"Lolita" in URLs and metatags?

[Peaches]

I see a couple of some pretty big adult names accepting traffic from URLs with "lolita" in them and one of them owns the URLs.

What is the general thought on this? I guess I'm a prude because I consider it taboo.

[gonzo]

I see a couple of some pretty big adult names accepting traffic from URLs with "lolita" in them and one of them owns the URLs.

What is the general thought on this? I guess I'm a prude because I consider it taboo.
:thumbdown
Its not anything Id do.
But then I guess can afford better ethics.

Got any examples? Anybody we know?

[Peaches]

:thumbdown
Its not anything Id do.
But then I guess can afford better ethics.

Got any examples? Anybody we know?
Several examples and yes, someone we know well owns the URLs. Sadly one of the owners is sending the hits to his (or his partner's?) sites and also sending it to another large company. I guess it's more accepted than I thought :(

[gonzo]

Several examples and yes, someone we know well owns the URLs. Sadly one of the owners is sending the hits to his (or his partner's?) sites and also sending it to another large company. I guess it's more accepted than I thought :(

Hit Laundering with lolita stuff?

I know when we were working on PornMo we had to shut down all the trades from outside becuase off all of those fuckers using lotlita sites as salt licks to wash trades. They were pretty sophisticated how they did it too. I spent all weekend killing the it off before we just turned off non trusted trades.

Id guess thats what is happening here on some level.
That stuff is what gives us all a bad name.

[spazlabz]

I remember back when the term lolita was a perfectly acceptible term used a lot in the teen niche. I am sure a lot of people here remember that as well.

not as damned thing wrong with it provided;
1) all the models are of legal age with docs on file
2) the site sending you traffic does not also send traffic to illegal sites
3) you dont link back

I am sure those arent any kind of legal standards there, but pretty much common sence, but thw witch hunt is bullshit


spaz

[Peaches]

I am sure those arent any kind of legal standards there, but pretty much common sence, but thw witch hunt is bullshit


spaz
I guess I just always thought even USING the word "lolita" to send surfers to teen sites or "taboo" type stories sites was just morally wrong and gave the feds a reason to point at us. I'm old fashioned it seems :unsure:

[gonzo]

I remember back when the term lolita was a perfectly acceptible term used a lot in the teen niche. I am sure a lot of people here remember that as well.

not as damned thing wrong with it provided;
1) all the models are of legal age with docs on file
2) the site sending you traffic does not also send traffic to illegal sites
3) you dont link back

I am sure those arent any kind of legal standards there, but pretty much common sence, but thw witch hunt is bullshit


spaz

It violates my "pigtail" rule.
If it smells like a pig/animal or wears pigtails ... I tend to avoid it.
Yes I have sent teen traffic but not anything that was lolitaish.
Just not wise -- at least in my book.
Washing traffic that way is pretty lame. A last gasp of despiration.

[Hammer]

Personally I think the whole thing is ridiculous because the word lolita came from a book about a girl named Lolita, so really it's just a word that some people decided to start using instead of 'young girls'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita

Stanley Kubrick made an excellent film called Lolita based on the book. http://www.filmsite.org/loli.html

As far as I know there is no 'legal' issue with using the word lolita, it's only an advertising problem because sites like Google will not allow the use of the word. Now the really funny part when you think about it is this. Suppose you were a book seller or selling vintage videos and wanted to market the Kubrick film or Nabokov's book. How would you do that if the word 'lolita' is banned?

What will everyone do if some day we start using the word 'butterfly' to describe a young teen and Google bans that word?

[Peaches]

Personally I think the whole thing is ridiculous because the word lolita came from a book about a girl named Lolita, so really it's just a word that some people decided to start using instead of 'young girls'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita
From your link: The term lolita has come to be used to refer to an adolescent girl considered to be very seductive, especially one younger than the age of consent. In the marketing of pornography, it is used to refer to any attractive woman who has only recently reached, or is still younger than, the age of consent, or sometimes to refer to women who only appear to be younger than the age of consent.
Gray area, perhaps, but again - getting close to the line does nothing but bring the business more negative attention.

[spazlabz]

I guess I just always thought even USING the word "lolita" to send surfers to teen sites or "taboo" type stories sites was just morally wrong and gave the feds a reason to point at us. I'm old fashioned it seems :unsure:
old fashioned? I doubt it. Where i think I differ from most on this subject is for me as long as there is no one under the age of 18 being exploited then it is just marketing... it may be marketting to the lowest common denominator, buts it's marketing and legal. my biggest concern really is what word is next? how much text will they or even ourselves censor away until our entire industry is one big bland conglomeration of hard plastic tits, over inflated colagen injected lips tattooed skanks?

Freedom to make sales within the legal boundaries as they exist right now... thats what I want. Kids are protected and pedophiles are punished.. they might be punished harshly enough but thats an entirely different discussion.

spaz

[Peaches]

And these sites are being pointed to porn sites, not Kubrick sites ;)

[Peaches]

old fashioned? I doubt it. Where i think I differ from most on this subject is for me as long as there is no one under the age of 18 being exploited then it is just marketing... it may be marketting to the lowest common denominator, buts it's marketing and legal. my biggest concern really is what word is next? how much text will they or even ourselves censor away until our entire industry is one big bland conglomeration of hard plastic tits, over inflated colagen injected lips tattooed skanks?

Freedom to make sales within the legal boundaries as they exist right now... thats what I want. Kids are protected and pedophiles are punished.. they might be punished harshly enough but thats an entirely different discussion.

spaz

I know for a fact many programs will not accept a URL or metatag with "lolita" in it. Again, it's just like a "FUCK YOU" sign to the government to get that close to the edge of the envelope.

[Hammer]

And these sites are being pointed to porn sites, not Kubrick sites ;)
True, but like I said, what will happen when we start using other innocuous words to describe illegal sex and Google bans those words?

[Peaches]

True, but like I said, what will happen when we start using other innocuous words to describe illegal sex and Google bans those words?

So what about the word "preteen"?

[Hammer]

So what about the word "preteen"?
Nothing innocuous about that word, it accurately describes a 12 year old and should be banned. My point is that 'lolita' is a girls name. It is also a famous book and a famous movie. But now, thanks to the fact that Google and others decided to ban the word because of it's slang meaning, that completely innocent word has now become a bad word when linked to a porn site and that's all.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lolita&btnG=Google+Search

Show me one link on that page that goes to a porn site.

[spazlabz]

I get too emotional about this issue
Hammer you are correct in your views as far as I am concerned


and I will avoid saying more about this issue before I start to tell everyone what I really think of the direction this industry is headed


spaz

[TheEnforcer]

It is one of those "grey areas" of the business that moreso is a morality issue than a legal one, though it's possible that could someday change. I personally wouldn't use that url or want traffic from a site with it in the tags or url.

That said, I can see spaz and Hammer's points though they wouldn't sway me to change my position.

[Peaches]

IMHO, it's the porn industry that's sullied the word "lolita", not the general public or Google.

[spazlabz]

IMHO, it's the porn industry that's sullied the word "lolita", not the general public or Google.
wrong.. it is the people who crave cp who have sullied the word lolita, not our legitimate industry


spaz

[gonzo]

IMHO, it's the porn industry that's sullied the word "lolita", not the general public or Google.
...."eat alone".

[Peaches]

wrong.. it is the people who crave cp who have sullied the word lolita, not our legitimate industry


spaz
True, the real pedo porn sites sullied it, but the legitimate people of our industry jumped on it as soon as they saw the word could bring in more sales to their teen sites. If it didn't work, they wouldn't use it.

[spazlabz]

True, the real pedo porn sites sullied it, but the legitimate people of our industry jumped on it as soon as they saw the word could bring in more sales to their teen sites. If it didn't work, they wouldn't use it.
hell yes, that word used to be a goldmine, made people i know personally richer then i will ever be... the word has dropped out of favor certainly and no one i know actually will touch it... even me i am ashamed to say, but you will never hear me critisizing someone who uses it to promote legal content because while i may personally consider it unwise to do so (none of the Royal Cash sites uses that word) I think the first amendment protects that speech and it is their right to use it to market legal sites.


spaz

[sarettah]

it's only an advertising problem because sites like Google will not allow the use of the word.


Google banned it? hmm.. http://www.google.com/search?q=lolita&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&start=0&sa=N Appears they missed about 35,100,000 occurences of it.

They haven't even banned pr*t**n as regards to adult sites.

[sarettah]

Whether it was those who surf for c*p that sullied it or the industry that sullied it doesn't matter.

If you use that type of term as a keyword, in text, in advertising, you are generally attempting to attract that type of clientele to your website.

So, even though you are not marketing c*p, you are in effect attempting to fool those who seek c*p into coming to your site thinking they will find c*p.

I stopped doing teen galleries when it became overwhelmingly apparent that a major advertising gimic on many of the teen sites was to make the content look as young as possible. In my mind, catering to that clientele, either with the real product or with a product that, albight it may be legal, appeals to the exact same mindset, are basically six of one, half a dozen of the other.

So, while it may be legal, I will not associate myself with either the terms or sites that use the terms or that advertising approach.

[Peaches]

So, while it may be legal, I will not associate myself with either the terms or sites that use the terms or that advertising approach.
My feelings exactly.

[Hammer]

Google banned it? hmm.. http://www.google.com/search?q=lolita&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&start=0&sa=N Appears they missed about 35,100,000 occurences of it.

They haven't even banned pr*t**n as regards to adult sites.
I was referring to paid advertising.

[bluemoney]

. . . . But now, thanks to the fact that Google and others decided to ban the word because of it's slang meaning, that completely innocent word has now become a bad word when linked to a porn site and that's all.
I guess Strangelove is next to go.

[Hell Puppy]

Not something I'd touch.

I generally ban the term in anything I have that lets users submit urls or descriptions.

[gonzo]

Not something I'd touch.

I generally ban the term in anything I have that lets users submit urls or descriptions.
Peaches says some scumbag is using pedo domains to divert traffic to other sites. An old hit laundering scheme.

[gonzo]

Ahhh I think Ive found what Peaches was talking about ..... (http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=654949&page=10&highlight=lolita)

If you do a reverse DNS look up you find that all of this names are hanging together.... click thru some of the questionable ones and youll see that the names are being used to divert traffic to paysites. "Mighty" interesting indeed.

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[Hammer]

Cheaters Never Win

[gonzo]

Cheaters Never Win

PEDOS EAT ALONE

[Hammer]

What click comes after 11?

[Peaches]

What click comes after 11?

2. 12clicks.com ? :whistling

[Hammer]

2. 12clicks.com ? :whistling
You just won a fabulous washer and dryer combo from Westinghouse.

[Peaches]

You just won a fabulous washer and dryer combo from Westinghouse.
Delivered??!! :) :) :) :) :)

[Hammer]

Delivered??!! :) :) :) :) :)
Yes, but you must pay the shipping charges. I believe they are more than the actual washer and dryer cost though.

[Forest]

Cheaters Never Win

LOL

yeah right

unfortunatly I know MANY that are living high on the hog from all the cheating they did

[gonzo]

LOL

yeah right

unfortunatly I know MANY that are living high on the hog from all the cheating they did
ANd we are seeing several of them come out of "retirement" as well.

[Hammer]

LOL

yeah right

unfortunatly I know MANY that are living high on the hog from all the cheating they did
I take it you haven't seen http://www.12clicks.com.

[Forest]

I take it you haven't seen http://www.12clicks.com.

i wasnt talking about 12clicks

i dont know him or any of his business practices. Only rumor and what has been posted on boards

BUT

If you go back to the origin of the adult online industry there are MANY people who made 10's of millions of dollars scamming surfers and or wm's

[Hammer]

i wasnt talking about 12clicks

i dont know him or any of his business practices. Only rumor and what has been posted on boards

BUT

If you go back to the origin of the adult online industry there are MANY people who made 10's of millions of dollars scamming surfers and or wm's
Dude, look at 12clicks site. I simply quoted the only words that appear on the page, I wasn't stating my personal opinion.

[edward]

one thing i never understood is why google and the other SE's dont blacklist cp keywords so they return no results and issue a warning to the person making the search... no warning of consequence, just something to make someone think about what they are doing...

[Peaches]

one thing i never understood is why google and the other SE's dont blacklist cp keywords so they return no results and issue a warning to the person making the search... no warning of consequence, just something to make someone think about what they are doing...
Here's my take on it - Mojo defended their actions on JBM. AFTER he had stopped sending the traffic to sex URLs. I told him via ICQ that if he thought he wasn't doing anything wrong, why did he change it? I also gave them my address so they could sue me for defamation :)