$350 for acting in a porn flick?

[Greg B]

I just got an email from some guy looking for actors and actresses to star in porn flicks. The pay was a measily $350 per 'episode'.

WTF? You mean people work for that cheap? What about royalties?

[Jace]

for a guy $350 is killer money, barely any guys get that in the industry

for a girl, $350 is VERY low...my wife used to get that just for a handjob

right now if we were to go back to porn valley my wife could get about $1500 per scene

[Jace]

oh, and there are VERY rarely royalties in porn...VERY rarely, like 0.001% of the time someone will offer royalties, and those that offer that never amount to anything and don't sell shit...LOL

fact is, porn dvd's don't sell enough to really offer any royalties, and how would you offer royalties on a internet scene? by download? by site profit? how would you measure you videos popularity over anothers?

[Greg B]

oh, and there are VERY rarely royalties in porn...VERY rarely, like 0.001% of the time someone will offer royalties, and those that offer that never amount to anything and don't sell shit...LOL

fact is, porn dvd's don't sell enough to really offer any royalties, and how would you offer royalties on a internet scene? by download? by site profit? how would you measure you videos popularity over anothers?

That's piss pitiful money for letting millions see your performance.

I thought the top actors made 6 figures easy.

[Jace]

That's piss pitiful money for letting millions see your performance.

I thought the top actors made 6 figures easy.

6 figures per year or per scene?

6 figures per year is easy as a female performer...hell, when my wife and I first started we made upwards of $120k in 4 months or so

you have to figure a hard working porn girl makes $1500 a scene and if she puses herself works 2-4 times a week....average 3

that is over $200k a year easy

most girls blow their money VERY fast though...but if you are hot, do a good scene and show up to work with a nice attitude, you can live a nice life fucking on camera

guys are WAY diffferent.....here is a little tidbit for you...you know when you see porn and see a guy blow his load and dribbles out? that isn't because the guy sucks, that is usually because the guys get such low pay that they have to do 2-3 scenes a day sometimes if they can squeeze it in...so, you may have just seen that guys 3rd scene for the day and he is all tapped out...cause when you only make $150-250 a scene, you have to work 5 times as hard as the girls to make decent money

there are a few guys raking in the dough though...some of the more solid performers can get upwards of $600-800 per scene...but they are solid, cute guys that can always get rock hard, cum on cue and never fuck up a scene

[Jace]

and oh yeah.....letting people see our "performance" wasn't any deciding factor in it all

our performance is just sex...and sex isn't this big taboo thing for us...if we were allowed we wouold have sex in on the benches in the mall...it just isn't anything really, just a nice fun act that feels great.

nudity is nothing to us, so the chance to get paid for fucking on camera was a kickass opportunity...hell, we had sex in front of friends for years before we did porn, so why not get upwards of $2000 to do the same exact thing?

[Greg B]

Ja, I know.

That's why a performer is best if they know how to run their own sites. That way they get the lion's share of the dough instead.

I have webmasters ask me to do toon sites for them every freakin' day. The large magazines also. I don't because I didn't have the time and why do it for other people when I can make the dough myself and offer an affiliate program instead?

One thing about toon performers, you don't gotta pay em'.

[Lawrence Connor]

yep, it's that little

[Jace]

Ja, I know.

That's why a performer is best if they know how to run their own sites. That way they get the lion's share of the dough instead.

actually, starting your own site as a performaer is a horrible idea unless you have the backing from a major studio or net company....the solo girl market is so flooded these days, harder and harder to make a buck, very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner

porn sucks

[Greg B]

actually, starting your own site as a performaer is a horrible idea unless you have the backing from a major studio or net company....the solo girl market is so flooded these days, harder and harder to make a buck, very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner

porn sucks

I disagree to a degree. Depends on the talent, personality, niche, expression. Some models/actors can hold their own because they know what they're doing and they stand out. It's few but still you only need 1,000 members a month recurring to make decent enough dough to set aside. If you're a greedy bastard who wants yachts and shit then you deserve to fall off.

I run a one man operation, did it part, part time and still made more dough than most. My overhead is minimal because I only pay one person, the hosting company. I live a rough life you wouldn't believe and if I told you, you'ld flee for the hills. I can now take time off and just have fun focusing on the sites more.

You're smart. You know what you're doing. You probably don't need a major studio to back you up. I've seen the cookie cutter sites out there that just don't have any pizzazz.

I see the same thing in the video game industry. We design these characters and games and some make it, some don't. It depends on the talent, niche, personality.

[Greg B]

Oh, I've never found it hard to make a buck, only hard to make the time to make a buck.

One of these days the adult actors should form a union?

[softball]

"very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner"

This is like deja vu all over again. I have been hearing this mantra for years and it just isn't true.

[Hell Puppy]

The irony is the guys make nothing, but it's tougher to find a reliable stunt cock than it is to find girls. Most cocks have stage fright and/or shoot too quick or cant shoot on queue at all.

[Greg B]

The irony is the guys make nothing, but it's tougher to find a reliable stunt cock than it is to find girls. Most cocks have stage fright and/or shoot too quick or cant shoot on queue at all.

That's just nature. Human males aren't supposed to be spending hours having sex. It leaves them open to predators. So the extended sex we have is due primarily to building better shelters from predators.

Turning it on and off is a matter of conditioning.

[HellHouse]

oh, and there are VERY rarely royalties in porn...VERY rarely, like 0.001% of the time someone will offer royalties, and those that offer that never amount to anything and don't sell shit...LOL

fact is, porn dvd's don't sell enough to really offer any royalties, and how would you offer royalties on a internet scene? by download? by site profit? how would you measure you videos popularity over anothers?

Not to mention that the porn industry does not have organizations like ASCAP, BMI, Harry Fox, etc to monitor and administrate royalty and publishing payments. I've actually been working with a few influential people lately, discussing the possibility of establishing such an organization for our industry. Anyone else think it'd be a good idea? It's way too hard for distributors, broadcasters, etc to fake statistics and we have no 3rd party to monitor them.


That's piss pitiful money for letting millions see your performance.
Not many porn movies are seen by a million people. Most aren't even seen by a hundred thousand people. In case you didn't notice, there's alot of porn movies out there and most of them don't sell more than 3,000-10,000 copies in their entire shelf life. $350 IS decent for a guy, it's even not that bad for a female if she's brand new and the scene is really short or something.

Oh and please don't encourage unions. All that would do is make the best performers earn less in order to 'carry' the newbies and it would create a mandatory 'bottom line' minimum for even the shittiest of performers.

Pay should be directly negotiated by the people involved, based on the facts and abilities presented, not a fucking union representative.

[Jace]

most of them don't sell more than 3,000-10,000 copies in their entire shelf life

I have a buddy that is a producer for one of the largest porn companies in the world....he has informed me over and over again that if you are able to sell 7500-10000 movies on the shelf that you are doing better than 95% of the movies out there

3000-4000 is about average from what I understand

[Jace]

"very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner"

This is like deja vu all over again. I have been hearing this mantra for years and it just isn't true.

i don't know man, the porn star site market is SO flooded, and has been for years, it is REALLY hard to make it without someone in your corner knowing what the fuck to do and how to do it

I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it

[HellHouse]

Jace you're right. Everyone i know, including myself, considers 5000 sold to be the porn industry equivelent of a 'gold record'

[softball]

i don't know man, the porn star site market is SO flooded, and has been for years, it is REALLY hard to make it without someone in your corner knowing what the fuck to do and how to do it

I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it
The market is flooded for sure. But so is the hamburger market and there is still room for independants. If a girl has a USP that is in demand, she can still do well. With a few hundred members and a web cam, she can make a good living.
The girls that fail, I think, are the cookie cutter sites. They all look the same and think because they are beautiful, they will sell. It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex.

[Peaches]

And I've been doing it for free all these years............:hmm:

[gonzo]

The market is flooded for sure. But so is the hamburger market and there is still room for independants. If a girl has a USP that is in demand, she can still do well. With a few hundred members and a web cam, she can make a good living.
The girls that fail, I think, are the cookie cutter sites. They all look the same and think because they are beautiful, they will sell. It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex.

Congrats youve just earned a

:-pearl:

[Greg B]

i don't know man, the porn star site market is SO flooded, and has been for years, it is REALLY hard to make it without someone in your corner knowing what the fuck to do and how to do it

I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it

It really depends on the personality of the actor. How well their site is laid out and of course processing support. word of email is fast. A hot site really doesn't need to advertise cause one mug will tell another and another. Some sites don't even need to be hardcore to do well.

I don't know how corporate this site is but 'Wifey's World' is very popular. It's got it's main star and her boyfriend/husband and she does the same thing in each clip. If she runs the site she should be doing well considering how popular it is.

Remember when Bang Bus started? People actually thought it was real. We laughed our asses off because we knew it was a gag. It was unique, had good performances and funnier than shit. Word of mouth shot that site and company through the roof.

I do toons. I've had umpteen gillion toonists come to me, we set up a site for them and they fell off. They had tons of traffic, great looking art but they didn't know wtf the surfer was looking for.

With almost a billion people on the web, the statistics are that probably 100 million have enough money to actually buy shit. A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well! 1,000 members at 10-20 bucks a month is more than enough to get by on unless you're a junkie or degenerate gambler or have child payments/alimony.

Depending on your overhead that is. Add to that affiliates and you can do extremely well if you have charm and charisma.

I'm finishing up my second affiliate program. I know right off the bat I only need ten pro level webmasters to put me over the top. Why? Because I know they know wtf they're doing. I'd rather have ten kick ass guys than 1,000 bullshitters who are only sending circle jerk traffic.

Jace, you're well respected so I ain't gonna argue here, yet you know as well as I do some people have it and some don't.

[gonzo]

Greg we dont mind business debate here. Its good for us all.

As far as your toon site.

In the words of Andy Dunn ..... TEST TEST TEST your traffic.

[softball]

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

[gonzo]

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

[Jace]

It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex.

100% totally agree

[Jace]

Jace, you're well respected so I ain't gonna argue here, yet you know as well as I do some people have it and some don't.

rehetorical hit it on the head in the above post

you can be a vanilla porn girl all day long, but if you aren't interesting you won't go far

problem is, most porn girls aren't interesting...and when a porn girl is only in it for the money the members/buyers can tell, and she will not go far

which is why I personally always think it is in a girls best interest to find someone who has a proven track record of launching successful solo sites to come in and work with her, which is where my statement about having a good backer comes in....I didn't really mean backer in terms of money, it was more about experience

I will tell you this though, I do know a lot of porn girls personally, and I share ideas and info with them, and fact is, whether people believe it or not, if a porn star is running a site all on her own then it is a HUGE success if that girl has over 150 members

in fact, out of the 10-18 porn girls I know and chat with, I can count on one hand the girls that have over 150 members, and only one of those has over 250 members....girls, sponsors and webmaster ALWAYS lie about what they make and how many members they have

[gonzo]

100% totally agree

http://www.oprano.com/pearls.html

[Jace]

A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!

wow man....1000 members???? jesus....

I know established solo girl sites that never broke 500....i know a few sites out there that everyone thinks are gold mines that never broke 500 members

[Jace]

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

jesus, if only it was that easy

if people were smart they would build up a solid traffic network before they even started working on a paysite

so many site owners think if they throw up a paysite and open an affiliate program, people will instantly come and push that site....hahahahaha

here is some reality for those people....I have been working with nscash for 3 years now....I bring people into the program in hopes that they will push my wife's site. In the past 3 years I have referred 56 new webmasters into nscash...now take a guess how much money those 56 webmaster are making?

an average of $900 a month

that is a typical affiliate these days, the market is so flooded in every niche that affiliate programs are finding it harder and harder to bring in new ACTIVE affiliates...even if you get the affiliate signed up, chances of them sending any traffic are pretty small

the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything more than spare change to buy pizza with

this is for new sites mind you, established programs already have that affiliate base, so it is a lot easier

this is also just my opinion though, and like assholes, we all have one

[Greg B]

Greg we dont mind business debate here. Its good for us all.

As far as your toon site.

In the words of Andy Dunn ..... TEST TEST TEST your traffic.

Thanks Gonzo, you know I respect Andy. My traffic is targeted and growing. I've increased income by 15% in one month of doing it more than part time. Launched an affiliate program, increased traffic by a third and increasing each day and that's before the affiliate's gone full bore.

Believe me bro, I know what I'm doing or I wouldn't have lasted this long. I just didn't need to do it or wanted to do it full time. Now I can afford to fart around and do it full time.

[Greg B]

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

Didn't know 1,000 members was that hard to come by. I must be doing something smart. :)

If a small site is making $75-$90k gross that's not bad at all. If invested right it could put you in a range of personal wealth in a million bucks not to long down the road ( real estate ).

Yes, some people have too high expectations. I never did. I just followed one simple equation:

I have fans + My fans like tits + I draw tits good + I put drawings of tits on website + I charge money = I earn money.

Add 'more' and 'better' to any of those variable and I win out. Besides, I've met some great minds over the years in the biz who always have a hook up :)

So I shuts up and learns when need be.

[Greg B]

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

100% agreed Gonzo. We all who know you, know you know the angles to make loot and expand.

Considering the money paid out to actors it's a wonder how any of them make it. How much do the BangBros pay their models for a Bang Bus shoot? Foreign talent must work for pennies. Program gurus must be making a fortune off em'. A big program must have large overhead and I remember a pal that ran a very successful program back in the late 90's had 5,000 members. He did real good but decided to get out of the biz in the early 00's.

Some models you see on everybody's sites. Like Katja Kassin. She must be worth her weight in gold as she appears on one site after another. She must claim a high salary.

Does she have her own site? If she did would she command 1,000 members? I think so!

[gonzo]

100% agreed Gonzo. We all who know you, know you know the angles to make loot and expand.

Considering the money paid out to actors it's a wonder how any of them make it. How much do the BangBros pay their models for a Bang Bus shoot? Foreign talent must work for pennies. Program gurus must be making a fortune off em'. A big program must have large overhead and I remember a pal that ran a very successful program back in the late 90's had 5,000 members. He did real good but decided to get out of the biz in the early 00's.

Some models you see on everybody's sites. Like Katja Kassin. She must be worth her weight in gold as she appears on one site after another. She must claim a high salary.

Does she have her own site? If she did would she command 1,000 members? I think so!

There are a few programs you might look at for starlets.
NScash - Use Jace's refcode as he can get you more help that way.
Earlmillercash - If its starlet material Earl has shot it or will shoot it.
Twistyscash - Another rock solid high gloss program.

[Greg B]

wow man....1000 members???? jesus....

I know established solo girl sites that never broke 500....i know a few sites out there that everyone thinks are gold mines that never broke 500 members

I cannot figure out why a well done site shouldn't get 1,000 members at like $20 a month? Some surfers own memberships to several sites.

Considering the volume of surfers and money spent someone is raking in the dough.

What also surprises me is I see new models every week. All ages too. I'm surprised at the number of older women in their 60s appearing on sites! Popular too!

I have no idea how these models are recruited unless it's just the growing population percentage wise. What do ya say to a chick to get her to model hardcore? I guess the same you say to get em' to walk a street corner.

People love porn or it wouldn't be a multi-billion $$$ industry. As the population grows so will the business I suppose. If we dropped prices would we get more members?

Let's say a site with 150 members at $30 a month dropped it's price to $15. Would they then jump to 300 members or more? Logically it appears that it would but if you have a high overhead I guess it wouldn't be equitable.

If I dropped my price to $5 I would have 10,000 crumbsnatchers piling through. Believe you me I know as I have a niche where the memberships get that high and higher and they told me right out to drop to that price not knowing that I would probably only be able to make $1 on each sale.

[Greg B]

There are a few programs you might look at for starlets.
NScash - Use Jace's refcode as he can get you more help that way.
Earlmillercash - If its starlet material Earl has shot it or will shoot it.
Twistyscash - Another rock solid high gloss program.

Thanks Gonz but I'm not looking for models. Believe you me I could make a model with some pizzazz an assload of cash on the comic book/superheroine/cosplay market.

At our conventions, a model to a comic can sell a fucking photo with an autograph and lipstick kiss for $30 and sell 1,000 in a few hours. On a 3 day convention of note she could walk away with $60k + and not even take her clothes off but that all depends on the books she's promoting. Heck, if I do a comic book cover alternative and autograph it I can make the same. That's why if you go to the comic book conventions nowadays you'll see armies of women in costume trying to get a gig. Some just show up and charge $5 for a photo of them with you. Guys eat that shit up. Due to time however the girls who really rate only make about $500 a day unless they get tips and guys shove $10s and $20s in their utility belts all day. I mean amateur chicks in some superheroine outfit they sewed together the night before. Even the girls in high school pull this shit off and buy iPods and stuff. It's a huge surge.

One funny story is a blonde I saw at a show in Vegas. She was fiiiiiine, slim, in a Japanese Manga outfit. Dudes were all over her. She took pics, charged $10, $20 a pic and kiss allll day. She was tall too like a Nordic princess. Then me being an artist noticed around 5 pm that afternoon that her upper lip had a wee bit too much fuzz on it.

Yep, she was a he and knew I caught on. He leaned over and told me he makes crazy money doing this shit and there were several other guys who do it too. He had me cracking up about how many hits he gets from guys AND girls and even MOTHERS of attendees! He used the money to help his parents and siblings as they were going through rough times.

At the sci-fi/comic conventions hotties show up from some of the R rated flicks but only a rare few from X rated.

[gonzo]

Thanks Gonz but I'm not looking for models. Believe you me I could make a model with some pizzazz an assload of cash on the comic book/superheroine/cosplay market.

At our conventions, a model to a comic can sell a fucking photo with an autograph and lipstick kiss for $30 and sell 1,000 in a few hours. On a 3 day convention of note she could walk away with $60k + and not even take her clothes off but that all depends on the books she's promoting. Heck, if I do a comic book cover alternative and autograph it I can make the same. That's why if you go to the comic book conventions nowadays you'll see armies of women in costume trying to get a gig. Some just show up and charge $5 for a photo of them with you. Guys eat that shit up. Due to time however the girls who really rate only make about $500 a day unless they get tips and guys shove $10s and $20s in their utility belts all day. I mean amateur chicks in some superheroine outfit they sewed together the night before. Even the girls in high school pull this shit off and buy iPods and stuff. It's a huge surge.

One funny story is a blonde I saw at a show in Vegas. She was fiiiiiine, slim, in a Japanese Manga outfit. Dudes were all over her. She took pics, charged $10, $20 a pic and kiss allll day. She was tall too like a Nordic princess. Then me being an artist noticed around 5 pm that afternoon that her upper lip had a wee bit too much fuzz on it.

Yep, she was a he and knew I caught on. He leaned over and told me he makes crazy money doing this shit and there were several other guys who do it too. He had me cracking up about how many hits he gets from guys AND girls and even MOTHERS of attendees! He used the money to help his parents and siblings as they were going through rough times.

At the sci-fi/comic conventions hotties show up from some of the R rated flicks but only a rare few from X rated.

Hehehe

Thanks for the tips but Ive been aware of that market now for quite some time. We invade in 2 weeks.

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Editorial&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=274027

[Greg B]

Hehehe

Thanks for the tips but Ive been aware of that market now for quite some time. We invade in 2 weeks.

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Editorial&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=274027

Yes, I know already. My guys run the comic book industry and conventions too. I may add some caution here, if ONE just ONE minor gets into one of your seminars or gets his or her hands on any 'memorabilia' you could be in trouble. Just be cautious. I'll send some of my boys over to say howdy to you if they can get away from autographing stuff and networking.

We should hook up one day and shoot the breeze.

Now why don'tcha' tell us your real last name?

[Jace]

Now why don'tcha' tell us your real last name?
Jim “GonZo” McAnally is his real name

[gonzo]

Yes, I know already. My guys run the comic book industry and conventions too. I may add some caution here, if ONE just ONE minor gets into one of your seminars or gets his or her hands on any 'memorabilia' you could be in trouble. Just be cautious. I'll send some of my boys over to say howdy to you if they can get away from autographing stuff and networking.

We should hook up one day and shoot the breeze.

Now why don'tcha' tell us your real last name?

The likelyhood of either of those happening is slim to none.
DragonCon isnt compensating any of us to speak so I am just another attendee that is going to step out of the void a couple of hours.

Feel free to have them come on by. We are just regular folks.
My real last name is contained in that article as well as on record as the registrant of this domain.

"When you aint got nothing...you aint got nothing to hide."

[softball]

"the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything"

It has always been that way. I have been around for a long time now and just recently did an affiliate programme. Its ok, but my own marketing costs way less and earns much more. But it is travel money.
Cash programmes are not a good thing for any boutique web business. Cash programmes are good for cash programmes. I have done the numbers six ways to Sunday and they just don't make any sense. They do make sense if you are a bulk content provider which most of us are not.

[Greg B]

"the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything"

It has always been that way. I have been around for a long time now and just recently did an affiliate programme. Its ok, but my own marketing costs way less and earns much more. But it is travel money.
Cash programmes are not a good thing for any boutique web business. Cash programmes are good for cash programmes. I have done the numbers six ways to Sunday and they just don't make any sense. They do make sense if you are a bulk content provider which most of us are not.

You're right on some good points. I must be doing something right as I'm breaking sales records left and right and I haven't even started my affiliate program full swing yet. I'm just now installing the CC Bill program.

Traffic isn't always the key. A few years ago I got listed on The Hun. It was a nightmare! Gillions of hits and conversion was shitless. Just a bandwidth burner. For me, the lower the traffic the higher the sales. I'm so buried on mainstream comics stuff and other illustration stuff I didn't focus on traffic til this year. I kept away from the big traffic sites and the traffic brokers. They send traffic but it's not niche so it's worthless freeloader traffic. Traffic is either an asset or overhead. No gray area.

I'm sure I'll do far better affiliate wise as my test trial a few years ago. That was some GOOOOD money! Always came in, kept coming in, webmasters were happy.

I'll feel back to normal in a week.

I don't do content providing anymore. Only to an invitation only few who respect the work. I don't even charge em'. I do trades for traffic or computer parts or whatever barter is around. Somebody always has a cool hookup! Barter got me big hookups over the years. Don't knock it!

[annalogue]

for a girl, $350 is VERY low...my wife used to get that just for a handjob

right now if we were to go back to porn valley my wife could get about $1500 per scene
$350/scene is chintzy as hell, but plausible if we're talking about fresh girls who has no idea what she COULD be making, nor any idea what kind of money they're making for the company involved. ... Which describes just about all the girls in the alt-porn market.

[Greg B]

$350/scene is chintzy as hell, but plausible if we're talking about fresh girls who has no idea what she COULD be making, nor any idea what kind of money they're making for the company involved. ... Which describes just about all the girls in the alt-porn market.

It still baffles me that they'd work that low unless there's some benefit down the road like they appear on Bang Bus and then do a 'fan' circuit by appearing at bars and parties. I'd bet there must be a secondary market. $350, even $1,500 is like peanuts considering the widespread exposure. Don't think porn is only watched by a few. The only reason you don't hear about Bang Bus and all your other sites in popular culture like songs and tv, movies is because either the names are forbidden or the sites are competition. You'll hear them mentioned soon though for laughs. Kevin Smith's newest movie got real close.

[softball]

What don't you guys understand? It is the law of supply and demand in full cry. Getting girls to have sex is easy as pie, hence it is not valuable. It is one of your minor costs.

[Greg B]

What don't you guys understand? It is the law of supply and demand in full cry. Getting girls to have sex is easy as pie, hence it is not valuable. It is one of your minor costs.

Yeah, getting them to have sex is easy, escaping with your life is another!

I carry extra garlic, silver bullets, holy water, and that stuff you use on zombies in the video games.

They call it 'pussy' for a goooood reason:

All cats have claws.

[softball]

Yeah, getting them to have sex is easy, escaping with your life is another!

I carry extra garlic, silver bullets, holy water, and that stuff you use on zombies in the video games.

They call it 'pussy' for a goooood reason:

All cats have claws.

Keep drawing those toons. This is something you have no experience with, it appears. We are in a different business.

[Jace]

Keep drawing those toons. This is something you have no experience with, it appears. We are in a different business.

I have been thinking the same thing this whole thread

[Greg B]

Keep drawing those toons. This is something you have no experience with, it appears. We are in a different business.

Same business, different approaches and outlooks.

[softball]

Same business, different approaches and outlooks.
Wrong.

[Jace]

Same business, different approaches and outlooks.

to me it isn't the same business

my wife and I fucking on camera and selling it on a website is NOT the same business as you sketching out some big tit girl

it may both deal with naked people, but one is real life and one isn't, and THAT alone is a huge difference

[Greg B]

The likelyhood of either of those happening is slim to none.
DragonCon isnt compensating any of us to speak so I am just another attendee that is going to step out of the void a couple of hours.

Feel free to have them come on by. We are just regular folks.
My real last name is contained in that article as well as on record as the registrant of this domain.

"When you aint got nothing...you aint got nothing to hide."

Well hopefully you'll get to meet the kinfolk down there and get yourself some good down home vittles. I'm probably related to half the state.

Red Eye Gravy, Sweet Potato Pie, Corn Bread.... Gonzo you're gonna be eatin' good!

[gonzo]

Well hopefully you'll get to meet the kinfolk down there and get yourself some good down home vittles. I'm probably related to half the state.

Red Eye Gravy, Sweet Potato Pie, Corn Bread.... Gonzo you're gonna be eatin' good!

Hell thats how we eat here all the time. You realize I live here.

[Greg B]

Hell thats how we eat here all the time. You realize I live here.

Well lordy! Has your family been there for long? My kin there are Scottish and Native American. My great uncles, uncles, cousins are all sheriffs and stuff down there. They eat good!

[gonzo]

Well lordy! Has your family been there for long? My kin there are Scottish and Native American. My great uncles, uncles, cousins are all sheriffs and stuff down there. They eat good!

Im Irish and Southern. We've been in the South since 10 years prior to the civil war.

[Greg B]

Im Irish and Southern. We've been in the South since 10 years prior to the civil war.

Oh God! I thought you looked familiar! My kins' been there before there was a U.S.. I must have more cousins than anyone on earth.

Anyhow, I miss the SE. Real good food. But they gotta take the table salt out of the food and use sea salt instead. It would solve a heckuva lotta health problems.

[Jace]

Oh God! I thought you looked familiar! My kins' been there before there was a U.S.. I must have more cousins than anyone on earth.

Anyhow, I miss the SE. Real good food. But they gotta take the table salt out of the food and use sea salt instead. It would solve a heckuva lotta health problems.

i live here too and if anyone replaced my salt or butter with anything but the real deal I would slice their throat

[Greg B]

i live here too and if anyone replaced my salt or butter with anything but the real deal I would slice their throat

Yo, stay away from margarine and table salt. Ask whoever cooks what if they use that Olestra shit.

Real salt has all the vitamins and minerals and tastes way better.

Problem nowadays is the food ain't got FOOD in it.

[Jace]

Yo, stay away from margarine and table salt. Ask whoever cooks what if they use that Olestra shit.

Real salt has all the vitamins and minerals and tastes way better.

Problem nowadays is the food ain't got FOOD in it.
olestra? LOL

MAY CAUSE ANAL LEAKAGE

um...yeah...ok

you stoned or something man?

[Sabby]

$350? Why not just be an escort... with no evidence? LOL. And ummm.. yeah, charge more!

(not that I'm soliciting of course, lol)


Sabby:flash:

[Sabby]

What don't you guys understand? It is the law of supply and demand in full cry. Getting girls to have sex is easy as pie, hence it is not valuable. It is one of your minor costs.

We've seen your girls.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

We've seen your girls.


Sabby:flash:
Yeah, and I don't tank mulitple websites while "others" barely hold on by the skin of their teeth. LMFAO

[Sabby]

Yeah, and I don't tank mulitple websites while "others" barely hold on by the skin of their teeth. LMFAO

Ahhhh.. you noticed. I knew it would intrigue you. ;)

A press release will be announced. I think.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

Ahhhh.. you noticed. I knew it would intrigue you. ;)

A press release will be announced. I think.


Sabby:flash:

LOL....another sabby press release. It doesn't intrigue me at all. It interests me because I wonder how long it will take for the inevitable. I think there is a more profitable future in hair extensions or selling Amway.

[Sabby]

LOL....another sabby press release. It doesn't intrigue me at all. It interests me because I wonder how long it will take for the inevitable. I think there is a more profitable future in hair extensions or selling Amway.

I think you might be right for once :)


Sabby:flash:

[JoesHO]

you just need the right people to promote you Sabby that is all. and afiliate traffic is not the answear as many people think it is . ( self generated traffic is always better route ) but hey what do I know I am just a silly old rainman.

what happened ? are you not with Jayman any longer ?

if not that was fast .

[softball]

you just need the right people to promote you Sabby that is all. and afiliate traffic is not the answear as many people think it is . ( self generated traffic is always better route ) but hey what do I know I am just a silly old rainman.

what happened ? are you not with Jayman any longer ?

if not that was fast .
If you are a small site, you have to promote yourself. Cash programmes are the last resort. Whenever I do the numbers, they just don't make sense unless you have something very unique and saleable. It is not girls that sell, it is ideas that are valuable and put gas in your Porsche. A good gag always sells and if you have that, you don't need a cash programme.

[JoesHO]

If you are a small site, you have to promote yourself. Cash programmes are the last resort. Whenever I do the numbers, they just don't make sense unless you have something very unique and saleable. It is not girls that sell, it is ideas that are valuable and put gas in your Porsche. A good gag always sells and if you have that, you don't need a cash programme.

Have you seen our new BBW girl ?

Gonzo has a video of her on his site

www.gonzoland.com let me know if you would like to do any trades of any kind from her site to any of yours.

[softball]

Have you seen our new BBW girl ?

Gonzo has a video of her on his site

www.gonzoland.com let me know if you would like to do any trades of any kind from her site to any of yours.
I would but I just don't have that kind of traffic.

[Sabby]

If you are a small site, you have to promote yourself. Cash programmes are the last resort. Whenever I do the numbers, they just don't make sense unless you have something very unique and saleable. It is not girls that sell, it is ideas that are valuable and put gas in your Porsche. A good gag always sells and if you have that, you don't need a cash programme.

Yeah I can move my own traffic... then I get to thinking... okay... why not just promote other girls, lol.


Sabby:flash:

[Hipchick]

Hey!!!! I am from here too...Gonzo and I are practically neighbors...And I love my fried bologna :blink:





http://www.oprano.com/phpAdsNew/adview.php?what=zone:19&target=_blank&n=abf60129 (http://www.oprano.com/phpAdsNew/adclick.php?n=abf60129)

[softball]

Yeah I can move my own traffic... then I get to thinking... okay... why not just promote other girls, lol.


Sabby:flash:
Why not just promote yourself? You already have the product, just package it, get involved in a niche that suits you, do some traffic exchanges that are complementary, and run it up the flag pole. I guarantee you it will fly. Stay away from affiliate marketing until you have some serious business going on. Why sell it when you can get it for free? Otherwise you are just working for someone else and don't really have your own business.

[Toby]

Why not just promote yourself? You already have the product, just package it, get involved in a niche that suits you, do some traffic exchanges that are complementary, and run it up the flag pole. I guarantee you it will fly. Stay away from affiliate marketing until you have some serious business going on. Why sell it when you can get it for free? Otherwise you are just working for someone else and don't really have your own business.There's no rule that says you can't do both, and most do. :okthumb:

[gonzo]

There's no rule that says you can't do both, and most do. :okthumb:

Ill say it again. Its not as easy as throwing up a tour and a link to CCBill and then watch the money roll in.

[softball]

There's no rule that says you can't do both, and most do. :okthumb:
You are right. There is no rule. But there are prudent tactics for success. The first "suggestion" I would make is "Why buy traffic when you can get it for free?"
Affiliate traffic is the number one most expensive traffic you can buy. As a small business it is best to avoid it where possible. There are also way less expensive ways to get focussed traffic than affiliates. When those avenues have been explored and are producing, then it is time to consider affiliate marketing.

[JoesHO]

Yeah I can move my own traffic... then I get to thinking... okay... why not just promote other girls, lol.


Sabby:flash:


well sounds like you got it all figured out.

go get em...... :) good luck to you

if the amway/Mary K sales start to suck too always remember you can come back the milf group is a good 20 yr run .

[Toby]

You are right. There is no rule. But there are prudent tactics for success. The first "suggestion" I would make is "Why buy traffic when you can get it for free?"
Affiliate traffic is the number one most expensive traffic you can buy. As a small business it is best to avoid it where possible. There are also way less expensive ways to get focussed traffic than affiliates. When those avenues have been explored and are producing, then it is time to consider affiliate marketing.We've had this same discussion before so I'm not going rehash the same points all over again.

You talk as if using one excludes another and that's just not the case. The independent amatuers that are making the most bank are utilizing every promotional avenue available ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

[softball]

We've had this same discussion before so I'm not going rehash the same points all over again.

You talk as if using one excludes another and that's just not the case. The independent amatuers that are making the most bank are utilizing every promotional avenue available ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

You know that for sure?

[Toby]

You know that for sure?I've only been working with the amateur adult market since 1997, so maybe I don't know squat.

[softball]

I've only been working with the amateur adult market since 1997, so maybe I don't know squat.
That wasn't the question, really. I have been working in the amateur market since 1998 and I don't always know what people earn. You, I would assume, know what you make off of websites, but that was not the question. I know your history so you don't have to reiterate. However, you dodged the question.

[Toby]

That wasn't the question, really. I have been working in the amateur market since 1998 and I don't always know what people earn. You, I would assume, know what you make off of websites, but that was not the question. I know your history so you don't have to reiterate. However, you dodged the question.There are ways to evaluate the success (profitability) of a site that does not include my own affiliate sales figures or any insider information. Simply being observant over time, paying attention to lifestyle changes major purchases etc. that show up in the day to day updates on the site and in posts to boards, journals, blogs, etc.

Affiliate program promotions are always going to be the most obvious, but if you're observant you'll also see other promotional avenues being used by many of these same sites.

Are there amateur sites making big money that don't have affiliate programs? Sure there are.

Are there amateur sites making big money that do little promotion other than their affiliate program? Yes again.

Are there far more amateur sites making big money that are untilizing many promotional avenues, including an affiliate program? Yes there are.

[softball]

There are ways to evaluate the success (profitability) of a site that does not include my own affiliate sales figures or any insider information. Simply being observant over time, paying attention to lifestyle changes major purchases etc. that show up in the day to day updates on the site and in posts to boards, journals, blogs, etc.

Affiliate program promotions are always going to be the most obvious, but if you're observant you'll also see other promotional avenues being used by many of these same sites.

Are there amateur sites making big money that don't have affiliate programs? Sure there are.

Are there amateur sites making big money that do little promotion other than their affiliate program? Yes again.

Are there far more amateur sites making big money that are untilizing many promotional avenues, including an affiliate program? Yes there are.

Well, you see, Toby. This is not necessarily bad advice. However, speaking as one who has arguably more intimate knowledge of independant website marketing, my advice was for a prudent strategy that is the least expensive and easiest route to immediate success. I will say it again. Affiliate marketing is hugely expensive and unless a new website is well funded and confident of success, not necessarily the best strategy. For instance, I buy better traffic that converts like a son of a bitch from magazines and will outperform any affiliate strategy for a fraction of the price. That is a good roi. I am not poopooing affiliate options, just suggesting that in the first instance it is not always a prudent option because of the breathtaking expense involved. And, of course, there is the obvious...why pay for it when you can get it for free option.
edit: another reason not to use affiliate marketing to launch a new site is that it can lull one into thinking that this is the answer and make you less likely to do your own legwork and set up personal business relationships.

[Toby]

...another reason not to use affiliate marketing to launch a new site is that it can lull one into thinking that this is the answer and make you less likely to do your own legwork and set up personal business relationships.The first thing new sites should do, before any money is spent on promotion is use some of the "free" sources of traffic to test tours and conversions. Once the conversion ratios are acceptible, then money spent will have a far better chance of generating a nice return.

One of the biggest differences between affiliate program promotions and other paid promotional methods is the fact that affiliates aren't paid until AFTER the sale is made. Nearly all others require payment up front and you take your chances that the traffic you receive converts.

[softball]

The first thing new sites should do, before any money is spent on promotion is use some of the "free" sources of traffic to test tours and conversions. Once the conversion ratios are acceptible, then money spent will have a far better chance of generating a nice return.

One of the biggest differences between affiliate program promotions and other paid promotional methods is the fact that affiliates aren't paid until AFTER the sale is made. Nearly all others require payment up front and you take your chances that the traffic you receive converts.
That is true, but it still costs. You can pay me now or you can pay me later. The you can pay me later option is always the most costly. What I am talking about is free marketing like link exchanges. The mag advertising is a bargain, but not necessary to start. There is also no point in buying traffic that you can get for free. When you have exhausted your free sources, then it might be time to move on to an affiliate model.

[Trev]

you just need the right people to promote you Sabby that is all. Are you the right person to promote anyone/thing? With your board persona exploding and burning your ass every now and then... I think... maybe not...



and afiliate traffic is not the answear as many people think it is .
Everything comes with a spell checker these days, why in this new era do you still type like a tard... is it ffs?



( self generated traffic is always better route ) but hey what do I know I am just a silly old rainman.
Hahahahah silly and old are not any of the words I've heard/used/been led to understand you to be... cockend came up once or twice. :)

[photogregg]

wow man....1000 members???? jesus....

I know established solo girl sites that never broke 500....i know a few sites out there that everyone thinks are gold mines that never broke 500 members

Ok, my first post on Oprano in a year. Here's my view, from what's happening with my clients now:

- www.brookeskye.com did over 200 joins per day with Mayors Money and did that for over 6 months, retention is great because the girl is on her cam everytime we shoot and everyday, most of the day...the numbers are off the chain.

- www.katiekaos.com is new and doing 30-40 joins a day and she's a bitch that won't do anything, just unique content we shot and a natural redhead

we've shot other solo sites for the big players...some of these girls are cute, hot, awesome, and they just don't sell...still haven't figured it other, other than getting enough webmasters to promote them and giving them the tools to make it happen

We have 3 hotties staying at our house now shooting for pornpayouts.com that should do well. The girls are great, the content is high definition, the team include Janell who used to be with topbucks that will be promoting them. But again, even though I think all 3 girls are awesome, I bet only 1 of the 3 will get 75% of the signups...so many variables.

[softball]

Are you the right person to promote anyone/thing? With your board persona exploding and burning your ass every now and then... I think... maybe not...




Everything comes with a spell checker these days, why in this new era do you still type like a tard... is it ffs?




Hahahahah silly and old are not any of the words I've heard/used/been led to understand you to be... cockend came up once or twice. :)

Trev, you know every time I read your posts, I think of what a freeking loser you are/were. Stuck in some kind of alternate reality time warp where Coquitlam is something you aspire to. You are northern boy through and through. Too skinny to be wide (of course I mean that figuratively) but with Del Boy dreams. You ain't east end. You ain't west end. You still think Jon is a playa. Dude, you rock.
I mean this in the best possible taste, of course. Now go have a nice bowl of peas porridge ('scuse me...puddin) and a pint of that brown swill that you guys piss out regularly, and dream about the big con, and tell whenwe stories about old school successes (like: When I owned Netpond...lol). Sucks to be you.

[Trev]

Trev, you know every time I read your posts, I think of what a freeking loser you are/were. Stuck in some kind of alternate reality time warp where Coquitlam is something you aspire to. You are northern boy through and through. Too skinny to be wide (of course I mean that figuratively) but with Del Boy dreams. You ain't east end. You ain't west end. You still think Jon is a playa. Dude, you rock.
I mean this in the best possible taste, of course. Now go have a nice bowl of peas porridge ('scuse me...puddin) and a pint of that brown swill that you guys piss out regularly, and dream about the big con, and tell whenwe stories about old school successes (like: When I owned Netpond...lol). Sucks to be you.
I'm starting to think maybe Joe isn't the only person that's misinformed/retarded...


Oh well eh...

[JoesHO]

I'm starting to think maybe Joe isn't the only person that's misinformed/retarded...


Oh well eh...


hahah did Nick pay you , your normal 50 bucks to come and board whore / try you silly attacks here ?

or are you just slummin it here with the misinformed?

I notice you only come to post about me ( I feel so special now)
Thank you. you have no idea how much that helps me , I hope you keep it up

But at least have him send in the varsity crew... you B- stringers kinda suck at it actually.

[softball]

I'm starting to think maybe Joe isn't the only person that's misinformed/retarded...


Oh well eh...
That was your first mistake....thinking. Stop it now. Just spam more viagra and teeny sites and pretend its all legal and hope some of the spaghetti sticks to the fridge and you can make enough money to be as rich as....well Jon.
The happy has-been club welcomes you. Its just to the right of the country club, round back behind the kermit.