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what are we coming to when we allow people who have stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates speak at seminars?
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Hammer
08-09-2007, 04:53 PM
He wasn't speaking, he was holding a press conference to explain why he'd stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates. :whistling
He wasn't speaking, he was holding a press conference to explain why he'd stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates. :whistling
OMFG :wnw::wnw::wnw::wnw:
ScreaM
08-09-2007, 04:57 PM
Who is that guy?
Buckwheat
08-09-2007, 05:57 PM
Who is that guy?
i think it's that cory feldman mothafuka!
ScreaM
08-09-2007, 06:40 PM
i think it's that cory feldman mothafuka!
Thanks. I've not seen many of them. :)
Tucker
08-10-2007, 06:07 AM
what are we coming to when we allow people who have stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates speak at seminars?
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And alot are glad that you cannot afford to go. My offer still stand to buy you the furry faux liberace style coat you want in exchange for your sig spot.
Hammer, I guess when your business is built on soon to be obsolete models, you have to pick up biz at whatever expense one has to.
Back to trolling and good night.
And alot are glad that you cannot afford to go. My offer still stand to buy you the furry faux liberace style coat you want in exchange for your sig spot.
Hammer, I guess when your business is built on soon to be obsolete models, you have to pick up biz at whatever expense one has to.
Back to trolling and good night.
well, if you read up at all you would know I had planned to go and had everything paid for, then a close friend had a heart attack the night previous to leaving
but oh well, maybe we can see you all at the next show
gonzo
08-10-2007, 08:58 AM
And alot are glad that you cannot afford to go. My offer still stand to buy you the furry faux liberace style coat you want in exchange for your sig spot.
Hammer, I guess when your business is built on soon to be obsolete models, you have to pick up biz at whatever expense one has to.
Back to trolling and good night.
You can buy my signature hahaha
Hammer
08-10-2007, 09:28 AM
Hammer, I guess when your business is built on soon to be obsolete models, you have to pick up biz at whatever expense one has to.
And what would those be? Designing pay sites, or blog templates, or SEO, or consulting? Maybe you're referring to the turnkeys? In any case, I doubt if any of them are in danger of becoming obsolete and I can adapt and I'm also smart enough not to put all my eggs in one basket so I'm pretty sure my affiliate sites will continue to make me rich, as will my mainstream businesses.
I guess I really should have done like the news does though and used the word "alleged". Sorry about that. ;)
I'm curious though how it is you think that my post was in any way intended to pick up biz.
softball
08-10-2007, 09:38 AM
You can buy my signature hahaha
What, you need two of those designer coats?
mjavn
08-10-2007, 01:24 PM
You guys bicker too much. And shouldn't such a conversation be taking place at GFY so all the flamers and trolls can talk about someone else's business like they know all of it's interworkings?
That would really make me feel better, because as has been demonstrated hundreds of times, everyone in this industry works at AVN and knows every move we make and why we make it.
But carry on...
You guys bicker too much. And shouldn't such a conversation be taking place at GFY so all the flamers and trolls can talk about someone else's business like they know all of it's interworkings?
That would really make me feel better, because as has been demonstrated hundreds of times, everyone in this industry works at AVN and knows every move we make and why we make it.
But carry on...
wow
that is about all I can say
so, tell us then, why did you all have a guy that ran an affiliate program that to this day still has not paid affiliates thousands of dollars they owe?
Tucker
08-10-2007, 03:51 PM
And what would those be? Designing pay sites, or blog templates, or SEO, or consulting? Maybe you're referring to the turnkeys? In any case, I doubt if any of them are in danger of becoming obsolete and I can adapt and I'm also smart enough not to put all my eggs in one basket so I'm pretty sure my affiliate sites will continue to make me rich, as will my mainstream businesses.
I guess I really should have done like the news does though and used the word "alleged". Sorry about that. ;)
I'm curious though how it is you think that my post was in any way intended to pick up biz.
Hammer - I am just looking out for a partner and a friend who is getting heat that will in time be turned around when the case settles and all of the facts come out. You are a smart guy which is why I was surprised when I saw the post and I guess I jumped to conclusions because the whole situation bothers me alot. I am sorry.
Gonzo - Its a a shame we didnt sit down and chat at the show. I would like very much to sit down with you at the next one and clear the air if we can. I think you and I have a lot of misunderstandings that if we were able to talk them out we could square away.
* Note: I have seen him in loud outfits for players balls, he doesn't need two coats.
Monty - "everyone in this industry works at AVN" EVERYONE works for AVN??? And yes we all bicker and will continue to do so. Isnt that what the boards are these days? imabro.com has highlighted the fact that its like sitting ringside at a prize fight.
Tucker
08-10-2007, 03:52 PM
well, if you read up at all you would know I had planned to go and had everything paid for, then a close friend had a heart attack the night previous to leaving
but oh well, maybe we can see you all at the next show
I hope your friend is ok. Life is precious.
Can I still buy you the coat and get your sig spot?
Hammer
08-10-2007, 03:59 PM
Hammer - I am just looking out for a partner and a friend who is getting heat that will in time be turned around when the case settles and all of the facts come out. You are a smart guy which is why I was surprised when I saw the post and I guess I jumped to conclusions because the whole situation bothers me alot. I am sorry.
No worries. It's none of my business anyway and I just made a bad joke when I should have just kept my mouth shut. I saw you once briefly at the show but across a crowded room so didn't get a chance to say howdie.
gonzo
08-10-2007, 04:02 PM
Hammer - I am just looking out for a partner and a friend who is getting heat that will in time be turned around when the case settles and all of the facts come out. You are a smart guy which is why I was surprised when I saw the post and I guess I jumped to conclusions because the whole situation bothers me alot. I am sorry.
Gonzo - Its a a shame we didnt sit down and chat at the show. I would like very much to sit down with you at the next one and clear the air if we can. I think you and I have a lot of misunderstandings that if we were able to talk them out we could square away.
* Note: I have seen him in loud outfits for players balls, he doesn't need two coats.
Monty - "everyone in this industry works at AVN" EVERYONE works for AVN??? And yes we all bicker and will continue to do so. Isnt that what the boards are these days? imabro.com has highlighted the fact that its like sitting ringside at a prize fight.
Jasoin Im just regular folks and Im willing to speak with anyone at anytime as I keep an open mind.
FWIW I *like* Chris and Brandi ... I have stayed silent on the issue as MJ said no one knows at least with proof solid what is going on with that legal issue. Thats the courts judgement and I dont want to speculate on whats going on there even though Ive heard several bits and pieces.
BTW I think what youve had to do with your Porn Kings settlement is also wise. Content thieves in this business need to be punished. This isnt 2000 anymore and running these busnesses like its the wild wild west isnt wise any longer. Its sad that you had to sell off some decent domains but I can understand why you did. Cant anyone fault you for doing what you had to.
I didnt get to make your web 2.0 seminar as I was curious what you guys were doing with it as I havent seen you up to much online. But then the internet is a very large place.
My ICQ is always open to speak with anyone. I still have a lot to learn in this business.
gonzo
08-10-2007, 04:04 PM
What, you need two of those designer coats?
Actually.
The infamous blue fox that doesnt fit my fat ass coat doesnt belong to me.
It was left here by a model so I figured Id use it ONE TIME for a photo.
Silly me.
gonzo
08-10-2007, 04:07 PM
You guys bicker too much. And shouldn't such a conversation be taking place at GFY so all the flamers and trolls can talk about someone else's business like they know all of it's interworkings?
That would really make me feel better, because as has been demonstrated hundreds of times, everyone in this industry works at AVN and knows every move we make and why we make it.
But carry on...
MJ you know Im bucking to get on that payroll too!
Heres a good chance to say that the show was very productive for me. It wasnt anything you guys did special other than to have the show.
I think its future is solidified for as long as you want to have it there.
one thing I always wondered is this...how can two people that have a daughter in which they showed pics of on national tv and said the childs real name, be in charge of a company called "parents in adult"? pretty irresponsible if you ask me
jason, I know you are a good guy, I have heard countless praises on your behalf, and I admire what you did in the pornkings case, you definitely deserve a standing ovation on that
but anyone associated with chris and brandi has lowered their own value, period
btw, it took me FOREVER to find that video of chris and brandi on the larry elder show, but I wrote them and paid for a copy of the video and they sent it to me....it is INSANE, one of the most irresponsible things I have ever seen coming from parents in the porn industry
And alot are glad that you cannot afford to go. My offer still stand to buy you the furry faux liberace style coat you want in exchange for your sig spot.
Hammer, I guess when your business is built on soon to be obsolete models, you have to pick up biz at whatever expense one has to.
Back to trolling and good night.
please remove me from your icq list, I have now blocked you so anything you send me won't come through anyway
tucker, you are the one that chose to do business with known scum, so don't be surprised when people start turning their back on you and giving you a hard time
btw, how are those NATS codes working out for old exclusivecash galleries that people created on their own?
softball
08-10-2007, 07:53 PM
Is this the Tucker that crashed that DRM company and cost me a lot of money and never returned phone calls? This guy has a good rep? What a funny old world.
can someone decipher this for me?
(8:22:57 PM) NR Media Chris: Keep up the great posts I have just about finished with the .pdf's and need something to do *THUMBS UP*
softball
08-10-2007, 09:04 PM
Is this the Tucker that crashed that DRM company and cost me a lot of money and never returned phone calls? This guy has a good rep? What a funny old world.
Don't everyone speak up at once. Tucker was that you?
Yes, that was/is the same Tucker.
softball
08-10-2007, 09:18 PM
Yes, that was/is the same Tucker.
So why the fuck is he giving a seminar on anything? More to the point, why is anyone listening? Will someone give us some background on how he manages to still do business? BTW, was that him in the picture?
So why the fuck is he giving a seminar on anything? More to the point, why is anyone listening? Will someone give us some background on how he manages to still do business? BTW, was that him in the picture?
the picture is of Chris a.k.a NastyBoy from parentsinadult.com and formerly xclusivecash (yeah, the ones that still have not paid their affiliates)
tucker actually runs falconfoto, and that company is pretty fucking huge
mailman
08-10-2007, 10:02 PM
duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck GOOOSE!
gonzo
08-10-2007, 10:04 PM
duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck GOOOSE!
Welcome back! I think we have met in passing before. You might want to edit your sig. Looks like sigbot ate it at one time.
He has mellowed ever since he and spambot married.
mailman
08-10-2007, 10:05 PM
duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck GOOOSE!
Damn 2003 reg date... BALLIN!
mailman
08-10-2007, 10:07 PM
Welcome back! I think we have met in passing before. You might want to edit your sig. Looks like sigbot ate it at one time.
He has mellowed ever since he and spambot married.
No I dont belive we have met? Possibly?
As for my sig, no clue what it was before... just thought I come and see whats going on here.
gonzo
08-10-2007, 10:10 PM
No I dont belive we have met? Possibly?
As for my sig, no clue what it was before... just thought I come and see whats going on here.
We have briefly. I hooked you up with last years ticket in Vegas via Ron Stewart.
mailman
08-10-2007, 10:20 PM
We have briefly. I hooked you up with last years ticket in Vegas via Ron Stewart.
I was not in vegas last year? Think I have missed the last 2 years.
gonzo
08-10-2007, 11:01 PM
I was not in vegas last year? Think I have missed the last 2 years.
Wrong fellow then. Hahaha
:waving: Hiya mailman, welcome back to Oprano
Hell Puppy
08-10-2007, 11:32 PM
Somewhere....
Dirty Doug is STILL pissed off.
Hell Puppy
08-10-2007, 11:33 PM
* Note: I have seen him in loud outfits for players balls, he doesn't need two coats.
GonZo?
At a Players Ball?
softball
08-10-2007, 11:36 PM
So why the fuck is he giving a seminar on anything? More to the point, why is anyone listening? Will someone give us some background on how he manages to still do business? BTW, was that him in the picture?
I notice he has left the building. Big player with big debts. Fuck that. Guys like this are what is wrong with this business.
Here's the deal, Jason. Buy me a camera and all is forgiven. Quid pro quo Dr. Lecter.
mailman
08-10-2007, 11:46 PM
:waving: Hiya mailman, welcome back to Oprano
Hey Toby! :)
softball
08-10-2007, 11:49 PM
Hey Toby! :)
I don't think we have been formally introduced, but nice to meet you.
Hammer
08-11-2007, 02:10 PM
I'm guessing this is Mailman from Medium Pimpin?
The whole Exclusivecash suing NATS thing and pulling NATS and thus leaving their affiliates high and dry is a convoluted deal and one I'm still not clear on details wise. I thought they had a good case against NATS but once they yanked NATS and left it up to all of their affiliates to change their links and didn't provide them with an easy way to do that, they kind of lost my support. I'm sure there's more to it than what I know, but it's still seems like no one is blameless.
For the record, I've never been an Exlusivecash affiliate and am not owed any money so I'm merely a spectator and have no vested interest in the outcome. Personally, I don't know Chris, but I've known and liked Jason Tucker for years, so I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
softball
08-11-2007, 02:19 PM
I'm guessing this is Mailman from Medium Pimpin?
The whole Exclusivecash suing NATS thing and pulling NATS and thus leaving their affiliates high and dry is a convoluted deal and one I'm still not clear on details wise. I thought they had a good case against NATS but once they yanked NATS and left it up to all of their affiliates to change their links and didn't provide them with an easy way to do that, they kind of lost my support. I'm sure there's more to it than what I know, but it's still seems like no one is blameless.
For the record, I've never been an Exlusivecash affiliate and am not owed any money so I'm merely a spectator and have no vested interest in the outcome. Personally, I don't know Chris, but I've known and liked Jason Tucker for years, so I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
You have any idea why he cut and ran and left us high and dry on the DRM deal? We had some real scrambling to do that was very costly and he just stopped answering his phone after blaming everyone involved but himself. Or is this just a dirty little secret no one likes to talk about?
Hammer
08-11-2007, 02:54 PM
You have any idea why he cut and ran and left us high and dry on the DRM deal? We had some real scrambling to do that was very costly and he just stopped answering his phone after blaming everyone involved but himself. Or is this just a dirty little secret no one likes to talk about?
I remember his DRM project and he came on my radio show a few years ago talking about it and I found it quite interesting, but I didn't follow what became of it much after that.
I'm guessing this is Mailman from Medium Pimpin?
The whole Exclusivecash suing NATS thing and pulling NATS and thus leaving their affiliates high and dry is a convoluted deal and one I'm still not clear on details wise. I thought they had a good case against NATS but once they yanked NATS and left it up to all of their affiliates to change their links and didn't provide them with an easy way to do that, they kind of lost my support. I'm sure there's more to it than what I know, but it's still seems like no one is blameless.
For the record, I've never been an Exlusivecash affiliate and am not owed any money so I'm merely a spectator and have no vested interest in the outcome. Personally, I don't know Chris, but I've known and liked Jason Tucker for years, so I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
from the way I saw it all go down, there was a discrepancy discovered in the amount of rebills that were paid out to affiliates, and instead of dealing with it, chris got bitchy with nats on the phone (from what I hear this is pretty normal of chris)..
after they locked the nats install affiliates could still log in, the only thing that gets locked is the main admin....NATS even said they would allow them to log in and pay affiliates as long as lawyers were present....xclusivecash said no
tucker walked into all this right in the middle and had NO idea about any of it, and I DO feel bad for him, BUT what made me lose any, if not all, respect that I did have for him, was a few months ago they secretly switched from nats to mpa3 across all their sites and didn't inform their affiliates....3 affiliates that I know personally found out by just happening to go to an old gallery they had up and click the nats link and it directed with no codes...tucker/chris sent no warning out or even told anyone before hand...that is some shady shit...i understand the need to get new tracking up, but that is something that should have been widely announced
there was a lot of shady shit that went down in the whole deal, but the bottom line is that affiliates never got paid, and it wasn't even a priority of XC to pay affiliates as shown by their decision to not take nats up on the offer to log in...chris and brandi are some shady ass fuckers, and like I have said previously, anyone that would partner up with them is INSANE, they have fucked people in this biz before tucker signed on with them, chances are they will screw tucker over eventually
softball
08-11-2007, 04:18 PM
I remember his DRM project and he came on my radio show a few years ago talking about it and I found it quite interesting, but I didn't follow what became of it much after that.
Interesting? It was the Chinese curse. Him and his buddy got our business along with a few others I am sure. Then one day, they just kind of out of the blue folded it. We were stuck with a whole lot of encoded videos, which had been costly and painful to get set up. These clowns took forever and charged large for it. I talked to Tucker who always seemed to be driving his Escalade or whatever it was when he talked to me, more promises of rescue, then the calls stopped. Except for one (or was it an email) where he demanded last months payment for service. Man that guy had some balls asking for that. Really bad businessman. I don't care that he runs some big ass photo joint, he still has the capacity to stiff his clients. I wouldn't trust him as far as the length of my keyboard. I also notice he continually reads this thread and never responds. Where's my freeking camera, Jason?
softball
08-11-2007, 04:20 PM
You know sometimes I may stir a little shit, but I always do a very honest business and I think guys who don't should be outted. Not lecturing at adult conventions.
Hammer
08-11-2007, 06:46 PM
Interesting? It was the Chinese curse.It was still an interesting concept.
softball
08-11-2007, 06:52 PM
It was still an interesting concept.
So was the Titanic. But it was a turkey. But it was run by bozos who never even apologised for their mess. It was unforgivable. No different from Ibill and all the cocksuckers that ran that "interesting" company.
from the way I saw it all go down, there was a discrepancy discovered in the amount of rebills that were paid out to affiliates, and instead of dealing with it, chris got bitchy with nats on the phone (from what I hear this is pretty normal of chris)..
after they locked the nats install affiliates could still log in, the only thing that gets locked is the main admin....NATS even said they would allow them to log in and pay affiliates as long as lawyers were present....xclusivecash said no
tucker walked into all this right in the middle and had NO idea about any of it, and I DO feel bad for him, BUT what made me lose any, if not all, respect that I did have for him, was a few months ago they secretly switched from nats to mpa3 across all their sites and didn't inform their affiliates....3 affiliates that I know personally found out by just happening to go to an old gallery they had up and click the nats link and it directed with no codes...tucker/chris sent no warning out or even told anyone before hand...that is some shady shit...i understand the need to get new tracking up, but that is something that should have been widely announced
there was a lot of shady shit that went down in the whole deal, but the bottom line is that affiliates never got paid, and it wasn't even a priority of XC to pay affiliates as shown by their decision to not take nats up on the offer to log in...chris and brandi are some shady ass fuckers, and like I have said previously, anyone that would partner up with them is INSANE, they have fucked people in this biz before tucker signed on with them, chances are they will screw tucker over eventually
btw, I just wanted to let you all know that this post was my opinion of what happened from reading all the posts on gfy and other boards, I tried as best I could to put the pieces together, but I am sure there is much more to both sides of the story
xclusivecash affiliates still have yet to be paid though, I do know that is a fact
I often wonder why Chris from xclusivecash never posts on boards, he obviously reads them ALL the time, because every post I make he tries to icq me
here is the latest:
(8/11/2007 5:29:00 PM) NR Media Chris: http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showpost.php?p=792103&postcount=45 :-D You and StuartD are just maiking this all too easy ... please...by all means keep it up *THUMBS UP* In all sincerity... I appreciate it. And Hey if Tucker can't buy your Sig... can I?
Hammer
08-11-2007, 08:44 PM
So was the Titanic. But it was a turkey. But it was run by bozos who never even apologised for their mess. It was unforgivable. No different from Ibill and all the cocksuckers that ran that "interesting" company.
The Titanic was a perfectly fine ship that was sunk by an extremely freak accident. No one could have predicted that the ship would ever hit a submerged iceberg that would breach several airtight chambers and make a ship that otherwise would have been nearly unsinkable, sink.
That doesn't change the fact that DRM is a very useful way to use P2P sites or to keep members from downloading all of a site's videos and watching them beyond the membership expiration. Just because a company may have pulled some shit on the people that used it doesn't make it any less interesting. I also said I thought it was an interesting idea several years ago at the time that he talked about it on my show, when it was a relatively new idea.
Now don't go wibbling on me.
softball
08-11-2007, 08:47 PM
The Titanic was a perfectly fine ship that was sunk by an extremely freak accident. No one could have predicted that the ship would ever hit a submerged iceberg that would breach several airtight chambers and make a ship that otherwise would have been nearly unsinkable, sink.
That doesn't change the fact that DRM is a very useful way to use P2P sites or to keep members from downloading all of a site's videos and watching them beyond the membership expiration. Just because a company may have pulled some shit on the people that used it doesn't make it any less interesting. I also said I thought it was an interesting idea several years ago at the time that he talked about it on my show, when it was a relatively new idea.
Now don't go wibbling on me.
"That doesn't change the fact that DRM is a very useful way to use P2P sites or to keep members from downloading all of a site's videos and watching them beyond the membership expiration. "
DRM is very interesting and useful. That was exactly why I bought into it. That was never my point. Tucker was the problem. He handled the company and the customers about as well as White Star treated its passengers. He cut them loose to drown with inadequate safety nets.
Edit: you see, what I find interesting, is no one calls Tucker out to talk about said disaster. Why on earth would you defend anyone who conducts business like this?
Hammer
08-11-2007, 08:58 PM
Why on earth would you defend anyone who conducts business like this?
Where in the world have you seen me defend Jason? I said I've known him for years and consider him a friend. He's not a close personal friend and maybe instead of saying 'friend' I should have said he's someone I'm 'friendly' with, because other than having friendly conversations with him at conventions, I don't really know him. If I had actual business dealings with him and had used his DRM service and been fucked over I would certainly feel differently, but at this point I don't have any first-hand business experiences with him and I'm not going to condemn someone based on what I've read about them on the boards. I don't think I'm in a position to either defend or condemn him.
softball
08-11-2007, 09:00 PM
Where in the world have you seen me defend Jason? I said I've known him for years and consider him a friend. He's not a close personal friend and maybe instead of saying 'friend' I should have said he's someone I'm 'friendly' with, because other than having friendly conversations with him at conventions, I don't really know him. If I had actual business dealings with him and had used his DRM service and been fucked over I would certainly feel differently, but at this point I don't have any first-hand business experiences with him and I'm not going to condemn someone based on what I've read about them on the boards. I don't think I'm in a position to either defend or condemn him.
Fair enough.
Buckwheat
08-11-2007, 09:04 PM
We have briefly. I hooked you up with last years ticket in Vegas via Ron Stewart.
i love that muhfuka!
ever pitcher tells a story dont it . . . ever pitcher tells a story dont it
gonzo
08-11-2007, 09:13 PM
The DRM debate is a good one.
A good example of how DRM works is how well it prefoms inthe pay per minute genre as opposed to DRM but used to protect content inside of a members area.
[The views expressed on Oprano are those of the posters and in cases not mine....or Evil Empire Inc.. of course unless I posted it]
softball
08-11-2007, 09:34 PM
The DRM debate is a good one.
A good example of how DRM works is how well it prefoms inthe pay per minute genre as opposed to DRM but used to protect content inside of a members area.
[The views expressed on Oprano are those of the posters and in cases not mine....or Evil Empire Inc.. of course unless I posted it]
I love drm. I wish it was the industry standard.
Hell Puppy
08-12-2007, 06:56 PM
This is where my surfer eyes and my business eyes disagree.
From a business point of view, I love DRM.
As a surfer, I hate it.
For it to ever get traction outside of the VOD world, it'll have to become a lot less intrusive. From the user point of view, their experience should be no different than viewing a simple mpeg.
Even then, it'll only work on exclusive content. If I can go down the street and get the same thing from someone else without DRM, whose site do you think I'm going to get my videos from?
Surfer wins here so far.....proof of that is that even guys like Nasty Dollars/Bang Bros who produce TONS of exclusive video content every week are NOT using DRM.
mailman
08-13-2007, 12:26 AM
I often wonder why Chris from xclusivecash never posts on boards, he obviously reads them ALL the time, because every post I make he tries to icq me
here is the latest:
(8/11/2007 5:29:00 PM) NR Media Chris: http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showpost.php?p=792103&postcount=45 :-D You and StuartD are just maiking this all too easy ... please...by all means keep it up *THUMBS UP* In all sincerity... I appreciate it. And Hey if Tucker can't buy your Sig... can I?
At least Chris sends you an ICQ when I use to hit them up I would get no responce being I would go to Chris because TUCKER DID NOT OWN XCLUSIVE CASH and then chris would never respond and then mins later Tucker would hit me up..
all I know is that from when they stoped paying webmasters through nats forget the original issue that caused all this I am owed at least $4,500 and thats only till feb when I got sick of taking screen caps and they only pulled off nats a few months back.
At least Chris sends you an ICQ when I use to hit them up I would get no responce being I would go to Chris because TUCKER DID NOT OWN XCLUSIVE CASH and then chris would never respond and then mins later Tucker would hit me up..
all I know is that from when they stoped paying webmasters through nats forget the original issue that caused all this I am owed at least $4,500 and thats only till feb when I got sick of taking screen caps and they only pulled off nats a few months back.
I just wonder what he means by "You and StuartD are just maiking this all too easy"
wonder if they are going to sue me??? ROFL
:waving: Chris!
Hammer
08-13-2007, 09:16 AM
I just wonder what he means by "You and StuartD are just maiking this all too easy"
wonder if they are going to sue me??? ROFL
:waving: Chris!
Might not be as funny as you think. Since you have no first-hand knowledge of anything you've said and have no way to prove any of it as fact, it might be best to stop talking.
Might not be as funny as you think. Since you have no first-hand knowledge of anything you've said and have no way to prove any of it as fact, it might be best to stop talking.
every post I make is of my opinion and all information is gathered from various posts by those on the inside and those speculating
I make sure and let people know that when I post
I have said it time and time again with every single post, the only thing I know for a fact is that affiliates of xclusivecash have still not been paid
Hammer
08-13-2007, 09:57 AM
every post I make is of my opinion and all information is gathered from various posts by those on the inside and those speculating
I make sure and let people know that when I post
I have said it time and time again with every single post, the only thing I know for a fact is that affiliates of xclusivecash have still not been paid
Do you know what libel and slander are? They are exactly what you just admitted to doing. You are saying things about a company that you don't know to be fact. If they can prove that the things you are saying is causing them financial loss and that what you said was not a fact, that is libel.
Just because you say you've only heard this from other people or read it on other boards doesn't protect you from a libel suit if what you are saying can't be proven as fact.
Let's say that I post on a board that company A stole from their affiliates, but I'm only repeating something I'd heard or read and have no first-hand knowledge or proof.
Suppose that I'm popular on that board and people listen to what I say so they start pulling their links and switching to another sponsor.
Suppose that company A can prove that I directly caused those affiliates to pull their links which then caused them to suffer a financial loss because some of those affiliates were generating substantial signups.
Suppose that company A knows they can prove that what I said was untrue because of some facts that I and the people I'd heard this stuff from weren't privy to?
Not only am I going to be slapped with a libel suit, but chances are very good that they will win because they will be able to prove all the elements of a libel suit.
1. My statements were false
2. My statements were made with the intent of causing ruin
3. My statements were made to more than one person
Let's say that I post on a board that company A stole from their affiliates, but I'm only repeating something I'd heard or read and have no first-hand knowledge or proof.
Suppose that I'm popular on that board and people listen to what I say so they start pulling their links and switching to another sponsor.
Suppose that company A can prove that I directly caused those affiliates to pull their links which then caused them to suffer a financial loss because some of those affiliates were generating substantial signups.
Suppose that company A knows they can prove that what I said was untrue because of some facts that I and the people I'd heard this stuff from weren't privy to?
Not only am I going to be slapped with a libel suit, but chances are very good that they will win because they will be able to prove all the elements of a libel suit.
1. My statements were false
2. My statements were made with the intent of causing ruin
3. My statements were made to more than one person
wow, so you are a lawyer now too? damn, your resume just keeps growing
Rcourt64
08-13-2007, 11:17 AM
Do you know what libel and slander are? They are exactly what you just admitted to doing. You are saying things about a company that you don't know to be fact. If they can prove that the things you are saying is causing them financial loss and that what you said was not a fact, that is libel.
Just because you say you've only heard this from other people or read it on other boards doesn't protect you from a libel suit if what you are saying can't be proven as fact.
Let's say that I post on a board that company A stole from their affiliates, but I'm only repeating something I'd heard or read and have no first-hand knowledge or proof.
Suppose that I'm popular on that board and people listen to what I say so they start pulling their links and switching to another sponsor.
Suppose that company A can prove that I directly caused those affiliates to pull their links which then caused them to suffer a financial loss because some of those affiliates were generating substantial signups.
Suppose that company A knows they can prove that what I said was untrue because of some facts that I and the people I'd heard this stuff from weren't privy to?
Not only am I going to be slapped with a libel suit, but chances are very good that they will win because they will be able to prove all the elements of a libel suit.
1. My statements were false
2. My statements were made with the intent of causing ruin
3. My statements were made to more than one person
Do you know how hard it would be to prove most of that crap?
Subordination, Discrimination, Hear say, Speech Coalition Acts, and a few more...:g01:I can think of so many ways to rip this open Mighty One.
Hammer
08-13-2007, 12:15 PM
wow, so you are a lawyer now too? damn, your resume just keeps growing
Does someone need to be a lawyer to understand the law and how not to break it?
Rcourt64
08-13-2007, 12:41 PM
Does someone need to be a lawyer to understand the law and how not to break it?
Just learn how to go around, and play thru the law, its how cases have been who for years.
Interpreting the law to work in your favor is very successful for lawyers now days. :)
The "Proven with actual fact evidence" barely works anymore in court cuz it's so hard to do.
Does someone need to be a lawyer to understand the law and how not to break it?
what does that have to do with being sued for something I said on a message board?
you know as well as I do that court cases these days are based on how good the lawyers are....:yowsa::yowsa::yowsa:
besides, you can't make any money suing someone who has nothing :blink: and as tucker already has said on humorous occasions, I am too broke to afford my own things, so I doubt I have much to worry about
Hammer
08-13-2007, 12:50 PM
The "Proven with actual fact evidence" barely works anymore in court cuz it's so hard to do.
I agree that libel is difficult to prove, but then again, I sure wouldn't want to have to pay to defend myself against a libel lawsuit whether I ultimately won or not.
Rcourt64
08-13-2007, 12:53 PM
I agree that libel is difficult to prove, but then again, I sure wouldn't want to have to pay to defend myself against a libel lawsuit whether I ultimately won or not.
I won't argue that one :okthumb:
But P.S. thats where counter-law suits fall in handy.
Hammer
08-13-2007, 12:54 PM
what does that have to do with being sued for something I said on a message board?
LOL. It was in response to your comment about me being a lawyer.
It's amazing how people assume they will never be sued because they don't have a lot of money.
It's amazing how people assume they will never be sued because they don't have a lot of money.
jesus, shit just constantly flies right over your head doesn't it? :whistling
Rcourt64
08-13-2007, 01:31 PM
LOL. It was in response to your comment about me being a lawyer.
It's amazing how people assume they will never be sued because they don't have a lot of money.
True again, but we all know that 90% of these cases even when lost. People don't do any time. Look at O.J Simpson. That guy owes millions in a civil lawsuit with Nicole's family, and that asswipe is playing golf right now in some multi million dollar golf course.
Hammer
08-13-2007, 02:15 PM
jesus, shit just constantly flies right over your head doesn't it? :whistling
Not much flies over my head, but I think maybe some never makes it near yours.
Hammer
08-13-2007, 02:16 PM
True again, but we all know that 90% of these cases even when lost. People don't do any time. Look at O.J Simpson. That guy owes millions in a civil lawsuit with Nicole's family, and that asswipe is playing golf right now in some multi million dollar golf course.
I think O.J. had a little more money for his defense than Jace does. But hey, Jace isn't worried because he thinks people only sue people that have money.
Not much flies over my head, but I think maybe some never makes it near yours.
oh snap, good one dawg!
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I think O.J. had a little more money for his defense than Jace does. But hey, Jace isn't worried because he thinks people only sue people that have money.
now now, did I say that? and if I did, was I serious or just possibly playing off tucker calling me names?
regardless, i guess we will see in time, after all Chris is getting those pdf's ready :)
all right hammer, it has been fun having our daily quabble...I gotta run and grab my weekly crack supply before I start having withdrawals
Rcourt64
08-13-2007, 02:31 PM
I think O.J. had a little more money for his defense than Jace does. But hey, Jace isn't worried because he thinks people only sue people that have money.
You don't get it Hammer. He LOST the civil case, regardless of his pricey ass lawyers, They didn't do shit for him.
But he's still golfing it up somewhere. even though he owes them millions??? get it. :)
Your hanging around rhetorical too much Mighty One, it's starting to show man. :whistling
gonzo
08-13-2007, 03:09 PM
all right hammer, it has been fun having our daily quabble...I gotta run and grab my weekly crack supply before I start having withdrawals
Are you a trained actress too?
Hammer
08-13-2007, 03:30 PM
You don't get it Hammer. He LOST the civil case, regardless of his pricey ass lawyers, They didn't do shit for him.
But he's still golfing it up somewhere. even though he owes them millions??? get it. :)
Your hanging around rhetorical too much Mighty One, it's starting to show man. :whistling
It's no fun debating with someone that doesn't have a clue so I give up, you win. O.J. Simpson beat a murder rap and continues to live his life free and snub his nose at the family that won the case, but his attorneys didn't do shit for him. He just decided not to pay and no one is doing anything about it. :whistling
Are you a trained actress too?
no, but I do hire girls as models and pimp them out for $50 quick fucks
Rcourt64
08-13-2007, 05:54 PM
It's no fun debating with someone that doesn't have a clue so I give up, you win. O.J. Simpson beat a murder rap and continues to live his life free and snub his nose at the family that won the case, but his attorneys didn't do shit for him. He just decided not to pay and no one is doing anything about it. :whistling
Doesn't have a clue???? :hmm:
I haven't mentioned anything about his murder trial. Thats a totally different story,
I'm talking about getting sued and walking free, even if found guilty.
One's a civil case and ones a criminal trial. Meaning different lawyers with different cases and different circumstances .
I think you have your cases mixed up....
Soooo... :harhar01: naaa
He wasn't speaking, he was holding a press conference to explain why he'd stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates. :whistling
i didn't catch this before, glad someone pointed it out AFTER the big lawsuit quabble and how I was speaking about things I had no first hand knowledge of
so, ready to be sued hammer?
I NEVER EVER say anything about them stealing, so, how do you know they literally STOLE all that money?
Hammer
08-13-2007, 07:03 PM
i didn't catch this before, glad someone pointed it out AFTER the big lawsuit quabble and how I was speaking about things I had no first hand knowledge of
so, ready to be sued hammer?
I NEVER EVER say anything about them stealing, so, how do you know they literally STOLE all that money?
ummm... What kinds of drugs are you using? :blink:
"what are we coming to when we allow people who have stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates speak at seminars?"
That was how you started this thread. I was simply quoting you in my reply.
ummm... What kinds of drugs are you using? :blink:
"what are we coming to when we allow people who have stolen thousands of dollars from affiliates speak at seminars?"
That was how you started this thread. I was simply quoting you in my reply.
haha, that was quoted from me?
i didn't see any vbulletin quotes to show that
looks to me like you were doing the exact same thing I did, and also liable
i didn't catch this before, glad someone pointed it out AFTER the big lawsuit quabble and how I was speaking about things I had no first hand knowledge of
so, ready to be sued hammer?
I NEVER EVER say anything about them stealing, so, how do you know they literally STOLE all that money?
haha, i take that back, I just woke up from a nap when I posted this...I did say they stole, because as far as I see it right now the money is stolen, because affiliates haven't been paid and still have galleries up
but you DID say it too :clapping::clapping::clapping:
Hammer
08-13-2007, 07:26 PM
haha, that was quoted from me?
i didn't see any vbulletin quotes to show that
looks to me like you were doing the exact same thing I did, and also liable
LOL. You're killing me here man. First of all it's libel not liable and second, why don't you look at the post you started this thread with and tell me what you typed right above the picture of Chris that you posted.
I did not say anyone stole thousands of dollars, you did, I simply quoted you in my obvious joke. Nothing libelous about what I did.
LOL. You're killing me here man. First of all it's libel not liable and second, why don't you look at the post you started this thread with and tell me what you typed right above the picture of Chris that you posted.
I did not say anyone stole thousands of dollars, you did, I simply quoted you in my obvious joke. Nothing libelous about what I did.
no, i meant liable...sorry, I am not a lawyer, therefore don't pretend to be one by using legal terms
In the most general sense, a liability is anything that is a hindrance, or puts individuals at a disadvantage.
btw, you didn't quote shit, hell, you didn't even use quotation marks, much less the vbulletin quote feature
some random icq's from hammer's "friends"
(7:07:26 PM) XXXXXXX: Hammer must be drunk today man, not sure why he has it out for you lately.
another:
(6:21:42 PM) XXXXXXX: What did you do to Hammer to get him to stalk you like this over something that has nothing to do with him?
(6:22:01 PM) Jace: Nothing, I think he is still bitter that I called him out on the wordpress themes
(6:23:26 PM) XXXXXXX: well, he is acting like a total idiot in that thred, I had no idea he was a lawyer now too
(6:24:20 PM) Jace: I guess one of these posts he will eventually figure out that I am fucking around more than anything, but I doubt it, he takes everything way too seriously for that
Hammer, do you like me that much that you have to warn me about my actions on a message board? if not, what is your agenda here? i am all ears (or eyes rather)
i can't imagine you are schooling me just because you care so much, so what is it? you usually stalk me quite negatively, but today you are teaching me all kinds of stuff in order to educate me on the legal sytem
I did not say anyone stole thousands of dollars, you did, I simply quoted you in my obvious joke. Nothing libelous about what I did.
oh, and wait, I was just quoting someone on mediumpimpin, they originally said XC stole from affiliates
whew, guess I am clear now
Rcourt64
08-13-2007, 07:53 PM
My mama told his mama that Jaces mama saw Hammers mama talking to her mama about what Jaces mama said that it's libel not liable. 4real-4real yupyup, ask Buckwheats mama if ya don't believe.
All HEAR-SAY so far :hmm:
softball
08-13-2007, 07:55 PM
Jace, dude, you sound panicked. You need to breath into a brown paper bag.....................
Oh yeah and keep your fingers crossed that you won't be defending a law suit. LOL
Hammer
08-13-2007, 08:00 PM
I can't say that I like you, but I was trying to offer some friendly advice. What I did that deserved this copy and paste of a conversation, I'm not sure, but I've learned my lesson. Welcome to my ignore list.
Good luck explaining to the judge that the sentence you started this thread with was a quote from another board.
Hammer
08-13-2007, 08:05 PM
"Sorry Jace is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her."
Unfortunately it appears that I'll have to ignore him manually.
ROFL
Hammer, you are hilarious, I will give ya that
wish you could ignore on all the boards, cause I DO get sick of your stalking, that is for sure
softball
08-13-2007, 08:08 PM
ROFL
Hammer, you are hilarious, I will give ya that
wish you could ignore on all the boards, cause I DO get sick of your stalking, that is for sure
Jace, you are losing it. You might want to take the evening off.
Jace, dude, you sound panicked. You need to breath into a brown paper bag.....................
Oh yeah and keep your fingers crossed that you won't be defending a law suit. LOL
ha, I am having more fun than anything, there are a few of us in one of those aol chatrooms just laughing our asses off right now about this thread
and I doubt there will be any he said she said chat board lawsuits any time soon
Jace, you are losing it. You might want to take the evening off.
hammer is just mad cause I busted him ripping off themes and calling them his own
sarettah
08-13-2007, 08:12 PM
hammer is just mad cause I busted him ripping off themes and calling them his own
ORLY? Where/when was this? I must of missed it. (I hate missing shit like that)
softball
08-13-2007, 08:13 PM
curiouser and curiouser.
ok, on the advice of counsel I am going to stop posting in this thread
NOT...haha
I am actually just getting bored with it, and now that rhetorical has tainted it with his nonsense I feel it no longer has value
ORLY? Where/when was this? I must of missed it. (I hate missing shit like that)
last post for real this time
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=83139
softball
08-13-2007, 08:16 PM
ok, on the advice of counsel I am going to stop posting in this thread
NOT...haha
I am actually just getting bored with it, and now that rhetorical has tainted it with his nonsense I feel it no longer has value
Pathetic excuse. Using me for a parachute is just lame.
softball
08-13-2007, 11:46 PM
last post for real this time
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=83139
Either spit it out or go home. I don't want, nor need to read a whole freeking thread. Jace, if you are gonna call Hammer out, the put it on the line and make your accusations. Stop pussyfooting around and fire all your guns at once.....
oh yeah...then explode into space.
EmporerEJ
08-14-2007, 03:23 PM
It's no fun debating with someone that doesn't have a clue so I give up, you win. O.J. Simpson beat a murder rap and continues to live his life free and snub his nose at the family that won the case, but his attorneys didn't do shit for him. He just decided not to pay and no one is doing anything about it. :whistling
Oh, come on now....he's working tirelessly to find the real killer!
Didn't you hear? He has a GOOD lead, but they just won't pursue it.
EmporerEJ
08-14-2007, 03:29 PM
As for the rest of it.....
:corn::stfu_smil
c-c-c-can't we all just.....g-g-get along?
softball
08-14-2007, 07:41 PM
apparently we can, since Jace safely tucked his tale between his legs, and skulked out the back door, pissing his pants in fear of a lawsuit. I don't blame, him, though. Perhaps the smart move would have been to post a public apology, whether heart felt or not.
Rcourt64
08-14-2007, 08:50 PM
oh yeah...then explode into space.
http://myadg.com/op2007/cha-ching.gif
We have a winner $$$ :okthumb:
Prediction: "rhetorical would quote a song"
softball
08-18-2007, 02:42 AM
Hammer - I am just looking out for a partner and a friend who is getting heat that will in time be turned around when the case settles and all of the facts come out. You are a smart guy which is why I was surprised when I saw the post and I guess I jumped to conclusions because the whole situation bothers me alot. I am sorry.
Gonzo - Its a a shame we didnt sit down and chat at the show. I would like very much to sit down with you at the next one and clear the air if we can. I think you and I have a lot of misunderstandings that if we were able to talk them out we could square away.
* Note: I have seen him in loud outfits for players balls, he doesn't need two coats.
Monty - "everyone in this industry works at AVN" EVERYONE works for AVN??? And yes we all bicker and will continue to do so. Isnt that what the boards are these days? imabro.com has highlighted the fact that its like sitting ringside at a prize fight.
So jason, you cost me over twenty grand. Are you at least going to apologize or are you just going to brush it off, blame it on everyone else, and pretend to be successful? Anyone that stiffs someone will never be successful, just another loser with money. You could at least buy me a camera. Ask me which one I want. It aint cheap. I can't believe these guys at Oprano actually let you off the hook when everyone knows you crashed a business and bailed on the wreckage.
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