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Rcourt64
03-28-2008, 11:05 AM
As the Internet strips away barriers to Adult Entertainment,
anyone can become a purveyor of porn! :clapping:
Now a Tampa seminar teaches you to do it professionally.


Sometime this weekend, at some sexy, unknown location in Tampa Bay, a woman named Courtney Cummz will show two-dozen prospective adult filmmakers how to make a porno.
The film shoot is part of "Porn Camp," a weekend-long, $4,000-a-head seminar that'll cover everything from porn-star pay scales to set design to proper Web site design.
And at 1 p.m. Saturday, Cummz — the star of such fare as Whack Jobs and Face Invaders — will lead her students on an odyssey of onscreen coitus. They will shoot hard-core scenes, using local actors, and they will own the rights to whatever they film. It could end up on a DVD. It could end up on your hard drive.
It makes sense that Porn Camp will take place in Tampa Bay, given this area's long-standing ties to X-rated entertainment.
But it's also part of a wider trend in the adult film industry: The idea that, with a little training, anyone, anywhere, can be a porn star.
After all, nothing sells like sex. It sells in print, it sells online, and you better believe it sells in Florida.
And just think — you could be the one doing the selling.
• • •
Pornography long ago went mainstream. It's a market worth up to $13 billion, according to trade estimates.
Boogie Nights and The People vs. Larry Flynt are more than a decade old. Knocked Up stars a bunch of guys trying to start a Web site about naked celebrities. Superbad features two teens who debate which porn site to subscribe to.
And just as it's never been easier to be exposed to the porn industry — on the Web, in the multiplex, in the paper you're reading right now — it's never been easier to be a part of it, either.
Over the past couple of years, as the term "user-generated content" has entered the media lexicon, adult entrepreneurs have launched X-rated spins on everything from Flickr (Eroshare) to MySpace (xPeeps). The phenomenon — dubbed, predictably, "Porn 2.0" — has grabbed hold of the industry.
Consider: The hot trend in naughty entertainment is the rise of YouTube-like sites like YouPorn and RedTube, two of the many video-sharing sites that offer free, lengthy X-rated clips to anyone with a decent modem. As of this week, YouPorn and RedTube were the 31st and 47th most popular sites, respectively, on the World Wide Web, according to Alexa Internet, which tracks Web traffic. That's more visitors than Wordpress or AOL.com.
"User-generated content is very much a wave that the entertainment industry is riding right now, both mainstream and adult," said Suzann Knudsen of PornoTube, which launched in 2006. "The content has always been there; only the delivery methods have changed."
So have the participants. Some of the people on these sites are "professionals," people with their own Web sites who want to reel in potential members. Others are true amateurs — John and Jane Does with zero on-camera experience.
"It's sort of along the lines of reality TV and how much of it is manipulated versus how much of it is raw footage," Knudsen said. "It's one of the paradoxes that keeps the industry and the Web 2.0 platform unique."
And as with YouTube, all this user-generated content is making traditional porn producers a little nervous.
"These are people that have been in the business for 25, 35 years and don't know anything about the Internet," says Cummz, 26, who says she earns a six-figure salary acting in and directing pornos. "These people are used to making millions of dollars a year. They don't want anybody to pick up their niche."
One thing PornoTube makes clear: It's a delivery system, not a porn producer. PornoTube's user agreement, which everyone who submits footage must sign, makes it clear that the onus is on you to maintain records regarding age and consent, and they will comply with the feds should any questions arise.
All the more reason for aspiring Jack Horners to know the rules of the game.
• • •
Jokes abound about Tampa's alleged status as the Strip Club Capital of the World.
There's the Mons. The Todd. The spaceship at 2001 Odyssey. Tampa Tushy Fest, starring the estimable Seymore Butts.
Snicker if you must, but Tampa's adult film industry — and Florida's as a whole — is no joke.
An October cover story in the Adult Video News examined Florida's burgeoning role in the adult film biz, crediting a wealth of talent, a permissive attitude toward nudity (especially in South Florida) and a "healthy and vibrant strip-club scene" for creating a de facto "East Coast branch of the San Ferndando Valley's near-monolithic Porn, Inc."
But when it comes to porn, you're not likely to hear local chambers of commerce crowing about industry growth. Hundreds of Florida adult Web sites prefer not to advertise their location, lest they draw the ire of community leaders.
It happened with Voyeur Dorm, a site featuring college-age babes lounging around a West Tampa house. Claiming the site violated local zoning standards, city officials wanted it shut down. Voyeur Dorm argued that the "business" at hand was actually taking place in cyberspace, and therefore not subject to local ordinances, and it won. The city appealed the decision all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, but Voyeur Dorm still came out on top.
Still, conflicts like these are why the adult industry carries on mostly outside the eye of the public. And for amateur pornographers, that can pose a ton of legal problems.
Take the case of Clinton McCowen, a.k.a. Ray Guhn, who ran a few successful adult Web sites from outside Pensacola. In 2006, McCowen was arrested on charges including racketeering, obscenity and prostitution.
Prostitution?
Yep. Authorities say McCowen and partner Kevin Patrick Stevens paid women to have sex on camera, which, when you get right down to it, does sound a lot like prostitution.
But it's not prostitution, say porn advocates. It's art.
Seriously.
"If it has artistic value, then it's not obscene," said St. Petersburg attorney Brandon Kolb, who's running the show at Porn Camp. "You're not hiring people to perform a sexual activity. You're hiring people to perform their interpretation of a theatrical role."
Don't laugh. In 1989, the California supreme court ruled that participants in an adult film were doing it solely for the money, not their own sexual gratification, and therefore couldn't face prostitution or pandering charges.
The case, California vs. Freeman, helped solidify the state's status as a porn mecca. In the years since, officials elsewhere have been loath to pursue similar charges against porn producers, lest their states become similar hotbeds of X-rated action. That's partially what's at stake in the Ray Guhn case, which will go to trial in late June.
"If we get a decision like they got in Freeman," said Larry Walters, McCowen's Orlando attorney, "that would clearly open up the floodgates and allow the creation of adult material without fear of prosecution under prostitution laws."
If that happens, watch out — Florida's under-the-radar porn industry might suddenly take center stage.
• • •
Kolb said he's been stunned by the attention his Porn Camp seminar has gotten so far. Calls from curious attendees came in from as far away as California. The Adult Video News and the popular smut-surfing blog Fleshbot have both written about it.
Cummz, a nudist and former fashion student in Tampa, will cover the production side of things, including Saturday's film shoot. She sees Porn Camp as another step on her way to becoming a director, not just a performer — a goal she's had since signing her first big porn contract three years ago.
"I see women directing out there, and I like what they do, but I think I can do something the way I see porno, the way I enjoy porn," she said.
Her advice for amateurs? "Always respect your talent. Don't treat them like a hooker, you know? Treat them like a person — because they are. And don't try to get anything for free."
Kolb will delve into the legal side of porn, including record-keeping requirements and rules on copyright violations. He won't say exactly where the event will be held, other than that the seminars will take place in a hotel conference room, and "there have been arrangements for a secure place to do the production part."
"Too many people hear 'adult entertainment' and want to just come and be looky-loos," he said. "That's not what the seminar is about."
He believes there's a demand in Florida and around the country for Porn Camp seminars, for people who want to create legit pornography. He's planning his next Porn Camp, and may even try to tie one to Tampa's annual FetishCon convention, which draws 2,000 fans each year.
The market for self-made porn is there, Kolb said. He just thinks people need to be smarter about it.
"When it's talked about, it's talked about as a joke," he said. "But at the same time, just count all the adult businesses in the area. And go back over the past 10, 15 years — other than ones that were put out of business by local government, see how many adult businesses have failed for economic reasons.
"There aren't that many."



By Jay Cridlin (http://www.tampabay.com/writers/article379045.ece), Times Staff Writer
Published Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:49 PM

Rcourt64
03-29-2008, 08:32 PM
How come no one was even interested in this thread? :scratchin:scratchin:scratchin

I found this entire story interesting, and a quick to be a fast content producing training XXX camp?
:bustingup"This iss funnier that rhetorical trying to speaking to me."
...which will snags all so called content under written contract for training material purposes..,:whistling
(and that'll be resold on line, a million times over, even if that damn bitch only made a lousy few hundred bucks with it)
...might possibly be interested in promoting another dollar a dime cam/photo shoot site????

SURF MASTERS in TRAINING NEEDS TO KNOW???...:smily506:
.

icedemon
03-29-2008, 09:33 PM
It's too much for a lot of people to read and who would pay $4,000 to go to "Porn Camp". If the person is too lazy to learn it for free from the internet, then they are probably too lazy to start a adult business.

gonzo
03-29-2008, 09:46 PM
It's too much for a lot of people to read and who would pay $4,000 to go to "Porn Camp". If the person is too lazy to learn it for free from the internet, then they are probably too lazy to start a adult business.
:-pearl:

Rcourt64
03-29-2008, 10:01 PM
Dude? theres nothing to start, these so called porn student are sold all kinds of million dollar get quick buck ideas,
Told tales about how lucrative this adult Internet Industry will created with they're pretty faces. :) bla,bla,bla, and your get the rest of this tale.

And do you consider the quantity of adult performing candidates that exist today willing to "Get Nasty" on film at drop and a dime?

Image having tons and tons of footage created by this 4 G school thru many horny, kinky or desperate couple for some stupid reason join up for...
..sign a release... Then take this SAME EXACT footage and (RE- sell it a million times over "just in different shots/angle "maybe just feet pictures pulled from the original fuck film" fetishes and sell it being created has new content?

But they paid 4 G's? ...to do this and they're loving it? :scratchin

softball
03-30-2008, 12:59 AM
How come no one was even interested in this thread? :scratchin:scratchin:scratchin

I found this entire story interesting, and a quick to be a fast content producing training XXX camp?
:bustingup"This iss funnier that rhetorical trying to speaking to me."
...which will snags all so called content under written contract for training material purposes..,:whistling
(and that'll be resold on line, a million times over, even if that damn bitch only made a lousy few hundred bucks with it)
...might possibly be interested in promoting another dollar a dime cam/photo shoot site????

SURF MASTERS in TRAINING NEEDS TO KNOW???...:smily506:
.

Because JMM and his wife were doing this years ago.

Rcourt64
03-30-2008, 05:09 AM
Because JMM and his wife were doing this years ago.
and this is okey with you??? :blink:

Nymph
03-30-2008, 07:42 AM
I have an idea.....why don't you sign up for this thing, and report all the details back to us? ;)

Rcourt64
03-30-2008, 08:11 AM
I have an idea.....why don't you sign up for this thing, and report all the details back to us? ;)

I dunno? do ya think theres a market for big fat puddie pushing babes?
I understand your a puddie pusher yourself. ;) So what ya think?

tony404
03-30-2008, 12:48 PM
One of the problems is its not user created content, its stolen content.

DannyCox
03-30-2008, 01:34 PM
This isn't new at all, there have been "Porn Camps" going on for years. Back in the 1980's (pre-Internet days!), we were running a Swing Club in Calgary and were part of the NASCA association. We used to get promotional material sent to us from various Clubs and Organizations. At that time, there were a couple of Porn Camps going on, one at a resort in Mexico, and the other at a Swinger/Nudist resort in Florida.

We even had a guy try that in Ontario back in the late 1990's. He did it three years in a row, but since he didn't know a thing about the industry or shooting, it flopped big time.

DragonKing
03-30-2008, 01:44 PM
An Ebook would have the same effect except your seeing porn live in person kinda justifies the 4k$

Whats his face late night Info mercial guy sells his internet packages now. He used to sell his secret to make a million dollars. The secret was, get one million people to send you $1 each..
the cost for this secret? $1

pornlaw
03-30-2008, 02:08 PM
"If it has artistic value, then it's not obscene," said St. Petersburg attorney Brandon Kolb, who's running the show at Porn Camp. "You're not hiring people to perform a sexual activity. You're hiring people to perform their interpretation of a theatrical role."
Don't laugh. In 1989, the California supreme court ruled that participants in an adult film were doing it solely for the money, not their own sexual gratification, and therefore couldn't face prostitution or pandering charges.
The case, California vs. Freeman, helped solidify the state's status as a porn (http://www.americanpornmaster.com/pornotube/pornotube.htm) mecca. In the years since, officials elsewhere have been loath to pursue similar charges against porn (http://www.americanpornmaster.com/pornotube/pornotube.htm) producers, lest their states become similar hotbeds of X-rated action.

It really surprises me when an attorney promotes something he knows is at least questionable legally.

You CANNOT contract for sexual activity in Florida. First Amendment may be a great defense for Ray Guhn, but it cannot be used in contractual relations between private parties.

The Florida courts will not enforce illegal contracts and will find them void.

Freeman only protects content production in California, criminally and contractually.

Michael

www.AdultBizLaw.com

gonzo
03-30-2008, 02:27 PM
It really surprises me when an attorney promotes something he knows is at least questionable legally.

You CANNOT contract for sexual activity in Florida. First Amendment may be a great defense for Ray Guhn, but it cannot be used in contractual relations between private parties.

The Florida courts will not enforce illegal contracts and will find them void.

Freeman only protects content production in California, criminally and contractually.

Michael

www.AdultBizLaw.com (http://www.AdultBizLaw.com)

No offense Michael but Id hire a lawyer for legal advice not on anything else.
The camp is a good idea...however I think its a lot of hype and just fucking overpriced.

Maybe Ill get with Mike South and a few others in Atlanta I know that DO know what they are talking about a run a porn camp.

Rcourt64
03-30-2008, 09:11 PM
So now I gotta ask here? viewing your replies?
What's the difference between this form of producing material? and the difference between them overseas sweat shops? :unsure:
I mean its the same basic system of an illegal abused working system correct?
Have them produce the product or content, pay them shit on the dollar, and then sell it "a la Americana" 100 times over.

Hmmm, :g01: Is that Kathy Lee Gifford involved in this porn camp somewhere?

BuZzZ
03-31-2008, 12:29 AM
I have an idea.....why don't you sign up for this thing, and report all the details back to us? ;)

i second :okthumb:

Toby
03-31-2008, 01:19 AM
i second :okthumb:

2 posts, 7 total letters, three smilies. :nono2:

pornlaw
03-31-2008, 04:06 AM
No offense Michael but Id hire a lawyer for legal advice not on anything else.
The camp is a good idea...however I think its a lot of hype and just fucking overpriced.

Maybe Ill get with Mike South and a few others in Atlanta I know that DO know what they are talking about a run a porn (http://www.americanpornmaster.com/pornotube/pornotube.htm) camp.

None taken and I agree.

Michael

http://www.adultbizlaw.com (http://www.adultbizlaw.com/)

EmporerEJ
03-31-2008, 04:07 AM
It really surprises me when an attorney promotes something he knows is at least questionable legally.

You CANNOT contract for sexual activity in Florida. First Amendment may be a great defense for Ray Guhn, but it cannot be used in contractual relations between private parties.

The Florida courts will not enforce illegal contracts and will find them void.

Freeman only protects content production in California, criminally and contractually.

Michael

www.AdultBizLaw.com

Can we explore that a minute?
While I understand your point about freeman protecting CA production, has there been case law in Florida to back that up? (I really don't know, I'm asking.)

If not, then is there a specific law "outlawing" it?
Even if so, has that been challenged?
(On the theory that no law, is really a law, until a Jury decides it is?)
At what point do we cross the "local jurisdiction/obscenity" line? How much of Florida would be covered?


And all that is off the point of, they shouldn't be running a seminar that isn't based on a secure footing. But I'm sure they snake around that with disclaimers.

boobman
03-31-2008, 05:19 PM
"de facto "East Coast branch of the San Ferndando Valley's near-monolithic Porn, Inc." "


glad im from tampa:okthumb:

pornlaw
04-01-2008, 11:29 AM
has there been case law in Florida to back that up? (I really don't know, I'm asking.)

If not, then is there a specific law "outlawing" it?
Even if so, has that been challenged?
(On the theory that no law, is really a law, until a Jury decides it is?)

No, there's no case law in Florida that I am aware that would protect content production. Ray Guhn could be the first.

Prostitution laws "outlaw" the commercial private trade of sex for money.

Shooting content is a commercial contract of sex for money.

I know of no case other than Freeman that legally protects and defines content production and differentiates it from prostitution.

There very well could be a First Amendment right to content production, but that will probably not factor into a contractual dispute between private parties.

Michael

http://www.AdultBizLaw.com (http://www.adultbizlaw.com/)