Girls...

[softball]

OK, you guys can shit all over this, but I have seen a bunch of girls post here and then they are gone when they get what they want. They never....ever stay. Am I wrong?????

[Hell Puppy]

OK, you guys can shit all over this, but I have seen a bunch of girls post here and then they are gone when they get what they want. They never....ever stay. Am I wrong?????

And this is different from real life how?

[Rcourt64]

OK, you guys can shit all over this, but I have seen a bunch of girls post here and then they are gone when they get what they want. They never....ever stay. Am I wrong?????

Ya :hmm: and why doesn't this work with you also????

[Nymph]

OK, you guys can shit all over this, but I have seen a bunch of girls post here and then they are gone when they get what they want. They never....ever stay. Am I wrong?????

I'm still here. Real life has just been a bit crazy for me lately.

[sarettah]

http://www.bntnews.com/heman.jpg

[Rcourt64]

http://www.bntnews.com/heman.jpg
:lmao1::rofl::lmao1:
ROTFL!!! theres tears in my eyes man :bustingup

[Nymph]

http://www.bntnews.com/heman.jpg

Please, just don't let him sing! :unsure:

[sarettah]

http://www.bntnews.com/mens_kouch.jpg

[Rcourt64]

Rhetorical does got some serious issues when it comes to associating with females. :huh:
And then he's got the cojones to ask why they run off all the time?
Do women run away from you in Canada also man? is that why the only one you can get to pose for you is that BroomHilda in stockings you keep showing us?

[softball]

http://www.bntnews.com/heman.jpg
Glad to see that I am taking up a lot of your valuable creative time. I guess you waste more time thinking about me than I thought. Oops, sorry I didn't mean waste, that was a nice piece of work, just a lot more time than I would ever devote to you. LOL.

[Hammer]

He didn't waste any time other than looking for the pic on Google images cause it's real. I saw three people wearing that badge at the supermarket tonight.

[softball]

He didn't waste any time other than looking for the pic on Google images cause it's real. I saw three people wearing that badge at the supermarket tonight.

Yeah, but he photoshopped it. Takes time.

[Rcourt64]

Yeah, but he photoshopped it. Takes time.

photoshopped it... takes time? :bustingup your a fucking idiot man

[helix]

perhaps it's the warm greeting you seem to give all of them?
just a guess.

[softball]

perhaps it's the warm greeting you seem to give all of them?
just a guess.

all of them? Who would that be?

[EmporerEJ]

Am I wrong?????


Oh, where to begin.....so many words....so little time.....

[Jace]

it isn't just oprano, it is everywhere these days

[miz_wright]

Hey, now, I take exception to that.

'cos I'm here to talk to y'all. And 'cos AprilK thinks Gonzo has got it goin' on. :P

[Jace]

Hey, now, I take exception to that.

'cos I'm here to talk to y'all. And 'cos AprilK thinks Gonzo has got it goin' on. :P

exception granted

but chances are you won't be here 2 months from now

[Hammer]

Yeah, but he photoshopped it. Takes time.
I think you missed my point. I was saying that he hadn't Photoshopped it because I'd seen people wearing it, so he just found it on the Net.

Oviously I know he made it, I was joking, but I guess it wasn't a very good one.

[Hammer]

Is it any wonder "girls' (I prefer to call them women), don't stick around long an any adult webmaster board? It's not just an Oprano phenomenon.

The first thing that is said in the way of welcome on any board when a woman first posts is "show us your tits" followed by plenty of sexual innuendo and childish behavior which often makes me embarrassed to be a man, but that happens a lot in life, not just on webmaster boards. Men are pigs.

[miz_wright]

It's entirely possible that in two months I won't be posting much - but I've always been more of a lurker on boards anyhow. To be fair, I'm not posting all that much now, if you think about it.

I've got boards I've been on for seven years and have only racked up ten posts, so comparitively, I'm being hella active here.

exception granted

but chances are you won't be here 2 months from now

[Jace]

It's entirely possible that in two months I won't be posting much - but I've always been more of a lurker on boards anyhow. To be fair, I'm not posting all that much now, if you think about it.

I've got boards I've been on for seven years and have only racked up ten posts, so comparitively, I'm being hella active here.

hehe, you said hella

[gonzo]

Hey, now, I take exception to that.

'cos I'm here to talk to y'all. And 'cos AprilK thinks Gonzo has got it goin' on. :P
Aprils boyfriend will be standing guard to make sure I never get in Charlotte again at this rate.

[miz_wright]

Sho' nuff. 'Cos I am Old Skool, y'all.

hehe, you said hella

[Rcourt64]

I'm guessing women can't multi-task So they'd rather spend the time doing something more productive?

all of them? Who would that be?

Well lets see now...:g01:

First there was Sabby, then came Sabby, after that you ran off Sabby, then you did work with a Sabby. After that you scared of Sabby. and I recall something about a Sabby, But before that you freak out a Sabby.
Holdon now, I'm thinking here, cuz I think there was also a Sabby to.

[softball]

Is it any wonder "girls' (I prefer to call them women), don't stick around long an any adult webmaster board? It's not just an Oprano phenomenon.

The first thing that is said in the way of welcome on any board when a woman first posts is "show us your tits" followed by plenty of sexual innuendo and childish behavior which often makes me embarrassed to be a man, but that happens a lot in life, not just on webmaster boards. Men are pigs.
That was exactly my point when Trisha showed up. Then all the boys jumped on the Rhetorical hates Trish bandwagon, then Trish climbed on board and then the swarming began. It is the same old story. My threads and posts were never about Trisha but about the way girls are welcomed and treated on a board. Not like business people. But usually they show their tits and it is all over because they just work it. Then they leave. Not sure who is to blame for this vicious cycle. Personally, I would never ever ever ask a woman I was doing business with to show me her tits unless she was a performer that I was hiring. I think that shit should be left to the zoo and all the traffic rats looking for a cheap thrill.

[ScreaM]

http://www.bntnews.com/heman.jpg

LMAO! Good one.

[Hammer]

That was exactly my point when Trisha showed up. Then all the boys jumped on the Rhetorical hates Trish bandwagon, then Trish climbed on board and then the swarming began. It is the same old story. My threads and posts were never about Trisha but about the way girls are welcomed and treated on a board. Not like business people. But usually they show their tits and it is all over because they just work it. Then they leave. Not sure who is to blame for this vicious cycle. Personally, I would never ever ever ask a woman I was doing business with to show me her tits unless she was a performer that I was hiring. I think that shit should be left to the zoo and all the traffic rats looking for a cheap thrill.
Unfortunately, a lot of men have trouble treating female colleagues with respect and that's not just something that happens on webmaster boards.

Some of them bring it on themselves and even beg for it, like Trisha, who I think posts here less for business and more for her ego, but when a woman comes along that isn't content, it would be nice if she was just treated like one of the guys. Unfortunately, most of any board's members are assholes.

[gandalfuy]

And this is different from real life how?

:okthumb:

[miz_wright]

Unfortunately, a lot of men have trouble treating female colleagues with respect and that's not just something that happens on webmaster boards.

Some of them bring it on themselves and even beg for it, like Trisha, who I think posts here less for business and more for her ego, but when a woman comes along that isn't content, it would be nice if she was just treated like one of the guys. Unfortunately, most of any board's members are assholes.

Gee, Hammer... You gotta watch sayin' stuff like that or people might start thinkin' you're a nice guy.

That said, I think you're on to something. I mean, I accept that there's always going to be a certain level of "hey baby, every had your asshole licked by a fat man in an overcoat?" going on - it is a strongly guy-weighted industry, after all. But on the other hand... It gets pretty tiring to try to talk to someone about numbers and business and get "Yeh, sure... Wanna do a shoot? I've got a camera..."

[Hammer]

"hey baby, every had your asshole licked by a fat man in an overcoat?"
I am a nice guy, but it is just plain wrong for Gonzo to say this to every chick he meets.

[gonzo]

That said, I think you're on to something. I mean, I accept that there's always going to be a certain level of "hey baby, every had your asshole licked by a fat man in an overcoat?" going on - it is a strongly guy-weighted industry, after all. But on the other hand... It gets pretty tiring to try to talk to someone about numbers and business and get "Yeh, sure... Wanna do a shoot? I've got a camera..."

2 Points of clarification...
1. I dont lick assholes
2. I dont have an overcoat.

Yall should spend some time with Trisha away from the show frivolity. Youll find shes quite a businesswoman in her own right.

What you call ego... I would call marketing. Afterall she relaunched her own site and was trying to get some webmaster promo going. Everyone got to see what they would be promoting.

Smart bidness.

[Rcourt64]

I am a nice guy, but it is just plain wrong for Gonzo to say this to every chick he meets.

:lmao1: Oh shit, does he really say that??? :thumbup:

[miz_wright]

:lmao1: Oh shit, does he really say that??? :thumbup:

Of course not, silly :P. It's a line from a movie, chosen to make a point about the crude nature of contact that often happens to women in the industry, without regard to what that woman actually does. Y'know, backing up what Hammer was saying about the general state of interaction on boards.

I get the complaint about chicks that are only here to self-promote and then bail. On the other hand, it can be a tough environment in which to hang tight.

[gonzo]

:lmao1: Oh shit, does he really say that??? :thumbup:
I didnt have any time to run any game in Miami . . . I was trying to trap a wild west coast Cougar.

Did you know they get seasick?

[Rcourt64]

LMAO! Good one.

Yupper. :) I was still giggling when I went to bed last night on that one :okthumb:

[Rcourt64]

I didnt have any time to run any game in Miami . . . I was trying to trap a wild west coast Cougar.

Did you know they get seasick?

uhhh, I'm scared to reply to anything you ask anymore man, cuz I'll never know what you'll come back with? :blink:

[EmporerEJ]

Then all the boys jumped on the Rhetorical hates Trish bandwagon, then Trish climbed on board and then the swarming began. .


Not me...I was on the EJ hates rhetorical bandwagon. It was just on the same road at the time.

:car-smile

[EmporerEJ]

Some of them bring it on themselves and even beg for it, like Trisha, who I think posts here less for business and more for her ego, but when a woman comes along that isn't content, it would be nice if she was just treated like one of the guys. Unfortunately, most of any board's members are assholes.

I'm worried she'll turn out to be smarter than me, and challenge my manhood.

:unsure:

[Rcourt64]

Not me...I was on the EJ hates rhetorical bandwagon. It was just on the same road at the time.

:car-smile

I'm on the Pimp my bitch rhetorial wagon, but it's only made me 20 bucks so far. I think my bitch whore rhetorical is all used up :(

[sarettah]

Glad to see that I am taking up a lot of your valuable creative time. I guess you waste more time thinking about me than I thought. Oops, sorry I didn't mean waste, that was a nice piece of work, just a lot more time than I would ever devote to you. LOL.



lololol....

I was sick all day on the couch, had to find something to do to make me feel not totally worthless.

Sick today too, but sitting in the office.

Actually when I first read the initial post back whenever it was posted the "He man women haters club" had jumped right into mind. I am a big fan of the little rascals...lol

[Sexyteaser]

I am still here - Does that mean I didn't get what I wanted yet?

[Hammer]

I am still here - Does that mean I didn't get what I wanted yet?
Considering you only joined 2 months ago, it's too soon to say.

[softball]

lololol....

I was sick all day on the couch, had to find something to do to make me feel not totally worthless.

Sick today too, but sitting in the office.

Actually when I first read the initial post back whenever it was posted the "He man women haters club" had jumped right into mind. I am a big fan of the little rascals...lol
Its ok Sar, you don't have to explain it to me. You waste your time however you like. I spose I should be flattered that you wasted it on lil ol me.

[softball]

Not me...I was on the EJ hates rhetorical bandwagon. It was just on the same road at the time.

:car-smile

Sure, and Jupiter is aligned with mars. But only when the moon is in Uranus.

[sarettah]

Its ok Sar, you don't have to explain it to me. You waste your time however you like. I spose I should be flattered that you wasted it on lil ol me.

It is never wasted time. I learned how to curve and scale the text to put it right where I wanted to. Had not done that before.

I had curved text, I had scaled text, But never to place into a preexisting arc.

[softball]

It is never wasted time. I learned how to curve and scale the text to put it right where I wanted to. Had not done that before.

I had curved text, I had scaled text, But never to place into a preexisting arc.
Wow, you are a party in a box.

[trishauptown]

all of them? Who would that be?

ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[softball]

ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, Trish. Don't make me believe what they say about web girls. I know you can read. Now try and regroup, read the posts and realize it is not, never was, nor ever will be about you. Stop doing the bimbo thing and count on a bunch of horndogs to help you out. Act like a business person. The rest of it? Save it for your customers.

[EmporerEJ]

Sure, and Jupiter is aligned with mars. But only when the moon is in Uranus.


That sure is punny fun!

[spazlabz]

Is it any wonder "girls' (I prefer to call them women), don't stick around long an any adult webmaster board? It's not just an Oprano phenomenon.

The first thing that is said in the way of welcome on any board when a woman first posts is "show us your tits" followed by plenty of sexual innuendo and childish behavior which often makes me embarrassed to be a man, but that happens a lot in life, not just on webmaster boards. Men are pigs.
HEY!!
I resemble that remark... and its part of my charm :boober::flash:

respect: what a guy shows to a babe so she'll show her bobbies!! :yowsa:


spaz

[Hammer]

respect: what a guy shows to a babe so she'll show her bobbies!! :yowsa:
Socks?

[Rcourt64]

Socks?

:lol: that was funny

[spazlabz]

respect: what a guy shows to a babe so she'll show her boobies!!

ferking trader!


spaz

[trishauptown]

That was exactly my point when Trisha showed up. Then all the boys jumped on the Rhetorical hates Trish bandwagon, then Trish climbed on board and then the swarming began. It is the same old story. My threads and posts were never about Trisha but about the way girls are welcomed and treated on a board. Not like business people. But usually they show their tits and it is all over because they just work it. Then they leave. Not sure who is to blame for this vicious cycle. Personally, I would never ever ever ask a woman I was doing business with to show me her tits unless she was a performer that I was hiring. I think that shit should be left to the zoo and all the traffic rats looking for a cheap thrill.

I as am a woman do not find it to be a vicious cycle. We also take it as a way to get out foot in the door because that is how the world works and what you are promoting in the porn world and even in the main stream market.......sex sells...i think we should know that......I love that fact that i do not have to act like a uptight business woman.......Like Larry Flynt one of our founding father said, "Relax it is just sex"

I appreciate the fact that you are sticking up for women in your own weird way, but you should maybe do it in a way that doesn't seem like you are a woman hater.

[trishauptown]

Unfortunately, a lot of men have trouble treating female colleagues with respect and that's not just something that happens on webmaster boards.

Some of them bring it on themselves and even beg for it, like Trisha, who I think posts here less for business and more for her ego, but when a woman comes along that isn't content, it would be nice if she was just treated like one of the guys. Unfortunately, most of any board's members are assholes.


See it is a double edge sword that "talent" has to ride....we come in and webmasters think we are "dumb" because we use are bodies to make money. If we aren't titty showing fun girls....then they dont want to sell and promote us because we are uptight, yet at the same time there is a middle ground you have to walk......the women who are not in front of the camera should be treated like professional but again in the same right you need to know what business you are in "PORN"" hello............

As far as my ego.......Hammer wow.....you dont know me well enough.......i really dont have an ego.........I am just a fun spirited girl!!

I am just at point right now where I am figuring out my how to do a lot of this work myself. So I am really doing a lot more reading and learning at this point and posting from time to time be social......I post more here because people are friendly and willing to help a model rather then treat her like a piece of meat.....but to say I dont want them to look at my tail from time to time would be a lie......if i wasnt an exhibitionst i would be in front of the camera.....and if you didnt want to look from time to time you wouldnt be in the business either.

[softball]

I as am a woman do not find it to be a vicious cycle. We also take it as a way to get out foot in the door because that is how the world works and what you are promoting in the porn world and even in the main stream market.......sex sells...i think we should know that......I love that fact that i do not have to act like a uptight business woman.......Like Larry Flynt one of our founding father said, "Relax it is just sex"

I appreciate the fact that you are sticking up for women in your own weird way, but you should maybe do it in a way that doesn't seem like you are a woman hater.
Why would I hate women? This business is full of mysogenists, but I am not one of them. I dislike "professionals" who don't treat women as such. I dislike women who show us their tits for attention when I am more interested in their acumen or witty prose. Show your tits to the surfer to convert them. If any of these "professionals" wanna see your tits, they should drop by your place of business and join. Anyone trying to get free pics is just another unconverted surfer. You showing them is just unprofessional, imho. But most around here would disagree. If I need to see another freeking booty shaking video, I can find one on some freeking mgp somewhere. I don't need to see it on a business board.

[trishauptown]

I am a nice guy, but it is just plain wrong for Gonzo to say this to every chick he meets.

see!!!!!!!.............I am offended that he didnt say that too me...........

[softball]

"and if you didnt want to look from time to time you wouldnt be in the business either."
I "look" most of my business day. I don't look at those who I do business with unless they are talent that I hire.

[trishauptown]

OK, you guys can shit all over this, but I have seen a bunch of girls post here and then they are gone when they get what they want. They never....ever stay. Am I wrong?????


WOW!!!! Wait!!!! Dont men do this to woman all the time............get what they want then they are gone.......so how does it feel to be on the other end of the stick.

[riabanana]

You should try going out sometime, rhetorical.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/theasss.5.gif (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/theasss/~6/5)

[trishauptown]

It's entirely possible that in two months I won't be posting much - but I've always been more of a lurker on boards anyhow. To be fair, I'm not posting all that much now, if you think about it.

I've got boards I've been on for seven years and have only racked up ten posts, so comparitively, I'm being hella active here.


That is how I am........I have been around a while but do more lurking then active posting.......

[softball]

WOW!!!! Wait!!!! Dont men do this to woman all the time............get what they want then they are gone.......so how does it feel to be on the other end of the stick.

I am not at the other end of the stick, so I have no idea.

[trishauptown]

Of course not, silly :P. It's a line from a movie, chosen to make a point about the crude nature of contact that often happens to women in the industry, without regard to what that woman actually does. Y'know, backing up what Hammer was saying about the general state of interaction on boards.

I get the complaint about chicks that are only here to self-promote and then bail. On the other hand, it can be a tough environment in which to hang tight.


It is a tough environment!! i totally agree!!

I dont know why people complain about chicks promoting themselves......what are they suppose to do? Make money for someone else and not themselves. I dont want to promote someone else companies......I have plenty of times......but if you had your own company why would u push another product. I would rather the girls take a more hands on approach to show that we do have personalities and are real people.

[softball]

"I would rather the girls take a more hands on approach to show that we do have personalities and are real people."
My point exactly.

[trishauptown]

I am still here - Does that mean I didn't get what I wanted yet?

Me neither........what are we doing wrong here girl?......lets grab the lute and get out of town..........

[softball]

Me neither........what are we doing wrong here girl?......lets grab the lute and get out of town..........

You are a musician?

[trishauptown]

Please, Trish. Don't make me believe what they say about web girls. I know you can read. Now try and regroup, read the posts and realize it is not, never was, nor ever will be about you. Stop doing the bimbo thing and count on a bunch of horndogs to help you out. Act like a business person. The rest of it? Save it for your customers.

Then you should have put the men you were referring to in the header not my name...............


Dont make me classify you in with the haters.

[trishauptown]

Why would I hate women? This business is full of mysogenists, but I am not one of them. I dislike "professionals" who don't treat women as such. I dislike women who show us their tits for attention when I am more interested in their acumen or witty prose. Show your tits to the surfer to convert them. If any of these "professionals" wanna see your tits, they should drop by your place of business and join. Anyone trying to get free pics is just another unconverted surfer. You showing them is just unprofessional, imho. But most around here would disagree. If I need to see another freeking booty shaking video, I can find one on some freeking mgp somewhere. I don't need to see it on a business board.

I dont know why you come off as hating women.......ask yourself that.

Again, I love this industry in part because I dont have to deal with up tight people trying to be all professional all the time.......I like it when people are just real and themselves.

That booty shaking clip was taken at an industry event thank you!!! I trust me my ass converts!!!

[trishauptown]

"and if you didnt want to look from time to time you wouldnt be in the business either."
I "look" most of my business day. I don't look at those who I do business with unless they are talent that I hire.

Then dont come in my threads.......or do business with me ;-)

[trishauptown]

You should try going out sometime, rhetorical.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/theasss.5.gif (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/theasss/~6/5)

Hey I got a nice ass.......wanna do biz together?........wow see how that works......

[softball]

Then dont come in my threads.......or do business with me ;-)

Not to worry about the latter. I can't sell vanilla mainstream.

[softball]

trust me my ass converts!!!
Any ass converts. That is a given.

[trishauptown]

"I would rather the girls take a more hands on approach to show that we do have personalities and are real people."
My point exactly.

well, this is me.........here i am........i have a nice ass, i am going to showit , i am going to promote it, and i might even be a smart ass from time to time.....but if you cant accept me at my worst you sure dont deserve me at my best.

[softball]

well, this is me.........here i am........i have a nice ass, i am going to show, i am going to promote it, and i might even be a smart ass from time to time.....but if you cant accept me at my worst you sure dont deserve me at my best.

I actually have no interest in you at your best or your worst. But I am glad to see you have stopped posting booty shaking ass pictures. Wait for the protestations and requests for more titty piccies.

[miz_wright]

It is a tough environment!! i totally agree!!

I dont know why people complain about chicks promoting themselves......what are they suppose to do? Make money for someone else and not themselves. I dont want to promote someone else companies......I have plenty of times......but if you had your own company why would u push another product. I would rather the girls take a more hands on approach to show that we do have personalities and are real people.

I don't think it's the self-promotion itself that's the problem so much. It's the nature of the self-promotion and then abandoning the boards once some amophous goal has been acheived - it's kinda cheap and manipulative. I think that's the main complaint here.

[Toby]

I actually have no interest in you at your best or your worst. Damn, sure as fuck had me (and probably more than a few others) fooled. :huh:

[trishauptown]

I don't think it's the self-promotion itself that's the problem so much. It's the nature of the self-promotion and then abandoning the boards once some amophous goal has been acheived - it's kinda cheap and manipulative. I think that's the main complaint here.

I agree on the point.....many of the girls are about the "right now" Most dont know that these girls are getting pulled in 500 different directions. And sometimes their webmaster tells them to jump on here and post....but they really dont know what they are doing or have the time to stay on a regular basis......

[Rcourt64]

I actually have no interest in you at your best or your worst. But I am glad to see you have stopped posting booty shaking ass pictures. Wait for the protestations and requests for more titty piccies.

http://myadg.com/op2007/cha-ching.gif
We have 1 winner $$$ :clapping:
Prediction: "Attempting to show no interest in opposite sex, Hoping to gain credibility again on thread & board"

Good call :okthumb:

[hndsomegardener]

another BITTERNESS posted for the whole world to know.:clapping:

[gonzo]

another BITTERNESS posted for the whole world to know.:clapping:
Why do you and riabanana and tomeatsdiner all share the same IP address?

[sarettah]

Ok, while I would agree that it appears rather unprofessional to ask every female that comes upon the board to show their tits (although it is tradition and to be fair Serge used to regularly ask guys to show their dicks) the fact that sometimes, when the poster is also the product, it offers up a dilemna.

Any good salesperson knows thier product inside and out. In order to be able to sell the product effectively they must be familiar with all of the product's benefits and all of the products shortcomings.

When a person that runs their own site (in this biz usually sologirls but also could be guys) shows up on the board it is perfectly reasonable for those who are considering promoting them to ask to see the goods. It is equally important for that person to display their personality for the board to see because when we are promoting a solo site we are selling not only the looks but also the personality behind the looks.

If a model comes on looking for someone to represent them or shoot them, again, it is perfectly reasonable to expect them to show their stuff. How can you make a determination in any way at all as to whether you might want to rep them or use them as content if you don't know what they have to offer?

If a sponsor or sponsor rep comes on to the board, it is reasonable to expect them to explain and show their product to their potential salesforce, whether that product be paysites, hardgoods, software, whatever.

So, ladies, please keep showing what you have to offer. If you want it sold properly, we, your potential salesforce, must know clearly what the product is, what benefits are associated with the product and what shortfalls that our customers might encounter along the way are.

After all, we wouldn't want to rip off our customers (the surfers), now would we??

[miz_wright]

Ok, while I would agree that it appears rather unprofessional to ask every female that comes upon the board to show their tits (although it is tradition and to be fair Serge used to regularly ask guys to show their dicks) the fact that sometimes, when the poster is also the product, it offers up a dilemna.

Any good salesperson knows thier product inside and out. In order to be able to sell the product effectively they must be familiar with all of the product's benefits and all of the products shortcomings.

When a person that runs their own site (in this biz usually sologirls but also could be guys) shows up on the board it is perfectly reasonable for those who are considering promoting them to ask to see the goods. It is equally important for that person to display their personality for the board to see because when we are promoting a solo site we are selling not only the looks but also the personality behind the looks.

If a model comes on looking for someone to represent them or shoot them, again, it is perfectly reasonable to expect them to show their stuff. How can you make a determination in any way at all as to whether you might want to rep them or use them as content if you don't know what they have to offer?

If a sponsor or sponsor rep comes on to the board, it is reasonable to expect them to explain and show their product to their potential salesforce, whether that product be paysites, hardgoods, software, whatever.

So, ladies, please keep showing what you have to offer. If you want it sold properly, we, your potential salesforce, must know clearly what the product is, what benefits are associated with the product and what shortfalls that our customers might encounter along the way are.

After all, we wouldn't want to rip off our customers (the surfers), now would we??
You make excellent points.

... except you forget one thing: Not all women who post on the boards are talent.

[Rcourt64]

You make excellent points.

... except you forget one thing: Not all women who post on the boards are talent.
Whoa Nelly... Whats that suppost to mean?
Talented you are, just in a different direction ;) and if you where as good as April, You'd be super talented :okthumb:

[miz_wright]

Whoa Nelly... Whats that suppost to mean?
Talented you are, just in a different direction ;) and if you where as good as April, You'd be super talented :okthumb:


Well, punkin, the short version is that all of the points made in the comment I responded to would be directed at a girl running her own site and performing in some way or another - be it model or other. There are those of us who do other things in the industry, enjoy the industry overall, and like what we do... But that doesn't mean that it makes sense for a guy to ask to see my tits before he'll work with me on projects or deals, since it's not relevant to the work at hand (*ahem* as it were...).

Y'know. Like that :nyanya: I have many talents, but that doesn't mean it's appropriate for them to be shared in this forum, dig? :whistling

[Hammer]

For some reason guys on these boards seem to assume that every time a chick comes along she's content.

[miz_wright]

For some reason guys on these boards seem to assume that every time a chick comes along she's content.

Yeh, that's not just on the boards, though. That's industry wide. It's also a common perception of all women in the industry to the outside world. So, yeh, it's a tough space to hang tight in.

[sarettah]

You make excellent points.

... except you forget one thing: Not all women who post on the boards are talent.

Did you skip the first paragraph perhaps, in which I acknowledged that it was not appropriate to ask every woman?

Ok, while I would agree that it appears rather unprofessional to ask every female that comes upon the board to show their tits (although it is tradition and to be fair Serge used to regularly ask guys to show their dicks) the fact that sometimes, when the poster is also the product, it offers up a dilemna.

or the 3rd to last para where I stated what "sponsors" should be showing:

If a sponsor or sponsor rep comes on to the board, it is reasonable to expect them to explain and show their product to their potential salesforce, whether that product be paysites, hardgoods, software, whatever.

Hmmm. :scratchin

[softball]

Damn, sure as fuck had me (and probably more than a few others) fooled. :huh:

Yeah, well Toby, you really don't need to be that gullible. The whole thread was about the guys here, not her. The interest was not trisha, but the way women get treated. I thought you were smarter than that.

[softball]

"If a model comes on looking for someone to represent them or shoot them, again, it is perfectly reasonable to expect them to show their stuff."
Sarettah, Sarettah. Dude, their stuff is on their web page. That is usually posted. What you do, is click on the link, and it will take you to where this woman does "business". Ie: "their stuff". It is where they peddle their wares. Shame on you.

[Hell Puppy]

If you cant have a little fun in this industry at the same time as doing business, there's something seriously wrong with you.

[softball]

If you cant have a little fun in this industry at the same time as doing business, there's something seriously wrong with you.
Fun is fun and business is business. I have been to a ton of optician, real estate, chamber of commerce, and any number of fucking boring conventions and you know what? They do the same shit I see posted on this board. You know like walk down the centre of the street paralytic legless drunk. Walk into bars and ask girls to show them their tits. But that ain't business, it is just fucking embarrassing. When I was 18 and drinking myself stupid and doing all that shit, then life was good. But kids, you get old and the next thing you know, you are buying or selling that shit. And it appears around here, that there is a lot of buying rather than selling going on.

[Toby]

...and it appears around here, that there is a lot of buying rather than selling going on.You should know by now that not everything is as it appears, in fact quite often very little is as it appears.

The conversations taking place in public on the boards often bear little resemblence to the ones in private, where the business actually gets done.

I know you're well aware of all this and are just making it an issue to get a stir out of someone. Ya got me, but I had a few minutes to kill and thought get out the ol' ten foot pole and take a few pokes.

[softball]

You should know by now that not everything is as it appears, in fact quite often very little is as it appears.

The conversations taking place in public on the boards often bear little resemblence to the ones in private, where the business actually gets done.

I know you're well aware of all this and are just making it an issue to get a stir out of someone. Ya got me, but I had a few minutes to kill and thought get out the ol' ten foot pole and take a few pokes.
I did not know that, Toby. Seriously. Shit, all these years and I have been missing out on the good stuff. Wanna pm me about business sometime?

[Jace]

You should know by now that not everything is as it appears, in fact quite often very little is as it appears.

The conversations taking place in public on the boards often bear little resemblence to the ones in private, where the business actually gets done.


everything is RARELY as it seems

[Toby]

everything is RARELY as it seemsYeah, I know. But I hate to speak in absolutes. It has a habit of coming back and biting me on the ass. :hmm:

[softball]

everything is RARELY as it seems
Yeah, kind of like that asshole rhetor...retro...rreet....aw fuck it.

[Rcourt64]

Yeah, kind of like that asshole rhetor...retro...rreet....aw fuck it.
Say it bitch:mellow:
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[miz_wright]

Did you skip the first paragraph perhaps, in which I acknowledged that it was not appropriate to ask every woman?


or the 3rd to last para where I stated what "sponsors" should be showing:



Hmmm. :scratchin

No, I caught all of that, but it also bears mentioning that, on occassion, a woman comes into the boards to learn something from the people who've been around longer and have a solid knowledge base.

Now, no one's asked me to show my tits here, but I've also not come on the board trying to buy or sell anything at all. I'm here to learn, and I thought it was an interesting discussion - if someone wants to know about what I do, they can click the link in my sig line, or send me a PM.

I was merely stating that it can be a tough business to stay in and board can be a tough place to hang if you're a woman. But as I also pointed out to Trisha - it seems to me that it's not the self-promotion that bugs people as much (since we're all in sales in some way or another), it's the buggering off when a goal has been reached.

[gonzo]

But as I also pointed out to Trisha - it seems to me that it's not the self-promotion that bugs people as much (since we're all in sales in some way or another), it's the buggering off when a goal has been reached.

I like to think that this board is about forming long term relationships both business and professional. At least its how I try to conduct my own business.

As you saw in Miami...I dont do to bad with it.

[miz_wright]

I like to think that this board is about forming long term relationships both business and professional. At least its how I try to conduct my own business.

As you saw in Miami...I dont do to bad with it.


Zackly - I like to KNOW the people I work with. T'nA don't get me there.

[trishauptown]

If you cant have a little fun in this industry at the same time as doing business, there's something seriously wrong with you.


Amen!!! And it is the "sex"industry.......so there will be sexual undertones.

[AprilK-AEBN]

2 Points of clarification...
1. I dont lick assholes
2. I dont have an overcoat.

Yall should spend some time with Trisha away from the show frivolity. Youll find shes quite a businesswoman in her own right.

What you call ego... I would call marketing. Afterall she relaunched her own site and was trying to get some webmaster promo going. Everyone got to see what they would be promoting.

Smart bidness.

YES, I totally agree with you there. I have had the pleasure to hang out with Trisha Uptown several times. She is a very sweet person and has a good head on her shoulders. She has goals in her life and yes you should check out her site, its very nice.

[AprilK-AEBN]

Aprils boyfriend will be standing guard to make sure I never get in Charlotte again at this rate.

Its alright, I will come visit you ;)

[Rcourt64]

Its alright, I will come visit you ;)
Umm, if I offer to pay for the implants? will u visit me first??? :huh:

[AprilK-AEBN]

Umm, if I offer to pay for the implants? will u visit me first??? :huh:

;) I just read the post...but its not all what someone buys me, its their friendship that is more important:hello:

[EmporerEJ]

Zackly - I like to KNOW the people I work with. T'nA don't get me there.

I have a question:

I should like to know why/how you got into the adult business?
Like most men, I think I'm surprised that a woman not being "talent," would be interested in the adult business.
Now, I realize this may be interpreted as a caveman mentality, but in all the "cave men" defense, we are raised to believe that sex is an icky thing that men want and women "do their duty."

(Well, over here in Amish country, anyhow...)

So I'm always surprised (and quite frankly elated,) when I see a female that is "in the business" without the sexual component.

[Rcourt64]

;) I just read the post...but its not all what someone buys me, its their friendship that is more important:hello:
Friends? oh my... :blink: no, no, no. No friends in this business. just independent contracting. :okthumb: Besides, pretty charming girl like yourself should have mucho mucho amigos & amigas, will they buy any?

[Rcourt64]

I have a question:

I should like to know why/how you got into the adult business?
Like most men, I think I'm surprised that a woman not being "talent," would be interested in the adult business.
Now, I realize this may be interpreted as a caveman mentality, but in all the "cave men" defense, we are raised to believe that sex is an icky thing that men want and women "do their duty."

(Well, over here in Amish country, anyhow...)

So I'm always surprised (and quite frankly elated,) when I see a female that is "in the business" without the sexual component.


Basically what your saying is that you get a hard-on when u see a woman in adult industry without actually being sexual???

Hmm??? :scratchin Do you jack-off when watching Dr. Ruth? :whistling

[EmporerEJ]

Basically what your saying is that you get a hard-on when u see a woman in adult industry without actually being sexual???

Hmm??? :scratchin Do you jack-off when watching Dr. Ruth? :whistling

Hmmm....
Well, I don't think I said that. You must have one of those caveman dictionaries that translate every word to a sexual connotation.

I do however, find them very interesting.

[miz_wright]

Hmmm....
Well, I don't think I said that. You must have one of those caveman dictionaries that translate every word to a sexual connotation.

I do however, find them very interesting.

Sorry I missed your question before now, EJ.

How'd I end up in adult and not be talent? Luck and a lack of exhibitionism. :P

I'm a pretty open-minded person and grew up in a household where sexuality was as much a part of life as dinner and bathing, so I thought it would be a nice way to embrace a sex-positive outlook without being a sex-worker myself. I'd been in finance for years, primarily functioning in an operational capacity (platform trading, portfolio rebalancing, and the like), and I was looking for a change of pace and industry when I found out AEBN was hiring. Pretty boring story, really, I know.

But there it is.

[softball]

Sorry I missed your question before now, EJ.

How'd I end up in adult and not be talent? Luck and a lack of exhibitionism. :P

I'm a pretty open-minded person and grew up in a household where sexuality was as much a part of life as dinner and bathing, so I thought it would be a nice way to embrace a sex-positive outlook without being a sex-worker myself. I'd been in finance for years, primarily functioning in an operational capacity (platform trading, portfolio rebalancing, and the like), and I was looking for a change of pace and industry when I found out AEBN was hiring. Pretty boring story, really, I know.

But there it is.

I believe you are not a person of the American persuasion. Would I be right? Never having met you and all.

[EmporerEJ]

:1buttkickI believe you are not a person of the American persuasion. Would I be right? Never having met you and all.

That's Ok if she isn't, being a full American, I bestow honorary American Staus on her because she embraces the ideals of America.

Now, you on the other hand.......

:1buttkick

[EmporerEJ]

Sorry I missed your question before now, EJ.

How'd I end up in adult and not be talent? Luck and a lack of exhibitionism. :P

I'm a pretty open-minded person and grew up in a household where sexuality was as much a part of life as dinner and bathing, so I thought it would be a nice way to embrace a sex-positive outlook without being a sex-worker myself. I'd been in finance for years, primarily functioning in an operational capacity (platform trading, portfolio rebalancing, and the like), and I was looking for a change of pace and industry when I found out AEBN was hiring. Pretty boring story, really, I know.

But there it is.

Well then, there it is.
I think you can change your profile pic back now. You've humored the children long enough.

[softball]

:1buttkick

That's Ok if she isn't, being a full American, I bestow honorary American Staus on her because she embraces the ideals of America.

Now, you on the other hand.......

:1buttkick
Unfortunately the ideals of America are not necessarily something to aspire to. You are a pretty good example. Someone crowing about america but trolling the boards looking for an offshore haven to make your jerk off machine. But you go ahead and bestow to your hearts content.

[miz_wright]

I believe you are not a person of the American persuasion. Would I be right? Never having met you and all.

Actually, I am, born and raised - something ridiculous like seventh-generation. I'm curious what would prompt the question, though :)

[softball]

Actually, I am, born and raised - something ridiculous like seventh-generation. I'm curious what would prompt the question, though :)
spelling.....like theatre instead of theater.

[gonzo]

I will feel remiss if I dont do this...

RCourt- Im not sure what all the shit against Liz and April is about. Not sure I care either. However I will say that both of these women have behaved totally professional at the trade shows Ive been with them at.

How many reps ...female or male do you see with an itenerary and a list of people to contact while they are at the show?

Ive seen them CALL affiliates that they couldnt find at the shows just to meet them face to face. While most of the others are at the bar sucking up drinks, buried in a room snorting down powder or just bouncing around shaking their ass work a trade - ass for traffic.

Ill put ANY of our girls up against any other female rep in this business. My guess is 9 out of 10 times youll find that they do more business at a show than most of these do in a year.

When Im working with a rep I dont care about avatar pics or anything other than how I can work that program to make more money.

I know each of them "get" VOD when other so called industry pioneers speculate that the staff is bloated and the company isnt making any money.

NO OTHER AFFILIATE PROGRAM gives you the promotional tools and marketing that AEBN does. These girls have an slew of tools at their disposal and are innovative on how to make them work for an affiliate.

What they dont know - they have support staff backing them up at every corner. So when your knocking em around maybe you should be thinking of how to work with them instead.

How many companies do you know that consistantly keeps 5 sites in the top 200 or less of alexa rankings?

These girls are availible on ICQ,email and at a 1-800 number 5 days a week.
Again what other company comes CLOSE to this level of support?

ZERO.

Ill put either of them up against any rep in this business at anytime.
Chose your chump and we can have a wager if youd like.

[miz_wright]

spelling.....like theatre instead of theater.

*laugh* Oh, right. I tend towards British/ QE spelling most times - more "s" than "z" and so on - because I read a lot more Brit lit than American growing up, so a lot of Americanising of written language looks wrong to my eye. Plus, a lot of my friends online are Canadian and UK denizens, so that probably reinforces it for me.

[AprilK-AEBN]

I will feel remiss if I dont do this...

RCourt- Im not sure what all the shit against Liz and April is about. Not sure I care either. However I will say that both of these women have behaved totally professional at the trade shows Ive been with them at.

How many reps ...female or male do you see with an itenerary and a list of people to contact while they are at the show?

Ive seen them CALL affiliates that they couldnt find at the shows just to meet them face to face. While most of the others are at the bar sucking up drinks, buried in a room snorting down powder or just bouncing around shaking their ass work a trade - ass for traffic.

Ill put ANY of our girls up against any other female rep in this business. My guess is 9 out of 10 times youll find that they do more business at a show than most of these do in a year.

When Im working with a rep I dont care about avatar pics or anything other than how I can work that program to make more money.

I know each of them "get" VOD when other so called industry pioneers speculate that the staff is bloated and the company isnt making any money.

NO OTHER AFFILIATE PROGRAM gives you the promotional tools and marketing that AEBN does. These girls have an slew of tools at their disposal and are innovative on how to make them work for an affiliate.

What they dont know - they have support staff backing them up at every corner. So when your knocking em around maybe you should be thinking of how to work with them instead.

How many companies do you know that consistantly keeps 5 sites in the top 200 or less of alexa rankings?

These girls are availible on ICQ,email and at a 1-800 number 5 days a week.
Again what other company comes CLOSE to this level of support?

ZERO.

Ill put either of them up against any rep in this business at anytime.
Chose your chump and we can have a wager if youd like.

Thank you Gonzo!!! :clapping: Your the man!!

[TheEnforcer]

Gee, Hammer... You gotta watch sayin' stuff like that or people might start thinkin' you're a nice guy.

That said, I think you're on to something. I mean, I accept that there's always going to be a certain level of "hey baby, every had your asshole licked by a fat man in an overcoat?" going on - it is a strongly guy-weighted industry, after all. But on the other hand... It gets pretty tiring to try to talk to someone about numbers and business and get "Yeh, sure... Wanna do a shoot? I've got a camera..."

She likes Kevin Smith movies.. marry me???

[miz_wright]

I will feel remiss if I dont do this...

RCourt- Im not sure what all the shit against Liz and April is about. Not sure I care either. However I will say that both of these women have behaved totally professional at the trade shows Ive been with them at.

How many reps ...female or male do you see with an itenerary and a list of people to contact while they are at the show?

Ive seen them CALL affiliates that they couldnt find at the shows just to meet them face to face. While most of the others are at the bar sucking up drinks, buried in a room snorting down powder or just bouncing around shaking their ass work a trade - ass for traffic.

Ill put ANY of our girls up against any other female rep in this business. My guess is 9 out of 10 times youll find that they do more business at a show than most of these do in a year.

ZERO.

Ill put either of them up against any rep in this business at anytime.
Chose your chump and we can have a wager if youd like.

Thank you, Gonzo. it's really good to have recognition for busting one's hump and working hard. >:D<


Also: Enforcer: You win the chocolates for getting the reference - I don't think anyone else picked up on what the hell I was talking about there. *grins happily* ... but now I have to watch Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back when I get home tonight... ;)

[AprilK-AEBN]

She likes Kevin Smith movies.. marry me???

Who doesnt like Kevin Smith movies? :hmm:

I love Clerks and Clerks 2, they are my favs!

:thumbup:

[TheEnforcer]

Who doesnt like Kevin Smith movies? :hmm:

I love Clerks and Clerks 2, they are my favs!

:thumbup:

Will you marry me too? :blush:

[AprilK-AEBN]

Will you marry me too? :blush:

Sure, you Liz and I can be one happy family:dance:

But I must tell you, I dont like to cook very much, however I dont mind cleaning. I like to go shopping, I like to travel, go dancing, sing karoake, etc etc.

[TheEnforcer]

Works for me!! :okthumb:

[EmporerEJ]

Unfortunately the ideals of America are not necessarily something to aspire to. You are a pretty good example. Someone crowing about america but trolling the boards looking for an offshore haven to make your jerk off machine. But you go ahead and bestow to your hearts content.

Now you are clearly an idiot.
Anyone that knows me, or has ever read anything I've ever wrote would be unable to make that statement. We are one of the ONLY adult companies that manufacture a product that clearly states, on the package, on the product, on the literature;

"Proudly manufactured in the United States of America."
And it always will.

I could very easily have the product made in China for about 1/10th the price it's made here. But I won't.
See, unlike you, I have the "working kind" of patriotism. I put my money where my mouth is. I build here, employing American workers, and export an American product to the world.
I realize this is something you just couldn't possibly ever grasp, so don't try stretching your feeble mind.

[EmporerEJ]

*laugh* Oh, right. I tend towards British/ QE spelling most times - more "s" than "z" and so on - because I read a lot more Brit lit than American growing up, so a lot of Americanising of written language looks wrong to my eye.


Exactly what I was thinking. reinforces my opinion that you are more intelligent than most.

[softball]

Exactly what I was thinking. reinforces my opinion that you are more intelligent than most.
I guess that you must include me in that category as well, Emp. Since I grew up with an Oxford by my side and spell colour with a u. I have a mum not a mom. Oh yeah, and I pronounce Z, Zed, I do the wash, not the warsh and I even spell aluminium like it should be spelled. If you don't like it, I could kick you to the kerb or send you to spelling gaol.

[softball]

Now you are clearly an idiot.
Anyone that knows me, or has ever read anything I've ever wrote would be unable to make that statement. We are one of the ONLY adult companies that manufacture a product that clearly states, on the package, on the product, on the literature;

"Proudly manufactured in the United States of America."
And it always will.

I could very easily have the product made in China for about 1/10th the price it's made here. But I won't.
See, unlike you, I have the "working kind" of patriotism. I put my money where my mouth is. I build here, employing American workers, and export an American product to the world.
I realize this is something you just couldn't possibly ever grasp, so don't try stretching your feeble mind.

You are a moron aren't you. Personally I actually do business offshore for other reasons. Do you have a problem with that? Think carefully now.

[EmporerEJ]

I guess that you must include me in that category as well, Emp. Since I grew up with an Oxford by my side and spell colour with a u. I have a mum not a mom. Oh yeah, and I pronounce Z, Zed, I do the wash, not the warsh and I even spell aluminium like it should be spelled. If you don't like it, I could kick you to the kerb or send you to spelling gaol.

It's funny, you know? People that have no class, never actually understand it when they don't.

So, ah, no.

[EmporerEJ]

You are a moron aren't you. Personally I actually do business offshore for other reasons. Do you have a problem with that? Think carefully now.

I couldn't care less who, or what, YOU do business with, or why.
You brought the issue up and accused me of "off-shoring" our product, which is patently false.
I'm proud to be an American, and take an even greater pride that my product is made here, and bears the statement to that effect. And, as long as I'm running the company, always will.

[softball]

It's funny, you know? People that have no class, never actually understand it when they don't.

So, ah, no.
Bingo. You nailed it. Now emp.....look in the mirror and repeat this post out loud.

[softball]

accused me of "off-shoring" our product, which is patently false.

Well we finally agree. That is patently false. I did not accuse you of offshoring. Please read the post before you reply. Sometimes I think you just fire from the hip hoping to hit that big barn door, Emp.:whistling

[EmporerEJ]

Well we finally agree. That is patently false. I did not accuse you of offshoring. Please read the post before you reply. Sometimes I think you just fire from the hip hoping to hit that big barn door, Emp.:whistling

As usual, when proven wrong, you wander off into your own reality.

Your post said:

"Someone crowing about america but trolling the boards looking for an offshore haven to make your jerk off machine."

I can't read any other explanation from that.
So, you are simply wrong, and too asinine to admit it.

[Rcourt64]

You are a moron aren't you. Personally I actually do business offshore for other reasons. Do you have a problem with that? Think carefully now.

And rhetorical rannnnn, ...rhetorical ran so far awayyyy..... takin his business to cheaper overseas wayyyys...
fx7GqfQCZeg
rhetorical rannnn, he ran his businesses, and girls overseas all night and dayyyyy... :whistling

[pam]

I didn't read the entire thread but I'm a girl -- does that count?

[softball]

As usual, when proven wrong, you wander off into your own reality.

Your post said:

"Someone crowing about america but trolling the boards looking for an offshore haven to make your jerk off machine."

I can't read any other explanation from that.
So, you are simply wrong, and too asinine to admit it.

Again, I ask you to read before you froth at the mouth. English, I assume, is your first language. Just because you haven't done it yet, does not mean you did not inquire.

[EmporerEJ]

Again, I ask you to read before you froth at the mouth. English, I assume, is your first language. Just because you haven't done it yet, does not mean you did not inquire.

Yea, see, you either are too stupid to get it, or just refusing to "get it."

Not gonna do it. Not now. Not ever.

Do not open the door, I will not go offshore.
I won't do it for a dime. I won't do it anytime.
I will not go offshore, you bore.
You are a liar, fore I shall not inquire.

[softball]

Yea, see, you either are too stupid to get it, or just refusing to "get it."

Not gonna do it. Not now. Not ever.

Do not open the door, I will not go offshore.
I won't do it for a dime. I won't do it anytime.
I will not go offshore, you bore.
You are a liar, fore I shall not inquire.
:clapping:

Nice try.....

[trishauptown]

Very Interesting ?........I like that one ;-) U should start a thread like that.

I have a question:

I should like to know why/how you got into the adult business?
Like most men, I think I'm surprised that a woman not being "talent," would be interested in the adult business.
Now, I realize this may be interpreted as a caveman mentality, but in all the "cave men" defense, we are raised to believe that sex is an icky thing that men want and women "do their duty."

(Well, over here in Amish country, anyhow...)

So I'm always surprised (and quite frankly elated,) when I see a female that is "in the business" without the sexual component.