyond my wildest expectations! It took me until March of 1997 to finally quit my Lead Engineer job at Bell Helicopters and start doing this full-time.

I really miss those early days when it was all so new and fun.

These days, I put out a lot of stuff in mainstream for travel and sailing, my hobbies. Make decent money from it actually, and it keeps me busy.

[DannyCox]

I can beat you all! I shot my very first "Porn" image way back in 1975 when I was 15 years old. I took my father's Polaroid camera and took a picture of my girlfriend sucking my cock! I even made money from it, charging guys smokes and quarters (to buy smokes) to have a look. That made me a "Professional Pornographer" 35 years ago! ;)

[gonzo]

That's how we got our start. I started my first BBS back in Calgary in 1988. Then had one in Nova Scotia, then hooked up with the guy running the largest Adult BBS when I moved back here to Montreal. In early 1994, we started playing around with this new WWW thing as we set up an early ISP here in Montreal and I had server space and bandwidth to play with. By 1996, we were pulling in over $30K a month from our home video sales and advertising on Carol's website. We started the actual pay site in January of 1997, and that took off far beyond my wildest expectations! It took me until March of 1997 to finally quit my Lead Engineer job at Bell Helicopters and start doing this full-time.

I really miss those early days when it was all so new and fun.

These days, I put out a lot of stuff in mainstream for travel and sailing, my hobbies. Make decent money from it actually, and it keeps me busy.

Werent yall running Wildcat back then?
I ran everything from RBBS to PCBoard at the very end.
I miss those days when people sent you a check to your house for access to NGS. [nasty greyscaled shit]
While some were just discovering BBSes we were both already on the web.

[softball]

I remember when I thought I was on the internet because I was on a bbs. However, it was a swinger bbs and we did meet lots of people. Then one of them showed me the real internet. I spent 20 minutes downloading a picture and was amazed. Julia looked at it and said there's gotta be money in this. I borrowed a really crappy digital camera and proceeded to figure out how to get on "the net". That was 13 years ago....wow. A whole lot has happened in a decade
I made a lot of mistakes, a lot of great decisions, and a whole lot of money. What a ride.
Happy New Year to the last men standing.

[EmporerEJ]

I can beat you all! I shot my very first "Porn" image way back in 1975 when I was 15 years old. I took my father's Polaroid camera and took a picture of my girlfriend sucking my cock! I even made money from it, charging guys smokes and quarters (to buy smokes) to have a look. That made me a "Professional Pornographer" 35 years ago! ;)

Damn, you got me beat!
I had my first store at 9 years old. (1974) It wasn't porn though. It was toys and candy. (Ricky's Toy and Candy) It was a real store, built on a concrete pad, made from a brand new steel shed kit, (10 X 10) bought at JCPenny for $199, for which I paid "rent" of $10/month. Dad paid for the concrete foundation, which is actually still there.

That was my first lesson in "free Publicity." Got a full 1/3rd page in the paper with two photos, and an in -depth "Business kid" story. Best profit? Red Swedish jelly fish. Bought 480 piece boxes, for $3.80 and sold them for a penny each from apothecary jars. Made $1 profit a week on that product line alone. (Big money for a 9 year old kid in 1974.)

Caught the bug back then, and it never went away. Didn't start selling "tickets" to our super 8mm movie "theater" to the neighborhood kids until I was 12.

[EmporerEJ]

Werent yall running Wildcat back then?
I ran everything from RBBS to PCBoard at the very end.
I miss those days when people sent you a check to your house for access to NGS. [nasty greyscaled shit]
While some were just discovering BBSes we were both already on the web.

We ran Renegade, on the speakeasy relay network. "Sex2C Store BBS"
Online porn, chat lingerie, and sex toys

I remember one of our network guys became one of the first ISP's in the area with a "T-1" line, and several shelves of modems. He started with 30 US Robotics V.92 modems stacked on those click lock bookshelves.

Dude sold out a few years later to the local phone company for a couple mil.

[gonzo]

We ran Renegade, on the speakeasy relay network. "Sex2C Store BBS"
Online porn, chat lingerie, and sex toys

I remember one of our network guys became one of the first ISP's in the area with a "T-1" line, and several shelves of modems. He started with 30 US Robotics V.92 modems stacked on those click lock bookshelves.

Dude sold out a few years later to the local phone company for a couple mil.

Cott Lang and USR both suck.

FREE DENNIS HAYES!!!

[angelic]

We ran Renegade, on the speakeasy relay network. "Sex2C Store BBS"
Online porn, chat lingerie, and sex toys

I remember one of our network guys became one of the first ISP's in the area with a "T-1" line, and several shelves of modems. He started with 30 US Robotics V.92 modems stacked on those click lock bookshelves.

Dude sold out a few years later to the local phone company for a couple mil.

I ran 2 BBS'.. One porn-related, one not.. and I developed a PCBBS clone.. Was also a millionaire by 23..

Say whatever you want.. but I know business.. more so than any of you ever will.. and I started coming here for that reason.. business, that is..

[softball]

I ran 2 BBS'.. One porn-related, one not.. and I developed a PCBBS clone.. Was also a millionaire by 23..

Say whatever you want.. but I know business.. more so than any of you ever will.. and I started coming here for that reason.. business, that is..

You're funny dude. Please keep posting. I love this shit.

[angelic]

You're funny dude. Please keep posting. I love this shit.

You're going to have to be a lot more entertaining than that for me to keep posting ;(

Just keep up your usual ranting though, it's kept me here even after the interesting people (aka Mike, Serge, Nick, etc) "left"..

[softball]

You're going to have to be a lot more entertaining than that for me to keep posting ;(

Just keep up your usual ranting though, it's kept me here even after the interesting people (aka Mike, Serge, Nick, etc) "left"..

Yeah very interesting, they were. You were ok yourself with your gun rants.

[gonzo]

You're funny dude. Please keep posting. I love this shit.

Me too. talking about BBS software...Id say there are some experts lurking about in this thread but none of em are millionaires.

Not even Dennis Hayes.

[Hell Puppy]

Me too. talking about BBS software...Id say there are some experts lurking about in this thread but none of em are millionaires.

Not even Dennis Hayes.

and they likely know everyone who was anyone in the BBS days.

...btw...there's no such thing as "pcbbs".

[gonzo]

and they likely know everyone who was anyone in the BBS days.

...btw...there's no such thing as "pcbbs".

And they also likely know every adult BBS of any magnatude.
Knew of WildRose and HomeGrown BBS before the Timlakes bought it but were modeling for it.
Knows how Lee Noga got in trouble for "scanning" pictures she didnt own.

[angelic]

and they likely know everyone who was anyone in the BBS days.

...btw...there's no such thing as "pcbbs".

Call it PC Board if you prefer.. Most everyone over here (and if it wasnt obvious by now, Im european) was using PC Express instead..

[angelic]

Me too. talking about BBS software...Id say there are some experts lurking about in this thread but none of em are millionaires.

Not even Dennis Hayes.

And I am, along with 3 of my business partners.. millionaires, by far.. regardless of if you want to believe it or not.. Might be bordering to billionaire, for the biggest one..

Two to three previous owners of this board are as well (on the millionaire end).. as Im sure you are aware of, even if you might like to pretend Nick@Ilynx isnt.. he wasted enough money on silly things, but he was in the (legitimate, of course) mailing game when it paid off big time.. and trust me when I say that there were easily millions per month in that alone..

[softball]

And I am, along with 3 of my business partners.. millionaires, by far.. regardless of if you want to believe it or not.. Might be bordering to billionaire, for the biggest one..

Two to three previous owners of this board are as well (on the millionaire end).. as Im sure you are aware of, even if you might like to pretend Nick@Ilynx isnt.. he wasted enough money on silly things, but he was in the (legitimate, of course) mailing game when it paid off big time.. and trust me when I say that there were easily millions per month in that alone..

Wow....you made it, dude. I am so impressed by your success as we all are I am sure. It is a humbling experience to be in the company of such a high roller. Perhaps you could share with us your pathway to your current success.

[angelic]

Wow....you made it, dude. I am so impressed by your success as we all are I am sure. It is a humbling experience to be in the company of such a high roller. Perhaps you could share with us your pathway to your current success.

How about you just keep dressing up in stockings and leave the business end of things to the big boys?

And sure, thats not really me being serious, but I still think you get the point..

There used to be a few "high rollers" on this board.. but anyone that spends half their day bullshitting about donuts isnt going to be someone whos all about business.. (and sure, GFY is just a pool of annoyance, but even there IS still more business to be made than here..)

I dont really care though.. and Im guessing you dont either.. If it wasnt for the fact that I, once in a while, get bored,I wouldnt be posting here at all..

[DannyCox]

I actually started with PC Board for the first BBS in Edmonton back in the mid 1980's, then moved to Wildcat when I set up my next BBS in Calgary. I much preferred Wildcat. I still have the original Wildcat software on 5.25 floppies!

I do have to clean up some of that old software. Anyone need an original dBase on 5.25?? ;)

[softball]

How about you just keep dressing up in stockings and leave the business end of things to the big boys?

And sure, thats not really me being serious, but I still think you get the point..

There used to be a few "high rollers" on this board.. but anyone that spends half their day bullshitting about donuts isnt going to be someone whos all about business.. (and sure, GFY is just a pool of annoyance, but even there IS still more business to be made than here..)

I dont really care though.. and Im guessing you dont either.. If it wasnt for the fact that I, once in a while, get bored,I wouldnt be posting here at all..

well, on this we agree. You are big.

[gonzo]

Wow....you made it, dude. I am so impressed by your success as we all are I am sure. It is a humbling experience to be in the company of such a high roller. Perhaps you could share with us your pathway to your current success.

Hes busy inventing a clone of another imaginary million to go with the nonexistant software.

And Ive been in both Serge and Nicks homes too but not living in the basement.

And it wasnt a Bentley I rode with Jon in when I was in vancouver it was a mini cooper.
You can pack a lot of ass in a small car like that though.
I wonder if he bought that Mustang he was eyeing back then? I already had a 4 cylinder car and chose to buy a Charger SRT-8 instead.
And like this board... I paid cash for it too.

[angelic]

Hes busy inventing a clone of another imaginary million to go with the nonexistant software.

And Ive been in both Serge and Nicks homes too but not living in the basement.

And it wasnt a Bentley I rode with Jon in when I was in vancouver it was a mini cooper.
You can pack a lot of ass in a small car like that though.
I wonder if he bought that Mustang he was eyeing back then? I already had a 4 cylinder car and chose to buy a Charger SRT-8 instead.
And like this board... I paid cash for it too.

Oh come on, even I was in the Escalade..

[angelic]

well, on this we agree. You are big.

We're all full of shit, and we all know it.. And I dont really care about what anyone else does.. and you (and maybe even gonzo) might be more content with life than I am, despite anything else..

But in the end, I'll be fine even if both the adult industry and the 'mainstream' internet both die completely, financially anyway, so how about we just let my psychiatrist figure out the rest (on my end anyway..)

[softball]

Oh come on, even I was in the Escalade..

Bad choice of locomotion. I have seen piccies of Serge's crib. It looked like an Eastern European dream with Sears furniture and fake Picassos. And Jon lives in the middle of nowhere and there is no way on God's green earth he paid a million bucks for that place at that time as he said. Why the fuck do you think I don't believe a word of this?
Now, I am not saying those guys didn't do well, but certainly not as much as all that. What you spend is not necessarily what you are worth.

[softball]

Anthony, you seem like an alright guy to me. You don't need to bang this drum so loudly.

[angelic]

Anthony, you seem like an alright guy to me. You don't need to bang this drum so loudly.

He knows far better than you do...

[tony404]

I got to tell you if I was making 7 figures my ass wouldnt be going back and forth on a forum. lol

[softball]

He knows far better than you do...
Who does?

[softball]

I got to tell you if I was making 7 figures my ass wouldnt be going back and forth on a forum. lol
I probably wouldn't be telling the world and the IRS either.

[angelic]

I probably wouldn't be telling the world and the IRS either.

Not that the IRS would care, neither of us are American, but Im not stupid enough not to pay taxes..

Please try again..

[softball]

Not that the IRS would care, neither of us are American, but Im not stupid enough not to pay taxes..

Please try again..

Neither of you.....wow....do you talk to each other?

[angelic]

Neither of you.....wow....do you talk to each other?

Nah, as Im sure you know by know, I only talk to myself.. and you..

[softball]

Nah, as Im sure you know by know, I only talk to myself.. and you..

Yeah, I figured that out. I guess that means I have to put you on my Christmas card list

[angelic]

Yeah, I figured that out. I guess that means I have to put you on my Christmas card list

I'd appreciate if you did.. the address is:
SANTA CLAUS
NORTH POLE
H0H 0H0, CANADA

It's the Canadian address. But I'm sure if you just put "Angelic" on it, for this year, that it'll get to me.. I mean, after all, we clearly both still believe in Santa..

I mean, you and everyone else here still believe the adult industry will be the same as it was in '99 in 10 years.. (or a few others, that still stick, to the DVD era, so '95)..

[softball]

I'd appreciate if you did.. the address is:
SANTA CLAUS
NORTH POLE
H0H 0H0, CANADA

It's the Canadian address. But I'm sure if you just put "Angelic" on it, for this year, that it'll get to me.. I mean, after all, we clearly both still believe in Santa..

I mean, you and everyone else here still believe the adult industry will be the same as it was in '99 in 10 years.. (or a few others, that still stick, to the DVD era, so '95)..
I bet I make more money out of just dvd sales than you earn in a year.

[angelic]

I bet I make more money out of just dvd sales than you earn in a year.

I know, for a fact, that you dont..

[softball]

I know, for a fact, that you dont..

Yawn.

[angelic]

Yawn.

And if you cant do any better than that, then yeah, yawn..

You'll continue to do OK, but you'll never do well..

[softball]

And if you cant do any better than that, then yeah, yawn..

You'll continue to do OK, but you'll never do well..
OK, so going from zero to OK is an improvement. But going from OK to zero is a failure. So, tell us about how you went from a broke ass bankrupt to rich. It would be inspirational. I mean if you can't afford the payments on a cheap low rent condo,being rich must feel good. Maybe being rich in Panama means something entirely different than in the first world. Hell I could move to Winnipeg or Viet Nam and live like royalty.

[RawAlex]

Not that the IRS would care, neither of us are American, but Im not stupid enough not to pay taxes..

Please try again..

So Timon, stiff anyone else recently?

[gonzo]

So Timon, stiff anyone else recently?

Hes probably busy doing his daily change of the T&Cs so he can screw webmasters out of affiliate money.

Oh thats right didnt he move to some 3rd world ghetto with Kman so he could fuck shemales and brag about living like a millionaire on 30K a year?

[angelic]

So Timon, stiff anyone else recently?

Im sure Timon would be offended.. Although, Im also sure he doesnt give a fuck about what you think.. (As for me, Ive never been to Thailand..)

But I did business with IEG back in the day.. as well as with Timon, Kman.. and come on, we all know they do better than you, Gonzo, etc..

[angelic]

Hes probably busy doing his daily change of the T&Cs so he can screw webmasters out of affiliate money.

Oh thats right didnt he move to some 3rd world ghetto with Kman so he could fuck shemales and brag about living like a millionaire on 30K a year?

Gonzo, we're hiring.. want a job? I mean, the one company.. AEBN, that started the first major tube (so thanks to AEBN for ruining the adult industry...), and STILL couldn't make any money.. They're also obviously isn't paying you very well anymore since you're doing this shit:
http://gonzoconsulting.com/

[softball]

Anthony, you are still funny, man. Now about the default on the property. Answer this question, if you are so rich, howcum you had your cheap ass apartment repossessed? A simple answer works.

[gonzo]

Gonzo, we're hiring.. want a job? I mean, the one company.. AEBN, that started the first major tube (so thanks to AEBN for ruining the adult industry...), and STILL couldn't make any money.. They're also obviously isn't paying you very well anymore since you're doing this shit:
http://gonzoconsulting.com/

Im waiting for you to buy them so you can pay me better and show us all how its done.

After all you made a clone of a fake BBS program and became a millionaire with it on an adult BBS at 23.

Why do all you self proclaimed millionaires flee to the 3rd world countries?

[softball]

I think Angelic Anthony has bit the big one here.

[DannyCox]

I'm sorry, but I don't remember Anthony. Who was he?

I never really hung around any boards that much, so it always puts me at a disadvantage ;)

[EmporerEJ]

I ran 2 BBS'.. One porn-related, one not.. and I developed a PCBBS clone.. Was also a millionaire by 23..

Say whatever you want.. but I know business.. more so than any of you ever will.. and I started coming here for that reason.. business, that is..

Good. Write me a check, and I'll believe you. If you already know everything, why are coming here again?

[EmporerEJ]

Gonzo, we're hiring.. want a job? I mean, the one company.. AEBN, that started the first major tube (so thanks to AEBN for ruining the adult industry...), and STILL couldn't make any money.. They're also obviously isn't paying you very well anymore since you're doing this shit:
http://gonzoconsulting.com/

Oh, I don't know. I don't have any love for AEBN, but I like Gonzo. And even though they are "competitors," and "borrowed" some ideas, at least they are producing something, and advancing the craft. If I were gonna hire someone for advice in the online adult industry, Gonzo is one of the few people I would be willing to pay.

[gonzo]

Oh, I don't know. I don't have any love for AEBN, but I like Gonzo. And even though they are "competitors," and "borrowed" some ideas, at least they are producing something, and advancing the craft. If I were gonna hire someone for advice in the online adult industry, Gonzo is one of the few people I would be willing to pay.

Thanks EJ.
Dont know many people in this biz that can say theyve had a client for 7 years.

Timon doesnt have any use for me. Because I dont know anything about ripping off webmasters and consumers. Nor do I share his enthusiasm for fucking trannys either.

My mind doesnt come up with con games like changing the T&Cs so you dont have to pay out webmasters for the traffic or putting consumers on the merrygoround of charges so they have to try all 100+ sites before they can cancel the agreement.

Good thing too the FTC seems to have agreed with me on that.

So I wont be having to move to a 3rd world country and worry about getting washed away by a tsunami in order to live like royalty on 30K a year.
Its sad when a millionaire at the age of 23 that invented vapor BBS software to make all that money has spent all his money that he cant afford a newspaper so he has to come
to Oprano to make bullshit anon boasts.

So very sad.

[softball]

Timon is a tranny? Is Angelic a tranny as well? I didn't know any of this.

[EmporerEJ]

Thanks EJ.
Dont know many people in this biz that can say theyve had a client for 7 years.

Timon doesnt have any use for me. Because I dont know anything about ripping off webmasters and consumers. Nor do I share his enthusiasm for fucking trannys either.

My mind doesnt come up with con games like changing the T&Cs so you dont have to pay out webmasters for the traffic or putting consumers on the merrygoround of charges so they have to try all 100+ sites before they can cancel the agreement.




This also ties into another thread. There's something about the shows, actually meeting the people behind the keyboards, to give you a sense of "who" they are.

I knew you from the boards, but didn't really get a sense of you, until we were at a few shows. Same goes for Danny, and Toby. And, of course, the Far-L and Moff, et all......really great people that took us under their wing, literally, at our first show. I'll never forget Far-L giving an interview to a hot aussie reporter as he was shooting getting a blow job from one of the girls. (That was at their studio, but around the same time.)

Met some other great people too. Dan, Sammy, and Bret, and many of the crew from amateurmasters. Sad, that spread to the winds. I know you tried to save it. Too bad they wouldn't let you.

[softball]

Who tried to save AM, Emp?

[Merdroreneemn]

hey. not sure if this is the right section

[gonzo]

Who tried to save AM, Emp?

I did.
I tried to buy it a number of times from Dan first and then Brett.

[obsevy]

It is remarkable, this very valuable message

[softball]

I did.
I tried to buy it a number of times from Dan first and then Brett.

I did not know that. This is remarkable and a very valuable message. But hey, is this the right section?:)

[DannyCox]

Farrell and I also tried to buy it off Dan, but he went with Brett instead.

[softball]

Its a shame that board was tanked.

[DannyCox]

Actually, I should have said that we tried to buy it off of Rick and he went with Dan instead.

It's a bitch getting old :(

[softball]

I heard the story from Rob in Thailand...just after an elephant walked into the bar. Dan wanted to buy it to ban a certain person...I just can't remember who that was.

[gonzo]

Its a shame that board was tanked.

They wanted what they paid Rick for it.
The amusing part is somehow it ended back up on the open market last year.

I was approached to buy after its current owner tried to get me to help them run it. I made another firm and even more drastically reduced offer but they wanted me to pay enough for it to set them up in the teeshirt printing business.

Hope that worked out for them because we looked at buying their paysite prior to it and it looked like they werent any better at running that than a board.

I was pissed when it was admitted to Anton that the talent that was on the main site and who frequented several of these boards had long been gone and and the dude was just posing to squeeze the last dollar out of the biz.

As I recall the teeshirts Nick ordered from them were somewhat halfassed as well.

[DannyCox]

There have been four different "Deb's" now. The original, then the first blonde, then the last brunette, and now the new blonde. Gets confusing for long time surfers ;)

[gonzo]

There have been four different "Deb's" now. The original, then the first blonde, then the last brunette, and now the new blonde. Gets confusing for long time surfers ;)

I see you know who Im talking about as well

[softball]

I think its always been the same couple. The original Deb backed off the site for some reason, to run the t shirt business I think. Then they brought in another deep throat girl. They tried to make a go of AM but they got it when webmaster boards were tanking everywhere and it never really did anything. I guess now its gone again.

[gonzo]

I think its always been the same couple. The original Deb backed off the site for some reason, to run the t shirt business I think. Then they brought in another deep throat girl. They tried to make a go of AM but they got it when webmaster boards were tanking everywhere and it never really did anything. I guess now its gone again.

Dude told Anton she was long gone.

[EmporerEJ]

I see you know who Im talking about as well

Yes, indeed.

[softball]

interesting. The original was a bit of an emotional wreck.

[DannyCox]

The "Original Deb" is the one that tried to get AM going again. She did retire from being in front of the camera to concentrate on the merchandise business, and as far as I know, they still have the store going in Mohawk, New York. They found the second "Deb" and brought her in to do a bunch of shoots. But from what I understand, she wasn't happy with the money, so she left. They then brought in the Brunette Deb who only lasted a few months, and now they have the fourth one. But I think she may just be bought content and isn't exclusively "Deb".

But a number of people have done the same thing. misti4u.com went through 3 Misti's (the first was an original YNOT member back in the day). Even Dan & lisa brought in another couple to be "Beth & Aaron".

Kai, a Florida webmaster from back in the day, used to flip out girls so fast, you could never keep up!

[softball]

We are, after all, in the entertainment biz. There has been a few James Bonds.

[DannyCox]

I am the third "Danny Cox" ;)

[Hell Puppy]

Call it PC Board if you prefer.. Most everyone over here (and if it wasnt obvious by now, Im european) was using PC Express instead..

No, no they weren't.

But by all means keep regaling us...

[gonzo]

No, no they weren't.

But by all means keep regaling us...

Straight out of the cockholster handbook... if you get busted out for your boasts just claim your in Europe so those Americans dont know... a less sophisticated ploy is to claim its an "inside joke".

[RawAlex]

Straight out of the cockholster handbook... if you get busted out for your boasts just claim your in Europe so those Americans dont know... a less sophisticated ploy is to claim its an "inside joke".

You can only use that one if you "kill" someone first.

[Far-L]

This also ties into another thread. There's something about the shows, actually meeting the people behind the keyboards, to give you a sense of "who" they are.

I knew you from the boards, but didn't really get a sense of you, until we were at a few shows. Same goes for Danny, and Toby. And, of course, the Far-L and Moff, et all......really great people that took us under their wing, literally, at our first show. I'll never forget Far-L giving an interview to a hot aussie reporter as he was shooting getting a blow job from one of the girls. (That was at their studio, but around the same time.)

Met some other great people too. Dan, Sammy, and Bret, and many of the crew from amateurmasters. Sad, that spread to the winds. I know you tried to save it. Too bad they wouldn't let you.

lol, those were some funny times...

For the record... this is still the original and not a reasonable facsimile...

[EmporerEJ]

lol, those were some funny times...

For the record... this is still the original and not a reasonable facsimile...

Dude, you are still a superhero to me.
Never met another man with such "Dick Control."

:)

[gonzo]

Dude, you are still a superhero to me.
Never met another man with such "Dick Control."

:)

You should have seen him back in his photogenic days!

YOu guys are both a couple of the good guys in this biz.

I dont agree with either of you 100% of the time but at least I know you have best interests in mind.

Homegrown will always be super heros for fighting the evil copyright scammers.
:okthumb:

[softball]

I wanna here more from emp about dick control.

[RawAlex]

Notice we outed Timon and he disappeared? I guess he realized we were on to his bullshit.

[gonzo]

Notice we outed Timon and he disappeared? I guess he realized we were on to his bullshit.

Hes making his next million cloning a version of amdroid.

[Hell Puppy]

Notice we outed Timon and he disappeared? I guess he realized we were on to his bullshit.

It's what cockroaches do when someone turns the light on...

[softball]

roaches check in but they don't check out of the...
Roach Motel