Internext Horror Story - Charles Taylor / Suitcase Pimp

[gonzo]

Saturday night seems to always have a lot of parties during these shows and this one was no exception.

So during the course of the evening I sat with Toby and Paul from Heavenlycurves.com . We were admiring the "floor show" and Paul was taking some pics.

We noticed a hot "girl next door" type. She had all the right curves hidden in this TIGHT navy jumpsuit. [Toby if Paul has those pics maybe you can get him to post them].

Anyhow we decided to go out for dinner and went up fron to wait for the car.

The Enforcer brings over this same girl and we trade contact information.

Fat Fucking Tallent!

Fast forward the the next night around midnight.
I recieve a call from the same girl. It seems that the guy with her was nothing more than a suitcase pimp. Heres her story.

He had banged her out under the auspices of "an audition" where he filmed and got a clear release and id [no money for the model] and then brought her to the convention floor.

Told her to tell everyone she was his girlfriend because we are all scum.
Parades her around and then takes her to Porno Dans PJ party.

After the party --- drugs her out drives all the way to Sarasota for a shoot that was to occur on Weds. He wanted her first shoot to be pissing on someone. In the meantime he was going to have free ass until then.

The girl has enough. Tells the guy this isnt working out and asks him to take her home.
He dumps her out at the bus stop with no cash and tells her to figure it out.

The business card I have for this guy is for
Adult Tallent management
Charles taylor
www.top-shelf-talent.com (http://www.top-shelf-talent.com)
561 352 1553

Back of the card says... "Get Paid Big $$$ Today! No Experience Necessary!"

Any models that happen to find this post I would be wary of working with this guy. I plan to follow up with the girl so far she isnt answering her cell phone to see if she made it home ok.

Charles if you find this post your welcome to make a rebuttal. However several of us observed your actions and the girl didnt ask me for a dime. So Id tend to believe her side of the story over yours.

[spazlabz]

top shelf talent huh?
but munching scum sucking fucker... if of course all this is accurate.. piece of shit jerk wad

so gonzo.. did ya tap dat ass too? LOL



spaz

[spazlabz]

NICE SITE!!
"Look maw, I can type html!!"


spaz

[Hammer]

Interesting story and I'm looking forward to the rebuttal.

[spazlabz]

this thread is useless without {tight navy blue dress} pics!


spaz

[TheEnforcer]

She was a very nice girl and I hope she was able to get home all right.

[Toby]

Always some scum bag taking advantage. :mad:

I sent Paul an ICQ. I'm not sure if he got any shots of her.

[Footman]

That just sucks. It fulfills a very bad stereotype and this dude will get his someday. What goes around comes around... always.

[Mike AI]

Thread is worthless without photos!

:whistling

[spazlabz]

Thread is worthless without photos!

:whistling

yeah... what i said

but still no pics




spaz

[Jace]

http://www.xpeeps.com/member.php?u=48849

[gonzo]

http://www.xpeeps.com/member.php?u=48849

Id set my profile to private too if I was him.

[Footman]

Id set my profile to private too if I was him.
Just checked and it is private...

[gonzo]

Its ok I busted him out on Xpeeps too.

http://www.xpeeps.com/showthread.php?t=10745

[MaskTVMaura]

It's bullshit "business" like that which gives us all a bad name... Shame, shame!

[Charles Taylor]

First and foremost I would like to thank everyone out here to address these issues.

Gonzo….good stuff….like your work. But every story has two sides to it right? So since you actually weren’t there to see everything that took place I will fill in the gaps for you in my rebuttal. Naturally since we do live in a country where you are presumed innocent until proven guilty I am glad that you are here to prejudge this entire ordeal.

I won’t be lying here either since “everyone” knows my MO and I have a truly “bad” reputation to maintain. Ask any of the producers that get talent from me I am known far and wide as a complete asshole….why would I let the legend die now?

Among other things I find talent for various companies throughout Florida and can provide references as for such. The models have to be realistic in respect to the time frame and amount of money that they will make. So let’s say a girl comes to you and asks you for a job that she has no prior experience doing, is not currently tested and has unattainable expectations about the industry in general to begin with. I just don’t waive my magic wand and instaneously jobs come pouring in that the models are interested in doing. You have to take the good ones along with the bad ones as well and examine the pros and cons accordingly.

Brief synopsis: Let’s see I met her she is currently living in as she called it the “ghetto” and her car died while she was in transit to her new abode. So she lacking on the transportation and housing fronts. She went on to say that she had tried to work with other “agencies” in South Florida but were unimpressed since they all wanted sex from her upfront. I never told her she had to sleep with me to get any job but she assumed that it was the case. She actually invited me to have sex with her. If you don’t believe me I can show you the video. I shot the other necessary content and proceeded along with my job to promote her. Took her to the Internext had her meet and greet with you all you nice folks. Took her to porno dans party and a South Florida producer (to remain nameless, why don’t you ask her about this one as well.) wanted her to give him head in the bathroom. That didn’t pan out too well either so we went back to the diplomat. Took her inebriated ass over to the Tampa area for some shoots that I had pre booked for her the next day. One of those shoots cancelled because they didn’t get approval for “her” look. She has got some interestingly placed tattoos and that was the reason for their cancellation. Then I booked her for another shoot and by that time she had totally changed her mind and wanted to go back to South Florida.

Points that I really wish to address are:
1) - I gave her drugs….No sorry believe her on that one. However she told me that she was kicked out of the navy for testing positive for cocaine so believe who you will.
2) - I left her stranded….I took her to a Greyhound bus stop after she told me she wanted to leave. I don’t run a taxi or shuttle service and after I gave $$$ to the girl the night before at the diplomat and at the PJ party for drinks and food (since she claimed she was broke) and then she changes her mind midstream her transportation issues are not my problem. I told her that I would bring her back upon completion of her shoots. If she had stayed till Wednesday and all of the shoots I booked with her had fell though I would be obligated to drive her home, as I have done with many other models before her. Now you should ask her if she had every told me that she “owed” me some money and that I could take it out of her future shoots.

I am also MALE TALENT for several websites and also have adult video credits as well. Sorry to inform you of that but that’s the bottom line. So you’re right I am “Fat Fucking Tallent!” indeed.

Yes I do meet with the female talent before I book them for any shoots and unless female talent has substantial verifiable credits I offer two types of plans for them to choose from-

a) Content
Or
b) Collateral

If you wish for me to elaborate on either of those items I will in future posts. In regards to the questions of pay and travel expenses as brought up in this thread. You must work around the technicalities of each issue. First if you haven’t read any articles lately you won’t know that currently Ray Guhn is being prosecuted in Florida for among other thing shooting adult content in the state. This is related to California v. Freeman where it is legal to shoot commercial porn in the state of California and in all other states it is not applicable. As far as travel expenses go it’s a direct violation of the Mann Act. So when you’re convicted on such charges I will come to see you in prison just to say “I told you so”. So you can take what you want from those statements above but I try to operate within the guidelines of the letter of the law. Naturally I am not a lawyer so I don’t pretend to be a know it all in regards to legal matters along those lines either.


Now you don’t do your job for free and please don’t expect me to do mine that way either. Since you have never been as you call it a “suitcase pimp” you would not know or understand why I have procedures in place for talent to actually understand what their getting themselves into. So yes I do “auditions” with some of the girls at least the ones that I will be working with in the future anyway. This is due to the fact that I want to be sure that we have some chemistry together and once again that they can actually do the job. Now everyone can fuck but some people need a little extra help in the performance department. Since we are selling images and fantasy to the consumer it would only look a tad bit better if the end product really looked good. The bottom line is I have had way too many girls waste my time before like the one you mentioned here. The others before her had said that they didn’t want to fuck the male talent that they were paired up with because as she said “he wasn’t her type” and another girl before her told me after she got to the set that she was unaware that it was “nude modeling”. So now you know why I actually do the shit I do beforehand. I would love to admit that it’s just to get laid like you all have pre assumed already. But since I too already get paid to do it this job as well why am I wasting my time fucking around and not being paid for my time either. The other reason that I meet with all talent beforehand is because I have received a few interesting photos of people over the years doing this job. Some girls don’t have cameras, current pictures or just wish to embellish on their looks. I am sure that after booking a few Rosanne Bar look a likes under the guise that they had told they were supermodels over the phone you too would do a little more research and actually meet up with prospective models before throwing them out to the content shooters. Now I am waiting for all the hypocrites to chime in and call me a scum bag who are themselves doing the exact same thing or wish they could do it as well. But I don’t expect anyone to be as honest as I am in this the adult biz.

By the way thanks for all the bad press as it has worked in all the other “suit case pimps” favor and I appreciate it wholeheartedly. Since ultimately there is no such thing as bad press.


Now go ahead and FLAME away since I could really give a rat’s ass!!!

[Hammer]

Well, that reminded me of some of LC's posts. Long and redundant. However, there are always three sides to every story. Her side, your side and the truth. I can't say that I'd lean toward believing a chick that has sex for money though.

[Charles Taylor]

Well, that reminded me of some of LC's posts. Long and redundant. However, there are always three sides to every story. Her side, your side and the truth. I can't say that I'd lean toward believing a chick that has sex for money though.

Sorry but I don’t do any of the LC style shoots and she was just starting out in the biz from what she told me. I guess you are one of the guys that tend to believe the ladies at the strip club too when they tell you there only there doing this so they can put themselves through college. I unlike LC am not here to start drama. I am in this business to do just that…BUSINESS. I just didn’t start doing this yesterday and can sleep at night knowing what I do know is the truth. Not heresy started because it was a slow news day on the boards.

[Hammer]

Sorry but I don’t do any of the LC style shoots and she was just starting out in the biz from what she told me. I guess you are one of the guys that tend to believe the ladies at the strip club too when they tell you there only there doing this so they can put themselves through college. I unlike LC am not here to start drama. I am in this business to do just that…BUSINESS. I just didn’t start doing this yesterday and can sleep at night knowing what I do know is the truth. Not heresy started because it was a slow news day on the boards.
I guess you should learn to read. I said that the post was similar to LC's style and nothing about shoots and I said I would tend to NOT lean toward believing the story from a chick that fucks for pay, which if you read it correctly is basically saying I tend to believe your version.

[gonzo]

I guess you should learn to read. I said that the post was similar to LC's style and nothing about shoots and I said I would tend to NOT lean toward believing the story from a chick that fucks for pay, which if you read it correctly is basically saying I tend to believe your version.

As I sad on xpeeps. Sure are a lot of posts from a guy that doesnt get a rats ass.

Hes already admitted he stranded her 4 hours away from home at a bus stop.

[Charles Taylor]

I guess you should learn to read. I said that the post was similar to LC's style and nothing about shoots and I said I would tend to NOT lean toward believing the story from a chick that fucks for pay, which if you read it correctly is basically saying I tend to believe your version.

Sorry Hammer....When my reading comprehension is dwindling its time for me to call it a night.....I apologize.

[softball]

I think taking her drunk to a shoot speaks volumes. Personally I will not allow anyone on drugs or drunk on my set.

[brand0n]

lol@ the bus station

[HellHouse]

It's bullshit "business" like that which gives us all a bad name... Shame, shame!

Agreed. I pointed this out on Xpeeps, but I'll say it again here: Charles' explanation sounds nice and all, but several things don't add up. It's a typical problem in this business. First, was he trying to meet her to see if she was video-worthy, or was he trying to invite her to hang out with him at multiple parties, functions, etc? His story indicates both. He tries to play it off like this was a typical meet and greet/audition and she didn't pan out, but it's quite rare, in my opinion, to take a model half a state away, to a party, to a convention, and more... just to guage her. I can usually tell within 10min if I want to work with a particular model or not. It sounds to me like he was playing a dual role here, trying to impress her with who he knows and what he could do, while also trying to 'audition' her. Secondly, I bet she didn't know that her rides were contingent on her shooting for him. He's the one who said himself this was kindof an audition, so why would she have known that he expected her to do shoots already? He claims he knew she was broke and lived in "the ghetto", so maybe he thought she wouldn't be in a financial situation where she couldn't turn down any work he offered. Maybe he thought he had a sure thing on his hands and got all bent when she said she wasn't interested and wanted to go home.

He picked her up, he took her to a party, and more. Unless he told her what kind of situation she was getting into, and what the stipulations were, she had every right to expect a ride home.

Oh and also, he displays the BPAV logo on several of his sites.

The following is from the BPAV website:

BPAV's mission is to:

Encourage responsible, ethical and professional practices in adult video production
Denounce any type of performer mistreatment resulting from a non-consensual act
Promote responsibility on the part of performers for protecting themselves and one another from sexually transmitted diseases
Help protect the image of the industry
Spread awareness of its best practices (http://www.bpav.org/bp.html) through BPAV supporters Below are the first 3 of BPAV's recommended Best Practices:
Disclosure of Acts
Producers must fully inform performers in advance of the nature of any shoot, specifying explicitly who they will be working with and the types of acts they will be performing.
Care in Types of Acts
BPAV encourages producers to avoid any situations that place performers in physical danger or lead to a performer feeling mistreated as a result of non-consent
Respect of Performers
Adult performers are the backbone of the adult entertainment industry. BPAV believes in the professional treatment of all performers on and off the set.

Sounds to me like, at the very least, he isn't practicing what he preaches.

[gonzo]

Agreed. I pointed this out on Xpeeps, but I'll say it again here: Charles' explanation sounds nice and all, but several things don't add up. It's a typical problem in this business. First, was he trying to meet her to see if she was video-worthy, or was he trying to invite her to hang out with him at multiple parties, functions, etc? His story indicates both. He tries to play it off like this was a typical meet and greet/audition and she didn't pan out, but it's quite rare, in my opinion, to take a model half a state away, to a party, to a convention, and more... just to guage her. I can usually tell within 10min if I want to work with a particular model or not. It sounds to me like he was playing a dual role here, trying to impress her with who he knows and what he could do, while also trying to 'audition' her. Secondly, I bet she didn't know that her rides were contingent on her shooting for him. He's the one who said himself this was kindof an audition, so why would she have known that he expected her to do shoots already? He claims he knew she was broke and lived in "the ghetto", so maybe he thought she wouldn't be in a financial situation where she couldn't turn down any work he offered. Maybe he thought he had a sure thing on his hands and got all bent when she said she wasn't interested and wanted to go home.

He picked her up, he took her to a party, and more. Unless he told her what kind of situation she was getting into, and what the stipulations were, she had every right to expect a ride home.

Oh and also, he displays the BPAV logo on several of his sites.

The following is from the BPAV website:

BPAV's mission is to:


Encourage responsible, ethical and professional practices in adult video production
Denounce any type of performer mistreatment resulting from a non-consensual act
Promote responsibility on the part of performers for protecting themselves and one another from sexually transmitted diseases
Help protect the image of the industry
Spread awareness of its best practices (http://www.bpav.org/bp.html) through BPAV supporters Below are the first 3 of BPAV's recommended Best Practices:

Disclosure of Acts
Producers must fully inform performers in advance of the nature of any shoot, specifying explicitly who they will be working with and the types of acts they will be performing.
Care in Types of Acts
BPAV encourages producers to avoid any situations that place performers in physical danger or lead to a performer feeling mistreated as a result of non-consent
Respect of Performers
Adult performers are the backbone of the adult entertainment industry. BPAV believes in the professional treatment of all performers on and off the set.
Sounds to me like, at the very least, he isn't practicing what he preaches.

Welcome to Oprano. Very nice first post.

[spazlabz]

Welcome to Oprano. Very nice first post.:clapping: :okthumb: agreed and welcome hell house


spaz

[Charles Taylor]

Agreed. I pointed this out on Xpeeps, but I'll say it again here: Charles' explanation sounds nice and all, but several things don't add up. It's a typical problem in this business. First, was he trying to meet her to see if she was video-worthy, or was he trying to invite her to hang out with him at multiple parties, functions, etc? His story indicates both. He tries to play it off like this was a typical meet and greet/audition and she didn't pan out, but it's quite rare, in my opinion, to take a model half a state away, to a party, to a convention, and more... just to guage her. I can usually tell within 10min if I want to work with a particular model or not. It sounds to me like he was playing a dual role here, trying to impress her with who he knows and what he could do, while also trying to 'audition' her. Secondly, I bet she didn't know that her rides were contingent on her shooting for him. He's the one who said himself this was kindof an audition, so why would she have known that he expected her to do shoots already? He claims he knew she was broke and lived in "the ghetto", so maybe he thought she wouldn't be in a financial situation where she couldn't turn down any work he offered. Maybe he thought he had a sure thing on his hands and got all bent when she said she wasn't interested and wanted to go home.

He picked her up, he took her to a party, and more. Unless he told her what kind of situation she was getting into, and what the stipulations were, she had every right to expect a ride home.


Thanks once again for trying to be another monday morning quarterback. It takes patents to stick with something and you’ve proven yours. Too bad for the model in question if she had your diligence we would not be reading about this story to begin with. So I will attempt to correct your errors. You’re a shooter not a talent procurer I would only hope within the first 10 min you would feel if the talent was worthy of shooting. Most shooters that I get talent for are the same way. I was acting in that capacity for her of finding work for her nothing more nothing less. Didn’t feel the need to impress her and if that was the case I would only look for talent during the conventions dates that lived in and around those areas as well. She wanted to meet producers and I thought DAMN A VAST MAJORITY ARE HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA RIGHT NOW. I didn’t take the model half a state away…she lives in Miami. So keep reading into it what you want. Now if you wish to contact me and be a adult about this instead of a keyboard warrior my phone number is in the initial post.

As far as your charges about BPAV...go ahead and file a compliant I would love to speak to rational person who doesn’t jump to conclusions.

[Jace]

So let’s say a girl comes to you and asks you for a job that she has no prior experience doing, is not currently tested and has unattainable expectations about the industry in general to begin with.

after working in the adult industry since 2000, and also working deep in the porn scene in LA as talent with my wife for over 2 years, you just described every single girl that walked through the doors of every single angency/managers office

[Charles Taylor]

I think taking her drunk to a shoot speaks volumes. Personally I will not allow anyone on drugs or drunk on my set.

Guess I wasn’t the only one who couldn’t read last night since her proposed shoot was more then 12 after we had made it to our destination. So once again all of the shooters that I work with as well DO NOT shoot anyone drunk or on drugs. You do know what a release is worth if someone was to do that right?

[Hammer]

Miami to Tampa is a good 250 to 300 miles so yes, it was a half a state away, easy. I drive down from Orlando every year and it's 225 miles from my house to the hotel. Miami is very near the southern tip of the state and Tampa is a little higher than the middle and on the opposite coast.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and your argument is already a little weak, but arguing over semantics when a half a state is pretty damn accurate ain't helping you look honest.

[Jace]

I will also say this...after working as talent for a long fucking time, agents are 100% the bottom of the barrell, and unfortunately I have not met one yet that hasn't taken advantage of a girl or mis-treated a girl when he hasn't gotten his way, whatever way that may be

being an agent means you are the bottom of the fucking barrell, and they don't call it bottom of the barrell for nothing, that is where all the scum is

[HellHouse]

Thanks once again for trying to be another monday morning quarterback. It takes patents to stick with something and you’ve proven yours. Too bad for the model in question if she had your diligence we would not be reading about this story to begin with. So I will attempt to correct your errors. You’re a shooter not a talent procurer I would only hope within the first 10 min you would feel if the talent was worthy of shooting. Most shooters that I get talent for are the same way. I was acting in that capacity for her of finding work for her nothing more nothing less. Didn’t feel the need to impress her and if that was the case I would only look for talent during the conventions dates that lived in and around those areas as well. She wanted to meet producers and I thought DAMN A VAST MAJORITY ARE HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA RIGHT NOW. I didn’t take the model half a state away…she lives in Miami. So keep reading into it what you want. Now if you wish to contact me and be a adult about this instead of a keyboard warrior my phone number is in the initial post.

As far as your charges about BPAV...go ahead and file a compliant I would love to speak to rational person who doesn’t jump to conclusions.

Dude, settle down, It's not like i pissed in your cheerios, i'm just pointing out how the model MIGHT have perceived the situation. Obviously her comfort and perception of the situation is not something you are concerned at all about.

And yes, I AM an agent, do your research. Just like you, I can play a dual-role too. I just do it ethically - models who work with me are presented upfront with scene descriptions covering all types of shoots we deal with, the contractual stipulations, and what kind of situations they will be expected to perform in. They also understand that the 'parent' company owns a talent agency as well as a production company and are informed of our 'farm team' methods of doing business.

Also, you said she wanted to meet producers, but why did you decide it was your job to introduce her to them if, as you said before, this was still her 'audition' stage? Your story isn't adding up.

As far as BPAV, I'm not trying to 'file a complaint' here, I'm just telling you that maybe you should understand what the BPAV's 'best practices' really mean before you claim that you support them, since you obviously do not adhere to them.

[Jace]

I can't say that I'd lean toward believing a chick that has sex for money though.
unfortunately, after the experiences we have had with agents, the same can be said for them also

so, having an agent fight with a model is like having a shaving program owner fight with scamming affiliate

[Charles Taylor]

Dude, settle down, It's not like i pissed in your cheerios, i'm just pointing out how the model MIGHT have perceived the situation. Obviously her comfort and perception of the situation is not something you are concerned at all about.

And yes, I AM an agent, do your research. Just like you, I can play a dual-role too. I just do it ethically. Also, you said she wanted to meet producers, but why did you decide it was your job to introduce her to them if, as you said before, this was still her 'audition' stage. Your story isn't adding up.

As far as BPAV, I'm not trying to 'file a complaint' here, I'm just telling you that maybe you should understand what the BPAV's 'best practices' really mean before you claim that you support them, since you obviously do not adhere to them.


She HAD finished the "audition" process....and it was a success. That was the only reason why I took her to the events. I wouldn’t take someone who didn’t want to be there to and industry event so she could get free drinks (PJ Party) and mingle with the local celebes.

I was only trying to convey the message to you...for which I cannot do since you’re in you’re word as I am in mine. Once again opinions are like assholes and everyone got 'em it is not for you to decide what your definition of BPAV rules, regs or specs are it is theirs, unless you actually work for them then you would have a shot.

[spazlabz]

unfortunately, after the experiences we have had with agents, the same can be said for them also

so, having an agent fight with a model is like having a shaving program owner fight with scamming affiliate

2 fat guys arguing over which is better...
dunkin donuts
or krusty kreme

:)


spaz

[HellHouse]

I was only trying to convey the message to you...for which I cannot do since you’re in you’re word as I am in mine. Once again opinions are like assholes and everyone got 'em it is not for you to decide what your definition of BPAV rules, regs or specs are it is theirs, unless you actually work for them then you would have a shot.
I dunno man, i think the descriptions of the 'best practices' are pretty clear. Especially when it comes to respecting and informing models.

[spazlabz]

Mr. Taylor,
what are the facts as agreed upon by all parties?
You deep stroked talent for free as an 'audition' - ok your a macdaddy because i would assume most models wouldnt spread their valueable real estate for free

you took the girl to the con and parties on your arm

she got sick of what she perceived to be your 'shit' and wanted to go home

you dumped her at bus station without verifying that she did indeed have bus fare

does that about sum up the facts as ALL parties agree to?


spaz

{edited fair to fare because I had a brainfart}
{edited again to change brianfart to brainfart because Hammer is all up in my ass about it!!} LOL

[gonzo]

Mr. Taylor,
what are the facts as agreed upon by all parties?
You deep stroked talent for free as an 'audition' - ok your a macdaddy because i would assume most models wouldnt spread their valueable real estate for free

you took the girl to the con and parties on your arm

she got sick of what she perceived to be your 'shit' and wanted to go home

you dumped her at bus station without verifying that she did indeed have bus fare

does that about sum up the facts as ALL parties agree to?


spaz

{edited fair to fare because I had a brianfart}

Id say thats about as clear cut as anyone can make it without a lot of posturing, insults and deflection.

[Hammer]

What's a 'brianfart'? Is your real name Brian? ;)

Was this model able to get into the hotel for free or did someone have to pay for her badge?

Dumping anyone at a bus station when you know they don't have any money or without verifying that they do have any money is just plain wrong, and I don't care who it is. What if she had left the bus station and started thumbing, got picked up in the boonies, raped and murdered? I'm pretty sure at that point you would have some serious legal issues, if not moral ones.

[Jace]

What's a 'brianfart'? Is your real name Brian? ;)

Was this model able to get into the hotel for free or did someone have to pay for her badge?

Dumping anyone at a bus station when you know they don't have any money or without verifying that they do have any money is just plain wrong, and I don't care who it is. What if she had left the bus station and started thumbing, got picked up in the boonies, raped and murdered? I'm pretty sure at that point you would have some serious legal issues, if not moral ones.

i think that is when the family guy cast shows up and brian farts on you

and yes, dumping someone at the bus station is just fucked up and wrong....it doesn't matter who it is.

[TheEnforcer]

Any news on whether she made it home ok?

[gonzo]

Any news on whether she made it home ok?

Number goes to voice mail

[Hammer]

Number goes to voice mail
So when she called you she was still at the bus station and you didn't go get her or find a way to get her some money? ;)

[gonzo]

So when she called you she was still at the bus station and you didn't go get her or find a way to get her some money? ;)

I offered to wire her some money. She wouldnt accept it. That wasnt her point of contacting me. She said that this guy was a psychopath. Fucked her. Told everyone she was his girlfriend and started crying when she told him otherwise.

Her intent was that I would spread the word on her behalf.

[spazlabz]

I offered to wire her some money. She wouldnt accept it. That wasnt her point of contacting me. She said that this guy was a psychopath. Fucked her. Told everyone she was his girlfriend and started crying when she told him otherwise.

Her intent was that I would spread the word on her behalf.
Thou hast accomplished thine mission thinks I :okthumb:


spaz

[Charles Taylor]

She said that this guy was a psychopath. Fucked her. Told everyone she was his girlfriend and started crying when she told him otherwise.

Oh, you’re simply a fat pathetic loser if you honestly have believed all of that. If that was the case she would have never called you in the first place because she would have been around to do so.

You sir are the biggest moron I have ever met in this industry as of yet.

[gonzo]

Oh, you’re simply a fat pathetic loser if you honestly have believed all of that. If that was the case she would have never called you in the first place because she would have been around to do so.

You sir are the biggest moron I have ever met in this industry as of yet.

Testy aint we?
You want to address everything except for the fact that you stranded this person at the bus stop knowing that she was broke.

BTW its fat losers like me that buy content and hire models. Keep showing us all your business ethics. Maybe next year I can toss you a quarter at the Greyhound station.

Whats your address? Id like to send you a mirror. And you can cut a few lines off of it later after youve taken a look.

[spazlabz]

Oh, you’re simply a fat pathetic loser if you honestly have believed all of that. If that was the case she would have never called you in the first place because she would have been around to do so.

You sir are the biggest moron I have ever met in this industry as of yet.
first... i am bigger then GonZo... he's waifer thin compared to me and i am a moron... so flawed assumption.. of course you havent actually met me yet :)

but I am glad you're back... can you address the post I made about the 'facts' please? I am curious if you agree those are the facts


spaz

[Charles Taylor]

Testy aint we?
You want to address everything except for the fact that you stranded this person at the bus stop knowing that she was broke.

BTW its fat losers like me that buy content and hire models. Keep showing us all your business ethics. Maybe next year I can toss you a quarter at the Greyhound station.

Whats your address? Id like to send you a mirror. And you can cut a few lines off of it later after youve taken a look.

And you too would be testy as well if you actually didn’t know what the situation was exactly either and had some dumb ass talking shit....Like I said I really don’t give a rats ass about your uneducated opinions...but if you feel happy to be a little kid in an elevator pressing all the buttons...congrats your mission was accomplished.

[spazlabz]

And you too would be testy as well if you actually didn’t know what the situation was exactly either and had some dumb ass talking shit....Like I said I really don’t give a rats ass about your uneducated opinions...but if you feel happy to be a little kid in an elevator pressing all the buttons...congrats your mission was accomplished.

Originally Posted by spazlabz
Mr. Taylor,
what are the facts as agreed upon by all parties?
You deep stroked talent for free as an 'audition' - ok your a macdaddy because i would assume most models wouldnt spread their valueable real estate for free

you took the girl to the con and parties on your arm

she got sick of what she perceived to be your 'shit' and wanted to go home

you dumped her at bus station without verifying that she did indeed have bus fare

does that about sum up the facts as ALL parties agree to?


spaz

in case you missed it :)


spaz

[gonzo]

And you too would be testy as well if you actually didn’t know what the situation was exactly either and had some dumb ass talking shit....Like I said I really don’t give a rats ass about your uneducated opinions...but if you feel happy to be a little kid in an elevator pressing all the buttons...congrats your mission was accomplished.

I know you left her stranded at the bus stop 4 hours away from home with out a penny.

But you dont want to talk about that do you Chuck?

[gonzo]

[/i]

in case you missed it :)


spaz

He wont answer you because theres no excuse for it.

[Charles Taylor]

Mr. Taylor,
what are the facts as agreed upon by all parties?
You deep stroked talent for free as an 'audition' - ok your a macdaddy because i would assume most models wouldnt spread their valueable real estate for free

you took the girl to the con and parties on your arm

she got sick of what she perceived to be your 'shit' and wanted to go home

you dumped her at bus station without verifying that she did indeed have bus fare

does that about sum up the facts as ALL parties agree to?


spaz

{edited fair to fare because I had a brainfart}
{edited again to change brianfart to brainfart because Hammer is all up in my ass about it!!} LOL

You guys are still pissed off that Im getting some play and not having to pay for it aren’t ya……As a competitor of mine has said recently……

“Welcome to the world of porn….suck it up!!!”

I am not a “mack daddy”….I dont have “game” so please give it a rest…..I am happy that your jealous of me….but please don’t commit one of the 7 deadly sins and be envious of me.

If you read on she place me in a position that I could not further help her in. For I had told her prior to leaving that AFTER her shoots I would bring her home….

But since you’re only actually concerned with what you want to hear/read…WTF….I already said everything you said was true. It’s all my fault Crucify me if you will


Satisfied yet? my guess is probably not.

[gonzo]

You guys are still pissed off that Im getting some play and not having to pay for it aren’t ya……As a competitor of mine has said recently……

“Welcome to the world of porn….suck it up!!!”

I am not a “mack daddy”….I dont have “game” so please give it a rest…..I am happy that your jealous of me….but please don’t commit one of the 7 deadly sins and be envious of me.

If you read on she place me in a position that I could not further help her in. For I had told her priory to leaving that AFTER her shoots I would bring her home….

But since you’re only actually concerned with what you want to hear/read…WTF….I already said everything you said was true. It’s all my fault Crucify me if you will


Satisfied yet? my guess is probably not.

I win the bet Spaz!
I told you he thought he was the Mack Daddy cuz he got some
"FREE COKEHEAD TATTOOED WHORE PUSSY"

Your not very good at this are you , Chuck?

You could not further help her with bus fare?
I bet your competitor is laughing his ass off at you.

Are you always this suave with the girls?

[spazlabz]

You guys are still pissed off that Im getting some play and not having to pay for it aren’t ya……As a competitor of mine has said recently……

“Welcome to the world of porn….suck it up!!!”

I am not a “mack daddy”….I dont have “game” so please give it a rest…..I am happy that your jealous of me….but please don’t commit one of the 7 deadly sins and be envious of me.

If you read on she place me in a position that I could not further help her in. For I had told her priory to leaving that AFTER her shoots I would bring her home….

But since you’re only actually concerned with what you want to hear/read…WTF….I already said everything you said was true. It’s all my fault Crucify me if you will


Satisfied yet? my guess is probably not.

JEALOUS!!!


JEALOUS!!??

fuck yeah i'm jealous, i'd love to be hitting me some fine ass modeling babes

but your off base on the other things you said

first, i did in fact read everything you wrote... no skimmer here skippy, i pay attention

second.. this line about explaining to her the whole after the shoots thing, its lame... what you did was wrong......wrong, you dont even have to be a gentleman to toss the girl $50 for bus fare... she worked more then that off on her back under you stud

and third.. I did not crucify you, i asked if those were the 'facts' as everyone saw them and could agree to.... who isnt reading what is written now?

listen skamp, you can twist what I say or even what I ask WAY out of porportion, but you're not damaging anyone at all except yourself

do you want to piss with me? I am definitely up for it little man, but bring your A game, a sack lunch and whatever 'girlfriend' you can cull from the gutter because when i am done schooling you, i'll want a snack and some dat pussy


spaz

[Charles Taylor]

BTW its fat losers like me that buy content and hire models. Keep showing us all your business ethics.

I wouldn’t work with your ilk anyways since you were the UNPROFESSIONAL one in the first place and had no problem posting shit you knew nothing about on a public forum. She could be a compulsive habitual liar for all you knew. Yet you would not have known such things for having spent so much time with us in person in front of the diplomat. Now the professional way to go about business is to use the boards as a last resort instead of your first line of attack. You would have either called or emailed me to discuss this situation further. Obviously you need to learn a little more professional business etiquette before I could even contemplate doing ongoing business with you or any company you represent.

[Charles Taylor]

I win the bet Spaz!
I told you he thought he was the Mack Daddy cuz he got some
"FREE COKEHEAD TATTOOED WHORE PUSSY"

Your not very good at this are you , Chuck?

You could not further help her with bus fare?
I bet your competitor is laughing his ass off at you.

Are you always this suave with the girls?

Typical, keyboad warrior. Like I said I knew you little bait and switch scam.....but I CAN CARE LESS really...since as I have said I have been in this bussiness for awhile....so Mr. keyboard warrior I salute you once again

[gonzo]

I wouldn’t work with your ilk anyways since you were the UNPROFESSIONAL one in the first place and had no problem posting shit you knew nothing about on a public forum. She could be a compulsive habitual liar for all you knew. Yet you would not have known such things for having spent so much time with us in person in front of the diplomat. Now the professional way to go about business is to use the boards as a last resort instead of your first line of attack. You would have either called or emailed me to discuss this situation further. Obviously you need to learn a little more professional business etiquette before I could even contemplate doing ongoing business with you or any company you represent.

Youd work with all of us Chuckie.
I have bus fare and you dont.

I think I know how to use a board though. But feel free to complain to the owner about my conduct here.

Tell me who did you contact with AVN to get a "male talent" armband to get into the show? No bus fare so is it safe to assume that you werent an attendee?

Or did that $300 have you tapped out?

And we wont even get on those professionally designed websites you have.

[spazlabz]

But feel free to complain to the owner about my conduct here.
won't work, I hear the owner is a keyboard warrior moron too! :yowsa:

spaz

[gonzo]

Typical, keyboad warrior. Like I said I knew you little bait and switch scam.....but I CAN CARE LESS really...since as I have said I have been in this bussiness for awhile....so Mr. keyboard warrior I salute you once again

I congradulate you!
Youve seen straight thru my scam.

Been in the biz a while but cant even give a model you banged out for free bus fare back home after you drugged her out and drove her to Sarasota.

HEY BIG HITTER!

[Charles Taylor]

JEALOUS!!!


JEALOUS!!??

fuck yeah i'm jealous, i'd love to be hitting me some fine ass modeling babes

but your off base on the other things you said

first, i did in fact read everything you wrote... no skimmer here skippy, i pay attention

second.. this line about explaining to her the whole after the shoots thing, its lame... what you did was wrong......wrong, you dont even have to be a gentleman to toss the girl $50 for bus fare... she worked more then that off on her back under you stud

and third.. I did not crucify you, i asked if those were the 'facts' as everyone saw them and could agree to.... who isnt reading what is written now?

listen skamp, you can twist what I say or even what I ask WAY out of porportion, but you're not damaging anyone at all except yourself

do you want to piss with me? I am definitely up for it little man, but bring your A game, a sack lunch and whatever 'girlfriend' you can cull from the gutter because when i am done schooling you, i'll want a snack and some dat pussy


spaz

Once again...right on target.....and as far as damaging myself...dude...I am so way beyond damaged it is not fucking funny.


White flag raised….you win…you win…..I hereby surrender.

[spazlabz]

Once again...right on target.....and as far as damaging myself...dude...I am so way beyond damaged it is not fucking funny.


White flag raised….you win…you win…..I hereby surrender.
cool, i'm out

but i will still come in here to fuck with the owner of the board LOL


spaz

[HellHouse]

I wouldn’t work with your ilk anyways since you were the UNPROFESSIONAL one in the first place and had no problem posting shit you knew nothing about on a public forum. She could be a compulsive habitual liar for all you knew. Yet you would not have known such things for having spent so much time with us in person in front of the diplomat. Now the professional way to go about business is to use the boards as a last resort instead of your first line of attack. You would have either called or emailed me to discuss this situation further. Obviously you need to learn a little more professional business etiquette before I could even contemplate doing ongoing business with you or any company you represent.


What gonzo did was not unprofessional. In fact, it's people like that who actually provide us with a chance to regulate ourselves, as opposed to having the authorities do it for us.

It's people like you, Charles, who lead the authorities to believe we can't do it on our own.

[Charles Taylor]

I congradulate you!
Youve seen straight thru my scam.

Been in the biz a while but cant even give a model you banged out for free bus fare back home after you drugged her out and drove her to Sarasota.

HEY BIG HITTER!

your board scam sir.....the one where you said....

I told you he thought he was the Mack Daddy cuz he got some "FREE COKEHEAD TATTOOED WHORE PUSSY"

So go on continue to believe what you will...I didn’t drug her...like I said before. If your goal was to be superman, then why didn’t you drive your ass up here and get your girl? Too much work for you? Not as easy as sitting in front of a computer typing useless dribble? Until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes you have no right to give me your opinion on how to handle a situation. Just as I wouldn’t contend to know about any of the classy shit you do.

[gonzo]

If your goal was to be superman, then why didn’t you drive your ass up here and get your girl? Too much work for you? Not as easy as sitting in front of a computer typing useless dribble? Until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes you have no right to give me your opinion on how to handle a situation. Just as I wouldn’t contend to know about any of the classy shit you do.

My goal is to inform.
And it was your model not mine.
Oh thats right you didnt pay her so you cant even claim that.

As far as walking in your shoes ... no thanks. I prefer to deal with ethical businessmen and continue to take out the trash in this business.

[Charles Taylor]

What gonzo did was not unprofessional. In fact, it's people like that who actually provide us with a chance to regulate ourselves, as opposed to having the authorities do it for us.

It's people like you, Charles, who lead the authorities to believe we can't do it on our own.

That’s why most major industries have there own regulatory group/board. But until you make one up don’t go ahead and appoint yourself sheriff, judge, jury and executioner. Otherwise you’re only making a mockery of the american legal system.

[Mike AI]

Thread is still worthless without photos!

[Jace]

listen skamp, you can twist what I say or even what I ask WAY out of porportion, but you're not damaging anyone at all except yourself


skamp

hahahahahaha

skamp

i love it

[Jace]

I need to file a complaint to the owner of this board, where is that fuckin keyboard warrior?

[Hammer]

Thread is still worthless without photos!
Yep.

I will say that it seemed a bit unfair of Gonzo to reply to the question of whether she had gotten home safely and was alright with "she's not answering her phone" or whatever he said. That's why I asked my question. If she was stranded I'm sure Gonzo would have helped her so I can only assume that she was able to get home and inferring that it's possible she didn't was a bit unfair, IMO.

Just playing devil's advocate here, not taking sides, although I still think there were mistakes made by both parties.

[spazlabz]

I need to file a complaint to the owner of this board, where is that fuckin keyboard warrior?
out eating krusty nuts doughnuts is my guess


spaz

[Hammer]

out eating krusty nuts doughnuts is my guess
They're krispy, not crusty. ;)

[spazlabz]

They're krispy, not crusty. ;)
LOL whatever, krusty would be an improvement! right now KK is just balled up crap deep fried foulness


Dunkin Donuts is WAY better!! MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnummy!


spaz

[spazlabz]

Thread is still worthless without photos!
hey from what I understand Charles shot video of the audition... maybe he will throw up a clip so we can get a look at her outta that navy blue dress :blink:


spaz

[Hammer]

Dunkin Donuts are okay. I always say I never met a donut I didn't like, but Krispy Kreme's are decadent rings of goodness and although I avoid them as much as possible so I don't end up being an FFN, they tempt me far more than DD's.

As for grease.... well, that's what makes a donut good. Some of the best donuts I've ever eaten are the beignets at Cafe Dumond in New Orleans with a nice cup of their chicory coffee. Talk about yummy.

[spazlabz]

Dunkin Donuts are okay. I always say I never met a donut I didn't like, but Krispy Kreme's are decadent rings of goodness and although I avoid them as much as possible so I don't end up being an FFN, they tempt me far more than DD's.

As for grease.... well, that's what makes a donut good. Some of the best donuts I've ever eaten are the beignets at Cafe Dumond in New Orleans with a nice cup of their chicory coffee. Talk about yummy.
quit it dammit! i'm on a nazi diet and there are no donut places around here at all (2 hour drive to the nearest DD)

whats chicory? of course i dont expect an answer to that i never got one about a mojito either :mad:


wheres the sample clips Charles?


spaz

[Toby]

...so we can get a look at her outta that navy blue dressActually, it was a fairly snug fitting pair of blue overalls.

Paul didn't get any of pics of her, at the time we were out on the front steps at the hotel and he was getting the car so we could go find a place to eat.

Was JFK at Porno Dan's party? If so he may have a captured her without the blue overalls, but a clear shot in that crowd would be unlikely.

[spazlabz]

Actually, it was a fairly snug fitting pair of blue overalls.
That's hot!

Charles show us some vids dude!


spaz

[Charles Taylor]

wheres the sample clips Charles?

Well according to gonzo I am a broke fuck....so you couldn’t possibility expect me to have a host for me to put that up right?

[gonzo]

Well according to gonzo I am a broke fuck....so you couldn’t possibility expect me to have a host for me to put that up right?

Ill help you out chump change.
I have 4 servers send me the file and Ill host it for you.

[Charles Taylor]

Actually, it was a fairly snug fitting pair of blue overalls.

Paul didn't get any of pics of her, at the time we were out on the front steps at the hotel and he was getting the car so we could go find a place to eat.

Was JFK at Porno Dan's party? If so he may have a captured her without the blue overalls, but a clear shot in that crowd would be unlikely.

I thought it was fairly loose on her. JFK was not at the Pajama Party while we were in attendance.

[spazlabz]

Well according to gonzo I am a broke fuck....so you couldn’t possibility expect me to have a host for me to put that up right?
pishaw!
i'll host it
shit i'll cut it and transcode it (http://www.spazlabz.com) been doing it since 98 ;)


spaz

[Charles Taylor]

pishaw!
i'll host it
shit i'll cut it and transcode it (http://www.spazlabz.com) been doing it since 98 ;)


spaz

Jim@SpazLabz.com right?

[spazlabz]

Jim@SpazLabz.com right?
yeah man thats it.....

you wouldnt mind maybe posting a few more of my e mail addys on boards would you? gawd knows i just do NOT get enough spam as it is LOL

spaz

[Charles Taylor]

yeah man thats it.....

you wouldnt mind maybe posting a few more of my e mail addys on boards would you? gawd knows i just do NOT get enough spam as it is LOL

spaz


sorry....

[spazlabz]

sorry....
no sweat..
not to come off as too much of a smart ass but you do realize that spoolers have limits right? so if you try and send me say a 2 GB video file, the likihood that I will ever see it or that we will ever be friends will both be slim

crash my spoolers and i get pissy LOL


spaz

[spazlabz]

http://www.spazlabz.com/images/bdg.jpg

not an audition video but not bad... please excuse my poor attempt at clean up, the original was a little dark :)


spaz

[Mike AI]

Damn the bugs are bug in S. Florida during the summer!!

[Hammer]

I wouldn't hit that, even with a donkey punch.

[Hammer]

whats chicory? of course i dont expect an answer to that i never got one about a mojito either :mad:

Chicory is a kind of plant that is made into something that resembles coffee. It became popular when coffee got too expensive. Most people don't like straight chicory but at Cafe Dumond they combine chicory with coffee, milk and sugar to create an amazingly delicious cup of coffee and one that goes perfectly with some nice beignets.

A mojito is a drink made with rum, lime, mint leaves and simple syrup and usually a little sprite or club soda for a little fiz. Hard to beat on a hot day.

[LadyMischief]

You guys are still pissed off that Im getting some play and not having to pay for it aren’t ya……As a competitor of mine has said recently……

“Welcome to the world of porn….suck it up!!!”

I am not a “mack daddy”….I dont have “game” so please give it a rest…..I am happy that your jealous of me….but please don’t commit one of the 7 deadly sins and be envious of me.

If you read on she place me in a position that I could not further help her in. For I had told her prior to leaving that AFTER her shoots I would bring her home….



But since you’re only actually concerned with what you want to hear/read…WTF….I already said everything you said was true. It’s all my fault Crucify me if you will


Satisfied yet? my guess is probably not.

Jealous? You must be kidding. If I treated a model that way I'd end up never getting a model again, word also travels fast in this industry. Making excuses is fine and dandy, except when nobody thinks they're excuses. There is no excuse for leaving a girl stranded like that, I don't really care what kind of spin you put on it.

[tony404]

Picking up girls in a bar and fucking them for free is getting some play. Getting some girl to fuck you for free because she thinks you will get her work, is being a slime. Very unprofessional and its why everyone then thinks we are scum.I have worked in adult from strip clubs to jack shacks to the net the 20 yrs and never fucked the help. It shows weakness, no self control. I quote my first boss on my first day of work in adult he said. "These girls do the toughest work in the world, they give us the ability to make a good living.We must never make it harder on them."

[helix]

http://www.spazlabz.com/images/bdg.jpg

not an audition video but not bad... please excuse my poor attempt at clean up, the original was a little dark :)


spaz

you are fired ! next ..... j/k

[Charles Taylor]

Jealous? You must be kidding. If I treated a model that way I'd end up never getting a model again, word also travels fast in this industry. Making excuses is fine and dandy, except when nobody thinks they're excuses. There is no excuse for leaving a girl stranded like that, I don't really care what kind of spin you put on it.

Yes word does travel fast in the industry. And I guess that’s why I have been in this area of the biz since '98. If my reputation was unsalvageable then obviously no one would want to work with me. But I provide product for which you would spend countless hours searching for the girl for your project. What you need to do is turn it around and ask yourself what if this had happened to you...if some one ripped you off, wasted your time, money and they still wanted more. Would you still bend over backwards just so there needs are met? Well my dear you are the better woman indeed. If that is so you are the embodiment of a living saint. I am merely a pimp….So it’s nothing personal….just business.

Allow me email the Vatican on your behalf.

[Charles Taylor]

Picking up girls in a bar and fucking them for free is getting some play. Getting some girl to fuck you for free because she thinks you will get her work, is being a slime. Very unprofessional and its why everyone then thinks we are scum.I have worked in adult from strip clubs to jack shacks to the net the 20 yrs and never fucked the help. It shows weakness, no self control. I quote my first boss on my first day of work in adult he said. "These girls do the toughest work in the world, they give us the ability to make a good living.We must never make it harder on them."

you my friend have yet to watch the people Vs. Larry Flynt....do some reserch.....it happens everyday. Stop being holier than thou. cause I aint buying it. As for the slime remark I resemble that comment....keep 'em up.

[Charles Taylor]

I wouldn't hit that, even with a donkey punch.

Hell Hammer would'nt even "hit it"....so placing girls in adult content shoots is not as easy as it seems.

BTW thanks spazlabz for the hosting. :okthumb:

[Hammer]

so placing girls in adult content shoots is not as easy as it seems.
Not necessarily true. I just have very discerning taste.

[gonzo]

Not necessarily true. I just have very discerning taste.

Proof yet again...hes not very good at this.

[Charles Taylor]

Not necessarily true. I just have very discerning taste.

and 9 out of 10 of you are the exact same way.......I guess I could always take them to crachworeconfessions.com....there not as picky at all.

[Charles Taylor]

Proof yet again...hes not very good at this.

i must take your course on how to be a pimp...since you know it all.

[Hell Puppy]

This kinda bullshit is why any of us who do our own content have such a hard time gaining the trust of girls.

There's a lot more dirt bags out there than pro's.

And I can understand how girls desperate for cash will fall for the bullshit, many figure they have nothing to lose. But what I can NOT understand is what would make a girl get a big ass tattoo of a giant mosquito on her tits.

[tony404]

you my friend have yet to watch the people Vs. Larry Flynt....do some reserch.....it happens everyday. Stop being holier than thou. cause I aint buying it. As for the slime remark I resemble that comment....keep 'em up.
Lets see murder happens everyday, so that makes that ok too ? Just because slime does this everyday doesn't make it alright or acceptable.

[Toby]

...what I can NOT understand is what would make a girl get a big ass tattoo of a giant mosquito on her tits.I wondered the same thing, well almost the same thing, substitute dragonfly for giant mosquito. :scratchin

[gonzo]

i must take your course on how to be a pimp...since you know it all.

You cant afford it. And you wouldnt listen if you could.

Heres a freebie though.
When you stop recruting at the Greyhound bus stop you might want to work on your website. Its not very fly or pimp.

Michelle says she will do a phone interview for the podcast.

So Im going to ask her how long you cried and what you promised her if shed would be your girl. She did say her first clue you were the real piece of shit was how you told her all of us were scum yet you were the one parading her around the foyer at the hotel.

Ill sell you crackwhoreflophouse.com though.

[Charles Taylor]

Lets see murder happens everyday, so that makes that ok too ? Just because slime does this everyday doesn't make it alright or acceptable.

no your right...and until what I did is deemed Illlgal in a court of law then you have room to cap off.

[helix]

I wondered the same thing, well almost the same thing, substitute dragonfly for giant mosquito. :scratchin I disliked it so bad I had to fix it....
http://www.spiketechnical.com/bdg_notat.jpg

[Charles Taylor]

You cant afford it. And you wouldnt listen if you could.

Heres a freebie though.
When you stop recruting at the Greyhound bus stop you might want to work on your website. Its not very fly or pimp.

Michelle says she will do a phone interview for the podcast.

So Im going to ask her how long you cried and what you promised her if shed would be your girl. She did say her first clue you were the real piece of shit was how you told her all of us were scum yet you were the one parading her around the foyer at the hotel.

Ill sell you crackwhoreflophouse.com though.

wonderful....wonder if you will also have my rebuttal on your pod cast as well.....no that would be to fair and balanced....now go back to watching the fox news channel since you are there perfect demographic for there style of programming.

[gonzo]

wonderful....wonder if you will also have my rebuttal on your pod cast as well.....no that would be to fair and balanced....now go back to watching the fox news channel since you are there perfect demographic for there style of programming.

Sure why dont I have both of you on at the same time?
Can you make sure your prepaid minutes are ready when the time comes?

[Charles Taylor]

Sure why dont I have both of you on at the same time?
Can you make sure your prepaid minutes are ready when the time comes?

Well I must admit at least you are fair and balanced if what you say is true....however your little jabs are growing a bit childish anymore.

So I look forward to your grilling. You may even learn a thing or two.

[spazlabz]

i must take your course on how to be a pimp...since you know it all.
actually... ya know what? you've never seen GonZo in his fur coat man... he be straight up pimpin yo!


spaz

[spazlabz]

Can you make sure your prepaid minutes are ready when the time comes?
hahahaha
thats fucking funny right there man! LOL


spaz

[taboo_gal]

Well, Mr. Taylor, for someone who doesn't care, feels completely justified by his actions and is so concerned with professionalism, you sure are doing alot of talking, justifying, repetition and insulting. I have no idea who either of you are and truly do not care to know. What I do care about is the obviously overwhelming amount of disrepect you have. You disrespect those who have shown concern about this woman, those who are concerned about the reputation of this industry. This I've drawn from the text and tone of your posts. Would you be so smug if this happened to a lady you cared about? If in fact, there is such a person in your life. Would you not appreciate the concern from people who otherwise may look the other way? I'd hope not. I'm not here to play Miss Molly conscience or the religious figure of choice, but thinking and feeling appears to be something you are rusty in. Step outside yourself for a few minutes and look at this from others perspectives. You may be surprised by an alternative viewpoint.

[spazlabz]

Well, Mr. Taylor, for someone who doesn't care, feels completely justified by his actions and is so concerned with professionalism, you sure are doing alot of talking, justifying, repetition and insulting. I have no idea who either of you are and truly do not care to know. What I do care about is the obviously overwhelming amount of disrepect you have. You disrespect those who have shown concern about this woman, those who are concerned about the reputation of this industry. This I've drawn from the text and tone of your posts. Would you be so smug if this happened to a lady you cared about? If in fact, there is such a person in your life. Would you not appreciate the concern from people who otherwise may look the other way? I'd hope not. I'm not here to play Miss Molly conscience or the religious figure of choice, but thinking and feeling appears to be something you are rusty in. Step outside yourself for a few minutes and look at this from others perspectives. You may be surprised by an alternative viewpoint.
his back is against the ropes and some MMA stud is smacking the fuck outta him....
I dont think he is quite thinking his responses through all the way or i suspect the tone might be different... he popped in here with a bloody nose and a knee on his throat, he just hasn't figured out how to arch and slide.


spaz

[Charles Taylor]

Well, Mr. Taylor, for someone who doesn't care, feels completely justified by his actions and is so concerned with professionalism, you sure are doing alot of talking, justifying, repetition and insulting. I have no idea who either of you are and truly do not care to know. What I do care about is the obviously overwhelming amount of disrepect you have. You disrespect those who have shown concern about this woman, those who are concerned about the reputation of this industry. This I've drawn from the text and tone of your posts. Would you be so smug if this happened to a lady you cared about? If in fact, there is such a person in your life. Would you not appreciate the concern from people who otherwise may look the other way? I'd hope not. I'm not here to play Miss Molly conscience or the religious figure of choice, but thinking and feeling appears to be something you are rusty in. Step outside yourself for a few minutes and look at this from others perspectives. You may be surprised by an alternative viewpoint.

I totally feel for what your trying to say...However if you had a budget of $500 to lets say fly a girl in for a shoot and she did one and decided that it was not right for her I would have no problem with letting her go. However once again if you had invested the $500 and you had only made a $200 commission you would be in the negative. Its simple basic math. Now what justifies me not being overly chivalrous to someone who has cost me money and now is a liability instead of an asset. As per prior posts she didn’t have time to let the ball start rolling and simply thought that everything happens in an instant. I am as most capitalists here are to make a profit and not end up in the red. So here once again I would have not helped her out getting back to where she came from once again. It is not directly about my morals but the principle of the matter. I am sorry to inform you that I don’t have a massive discretionary fund at my disposal for when a model decides to back out of their prior agreements while I am to honor the same agreements which had stated that after the shoots were finished I would provide transportation back to her original pick up location.

[taboo_gal]

I totally feel for what your trying to say...However if you had a budget of $500 to lets say fly a girl in for a shoot and she did one and decided that it was not right for her I would have no problem with letting her go. However once again if you had invested the $500 and you had only made a $200 commission you would be in the negative. Its simple basic math. Now what justifies me not being overly chivalrous to someone who has cost me money and now is a liability instead of an asset. As per prior posts she didn’t have time to let the ball start rolling and simply thought that everything happens in an instant. I am as most capitalists here are to make a profit and not end up in the red. So here once again I would have not helped her out getting back to where she came from once again. It is not directly about my morals but the principle of the matter. I am sorry to inform you that I don’t have a massive discretionary fund at my disposal for when a model decides to back out of their prior agreements while I am to honor the same agreements which had stated that after the shoots were finished I would provide transportation back to her original pick up location.


First of all, I appreciate that you have respected my viewpoint and didn't come back full of flame. Now, I get that you aren't made of money. Very few of us are. But, things didn't pan out and with you already in the red $500 , 50 bucks to get her home wouldn't have been such a stretch. Obviously there were issues all around, but you could have done a little c.y.a. and made sure she got home. Shoulda, woulda, coulda...don't matter now. What does matter is that maybe you're more careful in the future and are more aware of how your treatment of someone can affect them and those around them in the grander scheme of things.

[Toby]

...Obviously there were issues all around, but you could have done a little c.y.a. and made sure she got home. Shoulda, woulda, coulda...don't matter now. What does matter is that maybe you're more careful in the future and are more aware of how your treatment of someone can affect them and those around them in the grander scheme of things.
:-pearl:

[Mike AI]

Chicory is a kind of plant that is made into something that resembles coffee. It became popular when coffee got too expensive. Most people don't like straight chicory but at Cafe Dumond they combine chicory with coffee, milk and sugar to create an amazingly delicious cup of coffee and one that goes perfectly with some nice beignets.

A mojito is a drink made with rum, lime, mint leaves and simple syrup and usually a little sprite or club soda for a little fiz. Hard to beat on a hot day.

Chicory was substituted in the South during the Civil War when Coffee was difficult to get due to naval blockage by yankees.

[spazlabz]

Chicory is a kind of plant that is made into something that resembles coffee. It became popular when coffee got too expensive. Most people don't like straight chicory but at Cafe Dumond they combine chicory with coffee, milk and sugar to create an amazingly delicious cup of coffee and one that goes perfectly with some nice beignets.

A mojito is a drink made with rum, lime, mint leaves and simple syrup and usually a little sprite or club soda for a little fiz. Hard to beat on a hot day.
a little late but Thank You very much for explaining both of those for me Hammer... I really didnt know :) and mojitos sound tastey!

spaz

[LadyMischief]

Yes word does travel fast in the industry. And I guess that’s why I have been in this area of the biz since '98. If my reputation was unsalvageable then obviously no one would want to work with me. But I provide product for which you would spend countless hours searching for the girl for your project. What you need to do is turn it around and ask yourself what if this had happened to you...if some one ripped you off, wasted your time, money and they still wanted more. Would you still bend over backwards just so there needs are met? Well my dear you are the better woman indeed. If that is so you are the embodiment of a living saint. I am merely a pimp….So it’s nothing personal….just business.

Allow me email the Vatican on your behalf.


Well "Pimp", if your actions were so justified and you are so right, what the hell do you feel you have to justify your actions to everyone here for? You would let it run off like water off a duck's back. Or is that a guilty conscience and trying to convince yourself that you were right that is the true purpose of the continuation of this?

[LadyMischief]

wonderful....wonder if you will also have my rebuttal on your pod cast as well.....no that would be to fair and balanced....now go back to watching the fox news channel since you are there perfect demographic for there style of programming.


Seems that the people here, who are some of the longest-lived in the business and do more business with the "big guys" than you can possible imagine, and who are essentially the same demographic as all the people who tune in to their shows don't believe you and think that, like I think, your story stinks of hefty bullshit would probably feel the same way.

[Charles Taylor]

Well "Pimp", if your actions were so justified and you are so right, what the hell do you feel you have to justify your actions to everyone here for? You would let it run off like water off a duck's back. Or is that a guilty conscience and trying to convince yourself that you were right that is the true purpose of the continuation of this?

I am not justifying my actions...I am merely explaining them. There is a difference. The continuation of this is to prove a point and to show that there ARE two sides to this story.


Seems that the people here, who are some of the longest-lived in the business and do more business with the "big guys" than you can possible imagine, and who are essentially the same demographic as all the people who tune in to their shows don't believe you and think that, like I think, your story stinks of hefty bullshit would probably feel the same way.

Well I guess we must all run in different circles within the biz since we have not heard of each another before in any respect. The only person I recognize who has posted in this thread is Jace who has been along with his wife in front of the camera as well as doing other things in the biz.


Really the final thing I wish to add to this thread is if you wanted me to admit to not having enough funds available at the time to take her ass home is YES your correct. Her return as I previously stated and told her depended on her shoots and she took the liberty to use my credit card and change $75.00 to my Visa at the gas station before we left South Florida. If by the time her shoots fell through my account would have been credited therefore allowing me to take her back to her residence. I do not have any excuse outside of the fact that she "partied" with it ($50. +) at the convention buying expensive drinks and then they handed me a bill for them. Now should I have told the Diplomat staff to "fuck off" I didn’t order any such shit...No I paid for them. (Did anyone pay for their own drinks at this convention or did everyone their use corporate charge or as I have read as well sponge off of the sponsors? If you would have you would have noticed that they weren’t $3.00 bottle/drink) I guess I should have committed theft of gasoline and "gassed and dashed" at the pump. I guess this thread would have been much more entertaining if I attempted to have the girl in question push the can when we ran out of fuel on “alligator alley”. I don’t either have any sponsors or corporate lines of credit. That’s why I have been around for so long. Might not be as successful as others in my niche but when the economy tanks there creditors will be by to pick up all that bling bling that they don’t actually outright own but yet I will still have my nothing that I do own.



I have yet to leave anyone (so go start a digging Mr. Wallace...I mean Gonzo) stranded before so why would I start doing it now.



Now hurry up children go back and look for errors and inconsistencies in all of my statements and don’t forget to give me your detailed report.

[spazlabz]

Now hurry up children go back and look for errors and inconsistencies in all of my statements and don’t forget to give me your detailed report.
Honestly Charles, your condensation slays me, it really does. The people that do business here, and there is a lot of them doing a lot of business are about as far removed from 'children' and childish behavior as you can get... I honestly looked over everything you have said, read every post and reply as they appeared and the only place that I can see where you honest to gawd, straight up fucked the pooch IMO is where you left a young woman.. crackwhore or otherwise, stranded at a bus station.

just for safetys sake alone that was an extremely poor choice. You may have been pissed but the proper thing to do would have been to just tell the bitch that she had to wait to get back home till you could leave... if she was at the diplomat she wouldnt have had a problem finding another stiffy to take her where ever she wanted to go for a quickie if that was her choice... its just leaving a young woman like that virtually stranded that will get the critical eye cast your way.

my suggestion... take it or leave it... apologize to her for THAT and realize that this one time action on your part can definitely influence the way others see you and choose to do business with you in the future...


on a plus side.. at least you didnt say you worshipped satan and wanted her to visit your black church LOL


spaz

[gonzo]

I would have bought you a drink there Big Hitter.

Everyone that was there can tell you I was attending on my own dime.

[gonzo]

on a plus side.. at least you didnt say you worshipped satan and wanted her to visit your black church LOL


spaz

Thats another story!

[Charles Taylor]

Honestly Charles, your condensation slays me, it really does. The people that do business here, and there is a lot of them doing a lot of business are about as far removed from 'children' and childish behavior as you can get... I honestly looked over everything you have said, read every post and reply as they appeared and the only place that I can see where you honest to gawd, straight up fucked the pooch IMO is where you left a young woman.. crackwhore or otherwise, stranded at a bus station.

just for safetys sake alone that was an extremely poor choice. You may have been pissed but the proper thing to do would have been to just tell the bitch that she had to wait to get back home till you could leave... if she was at the diplomat she wouldnt have had a problem finding another stiffy to take her where ever she wanted to go for a quickie if that was her choice... its just leaving a young woman like that virtually stranded that will get the critical eye cast your way.

my suggestion... take it or leave it... apologize to her for THAT and realize that this one time action on your part can definitely influence the way others see you and choose to do business with you in the future...


on a plus side.. at least you didnt say you worshipped satan and wanted her to visit your black church LOL


spaz

I think I am treading on waters where I was with her. Either that or I am confused, as I believe she was in the end of her journey or I have confused you in my statements.

I could and would have taken her back to her location with out any difficulty while we were in the tri-county area (Palm Beach/Broward/Miami-Dade counties). It was once that I entered I-75 and went on “alligator alley” going up towards Tampa the point was then moot unless what was previously agreed upon was completed. Now you cannot call me inconsistent in my stance that I can’t apologize to someone whom I thought took advantage of me as well. So I do acknowledge that the facts are true as I did drop her off at the bus station and that it itself was wrong on my part. But I would have no backbone if I were to cave in and placate all of you and not hold my ground in what I though was the only option open to me at the time. If I would have had money for gas I would have given her bus fare as well. If you would like me to apologize to her then I would like her to also apologize to me for wasting my time and money to begin with.

PS, the safety’s sake line doesn’t hold water with me she is ex-USN and most likely could have kicked my ass in a fight.

[Charles Taylor]

I would have bought you a drink there Big Hitter.

Everyone that was there can tell you I was attending on my own dime.

thanks for the offer :okthumb:

[spazlabz]

PS, the safety’s sake line doesn’t hold water with me she is ex-USN and most likely could have kicked my ass in a fight.
all other things taken into consideration here bro.... being a former Marine myself

USN kicking ass? oh dude thats a :-pearl: unless we are are talking former UDT or something LOL


spaz

[Charles Taylor]

all other things taken into consideration here bro.... being a former Marine myself

USN kicking ass? oh dude thats a :-pearl: unless we are are talking former UDT or something LOL


spaz


No I didn’t say she had any advanced training (i.e., special forces or Navy Seals) but they don’t just let you in after taking the ASVAB and say hey your a seaman...now go join your shipmates up on deck. That would be like if someone wanted to become a cop and they just gave him/her a gun and a badge and said get your ass out there and fight crime. I cannot sit here and say I have been through basic/boot camp personally but I do know a few folks that have been in it and it’s not a cake walk in any branch by any stretch of the imagination.

[Footman]

Charles - After reading through every post... and I mean EVERY post, it seems to me that the issue of dropping her off at the bus station was simply due to you being pissed off at her for "wasting" your time and money. If that's correct, I still don't see it a reasonable course of action to leave her 250 miles from her home. The gentlemanly to do would have been bring her home. Pissed or not. Similarly I've been out with women and spent plenty of money and things went sour for one reason or another, but I never abandoned the girl away from home. Not exactly your situation I know but pretty similar. I'm no saint, that's for sure but still bro.

Now I don't scout talent like you do, so I do not understand exactly your frustrations and my comments come from a different direction. I just see it as being a gentleman and, call me strange, I think that goes a long way. You can get more mileage from driving her home despite the problems than dropping her off like that.

On a lighter note...
Hammer - You picking SOB - I think she's cute. I wouldn't say no, tattoo and all. Wait a minute, what do her feet look like?

[Jace]

Here is what makes me wonder about it all

there were several FULL companies at internext that drove down from Tampa, any of which woul;d have LOVED to take a pretty young model home with them and make a new friend/model for their site...why did you drop her at a bus stop?

Hell, Airek alone would have taken her under his wing for the weekend and helped her out, just cause he is that type of guy.

I just don't get with all the people from Tampa that were at the show, why she had to be left on the side of the road.

[MissEve]

I can't believe there is a three page thread about this. Obviously a girl who chose to get a giant fucking dragon fly tatted on her chest has poor judgement.

This is a sleazy biz. Surprise, surprise. I seriously doubt it was this girls first time at the rodeo.

[Hammer]

I just don't get with all the people from Tampa that were at the show, why she had to be left on the side of the road.
Considering he left her in Tampa and they were in Miami heading back to Tampa and she would have been in Tampa trying to get back to Miami, it really doesn't matter.

[Hammer]

I can't believe there is a three page thread about this. Obviously a girl who chose to get a giant fucking dragon fly tatted on her chest has poor judgement.
She's ex Navy so it probably started out to be a battleship and when she realized how much it hurt, changed it to something smaller.

[Charles Taylor]

I can't believe there is a three page thread about this. Obviously a girl who chose to get a giant fucking dragon fly tatted on her chest has poor judgement.

This is a sleazy biz. Surprise, surprise. I seriously doubt it was this girls first time at the rodeo.

Shut up......people might really think she isn’t the angelic little angel that he was portraying her as.


Charles......the big bad wolf.

[Peaches]

I can't believe there is a three page thread about this. Obviously a girl who chose to get a giant fucking dragon fly tatted on her chest has poor judgement.

This is a sleazy biz. Surprise, surprise. I seriously doubt it was this girls first time at the rodeo.
:bustingup :bustingup :bustingup

I miss you!! :(

[detoxed]

my unsoliticited opinion: she isnt very hot and should have been dropped at a bus station earlier

[TheEnforcer]

You cant afford it. And you wouldnt listen if you could.

Heres a freebie though.
When you stop recruting at the Greyhound bus stop you might want to work on your website. Its not very fly or pimp.

Michelle says she will do a phone interview for the podcast.

So Im going to ask her how long you cried and what you promised her if shed would be your girl. She did say her first clue you were the real piece of shit was how you told her all of us were scum yet you were the one parading her around the foyer at the hotel.

Ill sell you crackwhoreflophouse.com though.

Good to know you got a hold of her and that she got home ok apparently. :okthumb:

[Charles Taylor]

Here is what makes me wonder about it all

there were several FULL companies at internext that drove down from Tampa, any of which woul;d have LOVED to take a pretty young model home with them and make a new friend/model for their site...why did you drop her at a bus stop?

Hell, Airek alone would have taken her under his wing for the weekend and helped her out, just cause he is that type of guy.

I just don't get with all the people from Tampa that were at the show, why she had to be left on the side of the road.


Yeah I guess I could have let just anyone have first crack at her.....I explained the shoots that I had for her and she declines many....including some folks that were down there at the time. But yet I did see another very big shooter around looking for girls.......Max Hardcore...maybe now in hindsight I should have left her with him.

[Mike AI]

I can't believe there is a three page thread about this. Obviously a girl who chose to get a giant fucking dragon fly tatted on her chest has poor judgement.

This is a sleazy biz. Surprise, surprise. I seriously doubt it was this girls first time at the rodeo.


HAHAHA I miss you Miss Eve!!

[bluemoney]

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