Sabby Van Ryan now hardcore! :)

[Sabby]

Hey guys I shot my first boy/girl photo set and the pics are up on my site now. Video will be up next week.

Content should be available for JaymanCash webmasters soon.

Okay... Meet Big P!! hehe.

http://www.sabbyvanryan.com/promopics/bigp.jpg



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[spazlabz]

thats strange, i thought you were hard core before
oh well shows what I know
i bet that HC content will do very well :)


spaz

[Sabby]

I guess you are right some of my solo content is very hardcore also.

I didnt know what else to call this though, lol.


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[TheEnforcer]

Going in a new direction eh? I'm sure it will be as hot as your solo stuff, which is very hot! :okthumb:

[ScottMcGowan]

There's a goober in that photo. /me snickers like a 12 year old.

[Sabby]

Going in a new direction eh? I'm sure it will be as hot as your solo stuff, which is very hot! :okthumb:

I'm always full of surprises :) Dont get too comfortable yet! hehe.


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[softball]

I know I for one,am on tenterhooks. LOL.

[Hell Puppy]

Conventional knowledge says adding hardcore increases conversions for a solo girl site. But I wonder if that really applies when the dick is following things like a baseball bat? I mean, is a dick really an upgrade over that 4 foot long double ender in your new avatar? ;)

I'll be curious to see the results.

[Sabby]

Conventional knowledge says adding hardcore increases conversions for a solo girl site. But I wonder if that really applies when the dick is following things like a baseball bat? I mean, is a dick really an upgrade over that 4 foot long double ender in your new avatar? ;)

I'll be curious to see the results.

LOL yeah me too.

It does broaden my categories for traffic sources however... Blowjobs, cumshots, etc...

Although I'm sure the avatar pic would get accepted as a bj pic by most.


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[Jace]

I had no clue you didn't do hardcore before this

wierd....I never pay attention to shit like that anymore...my mind is numb anymore

[Hammer]

I like your avatar photo better. Personally I don't get off on watching other people have sex and much prefer just looking at the woman. I guess I'm too straight to enjoy looking at other guys naked. Then again, since I like the avatar and that has a tranny look to it, I guess I'm just as mixed up as everyone else anyway.

[Footman]

I think all your pics are hot, but this being a new avenue for your pictures I'd be interested to know how it affects your traffic, signups etc. I'm sure that most of your members will be happy to see the new stuff, but I wonder if some are simply not into seeing you with a dude. Kind of like Hammer said. But also, it's a departure from the edgy insertions... unless the guy is massive or has to heads or something.

I think exploration into the "new" is great.... Good luck Sabby :)

[brand0n]

that pic to the left looks pretty hard core to me

[Forsberg's Dog]

Hey guys I shot my first boy/girl photo set and the pics are up on my site now. Video will be up next week.

Content should be available for JaymanCash webmasters soon.

Okay... Meet Big P!! hehe.

http://www.sabbyvanryan.com/promopics/bigp.jpg



Sabby:flash:

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

[Hammer]

that pic to the left looks pretty hard core to me
Yeah, I guess she means she's doing it with real dicks now.

[Footman]

Yeah, I guess she means she's doing it with real dicks now. :waving: I have a real one! And Sabby, you look like you have really great feet ;)

[spazlabz]

this thread is useless without {more} pics :woah:


spaz

[Sabby]

:waving: I have a real one! And Sabby, you look like you have really great feet ;)

hehe tiny size 5 feets. I have done alot of feet content in my site actually. There's some good footjob pics in that set also.


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[Sabby]

Check out my sexy blue toenails hehe.


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[Footman]

hehe tiny size 5 feets. I have done alot of feet content in my site actually. There's some good footjob pics in that set also.


Sabby:flash:

I think I'm falling in love :wub:

[Footman]

Check out my sexy blue toenails hehe.


Sabby:flash:

YUMMY!! :yowsa:

[Hammer]

Sabby, I think you've really done it now. There ain't nothing hardcore about that photo and to me it's just a pair of feet that I'd rather see a sexy pair of shoes on, but I bet Footman has jerked off all over his monitor by now.

[Footman]

Sabby, I think you've really done it now. There ain't nothing hardcore about that photo and to me it's just a pair of feet that I'd rather see a sexy pair of shoes on, but I bet Footman has jerked off all over his monitor by now.
:lmao1: My monitor is at least 3 feet from me... I'm no Peter North!

[Sabby]

hehe. Im sooooooooo glad you liked that :)

BTW Here is my new strategy:

1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it.

Edit: MOST webmaster requests welcome :)


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[Footman]

hehe. Im sooooooooo glad you liked that :)

BTW Here is my new strategy:

1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it.

Edit: MOST webmaster requests welcome :)


Sabby:flash: Oh I REALLY liked that :yowsa:

Good strategy too. So you're thinking feet might be a good way to go? I vote YES on that. I'm really still thinking about those toes and... (slapping myself - stay professional Footman, stay professional)... sorry ;)

[Sabby]

Oh I REALLY liked that :yowsa:

Good strategy too. So you're thinking feet might be a good way to go? I vote YES on that. I'm really still thinking about those toes and... (slapping myself - stay professional Footman, stay professional)... sorry ;)

Well I have some feet members that message me on my site alot so I always include some good feet shots in every set now. I cant only focus on feet though.


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[Footman]

Well I have some feet members that message me on my site alot so I always include some good feet shots in every set now. I cant only focus on feet though.


Sabby:flash: Of course you can't. You have to give as much as you can of what your paying members want to see. Fortunately you have very nice feet and shooting feet is certainly much easier than some other things people can ask for.

[Sabby]

Of course you can't. You have to give as much as you can of what your paying members want to see. Fortunately you have very nice feet and shooting feet is certainly much easier than some other things people can ask for.

I agree. I love the feet guys hehe. I used to have a guy take me prvt all the time on Interclimax for a half hour show to watch me blow spit bubbles all over my toes. He was great.


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[gonzo]

Interesting marketing angles.

Unfortunatly I like the other tour I had made for the other site even better.
Different site and different angle but it would have converted like a motherfucker.

[Sabby]

Interesting marketing angles.

Unfortunatly I like the other tour I had made for the other site even better.
Different site and different angle but it would have converted like a motherfucker.

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!

:boohoo:


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[Sabby]

I'm doing well with leg traffic also. This thumb pulls REALLY well on toplists.

http://www.sabbyvanryan.com/linkups/sablegs.jpg


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[softball]

"1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it."

Actually, that sounds backwards to me. But good luck to you anyway.

[gonzo]

"1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it."

Actually, that sounds backwards to me. But good luck to you anyway.

Actually it was a strategy a lot of us used in building free sites ...
Traffic source and then find a site/program that converted and paid.

[Footman]

"1) Find a good traffic source.
2) Shoot good content to fit with it."

Actually, that sounds backwards to me. But good luck to you anyway. Why? Basically it means... to me at least

"Find a popular niche with not so much competition and build a quality site around it"

Unless I misunderstood everything. That's been known to happen before :rolleyes:

[softball]

Actually it was a strategy a lot of us used in building free sites ...
Traffic source and then find a site/program that converted and paid.
Yes that is true, but you are walking in someone's footprints. I guess its about how much money you want to make. First adopters usually make the cash if it is a good idea. Sucking the hind tit makes money, just not as much. It is what you are content with.

[softball]

Why? Basically it means... to me at least

"Find a popular niche with not so much competition and build a quality site around it"

Unless I misunderstood everything. That's been known to happen before :rolleyes:
It happens all the time. There are those who lead and those who follow.

[gonzo]

Yes that is true, but you are walking in someone's footprints. I guess its about how much money you want to make. First adopters usually make the cash if it is a good idea. Sucking the hind tit makes money, just not as much. It is what you are content with.

Hind tit seems to have worked for me!

[Hammer]

So why did she change from the tour that would convert like a 'motherfucker'?

I agree with Rhetorical too, considering we're talking about an existing pay site. Kind of silly to worry about traffic to a paysite that doesn't have good content already.

[Footman]

The really important thing is she's sexy as hell and like feet guys.. so there :nyanya:
lol

[Toby]

Solo amateur sites are a slightly different beast that don't necessarily have to follow the usual rules to be successful. I promote a number of such sites that have added mulitple niche specific tours as they develop a content and traffic base for each.

The key is understanding each niche well enough to do it right. The time Sabby has spent doing private shows gives her insights into fetishes and niches that most of us will never understand.

Edit: MOST webmaster requests welcome I can always use more high heel or boot content. :D

[Sabby]

So why did she change from the tour that would convert like a 'motherfucker'?

I agree with Rhetorical too, considering we're talking about an existing pay site. Kind of silly to worry about traffic to a paysite that doesn't have good content already.

I was going to partner a girlgirl site with another girl. And then she went psycho before Gonzo and I got a model release from her. That was over a year ago.

You think my content is not good? Well, My site as it is converts fine for me with the traffic I have. I'm just running out of traffic sources for my own traffic now and I have already topped almost all the toplists I qualify for. That boy/girl scene opened up alot more sites for me to link up to.



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[Sabby]

Solo amateur sites are a slightly different beast that don't necessarily have to follow the usual rules to be successful. I promote a number of such sites that have added mulitple niche specific tours as they develop a content and traffic base for each.

The key is understanding each niche well enough to do it right. The time Sabby has spent doing private shows gives her insights into fetishes and niches that most of us will never understand.

I can always use more high heel or boot content. :D

I have 2 sets with thigh high boots. One black pair and one white pair. I have a pair of red ones also I havent shot in yet but I will. Alot of my sets I am wearing stileto heel shoes.


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[Hammer]

You think my content is not good?
I didn't say your content wasn't good. I was commenting on the order you had you listed the priorities in, which some newbie might read. You listed find traffic first and get content second.

[Sabby]

I didn't say your content wasn't good. I was commenting on the order you had you listed the priorities in, which some newbie might read. You listed find traffic first and get content second.

You are so right...

Giving newbies good advice is a terrible idea, lol. Thankyou for correcting me.


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[Hammer]

You are so right...

Giving newbies good advice is a terrible idea, lol. Thankyou for correcting me.

ummm.... so you're saying that telling a newbie to concentrate on getting traffic first and then getting content second is good advice?

What good does traffic do without good content?

[Sabby]

ummm.... so you're saying that telling a newbie to concentrate on getting traffic first and then getting content second is good advice?

What good does traffic do without good content?

Do you have either one? I have both :)



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[Hammer]

Do you have either one? I have both :)
You win. You just defeated me with illogic and I don't have the engergy to continue. :wnw:

[softball]

Its the old content vs traffic go-round. If you have both, then you win. But no content, no traffic. This is not a chicken or egg situation. I also believe that spinning your wheels for traffic is not a good strategy. Its like starting from scratch over and over and over again. The porn version of groundhog day.

[gonzo]

Its the old content vs traffic go-round. If you have both, then you win. But no content, no traffic. This is not a chicken or egg situation. I also believe that spinning your wheels for traffic is not a good strategy. Its like starting from scratch over and over and over again. The porn version of groundhog day.

Im glad you brought this up.
I can point to 2 sites in the last year that started out with ZERO content that have a large surfer base without being a year old.

It can be done. It has been done. TWICE!

[softball]

Im glad you brought this up.
I can point to 2 sites in the last year that started out with ZERO content that have a large surfer base without being a year old.

It can be done. It has been done. TWICE!

OK, point to them. I would actually like to see this and how it is done.

[gonzo]

OK, point to them. I would actually like to see this and how it is done.

Its no secret

xpeeps and pornotube

Pornotube is probably the fastest growing adult site in many years and with ZERO paid advertising too.

[Hammer]

And neither of those sites is a pay site and that's what we're talking about in this thread. Of course it's possible to make money with sites that have no content, but I'm pretty sure the discussion in this thread is member sites.

There's nothing wrong with a newbie learning how to get traffic and using sponsor sites to make money, but if they are starting a pay site, it would make zero sense to think about generating traffic before the members area had content in it.

[gonzo]

And neither of those sites is a pay site and that's what we're talking about in this thread. Of course it's possible to make money with sites that have no content, but I'm pretty sure the discussion in this thread is member sites.

There's nothing wrong with a newbie learning how to get traffic and using sponsor sites to make money, but if they are starting a pay site, it would make zero sense to think about generating traffic before the members area had content in it.

Thats not entirely true.
If your researching your competition or nichewide you can get an idea of how that traffic would preform before building out a site.

Typically though I dont know many people that have that level of planning or patience.

[softball]

It seems to me there is a huge difference between doing research and marketing. This is not developing traffic with no content.
Xpeeps and pornotube are marketing a service (ie:content). So they have something to pitch. If you make money by selling "nothing" (ie:no content) then it's a scam.
This is comparing apples and oranges. I still stand by my original statement. If you don't have content (product), you can't gain traffic. This is all based on the premise that the whole deal is legit.

[Hell Puppy]

But the really important question here is who is the stunt cock?

[softball]

But the really important question here is who is the stunt cock?
Who cares?