Newbie......

[softball]

What is a newbie? It seems everyone here seems to have their own idea. We are all newbies at something. Even within this business. Is newbie a pejorative?

[ScreaM]

What is a newbie? It seems everyone here seems to have their own idea. We are all newbies at something. Even within this business. Is newbie a pejorative?

A newbie is someone who started off after you did.

[gonzo]

What is a newbie? It seems everyone here seems to have their own idea. We are all newbies at something. Even within this business. Is newbie a pejorative?
Forest told me once I was a newbie.

[Forest]

Forest told me once I was a newbie.

fuck you u fucking fuck

you never forget anything do u?

bbbbababahahahahahahah

that was some funny shit

[Hell Puppy]

What is a newbie? It seems everyone here seems to have their own idea. We are all newbies at something. Even within this business. Is newbie a pejorative?

If you've never received at least a 4 figure check in this business, you're a newb.....

I used to say that about 5 figure checks, but if i did that now, i'd likely eliminate 90% of those coming onboard in last 3-4 years.

By this time next year, I might say "3 figure"...heh.

[Hammer]

If you've never received at least a 4 figure check in this business, you're a newb.....

I used to say that about 5 figure checks, but if i did that now, i'd likely eliminate 90% of those coming onboard in last 3-4 years.

By this time next year, I might say "3 figure"...heh.
But 90% of the guys on GFY are getting 6 figure checks. :whistling

[sarettah]

But 90% of the guys on GFY are getting 6 figure checks. :whistling

Um, you only get to count the numbers to the left of the decimal point :blink:

[Hammer]

Um, you only get to count the numbers to the left of the decimal point :blink:
Oh, so a check for $100.50 doesn't count as a five figure check? That explains a lot.

[sarettah]

Oh, so a check for $100.50 doesn't count as a five figure check? That explains a lot.



lololol...It probably does on some boards and definitely in some countries :yowsa:

[helix]

Um, you only get to count the numbers to the left of the decimal point :blink:

there's always a catch dammit..

[Rcourt64]

I've made about 144 bucks in the adult "web master" industry within the past 3 years, so am I considered a newbie?
I don't think $$$ should be used as a main determining factor here guys :(

[Toby]

I don't think $$$ should be used as a main determining factor here guys :(Do you have a better suggestion?

[sarettah]

I've made about 144 bucks in the adult "web master" industry within the past 3 years, so am I considered a newbie?
I don't think $$$ should be used as a main determining factor here guys :(

Yeah, but you have other stuff going that you don't consider to be "webmastering" that should be brought into the equation :hmm:

[gonzo]

Yeah, but you have other stuff going that you don't consider to be "webmastering" that should be brought into the equation :hmm:
At least hes honest about what hes making from offline.

My guess is hes doing as well as 90% of the Zoo.

This is a long time game now my friends. And you have to work on it hard every day.

[ScreaM]

Um, you only get to count the numbers to the left of the decimal point :blink:

haha that's funny. :)

[Rcourt64]

Do you have a better suggestion?

Your misunderstanding me Toby,
$$$ is important. I just didn't want this thread to end up following the $$$ trail as the final factor of what qualifies a newbie. thats all man. :)
I just know how you people are, and when $$$ becomes part of the conversation/equation, then you all will just run and stick to that as a major importance of determining what a newbie is. And I just want other things said and considered.

Yeah, but you have other stuff going that you don't consider to be "webmastering" that should be brought into the equation :hmm:
You don't know what the crap your talking about old man. Equate this: :mental:

At least hes honest about what hes making from offline.

huh? from offline? :huh:

[softball]

At the end of the day, it is all about money. That is why we are here. If you have been trying to make a living for two years and can't make bank, you are a newbie. Period. JMHO
If, on the other hand, you launch a product that makes you rich in six months, you sure as shit ain't no newbie. Length of service has nothing to do with it. Success does.
Money talks and bullshit strolls around the corner whistling Dixie.

[sarettah]

At the end of the day, it is all about money. That is why we are here. If you have been trying to make a living for two years and can't make bank, you are a newbie. Period. JMHO
If, on the other hand, you launch a product that makes you rich in six months, you sure as shit ain't no newbie. Length of service has nothing to do with it. Success does.
Money talks and bullshit strolls around the corner whistling Dixie.



I would equate that more with success rather than newbieism.

If you have been doing this (or trying to do this shit) for 5 or 6 years and are not making it you are not a newbie. You are not successful but you are not a newbie. Some might consider you to be a failure perhaps but not a newbie.

[softball]

The most successful newbie in history has got to be JK Rowley. Not one bling loudmouthed motherfucker that has ever posted on any adult board or run any adult business could touch dat. I still say its the money. Six years of failure, is still newbi-ism IMHO

[Rcourt64]

What is a newbie? It seems everyone here seems to have their own idea. We are all newbies at something. Even within this business. Is newbie a pejorative?

Just for sarettah sake here, rhetorical. I'd like you to clarify something in your newbie question. When you ask about newbies? are these newbies in the web master adult side of the industry that you want to clarify about? or newbies just in general relating toward any adult industry aspect of promotion?
I mean example like maybe Joe Shmoe builds & sells sex toys thru the internet,
he makes mucho, mucho $$$ at it, But for the life of him, he can't make the background of his web page #000000. So? is he still a newbie, or what?

And Spaz...If you try to stick the word "diversify" in here, I'll bitch slap you silly dude :hmm:

[Hammer]

I'm not sure how you can keep money out of the equation. If someone has been an adult webmaster for 10 years but has never figured it out and has only made a few thousand bucks over that time, they're still a newbie, plain and simple. They're not new to the business but they still don't know what they need to know to be successful.

That would be like saying that I'm a "chef" just because I can cook a little. If I opened a restaurant it would be a dismal failure, but if I was able to keep it running for 10 years even though it never made a profit, would I be a "chef" or just some idiot that can cook a little?

[softball]

I'm not sure how you can keep money out of the equation. If someone has been an adult webmaster for 10 years but has never figured it out and has only made a few thousand bucks over that time, they're still a newbie, plain and simple. They're not new to the business but they still don't know what they need to know to be successful.

That would be like saying that I'm a "chef" just because I can cook a little. If I opened a restaurant it would be a dismal failure, but if I was able to keep it running for 10 years even though it never made a profit, would I be a "chef" or just some idiot that can cook a little?
What he said. I guess what I was on about is the fact that so many people who are doomed to be dismal failures but pontificate like playas, have gotta be newbies IMHO.
So, you give a new "newbie" a leg up and it pays off in spades if he/she succeeds, but listening to the advice of an "experienced" newbie is folly. I see so many bounce around before they crash and burn. Some flame out like the Challenger (don't mention the s word) but they were always newbies with nothing to add but added it with great confidence and panache. I think you need to sort out the shit from the Shinola when you listen to opinions. Especially on a business board.

[Rcourt64]

What he said. I guess what I was on about is the fact that so many people who are doomed to be dismal failures but pontificate like playas, have gotta be newbies IMHO.
So, you give a new "newbie" a leg up and it pays off in spades if he/she succeeds, but listening to the advice of an "experienced" newbie is folly. I see so many bounce around before they crash and burn. Some flame out like the Challenger (don't mention the s word) but they were always newbies with nothing to add but added it with great confidence and panache. I think you need to sort out the shit from the Shinola when you listen to opinions. Especially on a business board.

hey-hey, my-my...it's better to burn out.., than to fade away..

[softball]

hey-hey, my-my...it's better to burn out.., than to fade away..
I would rather fade to black than crash and burn. The first is a decision you make. The second is made for you. I prefer to control my destiny.

[Jace]

I'm not sure how you can keep money out of the equation. If someone has been an adult webmaster for 10 years but has never figured it out and has only made a few thousand bucks over that time, they're still a newbie, plain and simple. They're not new to the business but they still don't know what they need to know to be successful.

That would be like saying that I'm a "chef" just because I can cook a little. If I opened a restaurant it would be a dismal failure, but if I was able to keep it running for 10 years even though it never made a profit, would I be a "chef" or just some idiot that can cook a little?

great points, and I totally agree

up until about 2 years ago I was a poor, broke webmaster, but I had been doing this for 2 years already....after 2 years I considered myself a newbie...and shit, I still consider myself a newbie in a lot of areas of adult, but overall I have surpassed newbiedom and then some these days...it just took me a while to find my place, but I am very glad I did, I work with some of the best people in online adult and I am a part of some of the most innovative products that have launched recently

[gonzo]

great points, and I totally agree

up until about 2 years ago I was a poor, broke webmaster, but I had been doing this for 2 years already....after 2 years I considered myself a newbie...and shit, I still consider myself a newbie in a lot of areas of adult, but overall I have surpassed newbiedom and then some these days...it just took me a while to find my place, but I am very glad I did, I work with some of the best people in online adult and I am a part of some of the most innovative products that have launched recently
Damn are you working with me too?

[Rcourt64]

I would rather fade to black than crash and burn. The first is a decision you make. The second is made for you. I prefer to control my destiny.

Let me state to the immigrate blunt burning yuppie...

...There is no freaking burn out or any fade away, and for that matter there is no fucking newbie either. its funny when one can slap 1/2 a mill $$$ in someones face, and they're no longer a fucking "newbie". But if he joins a board with his pathetic little porn web links sites and pretty html pictures with flash banners they're just a wasted newbie to run off.

if thats all this thread boils down do, with the final answer AGAIN being $$$. Then why the fuck ask in the first place?

:whistling:whistling:whistling:whistling:whistling :whistling:whistling
http://www.completegamester.com/pages/AR-Signs/automobile/DIXIE.jpg

[softball]

"immigrate blunt burning yuppie..."

Now, I know you wrestle with the English language. I believe you refer to the sixth grade as your senior year, but dude....wtf is that? Here is where your lack of education embarrasses you. Did you mean a: immigrant or b:ingrate. Depending on what you answer, the entire meaning of your post changes. Isn't basic education free in the United States? I am beginning to think that it got canned by some Republican government twenty years ago. But hey, we have Julius, so what can I say? Come back, big boy.

[Rcourt64]

"immigrate blunt burning yuppie..."

Now, I know you wrestle with the English language. I believe you refer to the sixth grade as your senior year, but dude....wtf is that? Here is where your lack of education embarrasses you. Did you mean a: immigrant or b:ingrate. Depending on what you answer, the entire meaning of your post changes. Isn't basic education free in the United States? I am beginning to think that it got canned by some Republican government twenty years ago. But hey, we have Julius, so what can I say? Come back, big boy.

your both A and B So what difference does it make? none I see

[softball]

your both A and B So what difference does it make? none I see
I don't know why I bother. You can't spell. You can't write. I seriously hope you don't breed.

[Rcourt64]

I don't know why I bother. You can't spell. You can't write. I seriously hope you don't breed.
wait now, you almost forgot, I can't find my dick either, remember.
dont wanna leave out any important facts here.

[softball]

wait now, you almost forgot, I can't find my dick either, remember.
dont wanna leave out any important facts here.
I believe you said that.

[Rcourt64]

I believe you said that.
oh so it wasn't you then? So how did you know???

[softball]

oh so it wasn't you then? So how did you know???

and the coloured girls go....well you know the rest.

[Rcourt64]

and the coloured girls go....well you know the rest.
need a stop to that crap ass song
WZ88oTITMoM

[softball]

I don't think it is worth my time, so I won't waste it buffering whatever that was.

[Rcourt64]

I don't think it is worth my time, so I won't waste it buffering whatever that was.

here go buff these

[Hell Puppy]

I'm the one who started the money as a measure of a newbie thing. I originally typed it being a bit of a smartass and just not wanting to do something traditional like trying to put a time frame around newbie-ism.

But as I thought about it, it actually made a lot of sense to me seriously. Yes, it would also be a measure of success, but in this business money does also equate to both knowledge and experience. And beyond that aptitude for innovation, work ethic and any other nmber of factors.

We're all in this business because of the money. There is no honor in being in porn, this isn't a job you do out of passion or desire for public service or any other higher calling. Kids (well other than GonZo's if he had any) dont grow up going "I WANNA BE A PORN LORD!".

The majority of people are largely drawn here for one of two reasons:

1) Business people and entrenpeneurs are drawn to it as a source of easy money, at least compared to many other options. For each person it comes down to risk versus rewards and they'll come and go based on their own tolerances.

2) People who for whatever reason do not fit in with the normal work force. There are lots of these with lots of different stories. Some are "artistic" and just dont like the constraints of 9-5. Some just flat out do not have the discipline to go to a normal job every day. Many others may have various demons in their past that make them virtually unemployable. And then there are those who are have a similar psychology to the average criminal or con man. They consider people who work hard to be chumps....they come in attracted to the quick buck and will scam in this industry. It's a gold mine for these types.

Now before everyone flames me, there are certainly exceptions to this. Like any other industry some people just land here by circumstance. They are open minded enough to not be hung up on the stigma of "porn", and a job opportunity or other scenario came along that sucked them in and they've been here every day since doing a job just like they would if they were going to work at some traditional brick and mortar job. But I daresay most of these didn't PLAN to be here.

[softball]

here go buff these
You are a kid. You obviously have no business acumen, ergo you are a newbie.
You have just answered my question.

[softball]

I'm the one who started the money as a measure of a newbie thing. I originally typed it being a bit of a smartass and just not wanting to do something traditional like trying to put a time frame around newbie-ism.

But as I thought about it, it actually made a lot of sense to me seriously. Yes, it would also be a measure of success, but in this business money does also equate to both knowledge and experience. And beyond that aptitude for innovation, work ethic and any other nmber of factors.

We're all in this business because of the money. There is no honor in being in porn, this isn't a job you do out of passion or desire for public service or any other higher calling. Kids (well other than GonZo's if he had any) dont grow up going "I WANNA BE A PORN LORD!".

The majority of people are largely drawn here for one of two reasons:

1) Business people and entrenpeneurs are drawn to it as a source of easy money, at least compared to many other options. For each person it comes down to risk versus rewards and they'll come and go based on their own tolerances.

2) People who for whatever reason do not fit in with the normal work force. There are lots of these with lots of different stories. Some are "artistic" and just dont like the constraints of 9-5. Some just flat out do not have the discipline to go to a normal job every day. Many others may have various demons in their past that make them virtually unemployable. And then there are those who are have a similar psychology to the average criminal or con man. They consider people who work hard to be chumps....they come in attracted to the quick buck and will scam in this industry. It's a gold mine for these types.

Now before everyone flames me, there are certainly exceptions to this. Like any other industry some people just land here by circumstance. They are open minded enough to not be hung up on the stigma of "porn", and a job opportunity or other scenario came along that sucked them in and they've been here every day since doing a job just like they would if they were going to work at some traditional brick and mortar job. But I daresay most of these didn't PLAN to be here.
Great post. I don't fit, but most do. However, I never planned to be here. I had an opportunity to get into this business years ago, but walked away because I still had some mountains to climb. I did everything I wanted to do and way more than I ever dreamed of. This came along at a time when I was thinking of packing it in anyway and the money was so enormous, that I got hooked. The rest is history.

[Rcourt64]

You are a kid. You obviously have no business acumen, ergo you are a newbie.
You have just answered my question.
just ask away immigrant :okthumb:

[softball]

It takes a lot for me to put someone on ignore, but your sheer stupidity has driven me too it. I think it might only be the third time I have ever done this. But you qualified big time. Totally ignorant and really unprofessional posts. I actually don't need this shit in my life. It is a waste of ink. So poof, you be gone.

[Rcourt64]

It takes a lot for me to put someone on ignore, but your sheer stupidity has driven me too it. I think it might only be the third time I have ever done this. But you qualified big time. Totally ignorant and really unprofessional posts. I actually don't need this shit in my life. It is a waste of ink. So poof, you be gone.

:waving:bye-bye now

[Hammer]

Rcourt, no offense, but I don't follow you. You seem to be saying that someone isn't a newbie if they've got time under their belt and money is not a determining factor. That makes no sense, as I've already stated. Five years from now, if you aren't successfully profiting from your adult business ventures but are still posting here on Oprano, I would have to say you were still a newbie.

If you go to the beach and someone teaches you to surf for the first time, you are a newbie and the other surfers will probably make fun of you and laugh at your mistakes, but some of them might take you under their wing and teach you the techinques they know.

Six months from now, if you've surfed every day and applied what the pros had taught you, you might be considered a good surfer. You certainly wouldn't qualify as a great surfer, because greatness could never be achieved in such a short period. At that point you are no longer a newbie, but you're still far from being an expert.

3 years from now, if you've continued to practice and hone your skills and have some natural athletic ability and talent, you may be considered a great surfer and called an expert.

However, if, after 3 years all you can do is sit on the beach and tell newbie surfers how to shoot the curl and cut a wave and sound like an expert, and all those newbies say, "Wow, he really knows his shit," but when you get on the board all you can do is wobble and wave your arms and look like an idiot, you're still a FUCKING NEWBIE!

[softball]

You can't stop the waves, but you can learn to surf.

[sarettah]

However, if, after 3 years all you can do is sit on the beach and tell newbie surfers how to shoot the curl and cut a wave and sound like an expert, and all those newbies say, "Wow, he really knows his shit," but when you get on the board all you can do is wobble and wave your arms and look like an idiot, you're still a FUCKING NEWBIE!


Actually, in the jargon of surfing (going way back) that makes you a HoDad, not a newbie. A HoDad s someone who has been around long enough to know what to do but is still very poor at the execution of it. A Newie would be someone that was new to the sport. A newbie that picks it up pretty quickly is still a newbie.

as in: "Hey, that kid is pretty good for a newbie."

But a newbies still tends to make newbie mistakes, picking the wrong wave sometimes, eating it in a pearl dive, whatever.

In this industry, as in all businesses, there are those that will make it as a business owner, those that will attempt it as a business owner and not make it, those that will always be an employee (and that is not meant as an insult, some people are quite happy not having the responsibility of ownership) and thse that hang around on the fringe.

To make money the qualifier of newbieism is wrong (imho) because of the shit you see every day in this industry. You see brand new newbies that can come in looking like they walk the walk and talk the talk, go to a couple of shows, establish themselves on the boards as a bro and then start ripping people off left and right. Are they making money, hell yes, are they still newbies, hell yes and they are making a big newbie mistake is shitting on the community that welcomed them. Unfortunately in this industry, as in many others (look at hollywood especially) you can do that shit and your only punishment is you have to go buy a fucking camera for someone.

[sarettah]

I lost my train of thought in the middle of that and instead of editing it in I am going to just put it here:

Continuation of this paragraph:
"In this industry, as in all businesses, there are those that will make it as a business owner, those that will attempt it as a business owner and not make it, those that will always be an employee (and that is not meant as an insult, some people are quite happy not having the responsibility of ownership) and thse that hang around on the fringe."

Just because someone is not a successful owner/operator of their own adult online business does not make them a newbie (even though they ain't bringing in the big bucks). There are many employees in this biz who are respected and looked up to, they will probably never be rich, because employees rarely do get rich, although they may make a decent living at it.

There are people that will keep trying and trying and never become succesful owner/operators. That does not mean that they don't know how to build sites or design or write scripts. Usually (imho) the ingredient that is missing there is not knowing how to sell. Sales is a talent, arguably, it is a talent that can be learned but a talent nonetheless. Some people are natural born salesmen, for many it is an uncomfortable position. If you have some capital to work with or if you find the right partner(s) then lack of salesnamship may be overcome. But some never fnd that right combination and so they never hit the success oute. That does not mean they are newbies. They know what to do, they know how to do it, hell, they may even know when to do it (which is often key to make or break of course) but they have never put the pieces all together successfully.

[Rcourt64]

I'm very successful in my field of the Adult Industry, have been for almost 7 or 8 years now. Allot of my success is due to people like yourself Mighty One, With your professional web mastering skills from your end of the industry.
I realize allot of the newbie term here at The big O is more dedicated to traffic, web mastering and porn movie sponsor. At times you'll find a sticky about a new cam promoting tool or a cartoon webmaster drawing site.
I don't have anything to do with these field of the adult world.
So I'll just keep providing the content, and you just keep promoting it.
And we'll leave the sponsor to continue to be the middleman.
And we'll let it go at that. Deal? :)

[Hammer]

OK, then a newbie is someone that is brand new to the industry. The rest are either pros or hodads and the vast majority are the latter.

[softball]

OK, then a newbie is someone that is brand new to the industry. The rest are either pros or hodads and the vast majority are the latter.

Hodad who say hodad when I say hodad?

[sarettah]

OK, then a newbie is someone that is brand new to the industry. The rest are either pros or hodads and the vast majority are the latter.


I would basically agree with that statement. Although, a real hodad isn't even trying to do anything, they are straight out posers, there are other categories involved.

[Hammer]

I would basically agree with that statement. Although, a real hodad isn't even trying to do anything, they are straight out posers, there are other categories involved.
I agree there are varying degrees of hodadiness.

[sarettah]

I agree there are varying degrees of hodadiness.

lolololol.... Thanx for that.

[Rcourt64]

lolololol.... Thanx for that.

I'm not fallin' for this crap :hmm:

[sarettah]

I'm not fallin' for this crap :hmm:

Wha wha what ???

He stated it fairly succinctly I thought. Perhaps not the categories that I envisioned but it works.

[Hammer]

OK, here are my suggestions for levels of hodadiness. Feel free to add your own.

Hoboy - Barely out of newbiness
Hodaddy - Pimp wannabe
Homamma - Female hodad
Hodad - Experienced at the art of hodaddery
Hopop - Grandfathered in Hodad

[Rcourt64]

Hammhoda - a pro at promoting hodaddery

[Hammer]

Hammhoda - a pro at promoting hodaddery
I'm not promoting hodaddery, I'm simply helping Sar come up with his categories.

[Rcourt64]

I'm not promoting hodaddery, I'm simply helping Sar come up with his categories.
who said you was promoting anything? :scratchin

[Hammer]

who said you was promoting anything? :scratchin
ummm... "a pro at promoting hodaddery"

[Rcourt64]

ummm... "a pro at promoting hodaddery"
ok.. now your confusing me :scratchin...
...So know your saying your a Hammhoda? I guess. Cuz I never said that you are.
where'd that come from? :idontknow

[helix]

This whole thread is so silly.

[bluemoney]

This whole thread is so silly.
No it's not!
Is to
Is not
Is to
Is not
Is to

Nah uh
Uh uh
Na uh
Uh uh

[Sexyteaser]

I am new but if I sit through one more useless panel at a show i think I will have earned a star or two.

[helix]

I am new but if I sit through one more useless panel at a show i think I will have earned a star or two.

http://messenger.msn.com/MMM2006-04-19_17.00/Resource/emoticons/star.gifhttp://messenger.msn.com/MMM2006-04-19_17.00/Resource/emoticons/star.gif
Here you go Shelleehale, skip the panels at the
next show and enjoy yourself instead. :)

[Rcourt64]

I am new but if I sit through one more useless panel at a show i think I will have earned a star or two.
why useless? :scratchin

[Hammer]

why useless? :scratchin
Because AVN can't seem to pick decent seminar topics or panelists. If they'd pick them based on their experience and willingness to share the information instead of basing the picks on politics and greased palms, it might help.

[Rcourt64]

I see, well its what we've evolved into, kinda of an old fashion "I'll scratch your, if you scratch mine" system of ordinance. I should probably start attending these things when they're held. Besides, Shelleehale looks pretty cute to spend time with. :)

Thanks for the feed back Mighty Hammhoda :okthumb:

[gonzo]

Because AVN can't seem to pick decent seminar topics or panelists. If they'd pick them based on their experience and willingness to share the information instead of basing the picks on politics and greased palms, it might help.
The one I was on could have been quite useful had there not be a tweaker substituted at th last mnute that wanted to answer every question with his vast experience of 10 months.

I think he was destined to wear the uniform he had on for the panel....
"Welcome to Applebees"

[Hell Puppy]

I am new but if I sit through one more useless panel at a show i think I will have earned a star or two.

Ahhhh yes....panels....

I've been going to shows since 1998. My first one was back when the precursor to Internext was at the Monte Carlo in vegas. I go to a couple a year, the January Vegas show is the only one I usually go to without fail.

During all that time, how many panels have I sat thru? I can count 'em on one hand. Yet, I almost always accomplish my goals for every show.

The problems with panels...

1) Selection of topics.

2) Finding someone who actually has something valuable to contribute to the topic to sit on the panel.

3) Getting them to open up and be forthcoming.

No one who has a really cool new idea and is making bank with it is going to sit on a panel and introduce everyone else to it. Again, this business strip mines. If you have 3-4 sites kicking ass with some new fangled innovation, as soon as the word gets out, there'll be so many of them no one can make more than beer money off of the concept.

I do my business at a corner table somewhere near the bar.

[softball]

The one I was on could have been quite useful had there not be a tweaker substituted at th last mnute that wanted to answer every question with his vast experience of 10 months.

I think he was destined to wear the uniform he had on for the panel....
"Welcome to Applebees"
Would he be a hodad?

[Hammer]

Would he be a hodad?
Yeah, but pretty fucking close to a newbie.

[gonzo]

Would he be a hodad?
A moron more like it.
He wanted to argue with JD and Bernstein.
I guess that applebees uniform shirt made him a lawyer as well as a waiter.

[Hammer]

A moron more like it.
He wanted to argue with JD and Bernstein.
I guess that applebees uniform shirt made him a lawyer as well as a waiter.
Not only was he arguing with two U.S. attorneys about something he clearly was clueless about, but the dumb fuck is from Canada.

Not that there's anything wrong with being from Canada, but that's like me telling a woman what it feels like to have a cucumber stuffed in her pussy.

[gonzo]

Not only was he arguing with two U.S. attorneys about something he clearly was clueless about, but the dumb fuck is from Canada.

Not that there's anything wrong with being from Canada, but that's like me telling a woman what it feels like to have a cucumber stuffed in her pussy.
I think thats why he was whining. Somone shoved a cucumber up his.

[Rcourt64]

You guys just don't learn, You know I'm gonna pull this shit :rolleyes:
http://www.cucumberlinks.com/images/fuck.jpg (http://www.cucumberlinks.com/)

[softball]

Not only was he arguing with two U.S. attorneys about something he clearly was clueless about, but the dumb fuck is from Canada.

Not that there's anything wrong with being from Canada, but that's like me telling a woman what it feels like to have a cucumber stuffed in her pussy.
What did he talk about? I must have missed it.

[Hammer]

What did he talk about? I must have missed it.
The seminar was about community sites and pretty much everything he said was pure bullshit, but he really stepped in it when I said that I didn't agree with community sites censoring words like GFY does and he went off on how they could get sued if they don't censor words like pedophile.

He and Eric from GFY both said that if they don't censor words like that people call each other those names and I said, it also means that no one can carry on a legitimate conversation about child porn and pedophiles because those words (at least on GFY), are replaced with hahahahahahahahaha.

He argued his point to the point that J.D. Obenberger (who was in the audience) stood up and said that no word in the English language is considered legally obscene and arguing my point that no words should be censored. Then Mr. Applebees started arguing points of law with Obenberger who finally threw up his hands, laughed and walked out, while moderator Mark Womack is apologizing to him all the way to the door.

Then I asked a question about 2257 and a community site's responsibility in that regard specifically of Eric Bernstein at which point Appleboy started to answer so I said, "I asked the attorney" so he shut up.

Those are just a couple examples. He had some of us laughing the whole seminar.

[Jace]

The seminar was about community sites and pretty much everything he said was pure bullshit, but he really stepped in it when I said that I didn't agree with community sites censoring words like GFY does and he went off on how they could get sued if they don't censor words like pedophile.

He and Eric from GFY both said that if they don't censor words like that people call each other those names and I said, it also means that no one can carry on a legitimate conversation about child porn and pedophiles because those words (at least on GFY), are replaced with hahahahahahahahaha.

He argued his point to the point that J.D. Obenberger (who was in the audience) stood up and said that no word in the English language is considered legally obscene and arguing my point that no words should be censored. Then Mr. Applebees started arguing points of law with Obenberger who finally threw up his hands, laughed and walked out, while moderator Mark Womack is apologizing to him all the way to the door.

Then I asked a question about 2257 and a community site's responsibility in that regard specifically of Eric Bernstein at which point Appleboy started to answer so I said, "I asked the attorney" so he shut up.

Those are just a couple examples. He had some of us laughing the whole seminar.

and avn hired this guy to be on a panel?

[gonzo]

and avn hired this guy to be on a panel?
Lance from Xtube was too busy so he sent his waterboy.

[Hammer]

and avn hired this guy to be on a panel?
Well, they didn't hire him but someone picked him, but like Gonzo said he was a replacement.

But there were plenty panelists that AVN selected that had no business being there.

[Jace]

Lance from Xtube was too busy so he sent his waterboy.

that is nuts, there is so much talent out there when it comes to adult webmastering, I just don't get why they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel

[Hammer]

that is nuts, there is so much talent out there when it comes to adult webmastering, I just don't get why they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel
Politics and bribes. ;)

[gonzo]

Politics and bribes. ;)

I have to step up for AVN on this one.
They solicit for each show and each panel speakers from an open invitation.

You have to remember AVN publishes a magazine and hosts those Internext shows. Their insight into the inner workings of this business is limited from that respect.

Weve all seen how people coming into the net side of this business are either easily swayed or confused by sig whores and people who pass themselves off as marketing geniuses that know nothing.

Spinning tunes poolside at the Hard Rock hardly qualifies anyone for marketing in this business. Those that are successful dont promote the clients they take money from but continue to promote themselves.

Jace I know youve been asked to sit on a blogging panel before.

If anyone is interested in being on a panel I suggest that you contact AVNonline and make your case. I for one wouldnt mind attending more of these from a listeners side.

Keep in mind though that people will expect your expert advice for free.
So be willing to share some of your success strategies before volunteering.

[Jace]

I have to step up for AVN on this one.
They solicit for each show and each panel speakers from an open invitation.

You have to remember AVN publishes a magazine and hosts those Internext shows. Their insight into the inner workings of this business is limited from that respect.

Weve all seen how people coming into the net side of this business are either easily swayed or confused by sig whores and people who pass themselves off as marketing geniuses that know nothing.

Spinning tunes poolside at the Hard Rock hardly qualifies anyone for marketing in this business. Those that are successful dont promote the clients they take money from but continue to promote themselves.

Jace I know youve been asked to sit on a blogging panel before.

If anyone is interested in being on a panel I suggest that you contact AVNonline and make your case. I for one wouldnt mind attending more of these from a listeners side.

Keep in mind though that people will expect your expert advice for free.
So be willing to share some of your success strategies before volunteering.

well, at the time I just didn't like avn very much, and while that stands true for the most part, I now look at the joke the panels are and know there is NO WAY I would ever get up there and do it

i would however be game for a private workshop for newbies or something like that, "building traffic with blogs", I finally feel confident in my abilities to be able to handle something like that

but I won't be put on the chopping block in a "panel" setting, i see more people coming back from internext laughing at them more than anything

[Hammer]

I have to step up for AVN on this one.
They solicit for each show and each panel speakers from an open invitation.
Oh they solicit for panel speakers for each show, but that only gives them a list to pick from. How do they pick from the list once they have it? Do you think they make their choices randomly by putting the names in a hat, or do you think they actually know everyone that submits to speak and choose the ones that are most qualified, or do you think that they use some other method to pick, like which company spends the most advertising with them each year?

You can't pick good speakers by running a popularity contest.

[softball]

Do they have any panels on the fine art of pissing people off on web boards?

[Hammer]

Do they have any panels on the fine art of pissing people off on web boards?
Nah, that's too easy.

[softball]

Nah, that's too easy.

It is a craft that takes years to master. It is not an easy gig. There is the ebb and the flow. The pitch and the yaw. The yin and the Yang. The bob and the weave. Oh, it may appear easy, but that is only to the uninitiated. It is a carefully crafted, stage managed performance that only a few are privy to.

[Hammer]

It is a craft that takes years to master. It is not an easy gig. There is the ebb and the flow. The pitch and the yaw. The yin and the Yang. The bob and the weave. Oh, it may appear easy, but that is only to the uninitiated. It is a carefully crafted, stage managed performance that only a few are privy to.
I guess it just seems easy to me then. It's an ability that's always just come naturally to me.

[Rcourt64]

I guess it just seems easy to me then. It's an ability that's always just come naturally to me.
it's really not that easy to piss people off on web boards.
Here's a prime example right here, Look how long it took me to get sherlock shithead to put me on ignore? and he's one of the dumb ones. its even harder with higher IQ members :rolleyes:

[Jace]

it's really not that easy to piss people off on web boards.
Here's a prime example right here, Look how long it took me to get sherlock shithead to put me on ignore? and he's one of the dumb ones. its even harder with higher IQ members :rolleyes:

I have rarely gotten pissed off from forums in the past few years, you have to really cross lines with me.....you can ask my girl, I am the most laid back person in the world, i don't get pissed about ANYTHING in real life, why would the boards be any different

there isn't any problem that can't be handled, and there is no point in getting upset, whatever happens is going to happen, hate and negativity won't solve it

[softball]

I have rarely gotten pissed off from forums in the past few years, you have to really cross lines with me.....you can ask my girl, I am the most laid back person in the world, i don't get pissed about ANYTHING in real life, why would the boards be any different

there isn't any problem that can't be handled, and there is no point in getting upset, whatever happens is going to happen, hate and negativity won't solve it
And Jace, this is the first day of the rest of your life.

[softball]

I guess it just seems easy to me then. It's an ability that's always just come naturally to me.
Its a gift.

[Rcourt64]

And Jace, this is the first day of the rest of your life.

"...the first day of the rest of your life???" :blink: WTF???
Have you been attending those AA meeting again, man?