Dear Affiliate Youve Been Deleted

[gonzo]

How many of you have gotten an email like this before from a program?

Do you feel guilty and beg them to keep your account open?

Program owners can you tell me the wisdom in this?
You spend all of this money to acquire a webmaster and you want to do database administration periodically?

Honestly I think youd do better with a email saying that you see here is a problem promoting the program and asking what you can do to get the webmaster to send some traffic.

Special promo material?
Different banner sizes?

I think many have lost sight of what we are doing and all caught up in Free Hosted Galleries and worthless RSS feeds.

Anybody else got a comment?

[Khan]

How many of you have gotten an email like this before from a program?

Do you feel guilty and beg them to keep your account open?

Program owners can you tell me the wisdom in this?
You spend all of this money to acquire a webmaster and you want to do database administration periodically?

Honestly I think youd do better with a email saying that you see here is a problem promoting the program and asking what you can do to get the webmaster to send some traffic.

Special promo material?
Different banner sizes?

I think many have lost sight of what we are doing and all caught up in Free Hosted Galleries and worthless RSS feeds.

Anybody else got a comment?

For me no wisdom in this. I agree, the program owners should interact with affiliate webmasters and learn the needs and shouldn't delete some because they sends no traffic. In frauds it's a must though :)

Do owners make webmasters lazy offering them FHGs, FHSs, RSS feeds and such easy material so traffic can be generated without a hassle in minutes. Nowadays webmasters are less interested in free content or banners in my opinion.

[gonzo]

For me no wisdom in this. I agree, the program owners should interact with affiliate webmasters and learn the needs and shouldn't delete some because they sends no traffic. In frauds it's a must though :)

Do owners make webmasters lazy offering them FHGs, FHSs, RSS feeds and such easy material so traffic can be generated without a hassle in minutes. Nowadays webmasters are less interested in free content or banners in my opinion.

I agree with everything you said including less interested in doing any work.

However if you have someone promoting you that asks for something specific chances are its worth the time to give them an odd sized banner.

[TheEnforcer]

I'd keep em in the databse and find a way to get them to send traffic again myself....

[pam]

Once. I spent about a grand building sites around this sponsor and having programming done and sales were just so-so.

They emailed to tell me my sales weren't up to snuff and asked how I promoted them. I sent them links and they never did get back to me with suggestions, just a "you've been terminated".

I told them I would talk to my attorney since by cutting me off, they were stealing the $100 a week I was making in webmaster referrals. They ignored me, so all the documentation is in the hands of my attorney.

[gonzo]

Once. I spent about a grand building sites around this sponsor and having programming done and sales were just so-so.

They emailed to tell me my sales weren't up to snuff and asked how I promoted them. I sent them links and they never did get back to me with suggestions, just a "you've been terminated".

I told them I would talk to my attorney since by cutting me off, they were stealing the $100 a week I was making in webmaster referrals. They ignored me, so all the documentation is in the hands of my attorney.

Programs stealing content.
Programs stealing traffic.
Programs stealing.

And then on the other hand I know of several programs looking for a quick sale over the past several months.

I guess screwing the webmaster and the surfer doesnt pay off as well as it used to.

[Rcourt64]

Once. I spent about a grand building sites around this sponsor and having programming done and sales were just so-so.

They emailed to tell me my sales weren't up to snuff and asked how I promoted them. I sent them links and they never did get back to me with suggestions, just a "you've been terminated".

I told them I would talk to my attorney since by cutting me off, they were stealing the $100 a week I was making in webmaster referrals. They ignored me, so all the documentation is in the hands of my attorney.

This sounds like a good story, how long ago was this "once"? Cuz it doesn't sound that old since documentation is still active.
and I"ll just take a wild guess, and say you will not offer the sponsor? :whistling





I think many have lost sight of what we are doing and all caught up in Free Hosted Galleries and worthless RSS feeds.


why worthless?

[gonzo]

This sounds like a good story, how long ago was this "once"? Cuz it doesn't sound that old since documentation is still active.
and I"ll just take a wild guess, and say you will not offer the sponsor? :whistling






why worthless?

Most sponsors dont get RSS feeds. Or they flat out dont fucking work.

[TondaB]

It still amazes me the amount of leads many programs have already in their database and they don't follow up on them.

[pam]

December, I believe, and it's a big popular live chat program that has lots of friends that I read about.

:)

This sounds like a good story, how long ago was this "once"? Cuz it doesn't sound that old since documentation is still active.
and I"ll just take a wild guess, and say you will not offer the sponsor? :whistling

[Rcourt64]

Most sponsors dont get RSS feeds. Or they flat out dont fucking work.

HUH :huh: ???

I promote 100's of RSS adult feeds from sponsors and I don't have any of these problems your referring to, "..don't work" A list from AEBN to OCcash and a shitload in between. :scratchin

Have you met this webmaster that frequents Oprano every so often called Jace? lol. This is one if his specialties, I'm surprised he hasn't commented on your reply.

[gonzo]

HUH :huh: ???

I promote 100's of RSS adult feeds from sponsors and I don't have any of these problems your referring to, "..don't work" A list from AEBN to OCcash and a shitload in between. :scratchin

Have you met this webmaster that frequents Oprano every so often called Jace? lol. This is one if his specialties, I'm surprised he hasn't commented on your reply.
You right dude.
Youve been doing this way longer than I have and them Google ad words are a scam too.
I bow to the power.

[helix]

You right dude.
Youve been doing this way longer than I have and them Google ad words are a scam too.
I bow to the power.
gonZ0 is teh n00b :yowsa: lol

[Rcourt64]

You right dude.
Youve been doing this way longer than I have and them Google ad words are a scam too.
I bow to the power.

I'm right? :huh: WTF you smokin'?
why u felt the need to throw this in the "power bowing fucking google shit ass" direction is beyond me?
I was simply being curious why you state RSS feeds being garbage in comparesion to my feeds that don't seem to have any issues.
I'm well aware you've been around the block a million more times that I would ever dream of.
So don't feel the need to having to bow down for anything there, Mr. Smart Ass Fat Boy. :mental:

[Jace]

HUH :huh: ???

I promote 100's of RSS adult feeds from sponsors and I don't have any of these problems your referring to, "..don't work" A list from AEBN to OCcash and a shitload in between. :scratchin

Have you met this webmaster that frequents Oprano every so often called Jace? lol. This is one if his specialties, I'm surprised he hasn't commented on your reply.

sorry man, I actually agree with Gonzo on this one

90% of the rss feeds are shit...they may look good, but they don't sell, which is the ultimate goal

in fact the only ones that ARE selling for me, are occash and fantasygirlrevenue, the rest are just blog fillers

give me a sec and let me post some stats....you will poop your pants

[Jace]

here ya go

this is from straight se and targeted link traffic

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/jaymancash.png

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/lootdaddy.png

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/realsexcash.png

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/starlightbucks.png

the problem here is that no program owners are willing to do the real work and run blogs themselves, and think an image and a few lines of text will sell their site....rss feeds should be run by real bloggers that know how and what sells, not program owners wanting to jump on the next trend train

[bluemoney]

Mr. Smart Ass Fat Boy. :mental:
Hey! . . . I thought I was Mr. Smart Ass Fat Boy :(

[helix]

here ya go

this is from straight se and targeted link traffic

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/jaymancash.png

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/lootdaddy.png

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/realsexcash.png

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/starlightbucks.png

the problem here is that no program owners are willing to do the real work and run blogs themselves, and think an image and a few lines of text will sell their site....rss feeds should be run by real bloggers that know how and what sells, not program owners wanting to jump on the next trend train

:bulb1: That could be a good JustJace service to offer.

[Jace]

:bulb1: That could be a good JustJace service to offer.

well, I am going to...sort of

I will be offering a blog writing service starting very soon, I have two writers hired already that have proven that they can fucking sell....in fact, one guy I hired usually makes 7-8 sales on his personal blogs for every new post

[TondaB]

sorry man, I actually agree with Gonzo on this one

90% of the rss feeds are shit...they may look good, but they don't sell, which is the ultimate goal

in fact the only ones that ARE selling for me, are occash and fantasygirlrevenue, the rest are just blog fillers

give me a sec and let me post some stats....you will poop your pants

I had this discussion a couple weeks ago with someone. Most of the feeds I see are very lame and in my opinion geared towards the sponsor themselves rather than the webmaster. Your stats below make me think that even more.

[Rcourt64]

sorry man, I actually agree with Gonzo on this one

90% of the rss feeds are shit...they may look good, but they don't sell, which is the ultimate goal

in fact the only ones that ARE selling for me, are occash and fantasygirlrevenue, the rest are just blog fillers

give me a sec and let me post some stats....you will poop your pants

That not what Slumlord Gonzo said above:
"Most sponsors dont get RSS feeds. Or they flat out dont fucking work."

I understood this as a tech RSS script problem and not a financial complaint.


...and think an image and a few lines of text will sell their site....
"uhh .....Yaa"
wasn't the linklist and the thumbGalleries pages with trade scripts looked at the same way a long time ago?
This now this is how I believe autoblog's will evolve into

So how much do you guys actually believe a "fully automated RSS Porn Blog" will produce per year?
on average chating with other Wmasters they say produce about only a few hundred bucks a year. and what happen to "Quantity not Quality"???
I mean when u start pumping these things out in the thousands. All they become are free porn surfers picture link galleries, just like yesterdays thumb nail galleries. am I incorrect here?

[Jace]

That not what Slumlord Gonzo said above:
"Most sponsors dont get RSS feeds. Or they flat out dont fucking work."

I understood this as a tech RSS script problem and not a financial complaint.


"uhh .....Yaa"
wasn't the linklist and the thumbGalleries pages with trade scripts looked at the same way a long time ago?
This now this is how I believe autoblog's will evolve into

So how much do you guys actually believe a "fully automated RSS Porn Blog" will produce per year?
on average chating with other Wmasters they say produce about only a few hundred bucks a year. and what happen to "Quantity not Quality"???
I mean when u start pumping these things out in the thousands. All they become are free porn surfers picture link galleries, just like yesterdays thumb nail galleries. am I incorrect here?

it all depends on the angel you are trying to work

I know guys running 100% all rss fed blog networks that are making $10k a month....but I also know guys that can't convert their all rss blog network for shit

it is all a big game of cat and mouse these days, which is why I stopped trying to catch that mouse a while ago and just started building mouse traps for people

[Jace]

[/I]I understood this as a tech RSS script problem and not a financial complaint.


I have honestly not come across any feeds yet that I couldn't make work...my big issue with them is the idiocy that goes into writing the blog posts and cropping pics....it is like they hired 100 little Ramos wannabes to do the work

[gonzo]

I have honestly not come across any feeds yet that I couldn't make work...my big issue with them is the idiocy that goes into writing the blog posts and cropping pics....it is like they hired 100 little Ramos wannabes to do the work
Writing a headling and your RSS feed consisting of a more link for the body isnt a working RSS feed in my book.

[spazlabz]

as a representative of a program I would like to address the original topic of this thread.
Deleting affiliate accounts.
I have deleted affiliate accounts at two different programs and there really is only one truly legitimate reason for taking this action in my humble opinion;

Violations of the TOS, and to delete with extreme prejudice if it puts our company at risk with any of our third party billers.

I will and have been known to send a 24 hour noticed to an affiliate to change whatever violation is present on their pages (for instance using words that we have deemed inappropriate on a link to our sites) and if it isn't changed the account is gone. Spammers.... immediate termination. An e mail to a bulk e mailer has no more impact then a gonzo fart in a hurricane.

I could see a program choosing to terminate the account of someone who wasn't sending many hits or any sales, but it is contrary to my personal philosophy about affiliates. i will take someone with a trickle of hits and one sale a month.... better yet, I'll gladly take a thousand of them and give them just as much attention and respect as a big time TGP or Link Lister.

I did it at SexyCityCash and I continue to do it at Royal Cash.


spaz

[Rcourt64]

as a representative of a program I would like to address the original topic of this thread.
Deleting affiliate accounts.
I have deleted affiliate accounts at two different programs and there really is only one truly legitimate reason for taking this action in my humble opinion;

Violations of the TOS, and to delete with extreme prejudice if it puts our company at risk with any of our third party billers.

I will and have been known to send a 24 hour noticed to an affiliate to change whatever violation is present on their pages (for instance using words that we have deemed inappropriate on a link to our sites) and if it isn't changed the account is gone. Spammers.... immediate termination. An e mail to a bulk e mailer has no more impact then a gonzo fart in a hurricane.

I could see a program choosing to terminate the account of someone who wasn't sending many hits or any sales, but it is contrary to my personal philosophy about affiliates. i will take someone with a trickle of hits and one sale a month.... better yet, I'll gladly take a thousand of them and give them just as much attention and respect as a big time TGP or Link Lister.

I did it at SexyCityCash and I continue to do it at Royal Cash.


spaz

Inappropriate words being..?

[Jace]

Inappropriate words being..?

well, seeing how they run a teen program, I would imagine things like child, preteen, young, etc

[pam]

My "free" sales didn't convert. It's not MY fault they can't convert the user from a free signup to a paid signup and get them to spend $3 a minute on live chat. I did my part by getting them to the site, honestly, with no bullshit.

I don't like programs that drop you if you don't send a lot of traffic or sales. Sometimes I signup for a program and don't send traffic for 6 months. It depends on what my future plans are ....

Usually I get email from the manager asking why I send no traffic, and I explain I'd like to review their sites and I'll send traffic that way, and rarely is there a problem.

[Rcourt64]

My "free" sales didn't convert. It's not MY fault they can't convert the user from a free signup to a paid signup and get them to spend $3 a minute on live chat. I did my part by getting them to the site, honestly, with no bullshit.

I don't like programs that drop you if you don't send a lot of traffic or sales. Sometimes I signup for a program and don't send traffic for 6 months. It depends on what my future plans are ....

Usually I get email from the manager asking why I send no traffic, and I explain I'd like to review their sites and I'll send traffic that way, and rarely is there a problem.

I've heard a few Wmasters comment of your specific sponsor closing accounts with really stupid excuses like not maintaining specific sales percentage, and other lame reasons. I don't make to many sales to them from webmaster promotion side, but I know I make them pretty pennies from the camming side, maybe thats why they don't tell me they're closing my webmaster account.

I myself have never had any adult sponsor close my account, only a mainstream sponsor emailed me once to say they where closing my account, but that got resolved.

[Jace]

I've heard a few Wmasters comment of your specific sponsor closing accounts with really stupid excuses like not maintaining specific sales percentage, and other lame reasons. I don't make to many sales to them from webmaster promotion side, but I know I make them pretty pennies from the camming side, maybe thats why they don't tell me they're closing my webmaster account.

I myself have never had any adult sponsor close my account, only a mainstream sponsor emailed me once to say they where closing my account, but that got resolved.

mainstream will do it all the time, adult sponsors are very lenient IMO...I have had at least 20 mainstream sponsors close my accounts

cj.com is HUGE about closing accounts

[Rcourt64]

mainstream will do it all the time, adult sponsors are very lenient IMO...I have had at least 20 mainstream sponsors close my accounts

cj.com is HUGE about closing accounts

hell ya mainstream sponsors can be hard asses. Not at all like alot of adult sponsors that let any WebTV homepage maker join.

"...just like me :clapping0"

[Jace]

Writing a headling and your RSS feed consisting of a more link for the body isnt a working RSS feed in my book.

see, it isn't even that really...I can even make a single line of text and a thumb work better than I can make these 2 paragraph long rambling blog posts from a non-blog writer

here is a hint for sponsors...when you have someone writing your blog posts, make sure it is someone that personally runs blog and knows how to write for a blog.....

like this:
http://www.adailyfix.com/index.php/2007/05/06/valeria-will-fuck-any-man-but-she-can-also-fuck-herself/

4 PARAGRAPHS ON A GIRL PLAYING WITH A DILDO??!?!?!?! wtf! haha
no sales from that post either

now, here is one written by my writer:
http://www.adailyfix.com/index.php/2007/04/20/flying-titties-party-sluts-hot-threesomes-and-huge-asses/
5 sales from that since I posted it

writing isn't just about typing some words out.....the reader can see the pics and see the action that is going on, give them more than a description of what they already see, expand their mind

whew....damn rambling...sorry

[gonzo]

see, it isn't even that really...I can even make a single line of text and a thumb work better than I can make these 2 paragraph long rambling blog posts from a non-blog writer

here is a hint for sponsors...when you have someone writing your blog posts, make sure it is someone that personally runs blog and knows how to write for a blog.....

like this:
http://www.adailyfix.com/index.php/2007/05/06/valeria-will-fuck-any-man-but-she-can-also-fuck-herself/

4 PARAGRAPHS ON A GIRL PLAYING WITH A DILDO??!?!?!?! wtf! haha
no sales from that post either

now, here is one written by my writer:
http://www.adailyfix.com/index.php/2007/04/20/flying-titties-party-sluts-hot-threesomes-and-huge-asses/
5 sales from that since I posted it

writing isn't just about typing some words out.....the reader can see the pics and see the action that is going on, give them more than a description of what they already see, expand their mind

whew....damn rambling...sorry

You guys have just been handed a gift. Use it wisely.

[Rcourt64]

see, it isn't even that really...I can even make a single line of text and a thumb work better than I can make these 2 paragraph long rambling blog posts from a non-blog writer

here is a hint for sponsors...when you have someone writing your blog posts, make sure it is someone that personally runs blog and knows how to write for a blog.....

like this:
http://www.adailyfix.com/index.php/2007/05/06/valeria-will-fuck-any-man-but-she-can-also-fuck-herself/

4 PARAGRAPHS ON A GIRL PLAYING WITH A DILDO??!?!?!?! wtf! haha
no sales from that post either

now, here is one written by my writer:
http://www.adailyfix.com/index.php/2007/04/20/flying-titties-party-sluts-hot-threesomes-and-huge-asses/
5 sales from that since I posted it

writing isn't just about typing some words out.....the reader can see the pics and see the action that is going on, give them more than a description of what they already see, expand their mind

whew....damn rambling...sorry
Dang, you got some awesome shit goin on over there I see thru your sig :blink: Whats RSS dish? ...dunno what it is, but it sounds cool. So I want some. :yowsa:

[Jace]

Dang, you got some awesome shit goin on over there I see thru your sig :blink: Whats RSS dish? ...dunno what it is, but it sounds cool. So I want some. :yowsa:


it is a rss platform for affiliate programs

so, if some sponsor wants to get rss feeds going and has nats, it is a piece of software that allows them to publish rss feeds for their affiliates and have it interact with NATS

top level shit man!!! haha

[willwank]

here ya go

this is from straight se and targeted link traffic

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/jaymancash.png

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/lootdaddy.png

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/realsexcash.png

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/stats/starlightbucks.png

the problem here is that no program owners are willing to do the real work and run blogs themselves, and think an image and a few lines of text will sell their site....rss feeds should be run by real bloggers that know how and what sells, not program owners wanting to jump on the next trend train

A tad OT. How roughly are you doing with Real Sex Cash? My stats with them was ultra useless so i killed it.

[Jace]

A tad OT. How roughly are you doing with Real Sex Cash? My stats with them was ultra useless so i killed it.

oh shit, never should have left them off, by far the worst of the bunch

http://www.justjace.com/tmp/realsexcash.png

[Owen22]

Gonzo, you can be an affiliate of mine. I promise I wont delete you. :yowsa:

- Honestly a very informative thread.

Jace - just wondering - how many writters do you employ?

[gonzo]

Gonzo, you can be an affiliate of mine. I promise I wont delete you. :yowsa:

- Honestly a very informative thread.

Jace - just wondering - how many writters do you employ?
Actually Owen. I have had success with selling suppliments as my sister used to have up a herbal site way before people were selling dick pills.

She did quite well with it but was way ahead of her time.

[spazlabz]

well, seeing how they run a teen program, I would imagine things like child, preteen, young, etc
Correct-amundo!
from our TOS/FAQ

Are there any methods I can`t use to promote the sites?

Yes, there are. For obvious reasons our affiliates are restricted from using any of the following methods to send traffic to our sites; *Unsolicated Bulk E mails (not opt-in lists) *Links that indicate the pressence of underage models using words like `lolita`, `pre-teen` or `XX girls` where XX is an age under the age of 18. *Blatantly fraudulent or misrepresentative wording, phrases images or graphics There may of course be other things that we are unable to foresee and if this is the case we will try to contact the affiliate in question to resolve the issue as quickly as possible

we just cannot mess around with that type of advertising nor do we wish to tolerate it :)

spaz