Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?

[Dirty D]

No need to ask for the favor, he will be happy to post your real name!

This should be a long thread since Oprano has so many members.

[Forest]

Forest is my real name

=)

[Toby]

Forest is my real name

=)

and Toby is mine. :waving:

[miz_wright]

Howdy, I'm actually Liz.

[Forest]

BBAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

this is too funny

Hey Liz sweety (if thats really your name LOL)

How are ya sweets

[gonzo]

Jim McAnally

[Forest]

so far we are 4-4

I smell a thread backfire

or is that somehting else I smell LOL

;)

[Toby]

so far we are 4-4

I smell a thread backfire

or is that somehting else I smell LOL

;)

I did read something about Gonzo and chili in another thread. :blink:

[Forest]

I did read something about Gonzo and chili in another thread. :blink:

fate?

I think NOT

Chili's then KK on Jim !!!!!

[miz_wright]

BBAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

this is too funny

Hey Liz sweety (if thats really your name LOL)

How are ya sweets

It's really my name, but that's not really my hair in the picture... :P

[vdc-Loki]

NO! I do NOT Want Gonzo telling you people that my name is really Jason! I mean come on people thats what the internet is for, to have a nickname right?

Of course my parents named me vdc-Loki LMAO

so NO! Gonzo do NOT tell people my real name is Jason!!!

-Loki-

[Forest]

It's really my name, but that's not really my hair in the picture... :P

I KNEW IT!!!!!

Hiding behind fake hair

OHHH the DRAMMMAASSSSSSSS

[Sexyteaser]

Shellee is mine and always has been - a whopping 45 years and I have not changed it yet.

[Hammer]

I don't see any of you posting your full names though. Who cares what your first name is, no one can find out where you live based on your first name.

Either post your first and last name or shut the fuck up because he has a point. He produces glory hole content that requires you to fly under the radar if you're smart.

Gonzo claims he posted that information just to ask a question and to see if it was true. Bullshit. You don't post someone's criminal record, their real name and accuse them of not paying their models and then say, Hey, I wasn't saying it was true, I was just wondering.

I'm all for outing programs that cheat but posting unproven allegations just for fun isn't fun.

I don't use my real name in this business because I keep my adult stuff completely separate from my mainstream businesses and I also do it to protect my family. I'm not sure why any of you have a problem with that concept.

[gonzo]

I don't see any of you posting your full names though. Who cares what your first name is, no one can find out where you live based on your first name.

Either post your first and last name or shut the fuck up because he has a point. He produces glory hole content that requires you to fly under the radar if you're smart.

Gonzo claims he posted that information just to ask a question and to see if it was true. Bullshit. You don't post someone's criminal record, their real name and accuse them of not paying their models and then say, Hey, I wasn't saying it was true, I was just wondering.

I'm all for outing programs that cheat but posting unproven allegations just for fun isn't fun.

I don't use my real name in this business because I keep my adult stuff completely separate from my mainstream businesses and I also do it to protect my family. I'm not sure why any of you have a problem with that concept.

I cut and pasted what I was sent.
Ive posted my full name...I dont have a criminal record or Id post it too.
He told me what was up with all of it.

Im not ashamed of what I do. The interviews I do with the press inside and outside of this industry have always used my real name with the handle in quotations. Youve sat on a panel with me where I introduced myself with my real name.

I got nothing to hide nor do I have any shame.

I continue to do mainstream work when the chance arises. I am hired BECAUSE of my experience from this industry.
My parents know what I do. My family knows what I do.

[Toby]

If someone wanted my address and phone number there's more than enough info available right here in this thread for them to track it down fairly easily without needing my last name.

[Forest]

my full name has been posted on this board mannnnyyyyy times

i dont feel the need to repeat it as its already out there here on this board in the media on the internet ect ect

[Sexyteaser]

I don't see any of you posting your full names though. Who cares what your first name is, no one can find out where you live based on your first name.

Either post your first and last name or shut the fuck up because he has a point. He produces glory hole content that requires you to fly under the radar if you're smart.

Gonzo claims he posted that information just to ask a question and to see if it was true. Bullshit. You don't post someone's criminal record, their real name and accuse them of not paying their models and then say, Hey, I wasn't saying it was true, I was just wondering.

I'm all for outing programs that cheat but posting unproven allegations just for fun isn't fun.

I don't use my real name in this business because I keep my adult stuff completely separate from my mainstream businesses and I also do it to protect my family. I'm not sure why any of you have a problem with that concept.
my real name is Shellee Hale and my address is 9009 NE 37th place Bellevue, WA and my neighbors are Ballmer, McCaw, Oki, Turner, etc. Your welcome to verify.

[Hammer]

There's a huge difference between voluntarily telling someone your name or posting your real name and having someone else do it for you. There are a few people in this business that know my real name and Gonzo is one of them. I sure as hell hope they continue to respect my wish to keep that information private.

I really don't care what your name and address is Shellee but one of these days someone might and it might not be for a good reason. The fact that you did this and have kids is disturbing, imo.

[RawAlex]

raw is my real name. So no big deal.

[Hammer]

raw is my real name. So no big deal.
Interesting last name.

[Hammer]

Liz it must be a burden to have such a famous last name. ;)

[Trev]

I find it strange that anyone thats honest in this business would need to keep their identity hidden, but hey thats just me...

[miz_wright]

Liz it must be a burden to have such a famous last name. ;)

Hey, I can't help it that I am Ms. Wright, and I am also a perfect 10 *smirk*


:P

Honestly, the only way I could be more generic is if I had been actually named Jane Smith.

[Dirty D]

I don't see any of you posting your full names though. Who cares what your first name is, no one can find out where you live based on your first name.

Either post your first and last name or shut the fuck up because he has a point. He produces glory hole content that requires you to fly under the radar if you're smart.

Gonzo claims he posted that information just to ask a question and to see if it was true. Bullshit. You don't post someone's criminal record, their real name and accuse them of not paying their models and then say, Hey, I wasn't saying it was true, I was just wondering.

I'm all for outing programs that cheat but posting unproven allegations just for fun isn't fun.

I don't use my real name in this business because I keep my adult stuff completely separate from my mainstream businesses and I also do it to protect my family. I'm not sure why any of you have a problem with that concept.


Wow... Thanks Hammer, how refreshing for someone to actually get it.

Thank you all for your first names, that was extremely brave of you all.

Everyone needs to post their FULL NAME
First name, middle name and last name.
Don't forget your date of birth also.
I can't search for your Criminal Records without this info.

Gonzo posted all of this about me, so why not post about everyone?

The point is that the owner of this lame board does not respect privacy.
Respectable adult msg boards immediately ban people that post personal attacks and personal information.

Here it is encouraged.

[Sexyteaser]

There's a huge difference between voluntarily telling someone your name or posting your real name and having someone else do it for you. There are a few people in this business that know my real name and Gonzo is one of them. I sure as hell hope they continue to respect my wish to keep that information private.

I really don't care what your name and address is Shellee but one of these days someone might and it might not be for a good reason. The fact that you did this and have kids is disturbing, imo.

Well if it wasn't for having sex I wouldn't have any kids... Jeeze you are so easily distrurbed by me.

So Hammer your not allowed to use your real name or have kids and god forbid post public information anyone could find on the internet without disturbing you? I think it's worst to have a split life one person one place and another one another place - it's probably time consuming to keep those lives straight - I find that disturbing. If your doing something wrong then don't do it using a false name to do it will get you in trouble every time.

[softball]

Well if it wasn't for having sex I wouldn't have any kids... Jeeze you are so easily distrurbed by me.

So Hammer your not allowed to use your real name or have kids and god forbid post public information anyone could find on the internet without disturbing you? I think it's worst to have a split life one person one place and another one another place - it's probably time consuming to keep those lives straight - I find that disturbing. If your doing something wrong then don't do it using a false name to do it will get you in trouble every time.

Its a long and venerable Hollywood tradition. BTW, it appears you live just down the I5 from me. We will have to hook up sometime and shoot the shit.

[Toby]

Gonzo posted all of this about me, so why not post about everyone?

You might have a legit beef if all that info hadn't already posted in quite a few place for years now.

[helix]

I prefer to keep my personal info private.

[Dirty D]

You might have a legit beef if all that info hadn't already posted in quite a few place for years now.

So if someone finds your personal info online somewhere else they should post it here.

Excellent logic. Really Genius.

[Toby]

So if someone finds your personal info online somewhere else they should post it here.
Solely for the sake of posting it, no.

However, if I were a high profile player in the biz and there were questions raised about how I do business then, even though I wouldn't like it, I'd have to consider it as coming with the territory.

[gonzo]

Wow... Thanks Hammer, how refreshing for someone to actually get it.

Thank you all for your first names, that was extremely brave of you all.

Everyone needs to post their FULL NAME
First name, middle name and last name.
Don't forget your date of birth also.
I can't search for your Criminal Records without this info.

Gonzo posted all of this about me, so why not post about everyone?

The point is that the owner of this lame board does not respect privacy.
Respectable adult msg boards immediately ban people that post personal attacks and personal information.

Here it is encouraged.

Here the truth is encouraged.

But hey its a lame board so what does it matter right?

[Hammer]

Shellee I'm not going to argue with you because frankly I don't think you have the intelligence to make it worth my time. If you don't care anymore about your children's safety than to post your real name and address on an adult webmaster board where some real sick fucks lurk, then you're an idiot.

As for Tev's comment about being honest, that one escapes me. Because I choose to use a pen name when posting on the boards, that somehow shows that I must be dishonest and have something to hide rather than not wanting everyone in my community knowing what I do. I'm not ashamed of this business but I'll decide who I tell what I do and who I don't.

[Dirty D]

Here the truth is encouraged.

But hey its a lame board so what does it matter right?

Truth and Privacy are different issues.

You could have gotten the truth by asking me.
You chose to create public board drama.... at my expense.

It will not be forgotten.

[Sexyteaser]

Shellee I'm not going to argue with you because frankly I don't think you have the intelligence to make it worth my time. If you don't care anymore about your children's safety than to post your real name and address on an adult webmaster board where some real sick fucks lurk, then you're an idiot.

As for Tev's comment about being honest, that one escapes me. Because I choose to use a pen name when posting on the boards, that somehow shows that I must be dishonest and have something to hide rather than not wanting everyone in my community knowing what I do. I'm not ashamed of this business but I'll decide who I tell what I do and who I don't.

Well if you think that stupidity got me where I am at and your brilliant intelligence has you where your at.... hmmmm I don't know maybe it pays to be stupid. Hammer, I can guarantee you having been a mother for 22 years nothing is happening to my kids because I put up a porn site and if there are really "sick fucks" lurking here send me their names in icq and I will keep an eye out for them in my bushes - you don't even know the ages of my "kids" or if they still live at home to make that judgement.

[gonzo]

It will not be forgotten.

Someone else told me this 5 years ago.
I dont think it worked out the way the thought it would in the end either.

[Hammer]

Can't we all just get along. We're just one big happy family here, right? hehehehehehe :spongebob

[sarettah]

I am also a perfect 10 *smirk*



On what scale???











:yowsa:

[DannyCox]

My real name is public record and easy to find with an Internet look-up of any of my companies. I used to use my real name in the industry, but no one ever remembered who I was! I changed it, on-line and at shows, to Danny Cox to match Carol Cox, and then people knew exactly who I was.

As for privacy, well, that went out the window for us a long time ago. Everyone in our part of town knows who we are, where we live, and who our children are. Luckily we live in a very open and progressive city, so it's really no big deal to any one. I know it would be different if we lived in a Bible Belt area, but luckily, we don't have to deal with that.

Personally, I hate dealing with "nicks" in business. They are fine for a message forum such as this, but when I get involved with someone, I like to deal with the person and not the persona.

[Sexyteaser]

Can't we all just get along. We're just one big happy family here, right? hehehehehehe :spongebob
Hammer, I am just pissed that right when I was going to ask you to build a membership site for me I made your black list.

[Hammer]

Hammer, I am just pissed that right when I was going to ask you to build a membership site for me I made your black list.
C'est la vie.

To respond to your post about your kids, you're right, I don't know how old they are and made an assumption because you're far to youthful looking and beautiful for me to believe you have grown children.

:wankit:

Seriously though, your personal life is none of my business.

[camandago]

Hey Everyone-

I am one of Shellee's KIDS
I am 22 years old and Live on my own. My name is Amanda Hayes. Out of Respect for my roomate I wont post my address on here.
After reading the post from the man aruing with my mother.. here is something for you. My mom has been an amazing mother for the last 22 years. She has taught me so much about life and I am the AMAZING woman I am today because of my mothers guidance. If it wasnt for her INTELLIGENCE and HARD WORK regardless of what business it is in... My family would not have the amazing gifts we have today.
I Understand putting your address on a message board can be dangerous, but in this case her address is everywhere from all the donations and foundations she works with. DO NOT judge my mothers parenting skills. She is 100x better at parenting than most of the people in this business are. THATS A TRUE STORY!!!!!

[gonzo]

Hey Everyone-

I am one of Shellee's KIDS
I am 22 years old and Live on my own. My name is Amanda Hayes. Out of Respect for my roomate I wont post my address on here.
After reading the post from the man aruing with my mother.. here is something for you. My mom has been an amazing mother for the last 22 years. She has taught me so much about life and I am the AMAZING woman I am today because of my mothers guidance. If it wasnt for her INTELLIGENCE and HARD WORK regardless of what business it is in... My family would not have the amazing gifts we have today.
I Understand putting your address on a message board can be dangerous, but in this case her address is everywhere from all the donations and foundations she works with. DO NOT judge my mothers parenting skills. She is 100x better at parenting than most of the people in this business are. THATS A TRUE STORY!!!!!

ITS MY VEGAS WIFE!!!

[miz_wright]

On what scale???



:yowsa:


The fashion scale - a size ten fits my ass perfectly.

Wocka wocka!

[Hammer]

Wow, I can't wait for the day when my girls are old enough to defend me on a porn board... oh wait, yes I can.

[gonzo]

Wow, I can't wait for the day when my girls are old enough to defend me on a porn board... oh wait, yes I can.
Send em to Vegas. I will take them to Delmonicos too!

[Hammer]

Send em to Vegas. I will take them to Delmonicos too!
They'd rather have Krispy Kreme.

[gonzo]

They'd rather have Krispy Kreme.
Not when they get to that age.

Then they want shoes,cars and spa visits.

And Delmonicos.

[Hammer]

Okay, I swore I'd never do this but I've decided to post my real name for the first time ever on a board anywhere.

My real name is Jacque Hammer.

Just think, I bet every one of you thought Hammer was a nickname.

[camandago]

Hammer-
Dont worry about me defending my mom on a porn site. I WOULD DEFEND HER NO MATTER WHAT!!!!
What I respect most about my mom is that she is COMPLETELY honest about what she does and She does it with integrity. If you are so ashamed of the porn business then maybe you should find another career.

GONZO-
Yes it is your vegas wife. When do i get to see my husband again? I am missing you terribly. Love ya,
Amanda

[camandago]

and gonzo... YES i would love some new shoes, some new clothes... and a day at the spa for me and my girlfriend.

[Hammer]

I'm not ashamed but I understand that the majority of the public doesn't want to admit they know us. Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand.

[gonzo]

GONZO-
Yes it is your vegas wife. When do i get to see my husband again? I am missing you terribly. Love ya,
Amanda
Do you need a ticket to Charlotte?

Or Ill be in Atlanta next weekend.

[Sexyteaser]

Wow, I can't wait for the day when my girls are old enough to defend me on a porn board... oh wait, yes I can.

They grow up fast. I have a lot to learn so forgive me for making some mistakes along the way. I desire to consult on some legislation and gain expertise to support consumer protection and affiliate marketing law.

If you had any idea of the three biggest stories that are about to break in this industry you would know that having an advocate might not be a bad idea right now and along the way a few people are making some money off my work so its a win win all the way.

By the way protection just showed up here so I think we are ok for now.

[gonzo]

They grow up fast. I have a lot to learn so forgive me for making some mistakes along the way. I desire to consult on some legislation and gain expertise to support consumer protection and affiliate marketing law.

If you had any idea of the three biggest stories that are about to break in this industry you would know that having an advocate might not be a bad idea right now and along the way a few people are making some money off my work so its a win win all the way.

By the way protection just showed up here so I think we are ok for now.


I used to have an outfit kind of like that.
No cowl though... only a Krispy Kreme hat.

[Hammer]

He's got floppy ears. Are those jammies?

[mmemmer]

Never do anything that you don't want your name attached to or are embarassed by, sign your work with pride and take credit where it is due!

[gonzo]

He's got floppy ears. Are those jammies?
POP IN LAW!

[Sexyteaser]

I'm not ashamed but I understand that the majority of the public doesn't want to admit they know us. Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand.

Hammer - that is only true depending on how you start and how you finish. Ordinary people don't ever do extraordinary things. So it takes great risk to accomplish something big... I like to think big and take risks and fortunately they tend to work out for me.

When I entered this business I was into the second half of my life (if I live to be 90) and had a lot of friends - I don't think one of them has turned their back on me yet over this. In fact - it is the big topic at most gatherings around here and they always want an update. Kasey who was my little sister's best friend whom I have known for 30 years became my partner. Most my friends I have known over 20 years. So I don't have to prove myself but it's no fun doing nothing with your life.

98% of children were a love child and not planned - sex is a natural integral important part of human nature. We are in different times 8 our of 10 children have been exposed to online adult material - some at school and I can't be blamed. But how many people in this business had their kids abducted or harmed - I did not know this was a big issue.

Most parents are calling me for advice and to discuss finding material their teen/kids saw online; so I have actually become a great resource for my community because of this experience.

It's all how you are positioned in your community and the conviction you have for what you do and how you do it. I am really not that stupid.

[camandago]

Hammer-
Thank you for your advice, HOWEVER... I would appreciate it if you were not condecending with me. I may be 22 years old but I work 3 jobs, I am going to school to become a nurse. I have 6 brothers and 2 sisters whom I am extremely close with and am a great example for. I am SOBER and live my life based on integrity. I may be very young on a number scale but I would have to guess that I am more mature than you probably will ever be.

[gonzo]

Hammer-
Thank you for your advice, HOWEVER... I would appreciate it if you were not condecending with me. I may be 22 years old but I work 3 jobs, I am going to school to become a nurse. I have 6 brothers and 2 sisters whom I am extremely close with and am a great example for. I am SOBER and live my life based on integrity. I may be very young on a number scale but I would have to guess that I am more mature than you probably will ever be.
And she has a pretty sweet ass.

[Jace]

i could care less personally

but I know some people hide who they are and what they do, I don't get it, but if that is what they want I try and respect that.....until they purposely don't show me any respect, then it is all fair game

[softball]

i could care less personally

but I know some people hide who they are and what they do, I don't get it, but if that is what they want I try and respect that.....until they purposely don't show me any respect, then it is all fair game Threats. Why do you guys like you always resort to shit like this

[Hell Puppy]

Hi.

My name is Hugh Jass.

[EmporerEJ]

My Real Name has ALWAYS been used:

Eric J. White


I'll be damned if I'm gonna hide under a rock, or be intimidated by people that think the adult industry is a bad thing.

Come get me. I'm easy to find. I'm listed "in the book."

[Forest]

Hammer-
Thank you for your advice, HOWEVER... I would appreciate it if you were not condecending with me. I may be 22 years old but I work 3 jobs, I am going to school to become a nurse. I have 6 brothers and 2 sisters whom I am extremely close with and am a great example for. I am SOBER and live my life based on integrity. I may be very young on a number scale but I would have to guess that I am more mature than you probably will ever be.

you GO girl!

I dont even know you but I like you

;)

[softball]

My Real Name has ALWAYS been used:

Eric J. White


I'll be damned if I'm gonna hide under a rock, or be intimidated by people that think the adult industry is a bad thing.

Come get me. I'm easy to find. I'm listed "in the book."
Emp, you are not exactly in the "adult business". You are a manufacturer. If publishing your real name would hurt your relationship with your loved ones, put you at risk from the local bubba sheriff, put you in danger from stalking fans, or perhaps more to the point, cost you money because of other business interests, you would not be so quick to lose money or endanger any of the above relationships and/or people. JFK tried that shit out on me once at a GFY party, and I am sorry it just doesn't fly. Pseudonyms have been used by everyone from writers to actors. The Nom de plume is a time honoured tradition. This has a lot to do with safety and business and nothing to do with morals or pride. In your line of work, none of this is a threat to you unless perhaps you are putting your bare ass and dick in front of the camera and we don't know about it. In which case, see above.

[softball]

you GO girl!

I dont even know you but I like you

;)
Ooooooh Hammer, you have a worthy opponent here.

[ali25extreme]

My name is Alicia..as far as my last name I have stalkers!!! I am sure that they could find me if they wanted to but I changed my last name to help! I see both sides of this, why to keep it secret and why you should go all out. I am not big into the biz yet..so maybe someday later once I can hire bodyguards I will spill the beans! Until then...:hmm:

[softball]

My name is Alicia..as far as my last name I have stalkers!!! I am sure that they could find me if they wanted to but I changed my last name to help! I see both sides of this, why to keep it secret and why you should go all out. I am not big into the biz yet..so maybe someday later once I can hire bodyguards I will spill the beans! Until then...:hmm:
You will have to be very big in the business to afford bodyguards. Don't get your hopes up. I don't mean that with any ill intent. But unless you get very lucky, it is prolly not an option.

[EmporerEJ]

They'd rather have Krispy Kreme.

Don't count on Gonzo for the Krispy Kremes.....
It's like Charlie Brown's football. He promises to get you the Krispy Kremes, and at the last minute, pulls them out from under you. You go away hungry, with YOUR Krispy Kremes in HIS belly.

[gonzo]

and gonzo... YES i would love some new shoes, some new clothes... and a day at the spa for me and my girlfriend.

Another threesome.
Lance is going to be so jealous again!

[Sexyteaser]

Here is a cute photo of Mandy and Gonzo - and the friend of her's Gonzo ran off.

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[Sexyteaser]

Hammer-
Thank you for your advice, HOWEVER... I would appreciate it if you were not condecending with me. I may be 22 years old but I work 3 jobs, I am going to school to become a nurse. I have 6 brothers and 2 sisters whom I am extremely close with and am a great example for. I am SOBER and live my life based on integrity. I may be very young on a number scale but I would have to guess that I am more mature than you probably will ever be.

Besides all that she just gave a week out of her time to fly to Texas and help build a home for Habitat For Humanity.

[softball]

Besides all that she just gave a week out of her time to fly to Texas and help build a home for Habitat For Humanity.
Holy shit, she could be on the fast track to becoming a saint. If she can turn water into wine, I have work for her. I also have a couple of loaves of bread for her. Just imagine what that could do to feed the hungry in America. What a kid you got there.

[Sexyteaser]

I'm not ashamed but I understand that the majority of the public doesn't want to admit they know us. Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand.

It's Hammertime....

Since you are talking about your personal experience here I guess we conclude that a majority of the public doesn't want to admit they know you. I am older and I do understand.

Here is some of my knowledge Verisign got their start in Adult and easily crossed over with no stigma - its a different world especially with mainstream companies using techniques adult monitized for years there is great opportunity out there and the stigma is lessened - the people still judging seem to be getting caught in hypocritical situations every day.

Now you have bigger problems as large webdesigners and seo companies (organic, widemile, searchrev, etc.) open their markets to adult companies to keep growth. For instance, a mainstream web designer just programmed an adult membership site they billed at over a million dollars. I am sure your 1400.00 clients are a different breed but are you? Are you a million dollar designer or a 1400.00 one? But, I am not smart according to you, yet I could probably get you double what you make now with just two of my contacts. Damn I could probably even arrange a merger/buy if your as good as you say; but I am sure you do this because you love it not for the money. Oh and then there's that list of people you will never to do business with.

But once again if you are concerned about "sick fucks" here and your kids - using an alias or fake name is not going to protect them better than I can protect my kids. It might take the sickos a few more minutes to get the goods on you but your kids are just as vulnerable to the disturbing concerns you have. My guess is your really disturbed about what your doing in this business and raising your kids and took it out on me. Your conflict comes from wanting to keep two seperate lives and we are all just one person no matter how you slice it. It is time to integrate.

I can get anything about anybody within minutes online - that's why the Dirty D thing and everyone questioning the arrest was laughable it was $10 to verify but an arrest record is not a guilt record. I don't think he's going to be too harmed by a repost of a story that had his real name and has been online for 5 years. Funny thing I don't even remember what his real name is and he will always just be Dirty D to me.

OMG a mother daughter tag team all over you... I actually feel bad now, once again I will say that it is my intention to get off your black list and I don't think I am doing a very good job; I am sure I am on the black black list now.

[2MuchMark]

Shellee I'm not going to argue with you because frankly I don't think you have the intelligence to make it worth my time. If you don't care anymore about your children's safety than to post your real name and address on an adult webmaster board where some real sick fucks lurk, then you're an idiot.

As for Tev's comment about being honest, that one escapes me. Because I choose to use a pen name when posting on the boards, that somehow shows that I must be dishonest and have something to hide rather than not wanting everyone in my community knowing what I do. I'm not ashamed of this business but I'll decide who I tell what I do and who I don't.


Well put, Hammer.

I would like to add my own 2 cents here and say that it really doesn't matter if people use their real names here in adult, or not.

Some people chose to use fake names for no reason, while others use it because of the way so many people publicly view the porn industry. Susie homaker likes porn, wants to make porn, but doesn't need the headache of her uppity next door neighbour finding out, at least not yet. Therefore she'll choose a fake name.

When I meet someone at a show with a name such as "Dirty D", "Hammer", "Sleazy", etc, to me, this is THEIR NAME, PERIOD. I won't judge anyone using a fake name in adult, nor will I give any bonus points to anyone who openly declares their real name either. For me, I just don't care.

All I care about is what they do, how they do business, what their product is (or how they can sell mine). That's it!

Regardless, when someone does not want to use their real name, you should respect their wishes. Why? Because it is something they want to keep private. Lots of people here have mainstream businesses, families and other interests to protect.

If you're about to do business with someone in adult, the legal names come out anyway when it comes time to write the check, right? If we are going to write a check to Hammer and his company name is Hammer, Inc, thats good enough for me.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Well put, Hammer.

I would like to add my own 2 cents here and say that it really doesn't matter if people use their real names here in adult, or not.

Some people chose to use fake names for no reason, while others use it because of the way so many people publicly view the porn industry. Susie homaker likes porn, wants to make porn, but doesn't need the headache of her uppity next door neighbour finding out, at least not yet. Therefore she'll choose a fake name.

When I meet someone at a show with a name such as "Dirty D", "Hammer", "Sleazy", etc, to me, this is THEIR NAME, PERIOD. I won't judge anyone using a fake name in adult, nor will I give any bonus points to anyone who openly declares their real name either. For me, I just don't care.

All I care about is what they do, how they do business, what their product is (or how they can sell mine). That's it!

Regardless, when someone does not want to use their real name, you should respect their wishes. Why? Because it is something they want to keep private. Lots of people here have mainstream businesses, families and other interests to protect.

If you're about to do business with someone in adult, the legal names come out anyway when it comes time to write the check, right? If we are going to write a check to Hammer and his company name is Hammer, Inc, thats good enough for me.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

I thought you went away?

Using a fake name does not change who you are or what you do it only makes you look worst when you get found out and your real name and assumed names were used as people think you were hiding something, which is the point of this thread and everwhere it has gone.

Your not hiding anything using a fake name unless your living in the 1980's the internet and technology has made it real easy to figure out who is who.

We discovered that you Mark Prince came on here as Soundslikebullshit to stir things up, but you came up with some lame excuse when you got found out.

Supposedly you called the guy "Soundslikebullshit" (or yourself) you gave the computer to with the mac/ip matching your's and instead of having him come on here and set the record straight he has disappeared. Basic scripts can crawl the internet tracing and pulling up most of what you do online - we can even discover all the Mark Prince 2Much.net failures and victims - what do you have like a 99% failure rate with your clients and you want to brag about all the sales lately. Maybe you should work on improving their success rate before you brag about selling new licenses for something with a 99% chance of failing.

My god, with Video Secrets, Moo Cash, Camz etc any one paying you for anything even a 2Much.net license to be victimzed is throwing money in the toilet. These companies have a much larger payout and actually Pay unlike you and don't charge for a white label.

Esensual networks offers a better platform for a lot less and they don't steal either. And your little mbase thing you use to sell this whole thing if anyone wants to hear the truth about that hit me up on icq or send me a pm and Mark who takes a 35-55% fee to use from both the user and the buyer licensee is the only person that can profit and he randomly changes the percentages even though you have one rate in your contract and then takes months to fix the accounting errors - floating your money to run his company.

I think the coffin with 2Much.net in it is just getting dirt thrown on top of it with all the double talk and lies you post on here - I give you a year before your out of business and I don't think Tracy will bail you out again when she becomes aware of what your really up to. So stop insulting me and go back to bailing your company from sinking. You can say one thing on here but if you are not telling the truth you are going to get found out and are fair game.

[Toby]

We discovered that you Mark Prince came on here as Soundslikebullshit to stir things up, but you came up with some lame excuse when you got found out.


That part deserved some more emphasis. :okthumb:

[Sexyteaser]

That part deserved some more emphasis. :okthumb:

Thanks Toby...

Also I guess this does also


I can get anything about anybody within minutes online - that's why the Dirty D thing and everyone questioning the arrest was laughable it was $10 to verify but an arrest record is not a guilt record. I don't think he's going to be too harmed by a repost of a story that had his real name and has been online for 5 years. Funny thing I don't even remember what his real name is and he will always just be Dirty D to me.

[2MuchMark]

Shellee,

Using a fake name does not change who you are or what you do it only makes you look worst when you get found out and your real name and assumed names were used as people think you were hiding something


Are you fucking kidding me? Do you think for a second that people believe that names used in adult are Real? Of course not! My point was, if I talk with somme on a board or at a convention who intoduces themselves as "Dong" from "Dong Content" or something like that, this is who they are, period! Why should I suspect them of hiding anything?


And very smart of you to attempt to equate Search engines with "Scripts that crawl the net and trace what you do online". Once again Shellee, you don't know a fucking thing. The Bullshit guy is not me. You can believe what you want. I once believed that you were a nice lady, but was proven wrong. Sooner or later you will be proven wrong about this too.

You know Shellee... when I posted in this thread I wasn't even responding to you, but once again, you decide to talk about me. Why can't you ignore me? You must have the hugest fucking hard-on for me or something. This thread is about real names or fake names, and who cares about those names. All I said was that I did not care who used a real name or a fake name here.

You have been in this business for exactly 1 year now (by your own admission too). In that 1 year, you have proclaimed yourself to be an expert on everything. You have at least 10 domain names on your business card and will tell anyone who can stand listening to you talk that each of these are a success when in fact each one is a complete failure. Each of your websites have been nothing but placeholders at best.

You brag, brag and brag some more. You try to make everyone around you who you think has less money than you can get from your husband, feel like shit. You know what? It doesn’t work. We just feel sorry for you.

Your life must be empty because you seem to have a very desperate need to fill in some gaps in your life. You seem to work so hard to try to get people to take you seriously, and to consider you as someone who is an EXPERT in this industry and therefore deserves respect. You work much harder TELLING people how good you are at everything instead of actually becoming good at it. You desperately want people to listen to you when in fact you have nothing interesting to say. You have not "been here, done that", Shellee, but you really want people to think that you have. And when you can’t create an idea on your own, you attempt to steal others ideas and make them yours.

Lets talk about idea theft for a moment. We run a a chat studio and offer to help train our customers who have their own chat studios, FOR FREE. We have been running LiveCamNetwork.com for a while now and we have learned a couple of things. These things we share with our customers. Things like the importance of performers to talk to customers by voice, to look into the camera, to be fun and flirty. These are by no means secrets, but they are important I would say, right? This plus all kinds of other things is what we have learned, and turned into a manual for performers written by LCN Girls AVA, and KEDRA.

Well, when you, Gasbag Shellee Hale, read our manual and talked to the writers of that manual, Kedra and Ava (2 of the best converters by the way), you decided that you were now so much of a fucking EXPERT on what it took to run a successful chat studio the idea that you turned it into a website at http://www.Chatterboxtraining.com, where YOU offer to CONSULT and TRAIN Chat girls for a FEE!. WHAT A FUCKING JOKE! Who the fuck are you now? You're a fucking expert just because you read OUR manual? Who the fuck is going to pay YOU to train them how to chat? Have you ever done an adult chat before (God I hope not!) And do you honestly think that just because a girl is "Certified by Shellee Hale" that she is now some kind of Expert on chatting? Oh wait! This is the great old Shellee Hale! When you fart the whole Internet stinks of it!.

Not only did you steal Ava’s content and attempt to make it your own, but you also took Kedra’s idea when she wanted to start a Content / Chat model seminar at the Qwebec Expo. Here’s a little surprise for you, Shellee, a part of that idea belonged to a good friend of yours too. Bet you didn’t know you were fucking several people over at once, did you?

Shall I mention the stolen content that appeared on your site for a while? How about when I asked you for 3 months to remove pictures of LCN Girl Alexxia that you had on your site because not only had she quit the biz and was no longer chatting (thereby promoting someone who didn't even chat on your website), but you did not even have the rights to display her image? You, the Fucking Expert in Everything that you are, either didn't know how to remove a simple picture, or didn't give a fuck that you had no model release for those pictures in the first place and figured yourself to be such an expert that you could use them anyway. And even worse, that same girl who's images you were using without her permission was the same one who had helped you many times on the phone. Way to stab someone in the back, Shellee. Fuck are you lame.


Let's talk about some other Stolen content. Remember when you jumped in an proclaimed yourself to be a LEGAL EXPERT ON CONTENT and gave the WRONG FUCKING ADVICE on Ynot to a friend of yours who was using content without permission? Your fucking SHIT ADVICE caused the shutdown of your friend’s website, 2 DMCA's, and threat of legal action when all that was necessary was the simple removal of a couple of pictures. Nice going, Shellee Hale. If you give this kind of advice to your friends, I wonder why kind of advice you give your customers (or god - Life-Coach-ee's)?

Someone (I won't say who, but trust me you know who it is) described you as a "bored housewife who seems to be suffering big time from empty nest syndrome". Maybe things are so quiet for you now that you have become so desperate for attention that you make fucking sure (a) that everyone knows you have money (for what? So people will respect you?), (b), that are an expert on everything (for what? So people will think you’re smart?), (c) that you name-drop endlessly (for what? So people will think that you’re “connected”?.

I mean Jesus Christ give us all a break! I know some rich people, I know some politicians, a couple of Rock Stars, and even an actress or two. Do I brag? No! Do I name drop? No!! You know why? Because not only does nobody gives a god-fucking-damn, but I don't feel the need to have to prove what a big cock I have to everyone I meet! I don't feel the need to push everyone "Down" just so I can feel like a BIGSHOT. “I live near Ted Turner! My husband works at Google! I’m Ex Microsoft! I’m a close friend of Hugh Hefner! Bill and I are buds! I’m this! I’m that! I’m friends with everyone! I voted for Bush!! Why won’t you take me seriously? Whaaaa!”.


(And for the record, I'm proud of my 2 inch penis!)

Here's a hint, Shellee. Braggers and name-droppers are insecure little pissants, and everyone can see people like this coming a mile away. You know all those people you've bragged to and name-dropped to? They know you're insecure now. Don't forget that.

You have gone from an "Expert" in people's personal issues, to an "Expert" in the adult industry. Yeah, ok, sure. One of your "Life Coach" sites out there lists you as an expert in Relationship advice, Relationship coach, Personal coach, Home and family". Tell me, Shellee, when did you find the time to become an EXPERT in adult? Or an EXPERT in Technology? Or an EXPERT in law? or an EXPERT in Chatting? Or an EXPERT in traffic? Or an EXPERT in Content?

Oh wait! Now you're an EXPERT at Internet Security, and have an incredible need to tell everyone this too. You spent at least $15,000 promoting Pornafia (wow your husband must love you to keep wasting his money like that!), After 3 months in operation, it has exactly 39 Members. 39!!! It has 319 threads and 424 posts. From who? FROM YOU!!!!!! THEY ARE ALL FROM FUCKING YOU!!!

You know why no one else posts? Why you have no members? Because no one likes to listen to a self-important pompous ass TALK and TALK and TALK!

You love to listen to your fucking self talk so fucking much that you posted over 400 Messages on your own site!!! How PATHETIC is that?? It gets worse! I see that you are now trying to sell advertising on that site. Someone told me that the minimum buy in is $500 a pop.

Here’s some numbers for you Shellee (All provable, sweetheart!)
.

- You have only 39 Members. Wow, that $15k was well spent! Way to go, EXPERT! Where's the proof? You say so on your website!
- Your site is has an Alexa ranking of 4,892,454 ! (For comparison's sake, Oprano is 94,561, while GFY is an incredible 4097). Need Proof? Go to http://www.alexa.com and check for yourself. You know what this means, don't you, expert?So tell me, who the fuck is going to spend $500 to advertise on a website with these kinds of numbers? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

Let’s talk about the unfortunate time we were doing business with you. While you were blaming us for your miserable failure running a chat site Shellee, Our entire team here was desperately trying to tell you the mistakes you were making with your sites, but your head was so fucking full of your own bullshit that you simply had no room to listen to anyone else who's ideas or suggestions contradicted your own. Remember that girl who hired to chat for you who told YOUR customers to either "pay me or fuck off"? Wow, good sales girl she was. She was the same Florida Prostitute who was stealing YOUR customers! Your website page pictures of hot cute girls all over it (the promise), but what you delivered was this big fat slob of a girl who just sat there, ate a fucking sloppy Big Mac on camera, and then gave away her personal address on camera and invited guys to come fuck a fat fold in her gut for $200! I called you late that night to tell you that your performer was breaking the law, breaking our own policies, breaking YOUR own policies, and stealing your customers by asking to be paid by Paypal. What did you do? You ARGUED with me on that one too. Brilliant Shellee, Just brilliant. The state of Florida takes the crime of prostitution pretty seriously, or didn't you know that?


And lets not forget the Old Fat Guys you were trying to offer on your Male / Buff / Cut chat site. We tried very hard to explain the concept of NICHE to you. There is nothing wrong with BBW’s or BEAR content, but you can’t promise Slim / Fit Men and Women as content but deliver the opposite. Greg “Media Guy” Jones tried to explain this to you as well but you just blew him off despite his obvious industry smarts.

Shellee we tried so hard to help you but you threw it all in our faces again and again. You're own "expertise" caused your downfall with ALL of your sites, Shellee. The sooner you take responsibility for your own actions - the sooner you admit to yourself that you're not an expert in all things in the universe, the sooner you begin to listen to others instead of yourself - you may begin to do something.

So listen, Shellee, enough is enough. Stop trying to prove what an expert you are at, ok? Maybe you did a good job raising your kids, I don't know, and I don't care. Stop telling ME how to run my business, and stop telling others what you THINK you know about us (or anyone else). It was cute before but now it's just fucking embarrassing. Stop telling the world that you have PROOF of things like Kedra jumping ship (Wow how embarrassing was that for you! We’re still waiting for your proof on that one! Keep the word KIDS out of your adult site. Don't steal any more of our content or ideas.

(And you really need to stop name - dropping (Whoopee! You live on the same street as Turner! Big fucking deal!). You know why? Because the next time you name-drop to someone, they will remember my little rant here, and they may distrust what you just said. Even worse, you will remember my little rant here too, and when you name drop, you’ll stumble over your words, and sound like an even bigger FAKE than you are now.

Try to do something more creative with your time before you get all bent out of shape obsessing over me before you have a heart attack. Stop insulting me, me, my company, my friends, my employees or even the LCN girls all you want now. You are not worth my time or consideration. Just remember one thing, Shellee. We make a single product, LiveCamnetwork. I am very proud of my company, the people that work here, and the product. LiveCamnetwork is all I have done for many years now and it works well when IN THE HANDS OF SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO MODELS AND TRAFFIC.

Cheers!

[Toby]

Shellee,

...blah blah blah...

Cheers!

Holy Sheep Shit Batman! WTF was all that? You really need to find a hobby to occupy your free time. :rolleyes:

[2MuchMark]

I know!!! God I need a life....

:)

m

[softball]

You have been in this business for exactly 1 year now (by your own admission too). In that 1 year, you have proclaimed yourself to be an expert on everything. You have at least 10 domain names on your business card and will tell anyone who can stand listening to you talk that each of these are a success when in fact each one is a complete failure. Each of your websites have been nothing but placeholders at best.

Is this true? You have been in the business for one year?

[Nymph]

Holy Sheep Shit Batman! WTF was all that? :rolleyes:

This looks like it could go on for awhile...I'll share with ya Toby :corn:

[2MuchMark]

When she came to us last year, she told me she was brand new, and "green". And, in another post in this thread, she says she's 45, and then says


When I entered this business I was into the second half of my life (if I live to be 90)


So um, Happy 46th birthday!

Anyway,

ESEnterprises.com : Created on: 23-Oct-07
ChatterboxTraining.com: Created on: 19-May-07
4realgirls.com: Creation Date: 28-apr-2007
adultfantasycam.com: Created on: 21-Apr-07 (Yet another FlirtForFree redirect. Zzzz)

It goes on...

m

[softball]

When she came to us last year, she told me she was brand new, and "green". And, in another post in this thread, she says she's 45, and then says



So um, Happy 46th birthday!
Wow.....you never know on boards. Some dwarfs walk tall and some giants just well.......carry a big stick.....lol.
BTW, I have never lived near Ted Turner....and just for old time sake kiddies....but it is true, I did have lunch with him. OK, Trev et al...i know Peaches finally crashed....but unleash hell.

[2MuchMark]

This looks like it could go on for awhile...I'll share with ya Toby :corn:

Hi Nymph,

Nah, it won't... I'm so tired of Shellee Hale you have no idea. I'll leave this thread with the following:

Shellee, go ahead and post whatever you want now. I've said my piece. Goodbye, goodluck, whatever.

m

[Sexyteaser]

Well, Mark Prince...

Do you feel better getting that all off your chest? Does it piss you off that some "lowly housewife" finally caught on to your scam and called you out?

Your good friend Michel Plante designed the site you commented on and if anyone stole images or content it was him not me; so - take your beef there. How nice to call your best friend Michael Plante a thief.

Toby - dont you think an honest man would not spend so much time belittling a newbie, making up stories and trolling boards to talk about me unless he is desperately attempting to save face.

When I started this business I had not worked in 10 years and did not have to, but I wanted to - I wanted the challenge and to learn something new. You all can take a look at the projects and sites we have worked on the last 9 months and if anyone wants to comment on the comparison to their first nine months then lets do apples to apples.

[softball]

Hi Nymph,

Nah, it won't... I'm so tired of Shellee Hale you have no idea. I'll leave this thread with the following:

Shellee, go ahead and post whatever you want now. I've said my piece. Goodbye, goodluck, whatever.

m

Don't go Mark. This is the best thread on Oprano in....well....awhile anyway. Their must be a certain pride in ownership.

[Mediaguy]

Is this true? You have been in the business for one year?

Shellee's been in this business less than a year.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SEXYTEASER.COM
Created on: 20-Apr-07
Expires on: 20-Apr-09
Last Updated on: 26-Dec-07

That was her first adult domain and she asked us if she should register it... I said yes, and that was the last advice she took...

[softball]

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/oprano.com?q=

[2MuchMark]

Well, Mark Prince...

Your good friend Michel Plante designed the site you commented on and if anyone stole images or content it was him not me; so - take your beef there. How nice to call your best friend Michael Plante a thief. .

Um, no Shelle.. nice try at deflecting once again though. Good luck with that.

[softball]

I see that Shelee was a contributor to the Bush Cheney campaign. 'nuff said for me.

[2MuchMark]

Don't go Mark. This is the best thread on Oprano in....well....awhile anyway. Their must be a certain pride in ownership.

Hi Rhet,

Sorry! I didn't mean that I was leaving Oprano (Did Gonzo just slump into his chair and sigh?) I meant that I wasn't going to reply to Shellee's posts anymore. (Which I just did. Dammit!) Oh well. Must...punch..myself..in..the..balls!!! argh. ;)

Cheers!

m

[Sexyteaser]

When she came to us last year, she told me she was brand new, and "green". And, in another post in this thread, she says she's 45, and then says



So um, Happy 46th birthday!

Anyway,

ESEnterprises.com : Created on: 23-Oct-07
ChatterboxTraining.com: Created on: 19-May-07
4realgirls.com: Creation Date: 28-apr-2007
adultfantasycam.com: Created on: 21-Apr-07 (Yet another FlirtForFree redirect. Zzzz)

It goes on...

m

Mark - if your comments are so credible why would you pick the worst of 20 sites we have? www.esenterprises.com (http://www.esenterprises.com) has screen shots and links to all the sites I have put together and are working on - why don't you show us how one of your successful affiliates is promoting you? These i-frames and promotional tools are provided and are proven to work so take your beef up with the affiliate managers for each of the programs we promote if you have a problem.

Absolutely we are using the url's I own and have splash pages etc just to make use of them - I have 286 urls related to adult and there is parked splash pages with links to programs for which I promote on many of them. Why is this a problem for you?

[Toby]

Must...punch..myself..in..the..balls!!! argh.

Where's Vittoria? She could help you with that. :okthumb:

[Mediaguy]

Don't go Mark. This is the best thread on Oprano in....well....awhile anyway. Their must be a certain pride in ownership.

Oh My Christ this had me laughing for a few minutes - thank you! - I swear we're not paid or in any way in cahoots with Gonzo btw,,,

[Sexyteaser]

Shellee's been in this business less than a year.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SEXYTEASER.COM
Created on: 20-Apr-07
Expires on: 20-Apr-09
Last Updated on: 26-Dec-07

That was her first adult domain and she asked us if she should register it... I said yes, and that was the last advice she took...

I owned that domain before I ever met you or even knew of you.. Fuck off

[softball]

Where's Vittoria? She could help you with that. :okthumb:

Ah yes Vittoria. Remember all those girls that were trolling here and promised to stay and contribute and I was a piece of shit for calling them opportunists? But everyone believed them because they were girls showing their tits. Where are they now? Wait till the next convention rolls around and they come back. Sometimes I just can't believe how adult web professionals fall for that shit.....

[2MuchMark]

Oh my god HAHAHAHA SHellee. Just fuck off already... Hahahahahaa this is way too fucking funny....

[Sexyteaser]

Um, no Shelle.. nice try at deflecting once again though. Good luck with that.

How am i responsible for something you and Michael Plante designed for me? I am deflecting - no don't think so. Anyone that looks would see the site was done by Michael Plante and I didn't provide him with the images YOU did. - you can f*** off also.

[2MuchMark]

Where's Vittoria? She could help you with that. :okthumb:

Actually I was hoping aebnliz could take care of it for me. Mmmm..

:yowsa:

m

[softball]

So, Shellee, I have to ask you this. Straight out. No bullshit. How long have you been in the internet porn business?

[2MuchMark]

How am i responsible for something you and Michael Plante designed for me? I am deflecting - no don't think so. Anyone that looks would see the site was done by Michael Plante and I didn't provide him with the images YOU did. - you can f*** off also.


Um, its spelled FUCK off....

Michel used images of Alexxia when she was chatting. When the girls stop chatting, we remove their images. I told you in September 07 that Alexxia was (a) gone, and (b) did not want you to use her images anynore since she did not want to appear on your website (and soon after, Kedra also said she no longer wanted to appear on your website).

Then in October I asked you again to remove the images, twice! And each time, you refused.

Did you have the model release of Alexxia? No. Did you have her permission to show her images after she left your site? No. Did you have our permission to use her images? No. Unless you have PROOF to the contrary, you have once again shown that you don't know sweet fuck all about anything.

m

[Sexyteaser]

I see that Shelee was a contributor to the Bush Cheney campaign. 'nuff said for me.

Yes - I was but not the second time around. I tend to make more money when there is a Republican President.

[Sexyteaser]

Um, its spelled FUCK off....

Michel used images of Alexxia when she was chatting. When the girls stop chatting, we remove their images. I told you in September 07 that Alexxia was (a) gone, and (b) did not want you to use her images anynore since she did not want to appear on your website (and soon after, Kedra also said she no longer wanted to appear on your website).

Then in October I asked you again to remove the images, twice! And each time, you refused.

Did you have the model release of Alexxia? No. Did you have her permission to show her images after she left your site? No. Did you have our permission to use her images? No. Unless you have PROOF to the contrary, you have once again shown that you don't know sweet fuck all about anything.

m

Please contact Michael Plante for any issues you have with stolen content or images or documentation he should or should not have to do the design work and use images - He is a professional web designer that you recommended and introduced to me; so I would not have expected he would make this kind of an error.

[Sexyteaser]

So, Shellee, I have to ask you this. Straight out. No bullshit. How long have you been in the internet porn business?

Since April 20, 2007.

[2MuchMark]

Yes - I was but not the second time around. I tend to make more money when there is a Republican President.



HO-LY SHIT!!!! I .... I don't know what to say to this.... I feel, so warm and fuzzy right now...and sick... and somehow not surprised...

[2MuchMark]

Please contact Michael Plante for any issues you have with stolen content or images or documentation he should or should not have to do the design work and use images - He is a professional web designer that you recommended and introduced to me; so I would not have expected he would make this kind of an error.


Did I say he used it in error? No. Did he have permission to use the image? Yes. I am talking about the 3 times I asked you to remove her images because (a) the license to use the image expired, and (b) she didn't want you to use her image, and (c) because you had not paid for the image or had documentation proving your ownership of the image. Geezuz!

Shellee, Besides any rights to images,legal, whatever, its just common curtosy. If someone asks you to please stop displaying an image on your site, even if you "own" the image, you just stop. Why? Because no one is out to fuck anyone out of anything, especially a model. Everyone in adult depends on the chat models to help make them money. You're decision to use a girls' images when everyone involved was asking you to stop, is just another example of who the real Shellee Hale is.

[Mediaguy]

Mark - if your comments are so credible why would you pick the worst of 20 sites we have? www.esenterprises.com (http://www.esenterprises.com) has screen shots and links to all the sites I have put together and are working on

Are you kidding?

Go to www.esenterprises.com (http://www.esenterprises.com) yourself... first of all there's sixteen (16) sites listed...

Second they're all under construction as they have been since you registered this domain.

Some of them are plug-ins from other site as if you couldn't be bothered to set up your own...

So what are your big rev sites? You keep talking about them....

[Toby]

Dayyyyummm, had to go get more :corn:

[2MuchMark]

Dayyyyummm, had to go get more :corn:

:)

More beer here. Toby, would you like one?

m

[Mediaguy]

Dayyyyummm, had to go get more :corn:
Me too... i don't use the microwave stuff so I had to switch to beer...

[Sexyteaser]

Did I say he used it in error? No. Did he have permission to use the image? Yes. I am talking about the 3 times I asked you to remove her images because (a) the license to use the image expired, and (b) she didn't want you to use her image, and (c) because you had not paid for the image or had documentation proving your ownership of the image. Geezuz!

Shellee, Besides any rights to images,legal, whatever, its just common curtosy. If someone asks you to please stop displaying an image on your site, even if you "own" the image, you just stop. Why? Because no one is out to fuck anyone out of anything, especially a model. Everyone in adult depends on the chat models to help make them money. You're decision to use a girls' images when everyone involved was asking you to stop, is just another example of who the real Shellee Hale is.

Well - I called Michael Plante when you made the request since he was the web designer and he said he talked to you - So, you need to take this up with him.

Additionally I responded to you via email that since I paid YOU for custom web design as well as paid Michael you really had the responsiblity to remove the image if it should not be there per our contract. Would you like me to post our contract?

[Sexyteaser]

Are you kidding?

Go to www.esenterprises.com (http://www.esenterprises.com) yourself... first of all there's sixteen (16) sites listed...

Second they're all under construction as they have been since you registered this domain.

Some of them are plug-ins from other site as if you couldn't be bothered to set up your own...

So what are your big rev sites? You keep talking about them....

Does anyone know what he's talking about - all the sites are under construction?

Why don't we go back to talking about the 70+ sites that failed with 2much.net

I will file my first corporate return soon, I will post mine if you post yours?

[Mediaguy]

I owned that domain before I ever met you or even knew of you.. Fuck off

But... that post and the whois info proves you're full of shit...wtf lady wakeup...

[2MuchMark]

Well - I called Michael Plante when you made the request since he was the web designer and he said he talked to you - So, you need to take this up with him.

Additionally I responded to you via email that since I paid YOU for custom web design as well as paid Michael you really had the responsiblity to remove the image if it should not be there per our contract. Would you like me to post our contract?


Wow - you don't read at all, do you? Let me type this out more slowly for you.

You HAD the right to use the images, until:

- You No Longer had the right to use those images. Alexxia asked you nicely to remove the pictures, and you ignored her.

- The images were useless since Alexxia no longer wanted to appear on your site (and you were therefore promoting someone who would never chat on your site again).

At first I told you that you should remove the images, since they were now useless. How can you make money promoting a girl who no longer exists on your website?

Then I told you that you REALLY should remove the images, because people clicking through to chat portions of your site looking for Alexxia were not finding her, and leaving, costing you business, traffic and bandwidth.

Then I told you once again that Alexxia who was pretty mad at you already, was now pissed because her images were still on your site.

I then told you to give me an image of ANY other girl that was working for you, or any image that you owned, and that I would replace Alexxias pictures for you, Free of charge.

I asked you this several times Shellee, but you brushed off the requests again and again. Professional, thats you alright.

m

[gonzo]

Damn I woke up from a nap for this?

[2MuchMark]

Why don't we go back to talking about the 70+ sites that failed with 2much.net



And once again, Hale #45 attempts to deflect the shot. Epic Fail!

[Mediaguy]

Does anyone know what he's talking about - all the sites are under construction?

Why don't we go back to talking about the 70+ sites that failed with 2much.net

I will file my first corporate return soon, I will post mine if you post yours?

Hey

(sorry i have to stop laughing)

We aren't repsonsible for the site/s our software powers - you have to manage your own business.

[Sexyteaser]

But... that post and the whois info proves you're full of shit...wtf lady wakeup...

Proves what? That the url was your idea - don't think so and if you came up with that name you are lying and I now will challenge you and Mark to a polygraph test... lets get this over with and see who is really being truthful.

[Sexyteaser]

Wow - you don't read at all, do you? Let me type this out more slowly for you.

You HAD the right to use the images, until:

- You No Longer had the right to use those images. Alexxia asked you nicely to remove the pictures, and you ignored her.

- The images were useless since Alexxia no longer wanted to appear on your site (and you were therefore promoting someone who would never chat on your site again).

At first I told you that you should remove the images, since they were now useless. How can you make money promoting a girl who no longer exists on your website?

Then I told you that you REALLY should remove the images, because people clicking through to chat portions of your site looking for Alexxia were not finding her, and leaving, costing you business, traffic and bandwidth.

Then I told you once again that Alexxia who was pretty mad at you already, was now pissed because her images were still on your site.

I then told you to give me an image of ANY other girl that was working for you, or any image that you owned, and that I would replace Alexxias pictures for you, Free of charge.

I asked you this several times Shellee, but you brushed off the requests again and again. Professional, thats you alright.

m

Mark produce this request or I will share the real emails.

[2MuchMark]

I now will challenge you and Mark to a polygraph test... .



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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
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Oh my god dude She's got us!

[Sexyteaser]

Hey

(sorry i have to stop laughing)

We aren't repsonsible for the site/s our software powers - you have to manage your own business.
So it's not in your interst for them to succeed or your just really good at picking people destined to fail no matter how hard they try.

[2MuchMark]

Mark produce this request or I will share the real emails.


Don't threaten me you fucking idiot. If you're going to post the email then be my guest, just be damn sure you post ALL of them. And don't forget to post the several phones call to you too asking for the same thing.

[softball]

Dayyyyummm, had to go get more :corn:
I kinda feel like Serge Oprano here, I just had a nice Cahors big fat red and this is a most interesting thread. However, someone that has been in the business less than a year, with this much bravado is breath taking. Shellee, you should be listening, not talking. I don't know Mark, but I do know most of the others here, and apart from maybe Rcourt, you have the least experience of anyone. You don't even have the experience to understand that you don't have the experience and Mark is chewing you up and spitting you out and you don't even know it. This is kinda like david and goliath, but you don't have any rocks to throw. You need to learn a little humility girl. But that is just my humble opinion and I have only been doing this for a short while.

[2MuchMark]

So it's not in your interst for them to succeed or your just really good at picking people destined to fail no matter how hard they try.


Shellee as I said a bazillion times, we all tried very hard to help you to succeed with your chat site. It is not our fault if you ignored virtually every damn thing we tried to teach you.

What did we try to teach you? We tried to teach you

- To go slow. Take your time, and learn about the business.

- Hire 1 model at a time, and train her very carefully.

- Promote what you've got. If you're going to have red-haired girls chatting on your site, promote red-haired girls. Don't use super-models with perfect figures of you're going to have Big-Mac Scoffing bitches.

- Monitor your traffic. Learn to read the stats.

- Choose Keywords VERY carefully. 10,000 hits a day for "free sex" will not translate into $10,000 a day, or even $1.00 per day.

I can go on and on but you get the point. Or probably, you don't.

I'm sleepy....

m

[Mediaguy]

Does anyone know what he's talking about - all the sites are under construction?

Why don't we go back to talking about the 70+ sites that failed with 2much.net

I will file my first corporate return soon, I will post mine if you post yours?

Ok I'm not even mad now I'm just laughing... are you kidding?

this is silly though but... okay, if your insist:

ALL YOUR SITES ARE IN CONSTRUCTION (which means the billing companies won't approve them until they're done)


Hey should i list them?

[moetheman]

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot.

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

[2MuchMark]

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.


Hi Moetheman,

As anyone will tell you, I like to learn.

Will you sir, please, PLEASE tell me how you can get my Mac Address? Even better, can you please post my MAC Address right here, right now?

I am looking at my mac address right now. Please prove to me (and everyone else here) that (a) you know what you're talking about, and (b) that a Mac address is obtainable.

I will even give you a head start. My IP address is 205.150.5.126.

If you can obtain my mac address I will be completely impressed, and shut the hell up about Mac addresses in the future. Even better I will post a huge-assed apology to you for doubting you, and then french-kiss Media guy because Hey - he's one sexy, sexy man.

3...2...1.... BEGIN!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Mediaguy]

So it's not in your interst for them to succeed or your just really good at picking people destined to fail no matter how hard they try.
Yes it is in our interest.

In you, we failed...

and now we're stuck with your brand of mental illness... please take care of yourself - i know there's moments where you know what I mean...

[moetheman]

Hi Moetheman,

As anyone will tell you, I like to learn.

Will you sir, please, PLEASE tell me how you can get my Mac Address? Even better, can you please post my MAC Address right here, right now?

I am looking at my mac address right now. Please prove to me (and everyone else here) that (a) you know what you're talking about, and (b) that a Mac address is obtainable.

I will even give you a head start. My IP address is 205.150.5.126.

If you can obtain my mac address I will be completely impressed, and shut the hell up about Mac addresses in the future.

3...2...1.... BEGIN!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Ridiculous response, and a pathetic attempt at drawing attention away from the points I raised, which were - in case you still did not get them - that you are awful ignorant (for not knowing something as elementary as that, and resorting to Wikipedia for a reference LOL) and idiotic (for concluding that others are as ignorant as you are when denying that Gonzo caught you posting under another user account) to be calling someone a fucking idiot.

You are pathetic kid, you obviously are not even capable of seeing that you are digging your own grave business wise with all this being verbally abusive and disrespectful toward a woman, who is a FORMER CLIENT of yours . . . it's almost painful to watch you do it . . . you really do think that others cannot see right through you, you really do . . . amazing.

(YAWN)

Get your MAC address so I can impress an ignoramus such as yourself? PLEASE MAN. Quit humiliating yourself . . .

(YAWN)

Now go on, keep talking more shit, while attempting to avoid the points I brought up, go on, you are awful predictable you know . . .

[Sexyteaser]

Ok I'm not even mad now I'm just laughing... are you kidding?

this is silly though but... okay, if your insist:

ALL YOUR SITES ARE IN CONSTRUCTION (which means the billing companies won't approve them until they're done)


Hey should i list them?

what billing companies? These are not paysites except www.mrbulge.com (http://www.mrbulge.com) which was programmed by webscribbles and we don't plan on billing customers for awhile so feel free to grab a free membership.

[Sexyteaser]

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot. If you're going to post the email then be my guest, just be damn sure you post ALL of them. And don't forget to post the several phones call to you too asking for the same thing.

Ok well then why was this my fault or responsibility when I had paid you for Website Support Services as well as for Custom Web Design for a full year in our contract... Why do you not have the releases for these girls images that you used? REFUND my money for designing with stolen content or unauthorized images. You can see page 4 of 20 of our contract here http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg (http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg)

[Sexyteaser]

Shellee as I said a bazillion times, we all tried very hard to help you to succeed with your chat site. It is not our fault if you ignored virtually every damn thing we tried to teach you.

What did we try to teach you? We tried to teach you

- To go slow. Take your time, and learn about the business.

- Hire 1 model at a time, and train her very carefully.

- Promote what you've got. If you're going to have red-haired girls chatting on your site, promote red-haired girls. Don't use super-models with perfect figures of you're going to have Big-Mac Scoffing bitches.

- Monitor your traffic. Learn to read the stats.

- Choose Keywords VERY carefully. 10,000 hits a day for "free sex" will not translate into $10,000 a day, or even $1.00 per day.

I can go on and on but you get the point. Or probably, you don't.

I'm sleepy....

m


I did learn you are a scammer and you stole money from me at every turn changing percentages and fees and trying to charge for stuff included in my contract etc... You still owe me $2000.00 for telling me how great I was doing and should upgrade my license which I did not agree to and you took the money any way - Now you say I was doing shitty and have criticism about what I did do and learn but it was anther story when you wanted me to write you a check.

I had the traffic brokers call and tell me to stop buying traffic to your site because they had a $20K a month client accuse you of stealing it. The funny thing is right before that call you sent me an email telling me I had to start buying traffic from you.

[2MuchMark]

Moetheman:

Sorry dude, but look. You are the one saying that MAC ADDRESS tracking is all over the place. I am only asking you how you know that? I am asking you to prove it? There's no reason to be hostile. If I've made you mad, I'm sorry.

If you can get anyone's MAC address over the Internet, how can you do it?

I really don't think that you can do this. No reason to get mad at me.

TCP/IP networks use both the IP addresses and MAC addresses of connected computers. A computer's assigned IP address changes over time, but the MAC address of the computer network adapter is fixed.

It is usually not possible for a person to get the MAC address of a computer from its IP address alone. These two addresses originate from different sources. Simply stated, a computer's own hardware configuration determines its MAC address while the configuration of the network it is connected to determines its IP address.

However, computers connected to the same TCP/IP local network can determine each other's MAC addresses. The technology called ARP - Address Resolution Protocol included with TCP/IP makes it possible. Using ARP, each computer maintains a list of both IP and MAC addresses for each device it has recently communicated with.

Most computers allow you to see the list of IP and MAC addresses that ARP has collected there.

In Windows, Linux and other operating systems, the command line utility "arp" shows this information. Using "arp," you can in fact determine the MAC address of some computers from their IP address. ARP works only within the small group of computers on a local area network (LAN), though, not across the Internet. ARP is intended for use by system administrators and is not generally useful as a way to track down computers and people on the Internet.

So then, I repeat the question. Please tell me how you, a person connected to me only via Internet (WAN), can obtain my MAC address when it is only available to other machines inside my local area network.

Here is 1 way to do it. If I wanted to get your Mac address, I could get you to download a program to your computer, and run it. (The MAC address is easily obtained from any program running on your machine). This program could then broadcast (via sending a message, Posting, or send an email) to me with your MAC address.

I however, could not sit here, and run a magic program, enter your IP address, and grab your Mac address. I'm sorry, but AS FAR AS I KNOW BECAUSE I AM NO NETWORK EXPERT HERE, I do not THINK that this cannot be done.

I am not trying to put you on the spot dude, I'm sorry. I am just asking you (or anyone) to show me how to get a Mac address of any machine on the Internet.

Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Hell Puppy]

This thread brought to you by....

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[2MuchMark]

No Shellee,

You are wrong on all of these points. We already credited you when you asked for it. And if you recall, you also took very quick advantage of an ommission in our contract and forced us to give you even more credit which you did not deserve in my opinion, but that we gave to you anyway. Please go back to your copies of your account statement with 2Much to verify this.

In addition, we never demanded that you buy traffic from us. We had purchased 500,000 clicks from a reputable pay per click broker and obtained a discount which we offered to pass on to you and our other clients. Not only was the traffic very targeted, but included stats and a method for you to manage the traffic via keywords that you could have selected.

Mark Prince

[2MuchMark]

Ok well then why was this my fault or responsibility when I had paid you for Website Support Services as well as for Custom Web Design for a full year in our contract... Why do you not have the releases for these girls images that you used? REFUND my money for designing with stolen content or unauthorized images. You can see page 4 of 20 of our contract here http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg (http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg)

Shellee,

Quick question: I don't ever recall having PINK contracts. What are you up to anyway?

Anyway, You purchased a license to use our software. You did not purchase the use of the images of our girls or their model releases.

When you add girls to your website via our Mbase system (http://www.2much.net/mbase.html) you have the right to use their image because (a) the webmaste the girl works for is allowing it by adding her to mbase in the first place.

When that webmaster unshares that girl from mbase, or that girl quits or whatever, then you no longer have the right (nor the need) to continue to display that girls picture.

You were asked at least 3 times in 3 months to stop doing what you were doing, because it aided no one (especially not you), was disrespectful to the talent, etc. There is nothing in our contract that guarantees the use of any chat model's pictures on your website unless we sell you the rights to that image, AND you have the valid 2257 info, Model Release, etc etc.

What if the feds had knocked on your door and asked you for her 2257 info? What would you have done then?

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[2MuchMark]

Here is what Shellee is talking about by the way....


http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg




Does anyone else here see anything about the rights to the use of images of any performers? I sure don't! And by the way Shellee, once again, why did you color our contract PINK? WTF?

[Dirty D]

This board is a fucking train wreck.
First Gonzo posts my real name...
Then the majority of the lemmings on here think that is just fine...
I still have not seen anyone post their first name, last name and birthdate...
Gonzo says it's cool to post personal information here especially if you can find it elsewhere on the net and copy/paste it here.

Cmon everyone and help make Oprano THE place for personal attacks and a library of personal information.

[moetheman]

Moetheman:

Sorry dude, but look. You are the one saying that MAC ADDRESS tracking is all over the place. I am only asking you how you know that? I am asking you to prove it? There's no reason to be hostile. If I've made you mad, I'm sorry.


Nice try. Made me mad? I'm yawning here . . . as can be seen in my previous post.


If you can get anyone's MAC address over the Internet, how can you do it?

I really don't think that you can do this. No reason to get mad at me.


I'm not here to give you lessons, Jack.

The original point was, and still is, that you denied (out of ignorance and stupidity as I mentioned above) that MAC address tracking is even possible, upon being notified by Gonzo that he had caught you posting under another account by comparing MAC addresses.


So then, I repeat the question. Please tell me how you, a person connected to me only via Internet (WAN), can obtain my MAC address when it is only available to other machines inside my local area network.


No one was talking about someone being connected to you in that fashion, and you know this.
The scenario being discussed was you connected to a web application that is configured to track MAC addresses. Which is how you were caught posting under an account other than the one you are using in this thread.


I however, could not sit here, and run a magic program, enter your IP address, and grab your Mac address. I'm sorry, but AS FAR AS I KNOW BECAUSE I AM NO NETWORK EXPERT HERE, I do not THINK that this cannot be done.


No one said that was the case . . . that's laughable.


I am not trying to put you on the spot dude, I'm sorry. I am just asking you (or anyone) to show me how to get a Mac address of any machine on the Internet.


Put ME on the spot? You are the one that has just showed the world that:

You are ignorant. This is basic stuff.

You are stupid. You assumed others are as ignorant as
you are.

You started talking shit on another thread under an
account other than the one you are using now, were
caught by the board owner, attempted to deny it based
on technological grounds, and don't have the balls to admit to it.

Be a man, admit it.

[Dirty D]

I recognize lots of people giving advice that have never earned shit online.
Not all are newbies either, many have been lurking for years and still don't earn shit.

Here is a bit of advice from someone that has been making LOTS of money online for 12 years.

This is not the place where any money is made.
Work on your business instead of posting on message boards.

[Sexyteaser]

No Shellee,

You are wrong on all of these points. We already credited you when you asked for it. And if you recall, you also took very quick advantage of an ommission in our contract and forced us to give you even more credit which you did not deserve in my opinion, but that we gave to you anyway. Please go back to your copies of your account statement with 2Much to verify this.

In addition, we never demanded that you buy traffic from us. We had purchased 500,000 clicks from a reputable pay per click broker and obtained a discount which we offered to pass on to you and our other clients. Not only was the traffic very targeted, but included stats and a method for you to manage the traffic via keywords that you could have selected.

Mark Prince

But if I am so stupid how could I ever take advantage of a brilliant man like you?

By the way here is the traffic demand email you sent...
Mark,



----- Original Message ----- From: Shellee Hale (shelleehale@msn.com)
To: Mark Prince (markprince@2much.net)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Idea...



Mark,

Your offer makes no sense. You state:

If you do not follow our advice and
do not advertise your site, then we will not help you for free as
described in "Part 1".

But Part 1 states:

Part 1:
Get CCBill to approve your websites. Send us your CCBill Username
and password and we will install your account on both websites for
you at a cost of $250.00 per website. You cannot make money for
yourself or for us without the ability to bill your clients. Your
previous sub-account is no longer available and cannot be
re-installed, sorry.

There is nothing free in Part 1. Also, this does not mean that our current contract is invalid and there are still outstanding monies that are due me until you provide the amended contract.

Please refund the $1000.00 per website and then charge the $250.00 to install ccbill and then email me the suggestion you have from

Part 3.
Advertise your website.
Greg Jones and I will have a meeting this week and review your site,
your performers and your current traffic. We will then make some
suggestions for you that you MUST follow, including the purchase of
some Pay Per Click Traffic from 2Much as well as from other
sources, and other advertising avenues. The cost for these services
will come out of your pocket. If you do not follow our advice and
do not advertise your site, then we will not help you for free as
described in "Part 1".

[2MuchMark]

Moetheman,

Let's be clear on this. I'm not that person, period, and that the "proof" that it was me is by my Mac Address. Not only do you believe him, but you also claimed earlier that Mac Address tracking is common.

Am I a networking guru? No. I am saying that Obtaining a Mac Address via the Internet is impossible, unless an application is installed on a PC which broadcasts that mac address.

If you are not a networking expert and cannot prove me wrong, then thats ok. Whoever you are, I don't hate you for it. Please, dude, chill a sec..

... but if there is a networking expert reading this who can show me how it is done, I would REALLY like to know how. From what I have read (yes on Wiki), it is impossible. Could I be wrong? Hell yes. I'm sorry if I came off to you as a networking expert earlier - it certainly wasn't my intention to do so. I never called you ignorant or stupid and I don't see why you get to call me that. Can you at least show me a link to a place that says obtaining MAC address IS possible?

However if it is your opinion of me that I'm stupid and ignorant, then oh well. I won't say the same about you, sorry. I don't even know you. However, I must refuse any free drinks for you from me at Internext or Qwebec Expo this summer then, sorry!

(no)Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[softball]

I recognize lots of people giving advice that have never earned shit online.
Not all are newbies either, many have been lurking for years and still don't earn shit.

Here is a bit of advice from someone that has been making LOTS of money online for 12 years.

This is not the place where any money is made.
Work on your business instead of posting on message boards.
Dude, you may be rich. Or you may not. There is a dealership down the street from me that sells that lotus you post as a big deal and they are about 60K or so....the price of a useful volvo. You posted a picture of a motorcycle...no idea how much that cost but I am sure it is not a lot. You live in a hood that 500K buys you a house. I live in a three bedroom apartment that doubles that. So I have no idea how much you make. You say....and that is just your call...that you give away a million bucks a year. I am sure that is not verified by KPMG.
But here is the deal. We have a mutual friend who speaks very highly of you....I believe you performed the ceremony in Costa Rica. But that in no way means you are as stinking rich as you post. What you do for the traffic rats is one thing. We are not that interested. You have no idea if money is made here or not. Like I said earlier, I have tons of respect for what you do. You may or may not be able to afford that little Lotus. But that is not the point. It should have occurred to you some time ago, that you are posting with your peers and to lighten up. BTW, I have earned shit online for a couple of years, so I have a inkling of what I am saying here. I hope we meet someday and this is just a memory because I think you are winding yourself up about nothing. You had a perfectly plausible response to the legal issue. I think most believed you. I did.

[Sexyteaser]

Moetheman,

Let's be clear on this. I'm not that person, period, and that the "proof" that it was me is by my Mac Address. Not only do you believe him, but you also claimed earlier that Mac Address tracking is common.

Am I a networking guru? No. I am saying that Obtaining a Mac Address via the Internet is impossible, unless an application is installed on a PC which broadcasts that mac address.

If you are not a networking expert and cannot prove me wrong, then thats ok. Whoever you are, I don't hate you for it. Please, dude, chill a sec..

... but if there is a networking expert reading this who can show me how it is done, I would REALLY like to know how. From what I have read (yes on Wiki), it is impossible. Could I be wrong? Hell yes. I'm sorry if I came off to you as a networking expert earlier - it certainly wasn't my intention to do so. I never called you ignorant or stupid and I don't see why you get to call me that. Can you at least show me a link to a place that says obtaining MAC address IS possible?

However if it is your opinion of me that I'm stupid and ignorant, then oh well. I won't say the same about you, sorry. I don't even know you. However, I must refuse any free drinks for you from me at Internext or Qwebec Expo this summer then, sorry!

(no)Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net


Well then call "soundslikebullshit" back up and tell him to come on and say who he really is... You said you already called to tell him to change his MAC address so who is it?

[2MuchMark]

Part 3.
Advertise your website.
Greg Jones and I will have a meeting this week and review your site,
your performers and your current traffic. We will then make some
suggestions for you that you MUST follow, including the purchase of
some Pay Per Click Traffic from 2Much as well as from other
sources, and other advertising avenues. The cost for these services
will come out of your pocket. If you do not follow our advice and
do not advertise your site, then we will not help you for free as
described in "Part 1".

To clarify Shellee, we had offered you a discount price of our LiveCamNetwork in exchange for revenue share with you. After 6 months or so we still had made no money from this arrangement with you. When you purchased the license at the discount rate you assured us it would be a team effort. In the end we felt that we had been tricked, and more importantly, our time spent assisting you completely wasted.

The fact that you were then demanding credit you did not deserve, taking advantage of something we left out of our contract, free services, refusing to remove images that you did not own etc, refusing to take our advice, refusing to put on quality content etc, prompted that email. If you did not follow our suggestions (or at least offer qualified reasons why you would not), then we would no longer continue those free services and instead charge you Per Service.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[Toby]

Why does the phrase Turnkey Website keep running through my head? :rolleyes:

[2MuchMark]

Well then call "soundslikebullshit" back up and tell him to come on and say who he really is... You said you already called to tell him to change his MAC address so who is it?

No Shellee,

What I said was is that I think I had an idea who it was based on the computer domain / workgroup name because sometimes, this is obtainable over the net. This person assures me it is not her and that is the end of it. I did not mention Mac addresses.

Mark

[softball]

Why does the phrase Turnkey Website keep running through my head? :rolleyes:
Now that brings back memories. Decisions, decisions.

[2MuchMark]

Hi Rhetorical,

I don't think that this is what Dirty D meant. I think he's making a point about how this thread is a complete waste of time, and he's right. Thank god its Sunday and the weather's shitty outside.

I'm going home. Goodnight everyone!

http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Dirty D]

Dude, you may be rich. Or you may not. There is a dealership down the street from me that sells that lotus you post as a big deal and they are about 60K or so....the price of a useful volvo. You posted a picture of a motorcycle...no idea how much that cost but I am sure it is not a lot. You live in a hood that 500K buys you a house. I live in a three bedroom apartment that doubles that. So I have no idea how much you make. You say....and that is just your call...that you give away a million bucks a year. I am sure that is not verified by KPMG.
But here is the deal. We have a mutual friend who speaks very highly of you....I believe you performed the ceremony in Costa Rica. But that in no way means you are as stinking rich as you post. What you do for the traffic rats is one thing. We are not that interested. You have no idea if money is made here or not. Like I said earlier, I have tons of respect for what you do. You may or may not be able to afford that little Lotus. But that is not the point. It should have occurred to you some time ago, that you are posting with your peers and to lighten up. BTW, I have earned shit online for a couple of years, so I have a inkling of what I am saying here. I hope we meet someday and this is just a memory because I think you are winding yourself up about nothing. You had a perfectly plausible response to the legal issue. I think most believed you. I did.

Not sure what my post has to do with my car or motorcycle.

I am talking about earning money online vs shooting your mouth off.

I pay $1 Million Dollars EVERY Year to affiliates in addition to what they have earned.
This obviously means my business makes plenty of money and I take it seriously.

Perhaps you and your online ventures make millions also, since you took offense to my post.
It was obviously geared toward those that are experts in theory but not practice.

My point here is that there are many of my "peers" on here don't make shit but are full of advice.

[moetheman]

Moetheman,
Let's be clear on this. I'm not that person, period, and that the "proof" that it was me is by my Mac Address. Not only do you believe him,


I do believe him - because it's true!


but you also claimed earlier that Mac Address tracking is common.


And I reiterate that claim. You simply missed the context being discussed, namely, a web application tracking a visitor's MAC address, which is how you were caught . . .


Am I a networking guru? No. I am saying that Obtaining a Mac Address via the Internet is impossible, unless an application is installed on a PC which broadcasts that mac address.


No need to be a guru to know it . . . please.


If you are not a networking expert and cannot prove me wrong, then thats ok. Whoever you are, I don't hate you for it. Please, dude, chill a sec..


HA HA HA - coming at me with the authority card? when talking about technology? You are clueless. Telling me to chill? Have you been nippin' on the cooking sherry?

Once again, I am not here to give you lessons. The information is freely available. Learn the same way I did, and do: find the right information, and read it, and understand it. Google is your friend if you are too cheap to buy a decent textbook.


... but if there is a networking expert reading this who can show me how it is done, I would REALLY like to know how. From what I have read (yes on Wiki), it is impossible. Could I be wrong? Hell yes. I'm sorry if I came off to you as a networking expert earlier - it certainly wasn't my intention to do so. I never called you ignorant or stupid and I don't see why you get to call me that. Can you at least show me a link to a place that says obtaining MAC address IS possible?


Find it yourself. Oh, but it is ok to sit there and call a woman who is bringing up legitimate grievances several names is it? Don't try to play the victim here . . .


However if it is your opinion of me that I'm stupid and ignorant, then oh well. I won't say the same about you, sorry. I don't even know you. However, I must refuse any free drinks for you from me at Internext or Qwebec Expo this summer then, sorry!


Yeah, like I would need your free drinks . . . how cute.

LOL

Point stands, you were caught posting under another account.

[2MuchMark]

Now that brings back memories. Decisions, decisions. (on Turnkey Websites)

I have always hated the term "Turnkey" myself but actually it is a good description of what LiveCamNetwork does. It's a video chat system that includes things like billing, accounting, user management, performer management, ability to network with other sites, etc.

It's still completely non-turnkey though to let owners customize the look and feel any way that they want, hire their own chat models, charge anything they like per minute, and pay anything they want per minute.

When people purchase our system, we advise them on how to use it. We even give them free access to our own business model which has worked for us for years.

(We would be pleased to offer a demo if anyone is interested! Even better, if you qualify, we would consider giving the right customer a FREE LiveCamNetwork license in exchange for a small revenue share.

If it works for you, great! Hopefully you will understand our grief with Shellee Hale. If it does not work for you, then at least you're out absolutely no money.

Shellee's unfortunate experience with 2Much derives from the fact that she simply ignored virtually every bit of advice we offered her and that is what lead to (continues to lead to) the pissing contest you see here. Oh well.

Contact us at 2Much!
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Toby]

I have always hated the term "Turnkey" myself but actually it is a good description of what LiveCamNetwork does...

There's good reason to hate the term, since the vast majority of them are scams and rarely earn anyone but the site seller a dime.

[softball]

Perhaps you and your online ventures make millions also, since you took offense to my post.
It was obviously geared toward those that are experts in theory but not practice.

D, I feel like shaking you by the fucking collar. I am not taking offense at your posts I am supporting you. I have been all along. The million dollar thing is for your customers. I have no idea if you pay that out or not. Nor do I fucking care. The car thing is another bling thing that may or may not sell product. That is not the issue. What you put in the bank is and I have no idea what you put in the bank. But online, you pitch rich. So, when you fire broadsides on a board of your...no fear quotes necessary...your peers, then that all means shit. We all do that. It is how we make our living. So stop ragging on me for trying to make you look good. OK?

[2MuchMark]

I do believe him - because it's true!


Once again, I am not here to give you lessons. The information is freely available. Learn the same way I did, and do: find the right information, and read it, and understand it. Google is your friend if you are too cheap to buy a decent textbook..

Moetheman,

If the information is freely available, why don't you show me where it is? You are the one saying that Mac Addresses are available for any Pc on the Internet. You are the one doing the acusing now. All I am asking you for is How? Where?

Let's take a step back for a moment. Forget you hate me. Instead, lets work together to find out if it is possible to obtain a MAC address the way you are describing. Ok?

If MAC Addresses are obtainable, why don't we ALL discover how this is done? This kind of thing can be very useful to webmasters, billing companies, etc.

If the MAC Addresses were visible to companies like CCBill, they could use it to stop credit card fraud in a second. Think about this: If you discovered that someone was using stolen credit cards to buy from your website, you could block their MAC address and then never be frauded by that guy again!
Blocking the IP Address, like blocking the email address, is pointless because people can easily get another IP or email address. Blocking MAC Addresses would be a miracle for credit card processors.

So tell me again: If a person's visit to a website such as Oprano is trackable by Mac Addresses, don't you think Mac addressing blocks would be in place? Surprise, they're not. Why? Because it is impossible for any means for 1 machine to obtain the mac address of another machine over a WAN, unless the target is running an application that reads the mac address of that machine in the first place.

Kisses,
Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

I am out of my league here. I remember at the first conference I went to a guy got up to monitor a panel in the newbies seminar he said "adult is a close group and if we don't like you we will destroy you." Now I clearly know what he meant. I am definitely losing fans here quickly and not for being right or wrong but for even responding. I guess an apology is warranted and some rest.

Dirty D was right being the newest one I really do need to work as I have a lot to try and fix and learn to earn respect around here.

I am going to work on redeeming myself another way.

[moetheman]

Moetheman,

If the information is freely available, why don't you show me where it is? You are the one saying that Mac Addresses are available for any Pc on the Internet. You are the one doing the acusing now. All I am asking you for is How? Where?

Let's take a step back for a moment. Forget you hate me. Instead, lets work together to find out if it is possible to obtain a MAC address the way you are describing. Ok?

If MAC Addresses are obtainable, why don't we ALL discover how this is done? This kind of thing can be very useful to webmasters, billing companies, etc.

If the MAC Addresses were visible to companies like CCBill, they could use it to stop credit card fraud in a second. Think about this: If you discovered that someone was using stolen credit cards to buy from your website, you could block their MAC address and then never be frauded by that guy again!
Blocking the IP Address, like blocking the email address, is pointless because people can easily get another IP or email address. Blocking MAC Addresses would be a miracle for credit card processors.

So tell me again: If a person's visit to a website such as Oprano is trackable by Mac Addresses, don't you think Mac addressing blocks would be in place? Surprise, they're not. Why? Because it is impossible for any means for 1 machine to obtain the mac address of another machine over a WAN, unless the target is running an application that reads the mac address of that machine in the first place.

Kisses,
Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Kisses? no thanks, I don't kiss fags.
When you end up in the pen though, you'll just be the Posse's bitch.

Still trying to draw attention away from the original point are you? Must have hit a nerve there.

Google is your friend.

MAC addresses can be spoofed, like many, many other technologies.

How do you know that isn't being used widely?
You don't.
If it were not, how do you know it is due to technological reasons?
You don't.

Tracking is not synonymous with BLOCKING, to begin with . . . but this is a waste of time, I could break it down for you all the way to protons and neutrons, and you still wouldn't get it . . .

Your assumptions are much too broad, and shallow. Your logic is awful basic there. I am starting to feel sorry for you . . .

I can see that this goes WAY over your head.

And the point STILL remains, you were caught, and have obviously been wiggling like crazy to shrug it off . . .

[miz_wright]

Actually I was hoping aebnliz could take care of it for me. Mmmm..

:yowsa:

m


... I suppose my secret is out at long last...

That's right, y'all: I am a ball crushing she bitch. *whew!* It's good to have that out in the open.. ;)

[2MuchMark]

First of all,

GOOD MORNING!!!! :)

Next,
Moetheman:

Dude, whatever. You're the one who said Mac Address Tracking is everywhere. I'm just asking you in a really polite way, to Teach Me (and everyone else here) how this is possible.

And if you don't know the answer, to kindly show me some links to some resources that would explain MAC Address tracking.

You are the one who is getting completely bent out of shape on all of this, not me. You said something, I asked you to prove it. You didn't. I fully admitted that I'm no networking expert but politely and calmly showed you what I found (and invited true networking experts to tell me if I was right or wrong), and then you went balistic. Score one against the professionalism (or at least professional facade) of the Adult Industry.

I don't know you, but I don't hate you, whoever you are. You hate me without even knowing me, because you have prejudged me. All I did was offer a reply to your post.

I hope everyone reading this has a good, PRODUCTIVE, business day. Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[EmporerEJ]

Emp, you are not exactly in the "adult business". You are a manufacturer. If publishing your real name would hurt your relationship with your loved ones, put you at risk from the local bubba sheriff, put you in danger from stalking fans, or perhaps more to the point, cost you money because of other business interests, you would not be so quick to lose money or endanger any of the above relationships and/or people. JFK tried that shit out on me once at a GFY party, and I am sorry it just doesn't fly. Pseudonyms have been used by everyone from writers to actors. The Nom de plume is a time honoured tradition. This has a lot to do with safety and business and nothing to do with morals or pride. In your line of work, none of this is a threat to you unless perhaps you are putting your bare ass and dick in front of the camera and we don't know about it. In which case, see above.


I have tried to ignore your posts, but you clearly have no intention of acting civilly.
So, I'm forced to respond to your errors, and assaults on my character.
First of all, you are completely ignorant to our situation. (No surprise there...you have always acted this way with everyone.)

For the record, I have absolutely NO Problem with people using fake names if they feel they must. But then they should not be surprises when the public at large views them with suspicion. They should also not get excited when they are "found out," or whatever it is anyone else here is hollering about.

As far as risk, in point of fact, I am at a higher risk EVERY DAY than most of your actors, and actresses that, as you put it "putting your bare ass and dick in front of the camera," in a very important point. I can lose EVERYTHING, and be jailed on a whim.
While they are "performing art" and what can be successfully argued as "free expression," (and in my opinion, is,) I have no such protection.

I am manufacturing a product, with real taxable employees, in a real taxable building, with a real fixed location that every local legislator with an agenda can find. I can't hide behind services and anonimizer scripts. If someone claims our machine sucked their balls off, I go sit in court for product liability.

And, after all that, at any time, aforementioned legislator can go for asset forfeiture, (Including our shiny new factory) various infractions that were intended to stop organized crime, (Which they have somehow managed to apply to my peers in the adult business, ) As WELL AS ALL the other "personal reputation" attacks you have suggested.

You think the public sees me as different than the actors and actresses? You bet they do...we are "WORSE," because we are "promoting" this behavior, and supposedly somehow talking people into it. I HAVE had my business relationships destroyed by taking my stance. I have had subcontractors refuse to work for us because of what we do. I REGULARLY have trouble with "Bubba sheriff" as you put it. I HAVE spent 2 years fighting my local government that didn't have a law to stop adult companies from building in "their town," but do now. EVERY way they could slow down our construction has been tried. Resulting in Thousands in legal fees, and delays.

So you are simply wrong.
You should think before opening your yap. And as someone who has never shown any connection to the adult industry, or, actually, to any real person alive, your opinion doesn't even rate the saying "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one."
As far as I know, you aren't a real person, with an asshole. You're just the hole.
Get a life. Either stand up and be a person, Prepared to defend your position publicly, or just slink around, like you do, and keep quiet. I'd actually prefer that, as I've never heard you make ANY valuable contribution.

In case you hadn't noticed, most of the legal battles have been won are fought by the people that DON'T hide. Then the rest of the industry piggybacks on the decision. My heart goes out to the guy that made the stand, and fought the good fight, not the person hiding behind the decision through 15 levels of dead end secrecy.

All my "loved ones" know exactly what I do, and support it. If you have "loved ones," that don't support you, then should they really be "loved ones?" Doesn't sound like "love" to me. Sounds like "conditional control."

If you can't handle all that goes with it, then maybe you shouldn't be doing it?
McDonald's is hiring. Burger King has a permanent sign screwed to the wall.

It's what makes the difference between "Amateurs," and "professionals."

Oh, and one more thing Jackass....I've been in the "adult business," since May 20, 1985, with my first adult video store.

[2MuchMark]

... I suppose my secret is out at long last...

That's right, y'all: I am a ball crushing she bitch. *whew!* It's good to have that out in the open.. ;)

Nah -

You're a nice person that has earned lots of respect in this business from lots of people, and represent a rock-solid company too. Congrats!

m

[softball]

I have tried to ignore your posts, but you clearly have no intention of acting civilly.
So, I'm forced to respond to your errors, and assaults on my character.
First of all, you are completely ignorant to our situation. (No surprise there...you have always acted this way with everyone.)

For the record, I have absolutely NO Problem with people using fake names if they feel they must. But then they should not be surprises when the public at large views them with suspicion. They should also not get excited when they are "found out," or whatever it is anyone else here is hollering about.

As far as risk, in point of fact, I am at a higher risk EVERY DAY than most of your actors, and actresses that, as you put it "putting your bare ass and dick in front of the camera," in a very important point. I can lose EVERYTHING, and be jailed on a whim.
While they are "performing art" and what can be successfully argued as "free expression," (and in my opinion, is,) I have no such protection.

I am manufacturing a product, with real taxable employees, in a real taxable building, with a real fixed location that every local legislator with an agenda can find. I can't hide behind services and anonimizer scripts. If someone claims our machine sucked their balls off, I go sit in court for product liability.

And, after all that, at any time, aforementioned legislator can go for asset forfeiture, (Including our shiny new factory) various infractions that were intended to stop organized crime, (Which they have somehow managed to apply to my peers in the adult business, ) As WELL AS ALL the other "personal reputation" attacks you have suggested.

You think the public sees me as different than the actors and actresses? You bet they do...we are "WORSE," because we are "promoting" this behavior, and supposedly somehow talking people into it. I HAVE had my business relationships destroyed by taking my stance. I have had subcontractors refuse to work for us because of what we do. I REGULARLY have trouble with "Bubba sheriff" as you put it. I HAVE spent 2 years fighting my local government that didn't have a law to stop adult companies from building in "their town," but do now. EVERY way they could slow down our construction has been tried. Resulting in Thousands in legal fees, and delays.

So you are simply wrong.
You should think before opening your yap. And as someone who has never shown any connection to the adult industry, or, actually, to any real person alive, your opinion doesn't even rate the saying "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one."
As far as I know, you aren't a real person, with an asshole. You're just the hole.
Get a life. Either stand up and be a person, Prepared to defend your position publicly, or just slink around, like you do, and keep quiet. I'd actually prefer that, as I've never heard you make ANY valuable contribution.

In case you hadn't noticed, most of the legal battles have been won are fought by the people that DON'T hide. Then the rest of the industry piggybacks on the decision. My heart goes out to the guy that made the stand, and fought the good fight, not the person hiding behind the decision through 15 levels of dead end secrecy.

All my "loved ones" know exactly what I do, and support it. If you have "loved ones," that don't support you, then should they really be "loved ones?" Doesn't sound like "love" to me. Sounds like "conditional control."

If you can't handle all that goes with it, then maybe you shouldn't be doing it?
McDonald's is hiring. Burger King has a permanent sign screwed to the wall.

It's what makes the difference between "Amateurs," and "professionals."

Oh, and one more thing Jackass....I've been in the "adult business," since May 20, 1985, with my first adult video store.
And your point is? That is a lot of wasted verbiage for no real reason. I was acting in a civil manner with no real disrespect. You, in your usual apoplectic manner, once again flew off the handle. Dude, you really need to chill once in awhile. BTW, I am a real person with a real business and prolly made my first adult video while you were still jerking off to plastic bag magazines. Now fuck off and go eat your bacon and eggs and read the newspaper or something. Anything to bring down your blood pressure.

[softball]

I never even heard of a mac address till yesterday. Still can't figure out what the fuck it is or if I should even care. Should I?

[EmporerEJ]

Either post your first and last name or shut the fuck up because he has a point. He produces glory hole content that requires you to fly under the radar if you're smart.
.

Eric J. White
CEO/CS
VR Innovations, Inc.
Would you like the Corporate address as well?
It's published in the AVN Printed Directory, as well as our website, and multiple places on the internet.
It's really my handsome face, and I'm really listed in IMDB.com and TV.com
My Personal Address is also easily found.

[2MuchMark]

Eric J. White
CEO/CS
VR Innovations, Inc.
Would you like the Corporate address as well?
It's published in the AVN Printed Directory, as well as our website, and multiple places on the internet.
It's really my handsome face, and I'm really listed in IMDB.com and TV.com
My Personal Address is also easily found.


Emporer:
You're on IMDB? Me too!! :) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0484952/

See you at the Oscar's!

Cheers!

m

[softball]

Emporer:
You're on IMDB? Me too!! :) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0484952/

See you at the Oscar's!

Cheers!

m
Did you do well out of that Webdreams thing? A lot of people seemed to crash after being on that show.

[2MuchMark]

Did you do well out of that Webdreams thing? A lot of people seemed to crash after being on that show.

Hi again -

We did ok... we have lots of type-in traffic, especially right after the show airs. The show was completed years ago but season 1 is still playing on Showcase on Friday nights at 10pm, and on IFC on Saturday nights here in Canada.

What kills me though is that the show can't be shown in the US. I don't know why but I think it has somehting to do with 2257 and Dugmor's infamous "Drilldo" scene. (Dugmor attaches a sex toy to a powerdrill and use it on Malasia. yikes...) Probably too racy for TV.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[softball]

Hi again -

We did ok... we have lots of type-in traffic, especially right after the show airs. The show was completed years ago but season 1 is still playing on Showcase on Friday nights at 10pm, and on IFC on Saturday nights here in Canada.

What kills me though is that the show can't be shown in the US. I don't know why but I think it has somehting to do with 2257 and Dugmor's infamous "Drilldo" scene. (Dugmor attaches a sex toy to a powerdrill and use it on Malasia. yikes...) Probably too racy for TV.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

They whizzed through Vancouver, pissed everyone off. I think it might be hard for them to recruit around here again. Glad you did ok, though.

[2MuchMark]

Moetheman:

Still trying to draw attention away from the original point are you? Must have hit a nerve there.

No, sorry! I just already answered the question. Go back and look for it.


MAC addresses can be spoofed, like many, many other technologies...

If MAC Addresses can be spoofed, then they're not credible as proof of anything, are they?

How do you know that isn't being used widely? You don't. .

Wrong, YOU don't. You are just saying what you think you know about TCP/IP, and making a fool of yourself. Try Googling MAC addresses and you will see for yourself that everything you think you know about it is wrong.


If it were not, how do you know it is due to technological reasons? You don't.

What? Hahahahaha this last one does not even make sense. You sound like those dipshits that sell that rediculous Q Ring or whatever its called to give people vitality and energy, just from a simple bracelett.

Anyway, sorry to now put you in your place, but here is a lesson for you in TCP/IP Networking:

Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model This is the industry standard OSI model for data. TCP/IP functions at Layer 3 & 4, and MAC functions at Layer 2. Layer 2 is for the physical addressing of the local network.

If you then look at the structure of the IP packet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ip_%28struct%29 you'll see that it contains IP addressing only, not MAC addressing, because that is done in the lower layers (Layer 2).

That is why the arp function is needed to translate MAC <-> IP in order to deliver on the LAN.

The only exception in modern day for MAC to leave the LAN is when a user has a Cable Modem and the Cable Modem has a MAC address, which is sent via the PPPoE protocol (or PPP for dialup) to the local ISP for uthentication to allow Cable Modem to communicate on network and to get assigned an IP address from the ISP.

Once the Cable Modem PPPoE authentication is complete, the rest of the communication occurs at a higher Layer, so there is no MAC in the IP (IP or TCP/IP or higher).

Now before you decide that "Wiki" is shit or not good enough for you, kindly offer a good, smart reply to the contrary, or please shut the fuck up.


Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[EmporerEJ]

Emporer:
You're on IMDB? Me too!! :) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0484952/

See you at the Oscar's!

Cheers!

m

Naaa, I'm waiting for my Emmy.
:yowsa:

[EmporerEJ]

And your point is? That is a lot of wasted verbiage for no real reason. I was acting in a civil manner with no real disrespect. You, in your usual apoplectic manner, once again flew off the handle. Dude, you really need to chill once in awhile. BTW, I am a real person with a real business and prolly made my first adult video while you were still jerking off to plastic bag magazines. Now fuck off and go eat your bacon and eggs and read the newspaper or something. Anything to bring down your blood pressure.

Don't like you, never have liked you, think you're a Jackass, and would prefer you simply did not exist in the world. You contribute nothing, have no value, and are really nothing more than a tiny stone in the road. You have no original ideas, never have anything positive to say, never contribute to the commerce of the world.
Don't care who you are, don't want to know about you, or anything you are doing. Would prefer you never come to my country, use the same airwaves as me, or breath the same air.
I would like to never have another interaction with you.....ever.

That clear enough?

[softball]

Don't like you, never have liked you, think you're a Jackass, and would prefer you simply did not exist in the world. You contribute nothing, have no value, and are really nothing more than a tiny stone in the road. You have no original ideas, never have anything positive to say, never contribute to the commerce of the world.
Don't care who you are, don't want to know about you, or anything you are doing. Would prefer you never come to my country, use the same airwaves as me, or breath the same air.
I would like to never have another interaction with you.....ever.

That clear enough?

But seriously Emp, how do you really feel about me? Sorry to say, I earn my living in your dollars. I take them out of your economy as you import my product. Sometimes I even cross the border and breath your air. I was even married to an American woman and would burn up your gas visiting the in laws. I have investments in your country, so I guess I own a piece of you as well. Fuck me, I must be your worst nightmare. Prolly worse than illegal mexicans stealing your jobs. Do you feel kinda threatened here in the final days of the American empire which the president you elected trashed in 5 short years? Your offshore thing apparently failed and now you are forced to manufacture in the US, but fear not, American labour is getting cheap. Now if you are nice to us we will sell you our gas and let you buy our water. BTW, I never see your product anywhere. Never have. So apart from all the bluster and bullshit you have been puking since the days of Amateur Masters when you got your ass handed to you on a plate, what exactly have you done? Emp you are a most amusing guy. A bit demented but amusing.

[CouchSitter]

There's good reason to hate the term, since the vast majority of them are scams and rarely earn anyone but the site seller a dime.

Amen Toby ...

[miz_wright]

Nah -

You're a nice person that has earned lots of respect in this business from lots of people, and represent a rock-solid company too. Congrats!

m


Aww, thanks, Mark. That's lovely to hear - especially since I am a newb.

[2MuchMark]

Aww, thanks, Mark. That's lovely to hear - especially since I am a newb.

Well, at least 2 people I have talked to have said nice things to me about you, so you're obviously doing something right.

Cheers!

[Mediaguy]

I owned that domain before I ever met you or even knew of you.. Fuck off

You're right, I'm wrong, sorry.

My records go back to May 5th last year, when I emailed you to point your domain to our servers. In order to have CCBill approve your site, you had to change your domain registration which for some reason was private.

So I guess you never took any advice, at least from us, in your several months in the industry.

[Mediaguy]

Please contact Michael Plante for any issues you have with stolen content or images or documentation he should or should not have to do the design work and use images - He is a professional web designer that you recommended and introduced to me; so I would not have expected he would make this kind of an error.

You can lie to our faces all you want but don't try to insinuate Michel did anything wrong.

A designer designs your site, after which you are responsible for it - you own the work. Michel was never your webmaster, you ran your own site supposedly, so you're responsible to maintain and update it.

If you didn't know how to remove the images, you could have asked me.

As you said, Michel is a profesional and one of the most ethical people I've met. You can see at http://www.3xwebdesign.com/ he's all booked up and not taking on new jobs for a while. There's a reason for that and it's not because of what you tried to smear him with in your post.

[Mediaguy]

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

[gonzo]

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.
Yall really need to quit talking about that plug in while your ahead.
Youve assumed way to much about what Ive told you.

[DannyCox]

Okay, finally went through all four pages of this, and it was interesting in a convoluted way.

I do have a question though....how do you track someone's MAC Address?? A couple of people alluded to it being quite easy with readily available tools, but I sure can't find anything. The most I found was a tool that will return a MAC Address from the main router on a network, but nothing deeper. Doing a quick Google search, I came across Geek boards where people asked this question, and the response was "You can't, unless someone is purposely and actively broadcasting it".

So, please let me know how. I'm just curious as to how this can be done. I have a feeling I won't be getting a response.

[Sexyteaser]

You can lie to our faces all you want but don't try to insinuate Michel did anything wrong.

A designer designs your site, after which you are responsible for it - you own the work. Michel was never your webmaster, you ran your own site supposedly, so you're responsible to maintain and update it.

If you didn't know how to remove the images, you could have asked me.

As you said, Michel is a profesional and one of the most ethical people I've met. You can see at http://www.3xwebdesign.com/ he's all booked up and not taking on new jobs for a while. There's a reason for that and it's not because of what you tried to smear him with in your post.

Please refer to our contract I paid 2much.net to maintain and update the website. Why would I need to call you if you were calling me to do something that was your responsibility. If you did not have permission to use photos or if permission changed - you had a fiduciary duty to me for services paid for you should have been doing YOUR JOB.

[2MuchMark]

Okay, finally went through all four pages of this, and it was interesting in a convoluted way.

I do have a question though....how do you track someone's MAC Address?? A couple of people alluded to it being quite easy with readily available tools, but I sure can't find anything. The most I found was a tool that will return a MAC Address from the main router on a network, but nothing deeper. Doing a quick Google search, I came across Geek boards where people asked this question, and the response was "You can't, unless someone is purposely and actively broadcasting it".

So, please let me know how. I'm just curious as to how this can be done. I have a feeling I won't be getting a response.


Hi Danny,

That has been my question all along. I *THINK* it's impossible. According to my 2 network guru's, its impossible. I can't find anything about it on Google, and in my post earlier, I found out that MAC Addresses is simply not a part of the TCP/IP Layer.

I also posted my IP Address in a previous thread, and asked Moetheman to grab my MAC Address from it. So far, no response.

Anyway, all BS aside here, I would really really like to know if this is possible. If so, it would help us to make our credit card fraud detection system (http://www.2much.net/fraud-detection.html) even better than it already is. If we could block users by MAC Addresses, we could illiminate CC fraud altogether!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[2MuchMark]

Please refer to our contract I paid 2much.net to maintain and update the website. Why would I need to call you if you were calling me to do something that was your responsibility. If you did not have permission to use photos or if permission changed - you had a fiduciary duty to me for services paid for you should have been doing YOUR JOB.


Hi Shellee!! How are you darling? Did you have fun yesterday? I sure did!

Anyway, Here goes.

Shellee:
When we made your original website, we offered you webmaster services. Then when you went to Mr. Plante, he became your new webmaster. Michel has all of the PSD (Layer) files for all of your graphics so he could make any changes you asked him to do.

What I bet happened is that you asked him for changes later and he told you he had to charge you for those changes, but you didn't want to pay him for his work.

Finally, if you look back at my older posts here SWEETHEART, you will see that not only did I ask you many times to remove the pictures, but in the end we offered to do the work FOR YOU, FOR FREE. All we needed was ANY other picture of ANY other chat model you had. You never provided us with one. (I guess that fat fuck of the On-Cam Big-Mac Eating Florida Prostitute you had stealing from you and jeopardizing your business was not someone you wanted to have on the front page of your website. Can't say I blame you.


Mark "How about a hug? Ah Camaaann??" Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Hi Shellee!! How are you darling? Did you have fun yesterday? I sure did!

Anyway, Here goes.

Shellee:
When we made your original website, we offered you webmaster services. Then when you went to Mr. Plante, he became your new webmaster. Michel has all of the PSD (Layer) files for all of your graphics so he could make any changes you asked him to do.

What I bet happened is that you asked him for changes later and he told you he had to charge you for those changes, but you didn't want to pay him for his work.

Finally, if you look back at my older posts here SWEETHEART, you will see that not only did I ask you many times to remove the pictures, but in the end we offered to do the work FOR YOU, FOR FREE. All we needed was ANY other picture of ANY other chat model you had. You never provided us with one. (I guess that fat fuck of the On-Cam Big-Mac Eating Florida Prostitute you had stealing from you and jeopardizing your business was not someone you wanted to have on the front page of your website. Can't say I blame you.


Mark "How about a hug? Ah Camaaann??" Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Our contract speaks for itself. You are welcome to ask Michael Plant if you are correct in this assumption but I am sure he will tell you that your not. You were paid to do this service period and Michale Plante was used at your suggestion.

But isn't it pointless as I don't even do business or support your platform in any way shape or form. I think you are losing the point it was a complete waste of my time and money to work with you and nothing ever got accomplished.

I was completely disatisfied with 2much.net and you Mark Prince why would I continue to work on something destined to fail. Once again you have a huge failure rate with customers you have sold licenses not just me.

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[Mediaguy]

Shellee, I just remembered what this thread was about...

Are you going to hijack every thread me or Mark post in and turn it into your little 2much target range?

It's getting tiresome, really, and DirtyD made some good points that all your tepid ass-water is just obfuscating...

People should have the right to not have their real names associated with the business if that's what they want. It doesn't mean they have anything to hide.

You live in a very different world than a great majority of people Shellee, and you know it, since you're down the road from Ted Turner or Sweet Jesus or whoever.

Most of us unfortunately live in a world where the good christians in our communities will come pour diesel fuel in your jacuzzi (happened to a friend of mine) if they discover that you produce what they consume (on the sly most probably).

I'm Gregory Martin Morgan Fucking Jones and I live at 5365 Berri in Montreal, Quebec (H2J 2S7) Canada, born August 17th 1966 and I'm in a position not to care about being associated with adult (though who knows I may regret it in the future).

But I don't live in your world and never will no matter how much money I make because it's really not a question of money, that world of yours, is it?

Some people aren't so lucky, and those of us who are should respect that.

[gonzo]

Damn I was hoping for another piece of wisdom from Wikipedia.

How many girls and customers are online now?

[2MuchMark]

Shellee -

You forgot 2 important names in that list:

http://www.SexyTeaser.com: FAILURE
http://www.SexyTeaserGuys.com: FAILURE.

Its not the software that failed, Shellee, it is YOU.

LiveCamNetwork is at its most basic, A video streaming program, and an accounting program. It's is not a "get rich quick" scheme (as we even point out in our FAQ). All it does is stream video, and count money.

It can only make money for you Shellee if you:
- Know your market
- Know your content
- Know how to run a business
- Work hard, hard, very hard.

You failed on all of the above Shellee, and I will prove it to you and everyone else, right now.

One of your FAILED sites was SexyTeaserGuys.com.

The site's promise by way of teaser pictures, tour, sales pages etc, promised customers the chance to chat with Young, muscular men.

Here, everyone, is the kind of Young, Muscular Men that Shelle ACTUALLY had on her website, SexyTeaserGuys.com

http://www.livecamnetwork.com/bbs-pictures/shelle-hale/sexyteaser-guys.jpg

And you Shellee, had the fucking nerve to complain to me that you weren't making any money. You are one fucking piece of work.

I don't know what you might call the type of actual content that you offered your customers, Shellee, but it is a safe bet to say that NONE of the "models" you listed above fit into the Young Muscular Male Niche. We tried to tell you this an endless amount of times to choose your chat models carefully. But no, you the fucking expert blew us off. Anyone can see that the guys above were a poor fit to your website.


Now take a look at this:
http://www.livecamnetwork.com/bbs-pictures/shelle-hale/livecamnetwork-girls.jpg

The above are all girls that work for LiveCamNetwork.com. (And, all of them will be online and chatting tonight for anyone who's interested in saying Hello). When we advertise, we go only for the COLLEGE GIRL traffic, and hire only COLLEGE GIRLS to chat for us (with only the rare exception).

In addition, we insist that all of the girls that work for us, talk to our customers by voice. Each girl Looks at the camera, addresses each customer by name, and is pro-active in getting them to talk. The girls (and guys) you hired did NONE OF THAT except eat Big Macs and whore themselves out to strangers on your website and demand payment by paypal instead of your own CCBill account. I don't know what your guys did but I know they didn't convert at all.

This SIMPLE business model is fairly easy for anyone to understand Shellee. When we sell our LiveCamNetwork system, we tell all of our customers Exactly how we make money and offer to help everyone to do the same, FOR FREE. If you weren't so busy telling us about your expertise, you might have learned to offer quality streams to your customers, and you might have actually made a few bucks.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[moetheman]

First of all,

GOOD MORNING!!!! :)

Next,
Moetheman:

Dude, whatever. You're the one who said Mac Address Tracking is everywhere. I'm just asking you in a really polite way, to Teach Me (and everyone else here) how this is possible.


Yawn. No one said it was everywhere. Are you functionally illiterate? You strike me as though you are.


And if you don't know the answer, to kindly show me some links to some resources that would explain MAC Address tracking.


I am going to be generous to an ignoramus like you, and say this:

You will find it in the LINK section of a TCP packet.

You don't read people's posts do you?

Just gave you a freebie, jackass.


You are the one who is getting completely bent out of shape on all of this, not me. You said something, I asked you to prove it. You didn't. I fully admitted that I'm no networking expert but politely and calmly showed you what I found (and invited true networking experts to tell me if I was right or wrong), and then you went balistic. Score one against the professionalism (or at least professional facade) of the Adult Industry.

I don't know you, but I don't hate you, whoever you are. You hate me without even knowing me, because you have prejudged me. All I did was offer a reply to your post.


Yeah, keep clinging to saying I am angry about this. YAWN. This is entertaining, watching you resort to every trick in your conman's handbook.

LOL

[moetheman]

Moetheman:
No, sorry! I just already answered the question. Go back and look for it.


Please. You are the one that obviously cannot read properly.


If MAC Addresses can be spoofed, then they're not credible as proof of anything, are they?


WRONG. Went over your head, again. One of the reasons they are credible is that it takes BRAINS to know that they even exist and how to spoof them. Proof of the fact that idiots don't know about them is you yourself.


Wrong, YOU don't. You are just saying what you think you know about TCP/IP, and making a fool of yourself. Try Googling MAC addresses and you will see for yourself that everything you think you know about it is wrong.


I just solved the mystery for you and your crew . . .


What? Hahahahaha this last one does not even make sense. You sound like those dipshits that sell that rediculous Q Ring or whatever its called to give people vitality and energy, just from a simple bracelett.

Anyway, sorry to now put you in your place, but here is a lesson for you in TCP/IP Networking:


I just gave you one - you have been humilliated in public, how does it feel?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am starting to enjoy this.


Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model This is the industry standard OSI model for data. TCP/IP functions at Layer 3 & 4, and MAC functions at Layer 2. Layer 2 is for the physical addressing of the local network.

If you then look at the structure of the IP packet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ip_%28struct%29 you'll see that it contains IP addressing only, not MAC addressing, because that is done in the lower layers (Layer 2).

That is why the arp function is needed to translate MAC <-> IP in order to deliver on the LAN.

The only exception in modern day for MAC to leave the LAN is when a user has a Cable Modem and the Cable Modem has a MAC address, which is sent via the PPPoE protocol (or PPP for dialup) to the local ISP for uthentication to allow Cable Modem to communicate on network and to get assigned an IP address from the ISP.

Once the Cable Modem PPPoE authentication is complete, the rest of the communication occurs at a higher Layer, so there is no MAC in the IP (IP or TCP/IP or higher).

Now before you decide that "Wiki" is shit or not good enough for you, kindly offer a good, smart reply to the contrary, or please shut the fuck up.


Do you realize what a clown you have just shown yourself to be?

I can't wait to see what inane imbecility you are going to come back with next.

Oh, and in case you missed it, the answer you have been begging for like a little bitch since last night is in my previous post.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you realize you are now my bitch?

[gonzo]

I see the disconnect here.

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[2MuchMark]

Yawn. No one said it was everywhere. Are you functionally illiterate? You strike me as though you are.



I am going to be generous to an ignoramus like you, and say this:

You will find it in the LINK section of a TCP packet.

You don't read people's posts do you?

Just gave you a freebie, jackass.



Yeah, keep clinging to saying I am angry about this. YAWN. This is entertaining, watching you resort to every trick in your conman's handbook.

LOL


Moetheman,

I have posted several replies to yours already, with links, with details, with explanations, and with questions.

You on the other hand, of posted nothing useful back. Why bother posting a "Hint" when you can post the link OR the text and shut me up for good?

The answer is, Moetheman, is because you don't know. You have been talking out of your ass the entire time. You have had plenty of chances to prove me wrong and put me in my place.

Let me try this, Moetheman. Tell me please. For 10 points, can you tell me what the difference is, between WAN and LAN?

And for an extra 10 points, can you give me an example of an IP Address that might exist in a WAN, and one that might exist in a LAN?

Once you GOOGLE to get the answers to these 2 basic questions, do some more, and then tell me, tell the world, tell yourself, how MAC Addresses can be broadcast over WAN a protocol (TCP/IP) that does not carry that information.

Until you prove me wrong, you are just all talk, no action.

Trust me, I will apologize to you if I am wrong, but I have asked several people and done some research, and I can't find anything to the contray.

And yeah yeah, I know you hate my guts. I am avoiding the issue, whatever the fuck you say big man. Try not to repeat yourself yet again when you answer me, ok?

I'm waiting.....!!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

(and by the way, my challenge to you to tell me what my MAC Address is is now almost 24 hours old and you haven't even done that. ) Afraid I'll lie about it? Ok! Let ANYONE here post their IP address and have Mr. KNow it All display their MAC address.

Oh fuck! Even better! Select ANY IP address on the Internet that we ALL can verify with a simple traceroute or ping (not your own, dumbass!). Then tell us how YOU, you fucking GENIUS you, got the MAC address. Then post the instructions so that we can ALL reproduce this fucking magical miracle that you insist exists.

Bring it the fuck on, or Shut it the Fuck up!

[moetheman]

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

HAHAHAHAHA

There goes the sidekick . . . how pathetic.

Read what I posted.

You are both my bitches now.

LOL

[2MuchMark]

HAHAHAHAHA

There goes the sidekick . . . how pathetic.

Read what I posted.

You are both my bitches now.

LOL


Um, Moe.. (can I call you Moe?)

I have already said I'm not an expert. I already asked you to prove me wrong. I already told you that I will apologize if I am wrong.

Now you can even make me your BITCH if I am wrong.

But you can't.

It's you that looks like a complete fool here.

Tell you what. I'll give you another 15 minutes to prove ANYTHING of what you have said, or take me up on ANY of my SIMPLE challenges to obtain ANY MAC address.

IF you can't do it by 5:30pm eastern time (15 minutes from now), then we'll know you're just talkin' shit.

Ok? Ok.

m

[moetheman]

Moetheman,

I have posted several replies to yours already, with links, with details, with explanations, and with questions.

You on the other hand, of posted nothing useful back. Why bother posting a "Hint" when you can post the link OR the text and shut me up for good?

The answer is, Moetheman, is because you don't know. You have been talking out of your ass the entire time. You have had plenty of chances to prove me wrong and put me in my place.

Let me try this, Moetheman. Tell me please. For 10 points, can you tell me what the difference is, between WAN and LAN?

And for an extra 10 points, can you give me an example of an IP Address that might exist in a WAN, and one that might exist in a LAN?

Once you GOOGLE to get the answers to these 2 basic questions, do some more, and then tell me, tell the world, tell yourself, how MAC Addresses can be broadcast over WAN a protocol (TCP/IP) that does not carry that information.

Until you prove me wrong, you are just all talk, no action.

Trust me, I will apologize to you if I am wrong, but I have asked several people and done some research, and I can't find anything to the contray.

And yeah yeah, I know you hate my guts. I am avoiding the issue, whatever the fuck you say big man. Try not to repeat yourself yet again when you answer me, ok?

I'm waiting.....!!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

(and by the way, my challenge to you to tell me what my MAC Address is is now almost 24 hours old and you haven't even done that. ) Afraid I'll lie about it? Ok! Let ANYONE here post their IP address and have Mr. KNow it All display their MAC address.

Oh fuck! Even better! Select ANY IP address on the Internet that we ALL can verify with a simple traceroute or ping (not your own, dumbass!). Then tell us how YOU, you fucking GENIUS you, got the MAC address. Then post the instructions so that we can ALL reproduce this fucking magical miracle that you insist exists.

Bring it the fuck on, or Shut it the Fuck up!

I done brought it the fuck on, and owned your ass.

If your networking gurus can't figure out how to look inside a TCP packet, they are not worthy of the title.

I posted the answer, the rest is up to you. If you can't obtain the information based on that, you are even dumber than what you have shown yourself to be.

I replied to all your inane imbecilities, and I see what you are doing, another conman trick: keep replying in total disregard of what has been said, so as to "bury" what others have previously stated, for the benefit of future readers of the thread.

Once again, you are assuming that others are as ignorant and dumb as you are.

How weak . . .

Remember, you are my bitch now.

[2MuchMark]

Hahahaha oh my god you're pathetic. I've proven you wrong, and you can't even admit to it.

Anyway, here we go. I've got bigger balls than you do my friend. Ready?

MOE:

Prove to me that I am wrong by getting my MAC address, and then show step by step how you did it, right here in this thread.

If you do this, I will make a $100.00 donation to ASACP or to FSC in your name. Not only that but I will scan the check and post it here, AND give you an apology and know, in my heart, that YOU are the fucking GOD of MAC Addresses.

What do you say? Prove me wrong and I'll consider the $100.00 well spent. Wouldn't you?

I will give you until 6pm eastern time (30 minutes from now) to prove it. You're such a fucking know-it-all expert, 30 minutes should be more than enough time to obtain my MAC address and shut me the fuck up. Of course if you can't do it, we will all understand.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[DannyCox]

[U][I][B]You will find it in the LINK section of a TCP packet.


I'm sorry, but I just went through a search and I can't find anywhere that says what you stated above. Everything I have read so far makes mention that a MAC Address is undiscoverable outside of a Network unless something is being used to actually broadcast it. I don't see anywhere that states a MAC Address is included in a TCP/IP/UDP packet. There is talk of MAC Layering in older network systems, like FDDI and Token Ring, but that is now all obsolete.

I'd love to know more about all this.

[moetheman]

Um, Moe.. (can I call you Moe?)

I have already said I'm not an expert. I already asked you to prove me wrong. I already told you that I will apologize if I am wrong.

Now you can even make me your BITCH if I am wrong.

But you can't.

It's you that looks like a complete fool here.

Tell you what. I'll give you another 15 minutes to prove ANYTHING of what you have said, or take me up on ANY of my SIMPLE challenges to obtain ANY MAC address.

IF you can't do it by 5:30pm eastern time (15 minutes from now), then we'll know you're just talkin' shit.

Ok? Ok.

m

You are already my bitch, punk.

Look inside a TCP packet. That is easy to do.

I have already made my point, you are just chattering on and on and on.

Point was and is: it is common knowledge that MAC address tracking is possible. That is how you were caught posting under another account.

How do you track it?

By looking inside a TCP packet. It's RIGHT in there! HAHAHAHAHA

All the other BS you tried to pile on to the discussion is just that. BS. Why don't companies use it? ETC ETC: IRRELEVANT to the point I made, and have proved.

That wasn't a hint, that was a direct answer. If you are not capable of understanding it, that's your problem Jack.

NOT giving you a freebie under the pretense of meeting your "challenges" or playing your little games. I could care less about that. I done know what I am talking about, whereas you are just putting on a clown show in an attempt to get out of having been caught posting under another account, which it was my intention to refute, and which I did. Plain and simple.

Anyone reading this who knows TCP/IP knows that the information I posted is accurate. And that's that. Go on, keep chattering.

[2MuchMark]

By looking inside a TCP packet. It's RIGHT in there! HAHAHAHAHA/


GOTCHA!!!!

So tell me, sir Genius,

Exact what MAC address does the TCP packet contain? The Mac address of the sender? The Mac address of the last hop? All of them? None of them?

You have just proven to EVERYONE that you don't know a fucking thing of what you're talking about.

You have failed to prove it to me, and failed to prove it to everyone else.

And I guess you don't want ASACP or FSC to have my $100.00 in your name.

I Win!

Look at my smiling face in my picture on the left. See that? That's me, Happy as shit. Don't you just wanna give me a kiss now?

Thank you and goodnight!

WOOHOO!!

Mark Prince

http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

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So were all these webmasters and clients of 2much.net as bad as me. Do you just have the best luck picking people who will fail on 2Much.net's platform.

I came to you to do a coaching site - completely non-adult. I went in this direction for reasons and my success and failure should not quite be measured in the first 9 months...

Let's look at your site 9 months later....
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://livecamnetwork.com

Boy 10 years at this and you only got 1 girl online.. Maybe you should be out recruiting. at least I had some talent wanting to work on a new site in a saturated market muscles or not.

[Mediaguy]

I done brought it the fuck on, and owned your ass.

If your networking gurus can't figure out how to look inside a TCP packet, they are not worthy of the title.

I posted the answer, the rest is up to you. If you can't obtain the information based on that, you are even dumber than what you have shown yourself


What you say is right about TCP packets within a LAN but NOT on the WAN side, where the packets carry only the MAC address of the closest router.


I replied to all your inane imbecilities, and I see what you are doing, another conman trick: keep replying in total disregard of what has been said, so as to "bury" what others have previously stated, for the benefit of future readers of the thread.


Talk about projection, yet in between all the insults and name calling you have only said you answered... without answering... amazing.

You have really changed your posting style with all this "bitch" and "yo" shit lol since the days when you were out protecting women's honour from perceived verbal attacks.

I guess the gentleman thing was too faggy....

[moetheman]

Hahahaha oh my god you're pathetic. I've proven you wrong, and you can't even admit to it.

Anyway, here we go. I've got bigger balls than you do my friend. Ready?

MOE:

Prove to me that I am wrong by getting my MAC address, and then show step by step how you did it, right here in this thread.

If you do this, I will make a $100.00 donation to ASACP or to FSC in your name. Not only that but I will scan the check and post it here, AND give you an apology and know, in my heart, that YOU are the fucking GOD of MAC Addresses.

What do you say? Prove me wrong and I'll consider the $100.00 well spent. Wouldn't you?

I will give you until 6pm eastern time (30 minutes from now) to prove it. You're such a fucking know-it-all expert, 30 minutes should be more than enough time to obtain my MAC address and shut me the fuck up. Of course if you can't do it, we will all understand.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Make it $1,000 USD to the Free Software Foundation and I will post a breakdown of how you can obtain a MAC address from a TCP packet.

As to how to obtain YOURS RIGHT NOW, that would entail breaking the law. I don't do that shit.

And then again, once again, the context being discussed was a WEB APPLICATION AND A CLIENT.

You know, I think you really are convinced that it cannot be done. Amazing. I figured you were just being your jackass self, but it seems as though you are convinced that it cannot be done.

If $1,000 is too much, ok, make it more than $100. To the Free Software Foundation. Straight up do that and I will post a breakdown of how to accomplish this.

As to having bigger balls than me, you wish, however, I can see that you are claiming that you will put your money where your mouth is at. Fair enough. More than 100 and to the Free Software Foundation.

I await your reply.

[Sexyteaser]

What you say is right about TCP packets within a LAN but NOT on the WAN side, where the packets carry only the MAC address of the closest router.



Talk about projection, yet in between all the insults and name calling you have only said you answered... without answering... amazing.

You have really changed your posting style with all this "bitch" and "yo" shit lol since the days when you were out protecting women's honour from perceived verbal attacks.

I guess the gentleman thing was too faggy....

WAN, BAN, LAN Thank you MAM or you all just still trying to cover your ass for coming on here as "Soundslikebullshit?"

Get a clue we know it's you however do you want some milk with those cookies?

[moetheman]

What you say is right about TCP packets within a LAN but NOT on the WAN side, where the packets carry only the MAC address of the closest router.

No, the packet contains the MAC address of both the sending and receiving computer.


Talk about projection, yet in between all the insults and name calling you have only said you answered... without answering... amazing.


Oh, I am sorry I didn't break it down enough for you. But I answered.


You have really changed your posting style with all this "bitch" and "yo" shit lol since the days when you were out protecting women's honour from perceived verbal attacks.

I guess the gentleman thing was too faggy....

I have changed my posting style??????

Please elaborate.

[2MuchMark]

As to how to obtain YOURS RIGHT NOW, that would entail breaking the law. I don't do that shit.


No its not breaking the law, because I am giving you permission right here to do it. Stop lying. And are you implying (or outright saying) that GONZO broke the law when he obtained someone's Mac Address? (You're slipping, dude!)


And then again, once again, the context being discussed was a WEB APPLICATION AND A CLIENT.

What? Now you're changing your tune!! Read my posts, asswipe! I said the only way you could obtain a Mac address from another machine would be to have a program installed on that machine which obtains and then posts the MAC address back to you. Are you now implying that Gonzo has SPYWARE on Oprano?

(No, he doesn't. The only way to do what you said is via an executable (or .msi file) that runs as an application on a windows machine. Jesus fucking H christ dude..)




If $1,000 is too much, ok, make it more than $100. To the Free Software Foundation. Straight up do that and I will post a breakdown of how to accomplish this.


Who the fuck is the Free Software Foundation? And how the fuck would it help ANYONE here in adult?

No way jackass. If I'm going to learn a $100.00 lesson from you I an going to pay to either ASACP or FSC since I beleive that they both help the Adult community. If you have another foundation that helps Adult then I will consider it.

You have 10 Minutes left, brainiac.

7....6....5...4...3..2..1..... MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF! (or me!) GO!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[2MuchMark]

WAN, BAN, LAN Thank you MAM or you all just still trying to cover your ass for coming on here as "Soundslikebullshit?"

Get a clue we know it's you however do you want some milk with those cookies?


Shit!

Shellee.... baby... please.... I am SO SORRY.....

I completely forgot that you are an EX MICROSOFT NETWORK ENGINEER GURU AND PERSONAL ADVISOR TO MR. GATES HIMSELF.

Can you perhaps tell us if its possible to obtain a MAC address of a PC without a client or web application running on that target machine?

And if you can't, maybe you can tippy-toe over to Steve Job's house next door and ask him?

[DannyCox]

You will find it in the LINK section of a TCP packet.

NOTE: I posted this on the previous page, but I don't think anyone saw it

I'm sorry, but I just went through a search and I can't find anywhere that says what you stated above. Everything I have read so far makes mention that a MAC Address is undiscoverable outside of a Network unless something is being used to actually broadcast it. I don't see anywhere that states a MAC Address is included in a TCP/IP/UDP packet. There is talk of MAC Layering in older network systems, like FDDI and Token Ring, but that is now all obsolete.

I'd love to know more about all this.

[gonzo]

Happy St Patricks day to yall.

Im getting in touch with my "roots".

[2MuchMark]

WAN, BAN, LAN Thank you MAM or you all just still trying to cover your ass for coming on here as "Soundslikebullshit?"


As I recall Shellee, you encouraged a little Troll of yours to log in under a fake name just to lend support to you as you lost another argument and stir shit up for you on a board a few months ago, under the name of "XXXPornGuy"? This is starting to seem like your work all over again. VERY Internesting....

m

[moetheman]

No its not breaking the law, because I am giving you permission right here to do it. Stop lying. And are you implying (or outright saying) that GONZO broke the law when he obtained someone's Mac Address? (You're slipping, dude!)


I would have to break in, and you posting on a thread is not enough permission. Also, I don't break into systems.


What? Now you're changing your tune!! Read my posts, asswipe! I said the only way you could obtain a Mac address from another machine would be to have a program installed on that machine which obtains and then posts the MAC address back to you. Are you now implying that Gonzo has SPYWARE on Oprano?

(No, he doesn't. The only way to do what you said is via an executable (or .msi file) that runs as an application on a windows machine. Jesus fucking H christ dude..)

Changing my tune? PLEASE. The original context was a web app and client. You turned that into "get mine right now" (like a 14 year old). I stated that you can get it from a TCP packet. There are many ways to look inside a TCP packet. No one was talking about spyware, you FUCKING IDIOT.
There are many ways to look inside a TCP packet. What is known as "spyware" (I know you don't even know the actual definition of it) CAN be ONE of the methods used to obtain this information.


Who the fuck is the Free Software Foundation? And how the fuck would it help ANYONE here in adult?


The person who started that is directly responsible for the creation of the operating system that most of the world's websites RUN on YOU FUCKING IDIOT.


No way jackass. If I'm going to learn a $100.00 lesson from you I an going to pay to either ASACP or FSC since I beleive that they both help the Adult community. If you have another foundation that helps Adult then I will consider it.

You have 10 Minutes left, brainiac.

7....6....5...4...3..2..1..... MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF! (or me!) GO!


Free Software Foundation.

[2MuchMark]

NOTE: I posted this on the previous page, but I don't think anyone saw it

I'm sorry, but I just went through a search and I can't find anywhere that says what you stated above. Everything I have read so far makes mention that a MAC Address is undiscoverable outside of a Network unless something is being used to actually broadcast it. I don't see anywhere that states a MAC Address is included in a TCP/IP/UDP packet. There is talk of MAC Layering in older network systems, like FDDI and Token Ring, but that is now all obsolete.

I'd love to know more about all this.


Hi Danny,

I saw it... and you're right. MAC addresses are undiscoverable outside of a LAN unless something is being used to broadcast it.

Mark

[Sexyteaser]

Shit!

Shellee.... baby... please.... I am SO SORRY.....

I completely forgot that you are an EX MICROSOFT NETWORK ENGINEER GURU AND PERSONAL ADVISOR TO MR. GATES HIMSELF.

Can you perhaps tell us if its possible to obtain a MAC address of a PC without a client or web application running on that target machine?

And if you can't, maybe you can tippy-toe over to Steve Job's house next door and ask him?

I prefer to eat cookies.

If you had been that smart you would have used a different network card not just a different IP when you logged in as "Soundslikebullshit."

[2MuchMark]

Here ye, here ye (oops sorry, only Shellee talks like that).

It is now 6:00, and Moeman has failed me. He has failed himself and everyone else here too.

I'm sorry, Moeman. It looks like you don't get that networking job after all. I hear McDonalds is hiring someone to clean the shitters at night, though.

What I may do is give the $100.00 to ASACP anyway, but under my own name, or Danny's, or hell, maybe even under Oprano's name.

Then again, there's a pub down the street with a fucking delicious pitcher of beer just waiting for me...

Ah well, we'll see.

Shellee: Cookies? Hmm.. better lay off them a little, if ya know what I mean.


Goodnight everyone! (And thanks for visiting Oprano.com)

I'm television'ss Mark "Nobody's bitch" Prince.
Add video chat to YOUR website! http://www.2Much.net
Send traffic to girls who convert! http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

WE LOVE YOU ALL!

[Sexyteaser]

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

[2MuchMark]

MooMan:
My mistake! The Free Software Foundation is interesting. However they don't bennifit me in the least. We pay for the licenses of the software that runs our servers already.

Anyway, you blew it. Goodbye, goodluck, happy searching for Mac addresses in your TCP layers.

Your Sniping Partner,

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Mediaguy]

No, the packet contains the MAC address of both the sending and receiving computer.


That's the case only within a local netowrk or a P2P connection.

I did what you said and ran a search. Didn't take long.

TCP/IP packets only need or use your MAC address within a LAN, or on a P2P connection. They keep a full ARP Table on local networks, but those sent out over WAN connections use only the MAC address of the last and next router; they don't need the MAC on your network card and they don't carry the MAC address of your router beyond the next router to destination.

[Sexyteaser]

MooMan:
My mistake! The Free Software Foundation is interesting. However they don't bennifit me in the least. We pay for the licenses of the software that runs our servers already.

Anyway, you blew it. Goodbye, goodluck, happy searching for Mac addresses in your TCP layers.

Your Sniping Partner,

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Wow things are improving 3 girls online and no one in paid chat.... And your going to have a beer.... try recruiting.

[2MuchMark]

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/


Here ya go, Shellee:
http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/faqs.htm. Scroll down to the bottom and it says:

"Why cannot I get MAC address of remote computer?
If the computer is out of LAN and the computer is not windows platform and without install NetBIOS protocol in network property, you cannot get mac address of this computer remotely."

When digging to find out if it was possible to grab MAC addresses or not, I found this program and this site, and then saw this line.

If anyone wants to, try running that program and entering our IP Address:205.150.5.126. You will see that it does not work because our computers are outside of "Your" lan.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[CouchSitter]

Hahahaha oh my god you're pathetic. I've proven you wrong, and you can't even admit to it.

Anyway, here we go. I've got bigger balls than you do my friend. Ready?

MOE:

Prove to me that I am wrong by getting my MAC address, and then show step by step how you did it, right here in this thread.

If you do this, I will make a $100.00 donation to ASACP or to FSC in your name. Not only that but I will scan the check and post it here, AND give you an apology and know, in my heart, that YOU are the fucking GOD of MAC Addresses.

What do you say? Prove me wrong and I'll consider the $100.00 well spent. Wouldn't you?

I will give you until 6pm eastern time (30 minutes from now) to prove it. You're such a fucking know-it-all expert, 30 minutes should be more than enough time to obtain my MAC address and shut me the fuck up. Of course if you can't do it, we will all understand.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Hey Mark I just got in here its nice to see you're remaining true to form with those whom disagree with you ...

Very nice work ...

[Mediaguy]

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

That's to find the MAC addresses of devices on your local network, and seems to be directed at network administrators who need to monitor larger networks and subnets.

[2MuchMark]

Wow things are improving 3 girls online and no one in paid chat.... And your going to have a beer.... try recruiting.

Hi Shellee,

Things are quite well, thanks. I'm sure you know what this is:
http://www.livecamnetwork.com/bbs-pictures/shelle-hale/moneyshot.jpg

Actually, we'll go have dinner with Michel (but we promise not to talk about you). The studios are running just fine. Now just run along and go play, or even better, hang out at LiveCamNetwork.com and see how this business works.

MUAH!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[DannyCox]

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

That's just for a LAN. I can get the same information by logging into my router. I still don't believe you can get a MAC address remotely. I may be wrong as I am nowhere near a Network guy, but from what I have read, that is just something used locally to a network.

[Sexyteaser]

Hi Shellee,

Things are quite well, thanks. I'm sure you know what this is:
http://www.livecamnetwork.com/bbs-pictures/shelle-hale/moneyshot.jpg

Actually, we'll go have dinner with Michel (but we promise not to talk about you). The studios are running just fine. Now just run along and go play, or even better, hang out at LiveCamNetwork.com and see how this business works.

MUAH!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Hey Couchsitter - does that look familiar isn't it one of those 2much.net accounting statements with the funny math - you know where 2+2 = 10 and we have to wait a week for Sue to fix it?

[Sexyteaser]

Well Mark 3 girls online and FINALLY one in paid chat - it's time for that beer. It took what 8 hours or so to get one of your girls in paid chat today.

Anyone else want to take advice from the gurus of cam sites Mark Prince and Greg Jones on running and marketing a chat site?

Yes I failed but I wasn't at this for 10 years and coming across like an expert while my site was looking so dismal.

[moetheman]

Hi Danny,

I saw it... and you're right. MAC addresses are undiscoverable outside of a LAN unless something is being used to broadcast it.

Mark

Hahaha

If you had paid the FSF, I would have given you a breakdown, but since you are such a cheap little ignorant fuck, I will give you a bigger freebie:

A PACKET SNIFFER CAN BE USED TO OBTAIN THE MAC ADDRESS FROM A TCP PACKET. IT WILL BE ON THE SECOND LINE TITLED "LINK" (WHICH GIVES YOU INFORMATION ABOUT LAYER 2) WHICH INCLUDES THE MAC ADDRESSES OF THE SENDING AND RECEIVING COMPUTER.

I know that you don't know what a packet sniffer is, and you are obviously confused about what can be done with it, or what is or isn't done with it, and you see it from a 14 year old point of view, and "challenge" others to do "cool" and "wow" stuff with it. Matter of fact is, by using a packet sniffer in certain ways, along with other software, you can obtain this information. The rest of your attempts at deflecting the focus from you being caught by Gonzo posting under another account are just that, pathetic attempts to wiggle out of being caught. Examples of that are "challenging" me to "get" your MAC address.

Anyone can see right through you.

How pathetic, attempting to turn this into some kind of "pride" and "authority" charade, where I am supposed to "impress" you and your sidekick, when in fact, quantifiable information is being discussed.

Now, I just told you how to get that info from a TCP packet, do I need to break it down for you even MORE?

If so, I won't do it . . . your games are ridiculous.

Now, try to refute that the MAC address can be obtained from a TCP packet using a packet sniffer.

Do it. Make more of an ass out of yourself.

[Hammer]

I like pie.

[Sexyteaser]

I like pie.

Hammer your back..... I got two black eyes a broken rib and a bruised kidney so don't make me re-live it with telling me how big of an idiot I am... Why didn't you just invite me over to the newbies section?

[moetheman]

Here ye, here ye (oops sorry, only Shellee talks like that).

It is now 6:00, and Moeman has failed me. He has failed himself and everyone else here too.

I'm sorry, Moeman. It looks like you don't get that networking job after all. I hear McDonalds is hiring someone to clean the shitters at night, though.

What I may do is give the $100.00 to ASACP anyway, but under my own name, or Danny's, or hell, maybe even under Oprano's name.

Then again, there's a pub down the street with a fucking delicious pitcher of beer just waiting for me...

Ah well, we'll see.

Shellee: Cookies? Hmm.. better lay off them a little, if ya know what I mean.


Goodnight everyone! (And thanks for visiting Oprano.com)

I'm television'ss Mark "Nobody's bitch" Prince.
WE LOVE YOU ALL!

Nice try. You have been proven to be an idiot.

The slew of hypothetical scenarios you brought into the discussion to muddle up the initial point are meaningless.

[moetheman]

MooMan:
My mistake! The Free Software Foundation is interesting. However they don't bennifit me in the least. We pay for the licenses of the software that runs our servers already.

Anyway, you blew it. Goodbye, goodluck, happy searching for Mac addresses in your TCP layers.

Your Sniping Partner,


Good luck trying to drink your problems away.

I have news for you: you've seen nothing yet.

[moetheman]

That's the case only within a local netowrk or a P2P connection.

I did what you said and ran a search. Didn't take long.

TCP/IP packets only need or use your MAC address within a LAN, or on a P2P connection. They keep a full ARP Table on local networks, but those sent out over WAN connections use only the MAC address of the last and next router; they don't need the MAC on your network card and they don't carry the MAC address of your router beyond the next router to destination.

Much as I dislike your innuendo, you at least have been ATTEMPTING to discuss facts.

I will say this: you are assuming that the only way to obtain the MAC addy of the computer that the user is on is by looking at JUST the TCP packets that reach the server (the "last leg" of the trip, so to speak).
That is not so.
The simple fact that the information is contained within TCP packets is enough for anyone with a bit of knowledge and half a brain to realize that the originating computer's MAC address can be eventually obtained after it has connected to a server on the WAN.

Which has been the point all along.

I am not going to break it down for you all any further. I am amazed that it appears as though you two TRULY CANNOT obtain this information on your own.

And guess what? I AM NOT EVEN INTO NETWORKING THAT MUCH AT ALL AND I KNOW THIS!!!!!!

Goes to show.

[Hammer]

Hammer your back..... I got two black eyes a broken rib and a bruised kidney so don't make me re-live it with telling me how big of an idiot I am... Why didn't you just invite me over to the newbies section?
How'd you do that?

Look, sometimes we all tend to post things we don't mean and I'm sure you're not an idiot. I apologize for calling you one. I still don't think it's a good idea to post home addresses on an adult forum, especially for a woman. One of the major complaints many solo models had concerning the changes to 2257 was the fact that they'd have to post their home address as the custodian of records and they were worried about stalkers.

I also had a problem with your cavalier attitude over the child references in your code when it was pointed out to you. I realize the way it was brought to your attention and the fact that it was done so by someone with a fake nick wasn't the optimal way of doing so but it was still something that IMO should have been addressed immediately.

The newbies section doesn't seem to be very popular here on Oprano and even though I'm the moderator I must admit I rarely remember to check it out.

[Sexyteaser]

How'd you do that?

Look, sometimes we all tend to post things we don't mean and I'm sure you're not an idiot. I apologize for calling you one. I still don't think it's a good idea to post home addresses on an adult forum, especially for a woman. One of the major complaints many solo models had concerning the changes to 2257 was the fact that they'd have to post their home address as the custodian of records and they were worried about stalkers.

I also had a problem with your cavalier attitude over the child references in your code when it was pointed out to you. I realize the way it was brought to your attention and the fact that it was done so by someone with a fake nick wasn't the optimal way of doing so but it was still something that IMO should have been addressed immediately.

The newbies section doesn't seem to be very popular here on Oprano and even though I'm the moderator I must admit I rarely remember to check it out.

I did not mean to sound or look cavalier but I did. I was actually freaking out and wanted to make sure some important people viewed it and took notice that the incinuations of the links to cp were false. This took some time I had to cover all my bases with the accusations so outrageous.

Once that was accomplished I made the documentation and changes as not to seem like I was hiding something.

I would not be lucky to have a stalker but I'm definitely not fun to stalk it would wear someone out following me around. My name, address, phone and a ton of other information is out there all over the place and I have been around dangerous people volunteering - I checked in a level 3 sex offender to a shelter who shot and killed his girlfriend in front of a pact house last year so it isn't like I have not seen some bad stuff or have been pretty scared at times - gone into some rough neighborhoods in the middle of the night to respond with Disaster Relief.

Don't give up on me yet - I really have some good ideas and they all will take some time to fully develop. I think most of the mentors I have in this business have a Mark Prince type story and spent a lot of money on attorney's regretfully.

Keep looking out for my work and give me some good criticism I respect and appreciate the opinions of those that really want to help.

Thank you for your concern and it's a little late to take it back... whats done is done.

[bluemoney]

I'm Dick Fitzwell from Cumming Georgia :waving:

[2MuchMark]

Hey Couchsitter - does that look familiar isn't it one of those 2much.net accounting statements with the funny math - you know where 2+2 = 10 and we have to wait a week for Sue to fix it?


Hi Shellee,

I'm sorry if you never learned even basic math in school. I guess you just never needed it living off of your hubby's success. Must suck to forever be in someone's shadow, no? Oh well. I'm sure if you put your mind to it you can be an expert tupperware party planner.

[2MuchMark]

[quote=Shelleehale;808763]Well Mark 3 girls online and FINALLY one in paid chat -[quote]

Here you go, Shellee:

This screenshot is just like yesterdays, and just like the day before. Damn these girls are popular. If only you had girls like this on your site instead of that fat fuck prostitute of yours.

http://www.livecamnetwork.com/bbs-pictures/shelle-hale/livecamnetwork-status.jpg


Oh but wait!!! I totally forgot!! You were the fucking EXPERT who told me that Guys don't care about looks - and we don't care about personality. All that we care about is a fucking gaping CUNT on screen and MEN will pay $5.00 a minute to see one!!

Genius, Shelee Hale, pure Genius.

[Sexyteaser]

Hi Shellee,

I'm sorry if you never learned even basic math in school. I guess you just never needed it living off of your hubby's success. Must suck to forever be in someone's shadow, no? Oh well. I'm sure if you put your mind to it you can be an expert tupperware party planner.

Even if that was true it would be better than borrowing money from your girlfriend Tracy to keep your Company out of bankruptcy.

[2MuchMark]

Hahaha


I know that you don't know what a packet sniffer is,


Wow, you sure owned me. You're right about everything.

ATTENTION, EVERYONE: IF YOU NEED AN EXPERT NETWORKING / SECURITY GURU, PLEASE CONTACT MOETHEMAN!! HE REALLY KNOWS HIS STUFF!

[2MuchMark]

Even if that was true it would be better than borrowing money from your girlfriend Tracy to keep your Company out of bankruptcy.


Hahahahaha... yep! Got me.

[gonzo]

Damn all this talk about gaping cunts.

Im gettng thristy again.

Did yall keep at this the entire time?

[helix]

Happy St Patricks day to yall.

Im getting in touch with my "roots".

Thanks, and a happy one to you as well. I raise one in honor of our heritage. I even used a green theme on my new webcam blog tonight :okthumb:

[Sexyteaser]

Well you must be really busy manipulating things to try and look good on here - this is the screen shot I took a short while ago. Let's see we are bragging about the 5 girls online? You go!

[2MuchMark]

Hi Everyone -

I have an idea.... here me out.

It's very clear here that some people don't like each other. Thats a given. It's also clear that alot of people have alot of strong opinions and even some good ideas.

Shellee, I don't like you because I consider you a bragger who insists on giving people advice even though you have no experience. It doesn't mean that your advice is not good, it means that your advice may not necessary have as much value as you think it does.

You don't like me because you think that our program doesn't work. You blame us for the failure of the 2 chat sites you had with us. I disagree, but your belief is your belief, and that's fine. It's yours, and I won't try to change your mind anymore.

Moeman, well, um, sorry. I have nothing to say to you dude, sorry. You were just mean to me for no reason and all I tried to do was to ask you to educate me if I was wrong. I have no room for you in my business, sorry. (And thanks for the hundred bucks)

Anyway, there is a GREAT opportunity here. Please continue to read this post for a while and see what everyone thinks.

We (2Much) have a video chat program called LiveCamNetwork v2.0. It is my entire life and that of my programmers. I swear my my fathers grave (Robert) that the accounting is accurate, that it works well, and that we are not out to screw anyone.

On this very board we have marketers, billers, talent (and agents), and traffic guru's. In essence, everyone still reading this can contribute "something".

What if we could assemble a small group of people, in this very thread, to form at least a temporary trial business idea.

Think about it! We can provide the software to anyone for free. We will give all the usernames and passwords so EVERYONE here can check and re-check the system until they are blue in the face. We can assign each person a different task. YOU! Get traffic. YOU!! Get chat models. YOU!!! - Make the website look snappy.

Everyone is busy here shooting off their mouths about what an expert they are here, right? Why don't we prove it not only to the world, but to ourselves as well?

We will provide our software for free. We can all take a cut of the revenues it generates. We can all agree on every single part of the deal, otherwise there's no deal.

Besides our software, what 2Much will bring to the table is everything that we have learned in the past bazillion years. We have about 25 chat models that we train and log in during various days of the week. Everyone can contribute their own chat models too.

So what do you say? Are you EXPERT enough to come on board? Call it the grand Adult experiment or anything you want. Even better, since Gonzo was gracious enough to allow this thread to continue, I say we should continue to use this thread to communicate with everyone else!

I have no trouble whatsoever making ALL of the stats, web, sales, expenses etc, completely public to ANYONE who is interested.

I and 2Much Internet Services Inc stands by our product 100000%. Many of our customers that Shellee listed earlier failed simply because they were newb's who did not understand the adult market. While I'm sure there are some newb's reading this, there are certainly more experts.

So what do you say?

2MUCH Internet is willing to offer-up its software and experience to anyone up for this new revenue stream. I am proposing a no-cash-up-front partnership for anyone and everyone who is interested, installed on the domain name of your choice.

Anyone who would like to talk to me about this can ICQ me at 322403761


Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[2MuchMark]

Well you must be really busy manipulating things to try and look good on here - this is the screen shot I took a short while ago. Let's see we are bragging about the 5 girls online? You go!

Shellee,

2 Of the girls in your screenshot went home 30 minutes ago at 10:30pm eastern time, but your post as listed as 5 minutes ago at 11:00pm eastern time. Who is manipulating what exactly?

I suggest that you check http://cam.livecamnetwork.com/cgi-bin/customer/vibe_custmain.cgi right now at 11:02pm. They're all in private or group chat again. This page refreshes every 60 seconds.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Shellee,

2 Of the girls in your screenshot went home 30 minutes ago at 10:30pm eastern time, but your post as listed as 5 minutes ago at 11:00pm eastern time. Who is manipulating what exactly?

I suggest that you check http://cam.livecamnetwork.com/cgi-bin/customer/vibe_custmain.cgi right now at 11:02pm. They're all in private or group chat again. This page refreshes every 60 seconds.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Are you kidding me - I did take it 30 minutes ago but I am sure when you got back from beers and read the thread about no one in paid chat still you spent a few minutes "fixing that" took a screen shot to post here like eveyone wants to go see your 5 girls online. Do you think anyone really cares about your 5 chat hosts? Please.

Then you tried this before with the free offer on Ynot after the bashing over there and did that ever pan out for you....Nope!

Why don't you share with all of us the two new clients you sold to and their site names? Or was that another lie as well.

Accounting errors 101 - Here is a snipit of the errrors

Shellee,

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and here is another one

Shellee,

I found my notes - thanks.

MBASE
The MBASE fees will be credited and corrected. After this you will be charged 35 cents per minute for ALL mbase usage.

Technical Support:
We will credit you for all Chatvibe Licenses. Technical Support for your performers will NOT be offered or rendered until this has been cleared with you first. At that time you will be required to send us a signed letter by fax authorizing you to give that performer ANY support, clearly indication the performers name, real name, date and time. We will not render any support whatsoever for your performers or customers until we have received this authorization by fax.

Email Setup Fee:
You are allowed 10 email setups. To the best of my knowledge you already have 2 or 3. Once you reach 10, you will be charged $100.00 for each additional email address.

Refunds on chargebacks.
There will be absolutely no refund on chargebacks or revenue share. I am fully aware of the legal issue regarding tips, however I will argue that Webmasters who bring you customers via MBASE are entitled to a percentage of all sales they bring to your models, including tips. If you disagree you are free to post this question to the BBS and ask all of our customers who drive traffic to your models if they should give up 100% of their revenue to you or not.

10% Holdback.
No problem, Shellee. We will payout whatever the current holdback is owed to you as soon as we receive a guarantee for MABSE usage. As stipulated in 4.05.04 "Payment Guarantees for MBASE Usage" which reads: Licensee shall put up such additional sureties which are, in the sole and absolute discretion of Licensor, sufficient to cover any negative account balance that may occur in the operation and/or maintenance of the Licensee's website, or which will cover additional services requested by Licensee, and the amount will be based upon an estimate provided by Licensor which would cover, at the minimum, an equivalent of three months operating expenses and Mbased usage, including an amount to cover hold backs which, in the sole and absolute discretion of Licensor, may be incurred in the operation of the website; Which shall be in this case, $1500.00 USD per website. If you prefer not to pay the $1500.00 per website, then we respectfully suggest that you leave your 10% holdback where it is until 6 months after each original purchase from each retail customer of your sites.



Mark Prince

[moetheman]

Wow, you sure owned me. You're right about everything.

ATTENTION, EVERYONE: IF YOU NEED AN EXPERT NETWORKING / SECURITY GURU, PLEASE CONTACT MOETHEMAN!! HE REALLY KNOWS HIS STUFF!

Hahaha

As I previously stated, I am not even into networking that much . . .

I am a Junior Ruby/Python programmer.

But, WHATEVER homes, I joined the slugfest in order to refute your claim that Gonzo did not catch you posting under another account because it was technologically impossible.

I have illustrated, albeit at a high level, that you were either lying, or did not know it could be done. It turns out you really did not know that. I had thought that you were just being an ass.

Either way, my point was that. And just that.

[moetheman]

Hi Everyone -
Moeman, well, um, sorry. I have nothing to say to you dude, sorry. You were just mean to me for no reason and all I tried to do was to ask you to educate me if I was wrong. I have no room for you in my business, sorry. (And thanks for the hundred bucks)


Niiiiiice. You admit that I was right in the debate, and now refuse to donate the money.

You should donate it to ANY legitimate charity.

[2MuchMark]

Niiiiiice. You admit that I was right in the debate, and now refuse to donate the money.

You should donate it to ANY legitimate charity.

Whatever you say. You bragged about your know-how, and I bet you in front of everyone here that you couldn't prove it. A simple LINK to a network expert site would have been all the proof anyone here needed, but you couldn't even produce that because you were wront.

And now, everyone knows you for the fool, the liar, and the joke that you are.

Try not to toss and turn too much tonight as you think about how I, a confessed non-expert, proved you wrong.

Mark Prince