Which one of you scamming fucks is this?

[Toby]

http://www.dressingforsex.com/images/xsellhell.gif

[gonzo]

Looks like someones NATS report got out into the wild.

[Toby]

Yup, a NATS sponsor that's doing over 90% of their business via cross sales with a 6% chargeback ratio.

[Toby]

If you have some Traffic maybe you can be a Gigolo too!

[gonzo]

If you have some Traffic maybe you can be a Gigolo too!
I think this report is the most complete argument in favor of cross sales....IF you own the program.

As you can see your a fucking FOOL if your sending your traffic to any program using aggresive cross sales as a revenue billing.

Look at the regular joins ratio vs the cross sales joins and can see that the entire site is designed to swallow a credit card and start the rebill cycle.

Prechecked above or below the join page doesnt matter - you end up with a pissed off surfer. And in this economy - why dont some of you self proclaimed millionaires come back and tell me how Im stupid to want to over deliver to a customer again.

Think twice no 3 times about who your sending your traffic to these days!

[Toby]

This scammer was exposed a month ago over at the zoo, but true to form the Bro Club and their minions circled the wagons and turned it into an attack on the whistle blower.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=867499

[Trixie]

Wow. Just . . . wow. Thanks for the stats scaps. I find this stuff particularly hilarious when there are posts over there with people bitching about having to pay models "too much", then you have this sponsor with their "click here and let us spoil you / spoiling webmasters" banner. Basically, let us pay you $40+ every time you send us a sucker we can steal from (and essentially steal from everyone who runs ethical sites, pays webmasters fairly, and would never dream of fucking a customer this way by giving all of us a bad rap).

[Toby]

Traffic Gigolos has confirmed that the caps are their stats. What they are claiming is that it was a rogue cross-sale partner that was responsible. But they refuse to name them publicly.

That's just exactly why this shit continues. It's all kept in the dark.

Calling out the greedy scamming fucks publicly is the only way it's going to get enough attention to make sure it stops.

[gonzo]

Hell yeah!

Rogue Affiliate
Rogue Employee
Rouge Designer

AND NOW!!!!

Rogue Cross Sale Partner!!!

[Trixie]

Ahhhhh . . . as expected, the thread's hidden now.

[Toby]

Ahhhhh . . . as expected, the thread's hidden now.

Yup, the Bro Club strikes again. :thumbdown

[Trixie]

I'm beginning to realize that the only way to maintain access to any important threads is to screen cap them.

[Toby]

To be honest, the best thread on this topic is on Medium Pimpin, which is where I got the cap originally.

http://bbs.mediumpimpin.com/showthread.php?t=77111

[gonzo]

Heres a sample of what you open your credit card up for if you hit any of these scamming fucks.

BGRWEB.NET 8888822605 CY
TONSUPPORT.COM 888-345-0038 GB
CSAXIS.COM 877 889 6514 GREAT BOOKHAMGB
MEGAPASSCS.COM 914-885-9336 GB
CSTVNBILL.COM 8882052664 KN
ASSISTSTER.COM 8665814484GREAT BOOKHAMGB
DEBITSYS.NET 8883013522 GREAT BOOKHAMGB
EWC PAYMENTS PTY LTD DONVALE AU
BLGI-HELP.COM 504-383-8075 GB
NFS-HELP.COM 866-841-2017 ES

Looks like Dee is using this to hide in the phillipines and circulate the crdit card info from his sites as well as his cross sales partners in an effort not only to ding them for porn and anything else that he can get cleare on the bill.

Rumor is that the bank that hold the merchant account has him as stockholder. So hes using all his cross sales bros to snare the credit card information and whoring out those credit card numbers for max charges not only burning his customers but his partners as well.

And AVN has a seminar on effective cross sales. You can bet your ass this wont be covered. But it will be on Oprano.

[Toby]

This rabbit hole goes deep. I would be surprised if VISA (non-US) was aware and looking the other way.

[Toby]

WTF? no edit option. :(

that should be, wouldn't be surprised

[gonzo]

BLGI-HELP.COM - Incredible Dollars
Assistster - Metal Cash
MEGAPASSCS.COM - Pimp Profits
CSAxis.com - Support for bighairybushes.com
BGRWEB.NET - Support for MadisonSweet.com
DEBITSYS.NET - Says it's owned by Impulse Media Group. That used to be the company that sent me checks for SoulCash. The name appears on AdultMovieClub.com now though.

[Toby]

More stats screen caps, shows where the majority of TG's incoming cross sales were coming from. But not who was dinging the cards with phantom charges.
http://www.dressingforsex.com/images/topaffil.jpg
http://www.dressingforsex.com/images/xsllym0.jpg

[Top_Of_Google_Man]

amazing how 3 names keep popping up over the years when bad shit happens.

[gonzo]

amazing how 3 names keep popping up over the years when bad shit happens.

I guess Hoopers toolbar scam ran out a long time ago so now hes working the cross sale angle.

Like I said last year... hes a very influencial guy in this business....just in his case thats not a good thing.

However Dee is making him look like an amateur.

[EmporerEJ]

I'm working waaaayyyy too hard.

[kandah]

I dont see the pic

[Fausty]

The ironic thing, of course, is how consistent the complaints are about filesharing "killing" the online porn business. Is this a murder - or a suicide? One sees situations like this, and the latter explanations starts to seem more and more accurate unfortunately.

Despite having less than zero time to put into such a project, I'm badly tempted to write up a proper case study of affiliate marketing and cross-sales practices in the modern porn business, for use in MBA programs. There's some deep structural questions at play in these evolutionary changes in the industry, and clear parallels to be drawn between them and analogous distribution channel transformations in other eras and other industries.

When I was a kid, I remember my mum would see some interesting business situation and say "I really should write a case study on that" - and she meant it. As one of the first half dozen women ever admitted to Harvard's MBA program, she was more than qualified to do just that. Now I hear myself saying the same things (though I attended Chicago and not Harvard -eek!) and laugh at how we become our parents.

Anyway, out in the world of actual internet users, what prospective customer isn't more than a little bit worried about giving out a credit card number to ANY porn-ish business nowadays? Who knows what kinds of charges will start showing up, or how hard it will be to make them stop? Customer service? Probably outsourced to someone who outsources it to someone else - who then outsources it to the cheapest possible provider - who is then told NOT to allow cancellations. Good luck with that.

When given the choice between that roll of the dice, and the exact same content for free - and no risks of card raping along the way - is it any surprise the decision often veers towards a non-monetary acquisition of porn content nowadays?

As much as self-policing of bad actors in the industry might be an obvious step in turning the tide, it seems relatively hopeless as a standalone strategy - there will always be someone more than willing to enact the "tragedy of the commons" and grab a Pareto sub-optimal solution as long as their bills get paid.

However, another thing folks could do in parallel with efforts at self-policing is to clearly and visibly change how their businesses interact with customers in terms of billing practices: plain language on the website explaining what billing is about - and what we will NOT do to our customers.

There's so much garblespeak on most billing/Terms and Conditions pages of websites that they might as well be written in Sanskrit for the useful information to be found in them. How about this: turn your Terms + Conditions page into a MARKETING document, customer-focused, instead of a bastard stepchild of legalese and banking doublespeak. Just a thought. . .

Regards,

Fausty

[Toby]

Fausty, excellent post. Your Momma didn't raise no fool. :okthumb:

You may be new here, but you've obviously been around the block once or twice. :)