Fear of Pornotube

[Hell Puppy]

I find it interesting to watch everyone quake at the thought of pornotube. Lots of 'em are screaming shut it down before it kills all of us.

The common belief is that movies are the exclusive domain of paysite members areas. It is the only thing that will get people to reach for their wallets. So giving them away kills us all.

We've been protected to date by the cost of bandwidth mostly. This has kept most MGP's in the range of only a handful of movies per gallery and those are all very very short clips, often 10 seconds or so. But AEBN has the deep pockets to buy a lot of pipe.

If it makes them money, you can bet it will stick around. Just like TGP's, if someone is making a buck at it, you best figure out how to get a piece yourself because hating it and bitching on the boards accomplishes nothing but letting the industry pass you by.

Also, like most every traffic tool before it, how well it works for you will depend on how you use it. Hopefully people have learned from TGP's. If you go out there and give away the store just to get more views and higher rankings, dont be shocked when your conversation rates suck. On the other hand, use it for well done trailers, and you might actually see some good returns.

Anyone remember how BangBus got started?

[Toby]

It's the surfer uploads that I'm most concerned with. I'm very interested to see how they're going to try to keep that under control.

[Hell Puppy]

It's the surfer uploads that I'm most concerned with. I'm very interested to see how they're going to try to keep that under control.

Yeah, I'd be curious to see what happens if someone uploads something from a paysite's members area.

I would hope if the owner of the content cried foul (or cried DMCA), they'd gladly remove it.

[Toby]

Yeah, I'd be curious to see what happens if someone uploads something from a paysite's members area.

I would hope if the owner of the content cried foul (or cried DMCA), they'd gladly remove it.I have no doubts they'd remove it without question, but for every one removed there will be dozens or even hundreds of others that should be removed.

[Biggy]

My shit already gets ripped off through websites like metacafe - full members area videos. We send C&Ds, they get ignored. I am already looking into legal action.

AEBN has a responsibility to regulate the content. As a content producer, as long as my content doesn't show up on their site in long form, then I have no hate or arguments against it. I give credit to AEBN, its a great idea (just as xPeeps is), as long as it doesn't become an outlet for abusive piracy. With user uploaded content, what is AEBN going to do if someone uploads 20 minutes of video that I paid to make. I think that is the main concern. Piracy is a big deal, not to be trivialized.

[Hammer]

2257 nightmare and a site just begging for trouble.

[gonzo]

Stay tuned!

[fusionx]

My shit already gets ripped off through websites like metacafe - full members area videos. We send C&Ds, they get ignored. I am already looking into legal action.

AEBN has a responsibility to regulate the content. As a content producer, as long as my content doesn't show up on their site in long form, then I have no hate or arguments against it. I give credit to AEBN, its a great idea (just as xPeeps is), as long as it doesn't become an outlet for abusive piracy. With user uploaded content, what is AEBN going to do if someone uploads 20 minutes of video that I paid to make. I think that is the main concern. Piracy is a big deal, not to be trivialized.

Great points, Biggy. And Hell Puppy - thanks for starting this thread.

There's a report this item link on the site. We review the entries all day long. As soon as we see anything that is remotely innapropriate, including illegal crap or copyrighted materials, or even anything that borders on screwing over a sponsor program or anything similar, we remove it without comment. We don't ask the person to kindly take it down, we kick it out.

Yeah - it can be a little difficult to keep up, but we have people in place on xpeeps/qpeeps to handle the reports, and when pornotube goes fully live we'll have even more people watching the reports. There are people checking the reports now, of course; we'e working out a more formal process to get things removed almost in real-time.

The people who fear this are either manufactoring drama or, if they are truly worried about it, simply don't get it. "Web 2.0" is here to stay, and it makes perfect sense.

I also love the gfy threads like "is porn dead" and all that nonsense. Adult Entertainment is making more money now than ever before. We're seeing huge amounts of new members every day across our spectrum of sites. The market is growing exponentially, and there's room for everyone to play. Small guys, big guys, and anyone in between. The old marketing methods simply will not work well anymore. It's not about free porn on the net - it's because the consumer's attitudes are changing rapidly.

Check out this blog post I made in January this year:

Porn Is Mainstream Now

Over the last two or three years, I've watched the trend of porn and sexual entertainment related topics sneaking their way into mainstream news and even prime-time TV shows.

For example, Jesse Jane, Teagen Presley and Devon (Digital Playground contract models) appeared in episode 17 of HBO's hit show Entourage - not in little cameos as "normal people" but as porn stars. Speaking of HBO, this season has exploded with sex-related shows including Pornocopia, Katie Morgan: A Porn Star Revealed, Kim Cattrall Sexual Intelligence, G-String Divas, The Sex Inspectors, Shock Video, Cathouse: The Series, and the HBO late night staples Taxicab Confessions, the Hookers series, and Real Sex.

Of course, this is cable, not broadcast. Cable producers know sex sells, and their rules are far less strict than mainstream television. But even broadcast TV has moved towards the dark side with shows like Sex in the City, a fantastically successful series exploring the sexual relationships of four yuppie female Manhattenites, and Desperate Housewives, a voyeur's look inside the lives of five slutty suburbanites.

This all follows the sexy shows that started it all; Beverly Hill 90210, Dawson's Creek, and don't even get me started on MTV.

Fuck it. MTV is the undisputed king of sexual entertainment. The Real World is all about who is fucking who, and the music videos are soft core porn at the very least. Recent videos have featured well-known porn stars; Everclear featured Vivid girls Janine, Chasey Lain, Raylene and Jenteal. Janine in Blink 182's “What's My Age Again?”, Ginger Lynn in Metallica's “Turn the Page”, Kobe Tai and Dyanna Lauren singing backgrounds on Marilyn Manson's “Mechanical Animals”.

In fact, porn is moving into sports. Vivid Entertainment struck a deal with Sim's Snowboards, who developed a series of boards (Fader series) featuring pornstars in r- and x-rated versions. I found one on E-Bay featuring Jenna Jameson and Brianna Banks. Ashley Blue and Kelli Tyler have appeared on the WHFS Sports Junkies radio show in metro Los Angeles. There was some buzz around Mike Tyson allegedly signing to appear in a porn film - which never materialized. But then again, this is probably not a real indicator of porn's integration into mainstream America; it's just Mike Tyson, after all.

What brought about this sea change in attitudes? Have Americans become less prudish, less moralizing and less religious? Hardly. The porn industry is under attack from all corners, except big business. Congress is frantically trying to pass laws that will heavily impact if not destroy the industry. Religious groups are using their influence to whip their congregations into a frenzy, an anti-porn jihad, if you will. So what's the real deal? Why is porn still moving into mainstream faster than ever?

It's simple; big business has realized that the porn viewing demographic are viable customers. Porn people spend a lot of money, they are generally comfortable with high-tech and they cross over several desirable demographics, including the 18-34 straight male and 18-34 gay populations.

Cingular and the other major wireless carriers have been adamantly against offering porn on their carrier decks - until now. Cingular may be the first, but will definitely not be the last, to prepare to offer adult entertainment directly.

Porn can and should be advertised in more mainstream publications like FHM and Maxim. Of course, you don't want to use images of gapes and cream pies; the advertising needs to be toned down. Porn advertising has traditionally leaned towards in your face, hardcore, shock value spots, and we need to move to a softer, gentler approach.

For example, one of the most successful video on demand web sites, MovieMonster.com, is launching a nationwide TV advertisement this month. The spot uses humor to attract and tantalize viewers. I've heard uncorroborated reports that the advertisement has been accepted in every single state except Arkansas. This in itself in phenomenal; Utah is allowing porn advertisements on unrestricted cable! Finally, Mormons can get their jollies like the rest of us.

Bottom line, you need to wrap your brain around the fact that porn and sex are already mainstreamed - it's happened more quickly than any of us imagined. If we want to capitalize on this change, and who doesn't, we need to change our marketing methods to reflect the real world. Porn is becoming a commodity just like orange juice and RAM chips.

[gonzo]

Top 2 terms searched by Search engines on Oprano for the month of June.
pornotube and xpeeps

I hope GFY does as good of a job on killing pornotube just like they did with xpeeps.

[Hell Puppy]

My shit already gets ripped off through websites like metacafe - full members area videos. We send C&Ds, they get ignored. I am already looking into legal action.

AEBN has a responsibility to regulate the content. As a content producer, as long as my content doesn't show up on their site in long form, then I have no hate or arguments against it. I give credit to AEBN, its a great idea (just as xPeeps is), as long as it doesn't become an outlet for abusive piracy. With user uploaded content, what is AEBN going to do if someone uploads 20 minutes of video that I paid to make. I think that is the main concern. Piracy is a big deal, not to be trivialized.

We fight the same battles. We spend lots of time and money producing exclusive content. And I let very little of it out for free. So when I find it posted, I react quickly.

For U.S. based hosts, DMCA will usually get the job done. If a fly by night host ignores you, go upstream til you find one that wont.

Now of course with that said, eastern europe cant be controlled nor can peer to peer. And the reality is there's a large percentage of surfers out there who will never pay for porn on the net. You cant force 'em. Best you can do is try to keep them from spreading your content easily to those who might actually reach for their wallet.

[JR]

first pop ups were going to kill porn
then exit consoles were going to kill porn
then spam was going to kill porn
then cp was going to kill porn
then credit card scams were going to kill porn
then the new laws everyone feared was coming was going to kill porn
then tgp's and mgp's were going to kill porn
then amateur sites/free sites from amateurs with digital cameras was going to kill porn
then visa was going to kill porn
then then p2p networks were going to kill porn
then google video search (and others) was going to kill porn
then bush/republicans were going to kill porn
now pornotube.com is going to kill porn

did i leave any out? i'm sure many can add to the list.

everyone has a right to be concerned or the right to an opinion. i dont really have one other than that porn is more resiliant than anyone gives it credit for. porn isn't going away and in a free market economy, will always be paid for.

if history has taught us anything, its that protesting against what others are doing changes nothing and only allows those who quickly embrace new methods to profit and while they enjoy free promotion from constant protest threads and the benefit of limited competition as most take a "wait and see" attitude about jumping on the bandwagon and in the end... everyone gets on board anyway.

this has been another free, surfmaster lesson on the history of online porn.
:)

[JR]

My shit already gets ripped off through websites like metacafe - full members area videos. We send C&Ds, they get ignored. I am already looking into legal action.

your quote above could have easily come from 1997 or 98 as well.

some problems in this biz are both eternal and constant and always will be. your concern is a little misplaced. you shouldn't be worried about pornotube.com... they are easy to reach and based in a country that protects your rights. you should be fearing the problems you will have when aizerbaijan-pornotube.com, hosted in north korea gets popular.

enjoy bitching while someone exists to bitch at! :)

[softball]

first pop ups were going to kill porn
then exit consoles were going to kill porn
then spam was going to kill porn
then cp was going to kill porn
then credit card scams were going to kill porn
then the new laws everyone feared was coming was going to kill porn
then tgp's and mgp's were going to kill porn
then amateur sites/free sites from amateurs with digital cameras was going to kill porn
then visa was going to kill porn
then then p2p networks were going to kill porn
then google video search (and others) was going to kill porn
then bush/republicans were going to kill porn
now pornotube.com is going to kill porn

did i leave any out? i'm sure many can add to the list.

everyone has a right to be concerned or the right to an opinion. i dont really have one other than that porn is more resiliant than anyone gives it credit for. porn isn't going away and in a free market economy, will always be paid for.

if history has taught us anything, its that protesting against what others are doing changes nothing and only allows those who quickly embrace new methods to profit and while they enjoy free promotion from constant protest threads and the benefit of limited competition as most take a "wait and see" attitude about jumping on the bandwagon and in the end... everyone gets on board anyway.

this has been another free, surfmaster lesson on the history of online porn.
:)

That wasn't a lesson. I would think most here know that brief little history. I am always amazed that anyone can survive in an industry where most of the product is available for free. Can survive in an industry where crooks can stand at your door with sledgehammers pounding away to break in while the police drive by and smile and wave. Can survive in an industry where you are expected to pay up to 75% of your revenue in advertising. Can survive in an industry that expects you to use third parties to provide your cash register and collect your revenue. I find this all breath taking, really. But I guess it is kind of Darwinian and only the strong survive. The weak bitch, complain and whine.

[softball]

"If we want to capitalize on this change, and who doesn't, we need to change our marketing methods to reflect the real world. Porn is becoming a commodity just like orange juice and RAM chips."

What, you mean do "business"? Porn has always been a commodity like orange juice and the fundamentals of business have always applied except for a couple of years when the scammers reigned.

[Hell Puppy]

first pop ups were going to kill porn
then exit consoles were going to kill porn
then spam was going to kill porn
then cp was going to kill porn
then credit card scams were going to kill porn
then the new laws everyone feared was coming was going to kill porn
then tgp's and mgp's were going to kill porn
then amateur sites/free sites from amateurs with digital cameras was going to kill porn
then visa was going to kill porn
then then p2p networks were going to kill porn
then google video search (and others) was going to kill porn
then bush/republicans were going to kill porn
now pornotube.com is going to kill porn

did i leave any out? i'm sure many can add to the list.

everyone has a right to be concerned or the right to an opinion. i dont really have one other than that porn is more resiliant than anyone gives it credit for. porn isn't going away and in a free market economy, will always be paid for.

if history has taught us anything, its that protesting against what others are doing changes nothing and only allows those who quickly embrace new methods to profit and while they enjoy free promotion from constant protest threads and the benefit of limited competition as most take a "wait and see" attitude about jumping on the bandwagon and in the end... everyone gets on board anyway.

this has been another free, surfmaster lesson on the history of online porn.
:)

The real fun is watching people who've never made a dollar in this business doing anything other than spam now screaming like raped apes about pornotube...

[fusionx]

"If we want to capitalize on this change, and who doesn't, we need to change our marketing methods to reflect the real world. Porn is becoming a commodity just like orange juice and RAM chips."

What, you mean do "business"? Porn has always been a commodity like orange juice and the fundamentals of business have always applied except for a couple of years when the scammers reigned.

The point was mainstream. Non-mainstream products are not commodities in the open, mass market.

[gonzo]

The real fun is watching people who've never made a dollar in this business doing anything other than spam now screaming like raped apes about pornotube...

No the real fun is . . . it just doesnt fucking matter.

[gonzo]

http://www.techcrunch.com/page/2/

[Hell Puppy]

http://www.techcrunch.com/page/2/


Somewhere, Rolo's head just split open.

And it was probably quite painful to whoever's ass it was stuck in at the time.

[ScottMcGowan]

first pop ups were going to kill porn
then exit consoles were going to kill porn
then spam was going to kill porn
then cp was going to kill porn
then credit card scams were going to kill porn
then the new laws everyone feared was coming was going to kill porn
then tgp's and mgp's were going to kill porn
then amateur sites/free sites from amateurs with digital cameras was going to kill porn
then visa was going to kill porn
then then p2p networks were going to kill porn
then google video search (and others) was going to kill porn
then bush/republicans were going to kill porn
now pornotube.com is going to kill porn

did i leave any out? i'm sure many can add to the list.

everyone has a right to be concerned or the right to an opinion. i dont really have one other than that porn is more resiliant than anyone gives it credit for. porn isn't going away and in a free market economy, will always be paid for.

if history has taught us anything, its that protesting against what others are doing changes nothing and only allows those who quickly embrace new methods to profit and while they enjoy free promotion from constant protest threads and the benefit of limited competition as most take a "wait and see" attitude about jumping on the bandwagon and in the end... everyone gets on board anyway.

this has been another free, surfmaster lesson on the history of online porn.
:)

Isn't it great how the sky is always falling this fuckin' business. I just wrote a little something about that that I'll be posting on EyeOnAdult.com in a bit.