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tony404
10-20-2009, 06:13 PM
I dont get that one.
pornlaw
10-20-2009, 08:32 PM
No one "gets" Sasha Grey, we arent supposed to....
Just a big name for AVN to use in their promos.
bluemoney
10-20-2009, 10:35 PM
Just a big name for AVN to use in their promos.
Who the fuck is Sasha Grey?
Who the fuck is Sasha Grey?
http://www.bevyofbabes.com/sasha-grey.php
tony404
10-20-2009, 11:19 PM
are they changing the focus of the show to the fans?
are they changing the focus of the show to the fans?
Who knows wtf AVN is thinking, they've never really had a firm grasp of anything beyond the video/dvd part of the biz.
softball
10-21-2009, 12:40 AM
Who the fuck is Sasha Grey?
furniture in front of the camera
DannyCox
10-21-2009, 12:03 PM
Well, when you look at the new newsletters that AVN is sending out, it sure looks like they've giving up on the Internet and on novelty. It's all Video and even the websites they promote are mainly "Porn Star". Just another nail in the coffin for AVN industry support.
tony404
10-21-2009, 05:50 PM
Well, when you look at the new newsletters that AVN is sending out, it sure looks like they've giving up on the Internet and on novelty. It's all Video and even the websites they promote are mainly "Porn Star". Just another nail in the coffin for AVN industry support.
I can almost see that focus more on that part of the market. its smaller but its still a pretty big place and its not as wild as the net.
Hell Puppy
10-21-2009, 08:31 PM
Buckwheat had it right.
Why the hell would I want to listen to a porn star TALK?
miz_wright
10-22-2009, 09:02 AM
Buckwheat had it right.
Why the hell would I want to listen to a porn star TALK?
Why wouldn't you?
Different perspectives are good, and while Sasha may not be everyone's cuppa, she is fairly intelligent.
I respect the hell out of you, but I think we do ourselves and our industry a disservice when we presume that because someone fucks on film they are incapable of having anything to contribute.
Different perspectives are good, and while Sasha may not be everyone's cuppa, she is fairly intelligent.
No argument there, she's definitely one of the more articulate performers in the industry.
But... I'm still having a hard time figuring out how her experience is going to translate to anything relevant to a group of online business people. She doesn't even have an Official Sasha Grey website.
tony404
10-22-2009, 11:38 AM
No argument there, she's definitely one of the more articulate performers in the industry.
But... I'm still having a hard time figuring out how her experience is going to translate to anything relevant to a group of online business people. She doesn't even have an Official Sasha Grey website.
Thank you especially in these hardtimes. I have no doubt she is a very smart girl that has done well for herself. But as a business person her opinion really means nothing to me. Also she isnt even a real web presence. They arent learning the web is adult not dvds or maybe they have dont want to bother with us anymore. Having her as the keynote is a good start. lol
tony404
10-22-2009, 11:39 AM
Why wouldn't you?
Different perspectives are good, and while Sasha may not be everyone's cuppa, she is fairly intelligent.
I respect the hell out of you, but I think we do ourselves and our industry a disservice when we presume that because someone fucks on film they are incapable of having anything to contribute.
To be the keynote for a business convention sorry no.
bluemoney
10-22-2009, 12:04 PM
Eye Candy
miz_wright
10-22-2009, 01:43 PM
No argument there, she's definitely one of the more articulate performers in the industry.
But... I'm still having a hard time figuring out how her experience is going to translate to anything relevant to a group of online business people. She doesn't even have an Official Sasha Grey website.
Thank you especially in these hardtimes. I have no doubt she is a very smart girl that has done well for herself. But as a business person her opinion really means nothing to me. Also she isnt even a real web presence. They arent learning the web is adult not dvds or maybe they have dont want to bother with us anymore. Having her as the keynote is a good start. lol
Frankly, I think because she's not got her own agenda, I am a helluva lot more likely to listen to her than I am to someone flogging his own shit and swinging his dick 'cos he got lucky, once, and rode it.
Hello, box. I think I will step outside of you for a bit.
...I am a helluva lot more likely to listen to her than I am to someone flogging his own shit and swinging his dick 'cos he got lucky, once, and rode it...
Yeah, there's been more than one Keynote address I've skipped over the years 'cuz it was some swingin' dick whose drivel I didn't care to hear again.
If I were going to be at Internext I probably would attend just to hear WTF she had to say about the biz. Curiosty getting the better of the cat. :)
EmporerEJ
10-22-2009, 03:46 PM
Frankly, I think because she's not got her own agenda, I am a helluva lot more likely to listen to her than I am to someone flogging his own shit and swinging his dick 'cos he got lucky, once, and rode it.
Hello, box. I think I will step outside of you for a bit.
Is this a "girl power" thing?
I'd rather hear from an industry leader.
...I'd rather hear from an industry leader.
That depends entirely on which "industry leader". A great many of them got to where they are simply by being there first years ago and becoming an 800 lb. gorilla.
miz_wright
10-22-2009, 03:58 PM
Is this a "girl power" thing?
I'd rather hear from an industry leader.
Uh, no, it's not.
I mean, clearly, that would be the only motivation I would have for wanting to hear what someone who has some pretty solid mainstream recognition under her belt just for being exactly who she is, without trying to sanitise herself, and has been featured in more non-porn outlets than anyone in years. Obviously. But, no, EJ, this time, it's not about "girl power."
'Cos I am not a Spice Girl.
That depends entirely on which "industry leader". A great many of them got to where they are simply by being there first years ago and becoming an 800 lb. gorilla.
*ding*
softball
10-22-2009, 04:15 PM
I kinda found myself agreeing with you Lizz until this
pretty solid mainstream recognition under her belt
miz_wright
10-22-2009, 04:21 PM
I kinda found myself agreeing with you Lizz until this
She does, whether we like it or not.
softball
10-22-2009, 04:45 PM
She does, whether we like it or not.
Not what I would call mainstream. Interviews don't qualify....tittilating movies don't qualify.... Fringy maybe. Mainstream.....hmmmmm
Let me put it this way. Before I was in the porn racket, I would never have said this girl was anything but a porn queen. Mainstream is a term used only by porn people.
miz_wright
10-22-2009, 04:52 PM
Not what I would call mainstream. Interviews don't qualify....tittilating movies don't qualify.... Fringy maybe. Mainstream.....hmmmmm
Let me put it this way. Before I was in the porn racket, I would never have said this girl was anything but a porn queen. Mainstream is a term used only by porn people.
I can see that.
She may be a porn queen - I'm ok with that.
But she's the most recognisable porn queen in non-adult media since Little Miss Underage, bar none.
I've never seen any other porn personality get as much attention in m/s ad campaigns, movies, or press. Sure, it's all due to porn, but that's kinda an interesting tell in and of itself, I think.
I'm not saying she is mainstream - I'm saying that she's had more wide-spread (heh, pun not actually intended) exposure in non-porn media than any starlet I can think of. And yes, I include Jenna Jameson and Stormy here.
softball
10-22-2009, 05:01 PM
I can see that.
She may be a porn queen - I'm ok with that.
But she's the most recognisable porn queen in non-adult media since Little Miss Underage, bar none.
I've never seen any other porn personality get as much attention in m/s ad campaigns, movies, or press. Sure, it's all due to porn, but that's kinda an interesting tell in and of itself, I think.
I'm not saying she is mainstream - I'm saying that she's had more wide-spread (heh, pun not actually intended) exposure in non-porn media than any starlet I can think of. And yes, I include Jenna Jameson and Stormy here.
Fair enough, but how does this qualify her as a keynote speaker? Attention in the straight world, other than drive some curious traffic, is not exactly something to aspire to.
We work in a "entrance at the rear" (no pun intended) kind of business. Murky is what we strive for. I am not quit sure why so many porn guys seem to need validation from the square world. And that would be the only reason to make her a keynote speaker and even that is a stretch. Sure I would like to hear her story but more out of curiosity if I happened to be at the show. It wouldn't attract me. She is surfer bait as far as I can see.
miz_wright
10-22-2009, 05:45 PM
Fair enough, but how does this qualify her as a keynote speaker? Attention in the straight world, other than drive some curious traffic, is not exactly something to aspire to.
We work in a "entrance at the rear" (no pun intended) kind of business. Murky is what we strive for. I am not quit sure why so many porn guys seem to need validation from the square world. And that would be the only reason to make her a keynote speaker and even that is a stretch. Sure I would like to hear her story but more out of curiosity if I happened to be at the show. It wouldn't attract me. She is surfer bait as far as I can see.
I think the pendulum is swinging (HA! There I go again!) away from it being a "separate entrance for the filthy smut folk. " And I don't think it's a bad thing. I've mentioned before that the sexual revolution has made a lot of things come out of the shadows - as has the internet. While I don't think we'll ever be a topic that dads 'n grads bond over a beer on, I do think that the stigma of being in touch with one's sexuality is going away.
The part for me that makes this make sense is that she is an intelligent woman in this business (if a bit pretentious in her "I'm 21 and know everything and am VERY SMART LOOK AT ME" kinda way), on a side we don't usually look at, with avenues open to her that have been unexplored.
It feels like a way to break out of our shuttered world with blinders - and I think we must be honest, that as an industry, we very much are that way. We have a corner, and we like to stay there. Perhaps the shake up is a way to show us that won't work anymore. Perhaps because she isn't what we've looked to in the past as a key note is precisely what will make her valuable.
softball
10-22-2009, 06:04 PM
I've mentioned before that the sexual revolution has made a lot of things come out of the shadows - as has the internet. While I don't think we'll ever be a topic that dads 'n grads bond over a beer on, I do think that the stigma of being in touch with one's sexuality is going away.
It feels like a way to break out of our shuttered world with blinders - and I think we must be honest, that as an industry, we very much are that way. We have a corner, and we like to stay there. Perhaps the shake up is a way to show us that won't work anymore. Perhaps because she isn't what we've looked to in the past as a key note is precisely what will make her valuable.
The very acceptance that you are talking about is what devalues our product. As far as the sexual revolution goes, which sexual revolution is that? I am tired of living through revolutions. It seems every generation thinks it is revolutionary and I don't really see one at the moment.
DannyCox
10-23-2009, 01:08 AM
Keep in mind that "mainstream" industry use celebrities all the time as keynote speakers. It's all too common at large conventions to get the people out. But it has always been something I have been against in business. Used properly, a keynote speaker should start off the seminar and guide it in the selected direction, including acting as moderator. Of course, to do that, you should actually know something about the industry you are speaking too.
My problem is that while she may be articulate, Sasha Grey is no genius by any stretch of the imagination. For one thing, and as Liz pointed out, she is much too young and inexperienced to be taken the least bit seriously. For another, she doesn't know or understand a thing about what any of us actually do. May as well just hired a D list celebrity (which would actually be a step up!).
I really believes it does belittle our industry to have her give the keynote address. This has nothing to do with her being a Porn Star and spreading her legs to make a living. My wife has been doing that since Sasha was 4 years old! It has to do with the perception within and without the industry. I would hope by now we could show professionalism at shows and keep the eye candy in the background. We want to show the world that we are a legitimate and real industry, but every time we do something as ridiculous as this, we just backslide in everyone's eyes.
This is just another example on how AVN has lost touch with everything!
gonzo
10-23-2009, 01:35 AM
And I guess the parent company that owns AEE declairing bankruptcy is just a further indication of that....
And you know if AEE is having it tough ... Internext is got to be hurting.
Hell Puppy
10-23-2009, 01:44 AM
Why wouldn't you?
Different perspectives are good, and while Sasha may not be everyone's cuppa, she is fairly intelligent.
I respect the hell out of you, but I think we do ourselves and our industry a disservice when we presume that because someone fucks on film they are incapable of having anything to contribute.
And in reality, you know I actually am pretty open minded and will listen to just about anyone and see what I can learn. At least until they prove themselves to be complete idiots, in which case I'm more likely just to make sure I'm not in their presence....ever... That's a fairly short but distinguished list. ;)
But I think you'll see the overall perception is WTF is up with choosing her as keynote.
She's 21. She's been in the business 3 years. I had to look her up to see who she was, apparently her mainstream celebrity is one of the bands included their favorite porn chick to spank it to in a video. Oh, and a couple of shots on talk shows sensationalizing "teens in porn" when she was still 18-19. I guess she could talk about what it takes to win the AVN award for best 3 way.
Maybe she really is smart and we're all really underestimating her. It's still yet another highly questionable decision by AVN. The keynote doesn't target the fans, it targets business. Whether it be video, web or whatever, none of us are typically awestruck by talent.
Hell Puppy
10-23-2009, 01:52 AM
I will turn around and argue the other side here and say AVN has no good choices for keynote.
We have NO true industry leaders. This industry doesn't work as an industry. We work as a collection of businesses all selling the same thing. We're cut throat though, there's NO cooperation even when it would be in everyone's best interest.
Many of our "successful" business people as has already been pointed out just were in right place at right time. Others just want to "big dick" tell you how much they've made and that it cant be done now. And the ones who actually know a little something and have some really good ideas are damned sure not going to get up in front of a room and tell you about them. See above, there's NO benefit for them to do so and a zillion reasons NOT to.
miz_wright
10-23-2009, 08:13 AM
The very acceptance that you are talking about is what devalues our product. As far as the sexual revolution goes, which sexual revolution is that? I am tired of living through revolutions. It seems every generation thinks it is revolutionary and I don't really see one at the moment.
I'm actually talking about the sexual revolution as it is recognised - from the late 60s/ early 70s.
The ripple effect is still being felt, is all I was getting at - not that there is anything fresh in that realm.
tony404
10-23-2009, 05:23 PM
Keep in mind that "mainstream" industry use celebrities all the time as keynote speakers. It's all too common at large conventions to get the people out. But it has always been something I have been against in business. Used properly, a keynote speaker should start off the seminar and guide it in the selected direction, including acting as moderator. Of course, to do that, you should actually know something about the industry you are speaking too.
My problem is that while she may be articulate, Sasha Grey is no genius by any stretch of the imagination. For one thing, and as Liz pointed out, she is much too young and inexperienced to be taken the least bit seriously. For another, she doesn't know or understand a thing about what any of us actually do. May as well just hired a D list celebrity (which would actually be a step up!).
I really believes it does belittle our industry to have her give the keynote address. This has nothing to do with her being a Porn Star and spreading her legs to make a living. My wife has been doing that since Sasha was 4 years old! It has to do with the perception within and without the industry. I would hope by now we could show professionalism at shows and keep the eye candy in the background. We want to show the world that we are a legitimate and real industry, but every time we do something as ridiculous as this, we just backslide in everyone's eyes.
This is just another example on how AVN has lost touch with everything!
if anyone should be the keynote it should be your wife she is a pioneer or if they really wanted a pornstar pick joanna angel she has her own little business empire. Sasha grey played a hooker in a movie no one saw and she has no business of her own. The girl could be a brillant speaker but it doesnt fit a business convention.Also until a porn star plays a mom or a nun in a movie, porn really hasnt been accepted by mainstream when they play porn stars, strippers and hookers in mainstream films.
tony404
10-23-2009, 05:24 PM
I'm actually talking about the sexual revolution as it is recognised - from the late 60s/ early 70s.
The ripple effect is still being felt, is all I was getting at - not that there is anything fresh in that realm.
actually we are more puritan now than we were then. Mainstream movies that were made then could never be made now.
DannyCox
10-23-2009, 05:59 PM
Imagine making the first Death Wish movie today! (there is a remake in production BTW) The graphic rape scene at the beginning would get nixed right off the top! Many of the movies made in the 1960's and 1970's couldn't be done today. They would offend our sensibilities and political correctness! ;)
Let's not even get into the Academy Award Winning "The Tin Drum"...
...if they really wanted a pornstar pick joanna angel she has her own little business empire...
I've seen Joanna in action on a panel at a show (Cybernet '06, Tampa). She's not a good choice for a keynote speaker, trust me on this one.
EmporerEJ
10-23-2009, 06:36 PM
Imagine making the first Death Wish movie today! (there is a remake in production BTW) The graphic rape scene at the beginning would get nixed right off the top! Many of the movies made in the 1960's and 1970's couldn't be done today. They would offend our sensibilities and political correctness! ;)
Let's not even get into the Academy Award Winning "The Tin Drum"...
you're right about that. It also makes me think about another video series that was very popular, back in my "video store days," "Faces of Death." That would freak them out for sure.
tony404
10-23-2009, 06:49 PM
Imagine making the first Death Wish movie today! (there is a remake in production BTW) The graphic rape scene at the beginning would get nixed right off the top! Many of the movies made in the 1960's and 1970's couldn't be done today. They would offend our sensibilities and political correctness! ;)
Let's not even get into the Academy Award Winning "The Tin Drum"...
or pretty baby with a very very young brooke shields or cruisin with Al Pacino
MikeSouth
10-23-2009, 09:31 PM
I have said it a million times
If you play a hooker, a stripper or a porn star it isnt mainstream, its just type casting.
That said this is the most retarded thing I have heard in a long time but oddly it doesn't surprise me. Sasha is a bit like Forest Gump, say a bunch of pseudo intellectual claptrap and people think you have some sort of intelligence....says a lot more about people than it does Sash and Forest
carry on
Hell Puppy
10-25-2009, 05:18 AM
I've seen Joanna in action on a panel at a show (Cybernet '06, Tampa). She's not a good choice for a keynote speaker, trust me on this one.
yah, i was thinking the same thing.
she doesn't know industry, she just knows her little niche. and what's worse is she doesn't know what she doesn't know.
Hell Puppy
10-25-2009, 05:19 AM
Imagine making the first Death Wish movie today! (there is a remake in production BTW) The graphic rape scene at the beginning would get nixed right off the top! Many of the movies made in the 1960's and 1970's couldn't be done today. They would offend our sensibilities and political correctness! ;)
Let's not even get into the Academy Award Winning "The Tin Drum"...
....or blazing saddles.
EmporerEJ
10-25-2009, 05:37 AM
I have said it a million times
If you play a hooker, a stripper or a porn star it isnt mainstream, its just type casting.
That said this is the most retarded thing I have heard in a long time but oddly it doesn't surprise me. Sasha is a bit like Forest Gump, say a bunch of pseudo intellectual claptrap and people think you have some sort of intelligence....says a lot more about people than it does Sash and Forest
carry on
You know, I just saw her on the AEE2009 on G4 again, and what you're saying rings true. She is definitely full of herself, now that she "has the respect of the film industry." Somebody must'a given her a thesaurus for Christmas.
gandalfuy
10-29-2009, 10:37 PM
I think Sasha is hot!
AmeliaG
10-29-2009, 11:55 PM
I think Sasha Grey seems pretty cool, but being able to keep a head on her shoulders about being a porn star is not the same as being expert in traffic or any of the sorts of information which would get me to a panel at a trade show. I find it kind of depressing that so many of the industry trade shows are treating professional webmasters like surfer customers.
softball
10-31-2009, 05:33 PM
I only want to see her GFE movie because it was shot on a Red. I hear its junk.
Porno queens never make it in the real world.
RawAlex
10-31-2009, 07:16 PM
I think Sasha Grey seems pretty cool, but being able to keep a head on her shoulders about being a porn star is not the same as being expert in traffic or any of the sorts of information which would get me to a panel at a trade show. I find it kind of depressing that so many of the industry trade shows are treating professional webmasters like surfer customers.
Well, I guess if nothing else, everyone will leave with a better appreciation of lubing before getting it up the butt.
tony404
10-31-2009, 07:20 PM
I think Sasha Grey seems pretty cool, but being able to keep a head on her shoulders about being a porn star is not the same as being expert in traffic or any of the sorts of information which would get me to a panel at a trade show. I find it kind of depressing that so many of the industry trade shows are treating professional webmasters like surfer customers.
Avn seemed never to want to understand us. We were the add on they couldnt ignore because there was money there.
EmporerEJ
10-31-2009, 07:43 PM
Avn seemed never to want to understand us. We were the add on they couldnt ignore because there was money there.
While there was editorial control of AVN Online with certain people, that wasn't true.
Now, it's hard to tell. We'll see with the new direction.
gonzo
11-02-2009, 07:09 PM
http://11.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kru9im8ydw1qzg4loo1_400.jpg (http://diablodvd.com/?page_id=148)
softball
11-03-2009, 12:20 AM
http://11.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kru9im8ydw1qzg4loo1_400.jpg (http://diablodvd.com/?page_id=148)
I wonder why she has never said shit on any web boards considering those are the people she will be addressing. I tell you her speech will be a youtube hit. Sasha Grey, step up to the plate.
vdc-Loki
11-03-2009, 10:35 AM
ehh, not surprised at all really, They (various companies) have been TRYING (and failing) to make Sasha the next Jenna, so far I've caught her on a few cable series (Family Biz, and some reality style show about the remake of Deep Throat) and then there was her "crossover movie"
same shit diff day as always huh?
-Loki-
So............
I've seen a number of reports from AEE but not one of them mentioned anything about Ms. Grey's keynote address on Friday afternoon.
Did anyone even show up to listen?
RawAlex
01-10-2010, 10:27 PM
ehh, not surprised at all really, They (various companies) have been TRYING (and failing) to make Sasha the next Jenna, so far I've caught her on a few cable series (Family Biz, and some reality style show about the remake of Deep Throat) and then there was her "crossover movie"
same shit diff day as always huh?
-Loki-
I think you may be right, but I also think that she doesn't have the sheer star power or the overwhelming looks to truly get people interested. I don't think she brings quite enough glamour to the game. She has a picture the other day on Perez Hilton (I wonder who paid for it to be there), and she didn't look to be all that.
Did anyone attend her keynote address at all?
Evil Chris
01-27-2010, 11:09 AM
Here it is.
Part 1 - http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6762528/17573985
Part 2 - http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6762551/17574020
EmporerEJ
01-27-2010, 02:30 PM
Here it is.
Part 1 - http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6762528/17573985
Part 2 - http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6762551/17574020
Ok, someone might want to discuss "Keynote" with future speakers.
I'm afraid hearing about the "history of the adult business" from a child that hadn't yet been born when she is telling me about "how it was in the Video tape days."
I was there. And I'm not so old, that my feeble, elderly mind has clouded over.
The rest of her keynote seems to have been primarily self promotion.
I also wasn't very impressed with "the room" provided for the keynote. Would a little decoration have hurt?
I wasn't there, maybe it looked snappier in person?
(But thanks very much, for posting the video, Chris)
softball
01-27-2010, 05:38 PM
gag me with a spoon.....
The whole thing was unprofessional from the room to the talent. I agree with Emp on this. Why would this haphazard, cobbled together performance attract anyone other than consumers to see a porn girl? Jesus wept.
edit: The Camera work was stellar. It complemented the presentation.
If y'all managed to endure the full 15 minutes you're better men than I.
EmporerEJ
01-27-2010, 11:15 PM
Can I get an AMEN!?!
.
:kneel:
(Damn! I been waiting, like, years to use that emoticon. It's about time.)
tony404
01-27-2010, 11:54 PM
it looked like they had it at a high school auditorium. Also it looked like a small crowd.
Hell Puppy
01-28-2010, 12:36 AM
What was her point exactly?
softball
01-28-2010, 12:38 AM
So, the Oprano judges give her a solid ....say....1.5?
softball
01-28-2010, 12:44 AM
OK, I wanna know what the fuck were they thinkin'? Hey Evil, you got an opinion on this? What's the buzz in the office? Was she a hit or a miss?
Hell Puppy
01-28-2010, 12:46 AM
I'd hit it.
softball
01-28-2010, 12:54 AM
I'd hit it.
Yeah, but you would also apparently fuck your palms.
Hell Puppy
01-28-2010, 01:06 AM
Yeah, but you would also apparently fuck your palms.
I'm pretty good if I do say so myself.
DannyCox
01-28-2010, 02:15 PM
WOW! What was AVN thinking?? I just forced myself to watch that entire fiasco, and she was awful. Not just for herself, but for the industry as a whole. Someone over at AVN really needs to look up "Keynote Address" in a dictionary. (someone please explain to me how this was, in any way, a Keynote Address!) She should have talked about the state of the industry as it is now, and the thrust of the show. not about herself.
She spent a couple of minutes talking about the past, and the supposed way everyone used to work together (which just never happened). Then she went on about herself, her new company, and how she was going to finally make good movies! She basically shit on all the producers in the audience! In the Q&A section, she also shit on the public! This chick is poison and no one should ever let her speak again!
softball
01-28-2010, 02:25 PM
I would not hit it.
Hey Sasha Grey...get your skinny ass in here. You got some 'splainin' to do.
Evil Chris
01-28-2010, 03:32 PM
WOW! What was AVN thinking?? I just forced myself to watch that entire fiasco, and she was awful. Not just for herself, but for the industry as a whole. Someone over at AVN really needs to look up "Keynote Address" in a dictionary. (someone please explain to me how this was, in any way, a Keynote Address!) She should have talked about the state of the industry as it is now, and the thrust of the show. not about herself.
She spent a couple of minutes talking about the past, and the supposed way everyone used to work together (which just never happened). Then she went on about herself, her new company, and how she was going to finally make good movies! She basically shit on all the producers in the audience! In the Q&A section, she also shit on the public! This chick is poison and no one should ever let her speak again!Dan, you should know that show has almost nothing to do with AVN. Take it out on http://www.entertainmentmerchantsassociation.org/
or http://www.vsda.org
(same place)
To the rest of you... what on earth did you expect? Some earth-shattering keynote speech from a world leader? Look, I have zero to do with AEE or who speaks there, but since everyone here has a negative outlook on it, I'd really like to know.... WHO you would have chosen to speak, and what they should speak about?
Evil Chris
01-28-2010, 03:34 PM
I would not hit it.
Hey Sasha Grey...get your skinny ass in here. You got some 'splainin' to do.LOL
She would (could!) hit you, and you'd fall. Hard.
:whistling
...WHO you would have chosen to speak, and what they should speak about?
Just a few names that come to mind off the top of my head...
Scott Coffman
Farrell Timlake
or if you want more recognizable face
Nina Hartley
The common theme there is that they've all been in the business long enough to have some perspective on where the industry has been, where it is now, where it has succeeded, where it has failed, and where it may be headed. Those are the topics generally touched upon in a keynote address.
softball
01-28-2010, 03:56 PM
Dan, you should know that show has almost nothing to do with AVN. Take it out on http://www.entertainmentmerchantsassociation.org/
or http://www.vsda.org
(same place)
To the rest of you... what on earth did you expect? Some earth-shattering keynote speech from a world leader? Look, I have zero to do with AEE or who speaks there, but since everyone here has a negative outlook on it, I'd really like to know.... WHO you would have chosen to speak, and what they should speak about?
What would anyone expect Evil? You think because we sell pornography we are a buncha morons that think the opinion of a young porn chick will in anyway be of interest to us except as a curiosity? You posted those sixth grade videos of a girl who was semi coherent on this business, so the assumption is you want an opinion.
Now that you are an employee of this company, paid to do this kind of thing....(note to self...don't use the W word) you might expect to do a little damage control. You are an oar in their boat now.
Face it....that was an embarrassing disaster of a presentation by a company that was taking the piss out of the rest of us. Total disrespect for their peers. This kind of shit will not help their business one bit.
edit: just a sidenote. apparently preparation and opportunity never even shook hands.
softball
01-28-2010, 04:03 PM
LOL
She would (could!) hit you, and you'd fall. Hard.
:whistling
Not too likely. I have been around that block way too many times, Evil.:whistling
Evil Chris
01-28-2010, 04:23 PM
Just a few names that come to mind off the top of my head...
Scott Coffman
Farrell Timlake
or if you want more recognizable face
Nina Hartley
The common theme there is that they've all been in the business long enough to have some perspective on where the industry has been, where it is now, where it has succeeded, where it has failed, and where it may be headed. Those are the topics generally touched upon in a keynote address.I won't argue with that. My suggestion is (if you do care, and apparently you do enough to discuss this) contact the folks at vsda.org and tell them what you think.
EmporerEJ
01-28-2010, 04:26 PM
Just a few names that come to mind off the top of my head...
Farrell Timlake
or if you want more recognizable face
Nina Hartley
I agree with those names, or even Tera. She's managed to straddle several worlds. I know she doesn't have a "cozy" relationship with AVN, but we're all "grown-ups" here.
Nina Hartley certainly has something to say, (and would have done it eloquently,) as does the hedgehog.
Even Regina Lynn would have been a decent speaker.
Evil Chris
01-28-2010, 04:27 PM
What would anyone expect Evil? You think because we sell pornography we are a buncha morons that think the opinion of a young porn chick will in anyway be of interest to us except as a curiosity? You posted those sixth grade videos of a girl who was semi coherent on this business, so the assumption is you want an opinion.
Now that you are an employee of this company, paid to do this kind of thing....(note to self...don't use the W word) you might expect to do a little damage control. You are an oar in their boat now.
Face it....that was an embarrassing disaster of a presentation by a company that was taking the piss out of the rest of us. Total disrespect for their peers. This kind of shit will not help their business one bit.
edit: just a sidenote. apparently preparation and opportunity never even shook hands.Get your shit together rhetorical. I have nothing to do with AEE. I'm not even defending them, their show, or their choice of keynote speaker. What I am doing, however, is questioning what you would have done instead since it's all to easy to whinge about their choice. I have no "oar in their boat", and no... I'm not paid to do this kind of thing. Stop assuming you know everything about me, and what I do. Back up your negativity or button it.
Evil Chris
01-28-2010, 04:28 PM
Not too likely. I have been around that block way too many times, Evil.:whistlingLOL and don't kid yourself. She would beat the livin shit outta you! :waving:
My Dad can kick your Dad's ass! :rolleyes:
softball
01-28-2010, 05:44 PM
LOL and don't kid yourself. She would beat the livin shit outta you! :waving:
aw...why so negative Evil? Turn that frown upside down and maybe this year opportunity and Preparation H will meet......somewhere over the freeking rainbow.
DannyCox
01-28-2010, 06:21 PM
Dan, you should know that show has almost nothing to do with AVN. Take it out on http://www.entertainmentmerchantsassociation.org/
or http://www.vsda.org
(same place)
Isn't AEE owned and run by AVN? I had thought it was and always had been. I can't see the EMA running it, especially when they have companies like Blockbusters on their board. A number of the board members are very vocal in their anti-Porn stance.
Who is running AEE these days? It still seems to be known as "AVN Adult Entertainment Expo"
softball
01-28-2010, 06:36 PM
Registrant:
AVN Media Network, Inc.
9414 Eton Ave.
Chatsworth, CA 91311
US
Domain Name: INTERNEXT-EXPO.COM
Administrative Contact:
Roberts, Darren @avn.com
AVN Media Network Inc.
9414 Eton Ave.
Chatsworth, CA 91311
US
818-718-5788 x111 fax: (818) 718-5799
Technical Contact:
AVN, Inc. @avn.com
9414 Eton Ave
Chatsworth, CA 91311
US
818-718-5788
EmporerEJ
01-28-2010, 06:47 PM
Isn't AEE owned and run by AVN? I had thought it was and always had been. I can't see the EMA running it, especially when they have companies like Blockbusters on their board. A number of the board members are very vocal in their anti-Porn stance.
Who is running AEE these days? It still seems to be known as "AVN Adult Entertainment Expo"
Oh yes, they are very protective of AVNExpo...........and clearly claim to own it........
Evil Chris
01-28-2010, 09:41 PM
*sigh*...
Evil Chris
01-28-2010, 09:48 PM
rhetorical, you pulled the whois for internext-expo.com... bravo.
Weren't we talking about AEE? Which is owned by Questex? Their info shouldn't be hard to find. They filed for chapter 11 late in 2009.
AEE and Internext. Two very seperate events run by different organizations. AVN lends their name to AEE a la "Steven Speilberg presents...."
softball
01-28-2010, 10:02 PM
rhetorical, you pulled the whois for internext-expo.com... bravo.
Weren't we talking about AEE? Which is owned by Questex? Their info shouldn't be hard to find. They filed for chapter 11 late in 2009.
AEE and Internext. Two very seperate events run by different organizations. AVN lends their name to AEE a la "Steven Speilberg presents...."
Hand....meet Evil....Evil...have a few words with the hand....
Evil Chris
01-28-2010, 11:03 PM
I'll take that as an indication that you finally get it!
softball
01-28-2010, 11:07 PM
I'll take that as an indication that you finally get it!
Sure....you crack me up Evil.
EmporerEJ
01-29-2010, 02:28 AM
*sigh*...
And I repeat, AVN REALLY thinks they own the phrase, AVNExpo........or are you saying not?
I should be VERY interested in hearing your response.
softball
01-29-2010, 11:20 AM
Evil Chris Presents........(insert response in next reply)
Twisted Dave
01-29-2010, 11:47 AM
She's my favorite porn star :P
Evil Chris
01-29-2010, 12:47 PM
And I repeat, AVN REALLY thinks they own the phrase, AVNExpo........or are you saying not?
I should be VERY interested in hearing your response.you own it silly ;)
softball
01-29-2010, 04:31 PM
you own it silly ;)
Evil....you been into the Kickapoo Joy Juice?
miz_wright
01-29-2010, 04:39 PM
I was pretty sure I read a while back that while AVN licensed their brand for use in conjunction/ by the Expo, they have very little to do with the Expo itself - running, managing, or arranging. But I may be missing something.
Regardless, somehow it escaped my attention when I was in this thread way back in November that we were talking about the Keynote for AEE, not I'next. Now that I realise we were talking about the show that is primarily targeted at consumers, I'm really confused as to why everyone got all sacktwisted about Sasha speaking. It kinda made sense when I thought we were talking about her speaking as keynote at the webmaster show - though it felt kinda schmucky, I got it. But having her as a speaker at a fan show?
Well ,she's who the fans want to see and hear from, most likely. So there, it makes sense. And I stand by that.
Uh, back to the devolution of this thread, now. Sorry to bring it back on topic, guys! Y'all continue beatin' up on each other.
softball
01-29-2010, 07:25 PM
Devolution is for the Irish.....Tiocfaidh ár lá
MikeSouth
01-29-2010, 07:54 PM
OK yall I got nuthin against Nina but trust me you do NOT want to hear her speak.
Liz while AVN claims it isnt a consumer show and argue it all you like...fans weren't admitted to the keynote speech it was on the industry only day IIRC.
I know it's a novel idea but why dont we have someone speak who might actually be able to put some value in it...and drag em up a fucking plant or two jesus that looks like it was shoot in the cafeteria at the county lock up
softball
01-29-2010, 08:02 PM
Possibly the decor and the room were purposely designed to reflect the barren wilderness of today's porn. The lack of creativity reflecting the skill of the average webmaster. Perhaps a visual allegory contrasting the complexity of character and deep vision of the speaker.
Or was it just a huge fucking fiasco?
Evil Chris
01-29-2010, 11:42 PM
I'm really confused as to why everyone got all sacktwisted about Sasha speaking.It's because that's what they do here.
Anyone participating in this thread who actually went to AEE? Just wondering. :rolleyes:
(sacktwisted.... great word btw!)
Evil Chris
01-29-2010, 11:44 PM
Evil....you been into the Kickapoo Joy Juice?
huh?
Neither of you have it figured out yet? I guess EmperorEJ will have to let you in on it.
softball
01-30-2010, 12:59 AM
Neither of you have it figured out yet? I guess EmperorEJ will have to let you in on it.
Who cares? You tryin' to be Gonzo? Hand to Evil....try harder
It's because that's what they do here.
Hey Chris, I must say you're doing a truly stellar job of representing your employer. :rolleyes:
gonzo
01-30-2010, 06:44 AM
Who cares? You tryin' to be Gonzo? Hand to Evil....try harder
What did I do now?
softball
01-30-2010, 11:18 AM
Hey Chris, I must say you're doing a truly stellar job of representing your employer. :rolleyes:
Didn't he say he was owned by Emp?
Evil Chris
01-30-2010, 02:45 PM
Hey Chris, I must say you're doing a truly stellar job of representing your employer. :rolleyes:Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
softball
01-30-2010, 03:14 PM
Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
Out of gas. End of thread. Perhaps you should consider an online PR course to improve your damage control skills. Good luck in all your future endeavors, Evil.
Evil Chris
01-30-2010, 10:25 PM
Out of gas. End of thread. Perhaps you should consider an online PR course to improve your damage control skills. Good luck in all your future endeavors, Evil.Oh my God you are a shit disturber. haha...
Hell Puppy
01-30-2010, 10:41 PM
It's because that's what they do here.
Anyone participating in this thread who actually went to AEE? Just wondering. :rolleyes:
(sacktwisted.... great word btw!)
You miss the point.
First time in over a decade I have not gone to the January Vegas shows. I'm sure same is true for many others including some participants in this thread. Show organizers aren't listening to attendees as to what they want from these shows, and attendance continues to drop.
Evil Chris
01-31-2010, 12:25 AM
You miss the point.
First time in over a decade I have not gone to the January Vegas shows. I'm sure same is true for many others including some participants in this thread. Show organizers aren't listening to attendees as to what they want from these shows, and attendance continues to drop.HP... with due respect, I have been on Oprano a very long time. I understand the "feel" of things around here and bitching and whinging is part of the territory. Hell, it's part of the reason I come around too. ;)
There's no "point", here... not really. People are being judgemental towards a keynote speaker. It's expected. I actually met Sasha. She's nice, intelligent, she listens to everyone she interacts with. That's what struck me the most about her.
As for shows, what can I say other than the economic climate has made the situation what it is and people are scrambling to change the way they do things. Things will evolve.
softball
01-31-2010, 02:33 AM
HP... with due respect, I have been on Oprano a very long time. I understand the "feel" of things around here and bitching and whinging is part of the territory. Hell, it's part of the reason I come around too. ;)
There's no "point", here... not really. People are being judgemental towards a keynote speaker. It's expected. I actually met Sasha. She's nice, intelligent, she listens to everyone she interacts with. That's what struck me the most about her.
As for shows, what can I say other than the economic climate has made the situation what it is and people are scrambling to change the way they do things. Things will evolve.
OK, I thought you would have had the acumen to bow out gracefully, but since you did not.....
Here is what I think...
I understand the "feel" of things around here and bitching and whinging is part of the territory.
I understand that you say that is why you come here. Personally, I think it is disrespecting the board and those of us who post here. But that is just me.
I actually met Sasha. She's nice, intelligent, she listens to everyone she interacts with. That's what struck me the most about her
See my earlier comments about learning about damage control. Dude, do you really think we are all fucking morons? Schools out.
My suggestion is that you just walk away with your tail between your legs and pitch this shit where people will actually believe you.
I get it. You need the job. But just don't bring it here.
softball
01-31-2010, 02:35 AM
Oh my God you are a shit disturber. haha...
Cut and paste from two months ago. You really gotta stop drinking or whatever it is that is clouding your judgment.
Evil Chris
01-31-2010, 01:53 PM
rhetorical... the mistake you continue to make for years is that you assume people care what you think.
Go see if 12Clicks will give you the time of day.
softball
01-31-2010, 03:10 PM
rhetorical... the mistake you continue to make for years is that you assume people care what you think.
Go see if 12Clicks will give you the time of day.
Apparently the same applies to you Evil. So, you have to ask yourself whose opinion does really count. I have watched folks over the years and many of those opinionated motherfuckers are gone. And they had all the answers. Many, like 12clicks, tanked their adult business and are back hoping to regain faded glory. And they had all the answers. Some have tried to cut it with their own websites and failed. They had all the answers. Many of them are now working for others, and some have even tripped from failed program to failed program. And they had all the answers. Funny that.
Now at Oprano, I would say you are in the company of folks who have ridden the storm and are successful to varying degrees all on their own initiative and are doing well.
Now, what is curious is, they don't seem to have all the answers.
You have to ask yourself Evil....ten years on...where do you fit and why do you think your opinion is more valuable than say......mine?
Just wondering.
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