My word on the bannings and incidents (for whatever it is worth)

[Jace]

First, let me state that I am not a person that agrees with bannings either...the only time I like to see people banned is when someone registers a fake nick and abuses people for no reason, that is cowardly and deserves to be gone

When I said earlier I was leaving Oprano, I meant it the same way I mean it most of the time, and that is just that I would be leaving for a while to let things settle and come back when the dust cleared. I knew they route those guys were in the process of taking and I didn't want to be any part of it, I left GFY for a good reason and while I didn't appreciate some of the comments that were made in my direction earlier today, i also know it wouldn't have offended me so badly if it wasn't partially true at least some time in my past.

The past few months have been difficult for me, working 12-14 hours days to build up a reputation in this biz as a solid, knowledegable webmaster that is serious about business and ready to make some money...I feel like I have achieved that, and finally some important people and companies in this biz know my name and respect my position, so when some people that have been in this biz slightly longer than I have bash me and poke fun, it hits a little harder than I would like it, and while I don't feel that people like that should be censored, I also don't think that if they were secure enough in themselves and their life they would do that.

1 year ago, anyone that saw me on GFY would know that was a negative asshole who thought he knew it all, that person is gone...I purposely put myself in a position on March 6th 2006 to start from scratch and learn everything there is in the paysite realm once again....and with starting from scratch comes stupid questions and looking like a newbie, because the times I have done the paysite thing before I was arrogant and thought I could do it all myself, and I learned the hard way. I can promote the hell out of YOUR program and make you good money, but I am just getting the hang of promoting my OWN paysite and making myself money....and since I sold everything else that was making me money off, I am now working for myself, promoting myself (and my wife)....

The only thing I ask of the assholes of the board, is respect me and what I am trying to do, and poke at it and push buttons on it, if you can't respect me, just don't talk to me, I don't need it and don't have time for it, which is why I just left this morning instead of fighting about it....I don't mind the assholes, just show some respect for someone that is working hard to be were you were years ago...and ANYONE that knows me personally knows how damn hard I am working at all this, and if you dedicated your life to making something work.

wouldn't it bother you if some people that made millions at the same thing you are doing pushed and poked at you while you tried to make it happen, and then when they have you on the floor because you are pissed they kick you and tar and feather you? that is how I felt....call me thinned skinned, call me whatever, that is just how I am.

I am asking Bishop for the unbanning of Anthony and Nick, because I think they have the professionalism and respect to understand my position and treat me and others accordingly, because they too were once in the same position. If I am wrong I am sorry, but I don't think I am.

[Trev]

Damn! That's an outstanding post. I wish you all the success in the world with your site Jace. :wnw:

[Robin]

Jace,

You batted the ball back into the old-timers' court ;)

When I was a newbie I can assure you I too was at the end of Serge's savage tongue (er keyboard that is)...

And I consider it quite an honor - well, now I do - but then I thought he was a f***ing piece of s**t ;)

[JR]

jace, i think you are a nice guy and sincere. i mean this in a nice way... you can't demand respect. respect is earned. respect is not about money. by "respect" i don't mean by how much money you made/make or how long you have been around but by how you carry yourself as a person. you always have to bear some responsibility for your behavior and understand that people are also reacting to you. you can't demand that people have a certain opinion of you or that they treat you in a certain way... you shape their opinions through your words and actions.

is serge a prick? yeah... most would agree he is.
is mike? well.. he's staunch republican and thats close enough
is nick? anthony? me? sure... and so what? this is not elementary school where we are all learning to interact with the other kids. we are all adults here and most have learned that life is a road pave with assholes and the ignorant. its just something you tolerate as you get from point a to point b. many here think i am a cynical asshole. thats ok with me because i am big enough to accept responsibility for it. i understand it, i understand why, i understand what i have done to give people that impression of me.

do you want to know a secret to shutting people down who are trying to piss with you on a message board?? take the high ground. be professional. don't respond... don't fan the flames. don't attack knowing its going to draw the aggression of someone who is just looking for a few moments of free entertainment at your expense.

most importantly, don't take shit so seriously. you are not working any harder than anyone else ever did. you are not special, you are not less of a person, you are not more. you are one more guy struggling to make money like everyone else is and has. mike, myself and many others quit this biz because it is a massive struggle on every level and its a business that demands you spend the majority of your time fighting fires and stressing about life and death issues rather than focusing on actual growth. serge finally got tired of waking up in the early a.m. to start the shave machine. everyone has been there. it wasn't easy for anyone and it isn't getting easier. i worked 14hrs or more a day, 7 days a week for quite a few years until i burned out completely... you are not doing yourself any favors by thinking you are going to get sympathy for how hard you work. we have all been there and we know its not easy.

always remember that to most of the people you are offended by, to them, its all just pixels on a monitor.

:)

[Trev]

I've got to post this from a thread on Xnations from a guy I call a true friend as he can't post it here for himself:

Bishop, God bless his soul has another goal for Oprano. I really wish him the best, he's been a good mate of mine for years. Unfortuantely, he can't take being burned, never could.

Being bored today watching money roll in, I hit the yellow trail.
Ken is starting to take this whole Bishop personna too seriously. So, it was my duty to bring him back to earth.

Him banning Nick was stupid as shit, Hell banning me was stupid.

Ken was never a pisser, really. So banning is really the only way.

On a side note, I bet I could teach Jace how to make money in this business.

[Jace]

Jace,

You batted the ball back into the old-timers' court ;)

When I was a newbie I can assure you I too was at the end of Serge's savage tongue (er keyboard that is)...

And I consider it quite an honor - well, now I do - but then I thought he was a f***ing piece of s**t ;)
I don't know why you keep brininng up serge, nothing he said offended me or bothered me...I have known how serge is for years and he never crossed me, I know he is all in jest

[Trev]

I don't know why you keep brininng up serge, nothing he said offended me or bothered me...I have known how serge is for years and he never crossed me, I know he is all in jest
It's the bar that was set, then it was Serge these days (in fact even back then) it's people like Nickatilynx.

Only fools don't lend even half an ear to him... trust me I know.

[Sabby]

Jace I think you are a really great guy. Tabitha is lucky to have you to work so hard on her site. I love your posts.

And I wouldnt ever classify you or Rcourt in the same category as Rhetorical. He is a true idiot and there is a reason he has been banned from every board (especially Amateur Masters). The guy has changed his name at least 10 times and has a history and a bad reputation in this business that goes way back. He's in a league of his own.


Sabby:flash:

[Jace]

jace, i think you are a nice guy and sincere. i mean this in a nice way... you can't demand respect. respect is earned. respect is not about money. by "respect" i don't mean by how much money you made/make or how long you have been around but by how you carry yourself as a person. you always have to bear some responsibility for your behavior and understand that people are also reacting to you. you can't demand that people have a certain opinion of you or that they treat you in a certain way... you shape their opinions through your words and actions.

is serge a prick? yeah... most would agree he is.
is mike? well.. he's staunch republican and thats close enough
is nick? anthony? me? sure... and so what? this is not elementary school where we are all learning to interact with the other kids. we are all adults here and most have learned that life is a road pave with assholes and the ignorant. its just something you tolerate as you get from point a to point b. many here think i am a cynical asshole. thats ok with me because i am big enough to accept responsibility for it. i understand it, i understand why, i understand what i have done to give people that impression of me.

do you want to know a secret to shutting people down who are trying to piss with you on a message board?? take the high ground. be professional. don't respond... don't fan the flames. don't attack knowing its going to draw the aggression of someone who is just looking for a few moments of free entertainment at your expense.

most importantly, don't take shit so seriously. you are not working any harder than anyone else ever did. you are not special, you are not less of a person, you are not more. you are one more guy struggling to make money like everyone else is and has. mike, myself and many others quit this biz because it is a massive struggle on every level and its a business that demands you spend the majority of your time fighting fires and stressing about life and death issues rather than focusing on actual growth. serge finally got tired of waking up in the early a.m. to start the shave machine. everyone has been there. it wasn't easy for anyone and it isn't getting easier. i worked 14hrs or more a day, 7 days a week for quite a few years until i burned out completely... you are not doing yourself any favors by thinking you are going to get sympathy for how hard you work. we have all been there and we know its not easy.

always remember that to most of the people you are offended by, to them, its all just pixels on a monitor.

:)
wow, you took what I said COMPLETELY wrong. I would NEVER demand respect out of anyone, ever. In fact I hate it when people demand respect from me for whatever reason they feel is important, that is just silly.

as for carrying myself. I try to be the most articulate and professional person as possible, if that doesn't call for respect, than I give up...and to be honest, respect is a bad word to use, I just want courtesy, the same courtesy I give others.....and while I am on the topic, respect is something I give EVERYONE, no matter what...I feel that in life as long as you live it and don't hurt other humans, you will be a truely good person, and not hurting other means respecting life, no matter when and where, and I try my best to do that...

I have not seen anything from serge that warrants him being a prick, I see him lash out at people, but anyone who has the smallest brain can see that is from insecurity, and that is not something to get mad about, that is kind of sad.

Mike is just fun to listen too, he has a lot of great views on things that make life enjoyable...I may not agree, but I enjoy

I don't want to have to adjust my way of life for someone else that is obviously negative because of some insecurity they have, I just rank them right up there with p1mpdogg and Amp from GFY...and if they get to me, I step back and hopefully when I come back they will have cooled off....I am not going to let someone insult me, that is just a wacky way to think...if someone walks up to my wife and calls her a whore I sure as hell aren't going to fight them (i don't fight), but I will make sure they are dealt with.

as for taking shit too seriously, sorry man, anything that I put my life on the line for will be taken seriously....and you are right, I am sure they worked really hard to be were they are, so why can't they respect someone who is doing the same? I don't care about sympathy whatsoever, I just would like courtesy, and if someone can't show that then they have larger issues to deal with than insulting me on a message board.

i think you read entirely too deeply into my original post...the jist of it was, I want other to show me the same respect I show them, I don't demand it I just ask for it, and if they can't do that then oh well, but I don't think anyone should be censored for it

[Robin]

Oh, you mean who *started* it?

Ahh, we'll he can be a sh*****d too - same thing really - just a bit more venomous sometimes ;)

Hey, I don't need to say it, JR told you... "be professional. don't respond... don't fan the flames."...

[Jace]

On a side note, I bet I could teach Jace how to make money in this business.[/b]

and I love learning...let me him know that anytime anywhere I will welcome him :)

[gonzo]

Glad to see youve moved into the realm of a businessman. I look forward to doing even more business with you in the future.

In the meantime...Im headed out to shoot the 2nd model youve referred to us. Theres a FFN dinner with your name and the Missus on it whenever you care to redeeem it.

[JR]

as for taking shit too seriously, sorry man, anything that I put my life on the line for will be taken seriously....and you are right, I am sure they worked really hard to be were they are, so why can't they respect someone who is doing the same? I don't care about sympathy whatsoever, I just would like courtesy, and if someone can't show that then they have larger issues to deal with than insulting me on a message board.

that was my point about taking things seriously. you are offended by the words and attitudes of people that think don't respect you or don't show you respect. "why can't they respect me because..........." well... who cares? you shouldn't care. a mature person wouldn't care. you can't possibly be that fragile or sensitive and have blue hair at the same time! ;)

if you think they have nothing to do but to just insult you on a messageboard... well, then you have already summed them up and have no reason to be concerned about their opinions. its not like you are trying to gain the respect of someone that matters or that will actually offer you useful help in business.

its all just pixels on a monitor... nothing else.
:)

[Trev]

and I love learning...let me him know that anytime anywhere I will welcome him :)
If he ever gets to/or comes back here then I'm sure it'll happen... personally I'd drop a post over at the non censored http://www.xnations.com as he aint banned or censored over there. :)

Ok kids I'm outie for sleep :)

[Jace]

that was my point about taking things seriously. you are offended by the words and attitudes of people that think don't respect you or don't show you respect. "why can't they respect me because..........." well... who cares? you shouldn't care. a mature person wouldn't care. you can't possibly be that fragile or sensitive and have blue hair at the same time! ;)

if you think they have nothing to do but to just insult you on a messageboard... well, then you have already summed them up and have no reason to be concerned about their opinions. its not like you are trying to gain the respect of someone that matters or that will actually offer you useful help in business.

its all just pixels on a monitor... nothing else.
:)

point taken, and I agree 100%

[Mike AI]

If you have not been beat on by Serge, then you ARE a nobody.

I have e-mails from Serge in 1996 telling me what an IDIIIIOT I was, and I would never make a dime in the business. He also called me a stupid bitch, and thought my name was Melissa.

Jace, I like you. I actually take the time to read most of your posts...

[sudden]

point taken, and I agree 100%

How you can not know how to do an exit console AND not know how to use google to find out is beyond me ;\ Now, that can be excused.. but why get so fucking riled up by what ANYONE says?

[Jace]

How you can not know how to do an exit console AND not know how to use google to find out is beyond me ;\ Now, that can be excused.. but why get so fucking riled up by what ANYONE says?
actually, I like to come to the boards that I know intelligent people are on to ask their opinions

just because I ask how others like sex, doesn't mean I haven't had sex myself

I was trying some exit shit, and decided to ask if what I was doing was it or if there was more, and advice on the matter....i can't believe you all are STILL caught up on that thread, get over it, i asked and people were helpful, if you had beef with it you should have brought it up then

if you wanna make fun some more, just wait til tomorrow when I ask how to setup credit card processing for a paysite

[Winetalk.com]

Jace,

You batted the ball back into the old-timers' court ;)

When I was a newbie I can assure you I too was at the end of Serge's savage tongue (er keyboard that is)...

And I consider it quite an honor - well, now I do - but then I thought he was a f***ing piece of s**t ;)


..and you had to make millions just to prove me wrong , haven;t you!?
;)

[Winetalk.com]

jace, i think you are a nice guy and sincere. do you want to know a secret to shutting people down who are trying to piss with you on a message board?? take the high ground. be professional. don't respond... don't fan the flames.
:)


..or be like rhetorical and you will ALWAYS find somebody to talk about aborted fetuses
;)

[JR]

http://www.fuckedwebmaster.com/images/forrowyourdreams.jpg

[Winetalk.com]

I don't know why you keep brininng up serge, nothing he said offended me or bothered me...I have known how serge is for years and he never crossed me, I know he is all in jest

..and this is your loss.
All smart ones with huge EGO who I have crossed have made millions just to made me look foolish!
:)

I meet them for dinner nowadays
;)

[JR]

..or be like rhetorical and you will ALWAYS find somebody to talk about aborted fetuses
;)
now we know why he is a few Graham crackers short of a full box! ;)

[Winetalk.com]

If you have not been beat on by Serge, then you ARE a nobody.

I have e-mails from Serge in 1996 telling me what an IDIIIIOT I was, and I would never make a dime in the business. He also called me a stupid bitch, and thought my name was Melissa.

Jace, I like you. I actually take the time to read most of your posts...

hahahhaha,
MikeAI is one of those I was talking about!!!!

Now not we just meet for dinners, we also COOK dinners together!!!!!
( mostly at his 4 mils house, mine is too small ;)

[sudden]

actually, I like to come to the boards that I know intelligent people are on to ask their opinions

just because I ask how others like sex, doesn't mean I haven't had sex myself

I was trying some exit shit, and decided to ask if what I was doing was it or if there was more, and advice on the matter....i can't believe you all are STILL caught up on that thread, get over it, i asked and people were helpful, if you had beef with it you should have brought it up then

if you wanna make fun some more, just wait til tomorrow when I ask how to setup credit card processing for a paysite

Hehe, ok I'll give you that you can laugh at this.. however, exit consoles should be something you know before you need to set up paysite processing!




(and dont expect any help from me in setting up your paysite processing ;(..)

[softball]

Jace I think you are a really great guy. Tabitha is lucky to have you to work so hard on her site. I love your posts.

And I wouldnt ever classify you or Rcourt in the same category as Rhetorical. He is a true idiot and there is a reason he has been banned from every board (especially Amateur Masters). The guy has changed his name at least 10 times and has a history and a bad reputation in this business that goes way back. He's in a league of his own.


Sabby:flash:
Sabby,you have a worse reputation in this business, because you can't do business. You have sunk more sites than than the French navy. You have no idea how to run a web business. Your history is clear. You have been lying about me "stalking" you for years. Yeah, I know we have history, but you lie. I do not.

As for "banning nick" Nick flipped the switch a couple of times himself. I was a prime candidate because I pointed out all his bullshit and he seriously disliked that. You know the cars, the property, the trips, the seriously junk traffic he pumped up the Oprano numbers with. You think sponsors want to pay for traffic sent from bullshit pharma sites or teeny sites? So now he got the knife. So sad, too bad. What goes around, comes around and we all know he will be back. Its the freeking internet.
However, as for the big players here with big advice. Now that is another story. A lot of these guys made money in the past being barely legal (now illegal) and trashing the adult business to the point it is only now recovering. They were out and out spammers.
So if any one of them started out today, they would be fucked with a capital F. There are only a couple with any modicum of current success.
So the point I would make is who the fuck cares if they stick around or not. It is a brave new world where solid fundamental business principals apply....just like on the high street. The scamming get rich quick days are over. Finito.
There is a whole new generation of smart entrepreneurs that need to be cultivated and that is where the business will come from. Not from the cowboys who tell when we stories that are entertaining but have zero relevance in today's world.
Look at Anthony crowing about making 30K in a month. I would guess he hasn't done that in years. And that is not a lot in the scheme of things. There is a lot of money in porn. Don't listen to those morons who prattle on about their mainstream aspirations. If you even say mainstream, it probably isn't. It most likely is some idiot fake rolex or weird pharma spam scheme.
That is just how I see the world that we live and work in.
There are those who succeed, but there are many, many more who crash and burn. But the opportunities are enormous and this board has the opportunity to cash in on the new talent that is just coming onstream at the moment. WTF would you want to frighten them off with a bunch of irracible old has beens pontificating about the good old days?

[softball]

now we know why he is a few Graham crackers short of a full box! ;)
Yeah, jesse.....how's the mag? LMFAO

[softball]

..and this is your loss.
All smart ones with huge EGO who I have crossed have made millions just to made me look foolish!
:)

I meet them for dinner nowadays
;)
more bollocks

[softball]

..or be like rhetorical and you will ALWAYS find somebody to talk about aborted fetuses
;)
yawn....

[Sabby]

Rhetorical is too much of an idiot to even know how much of an idiot he really is. It's rather sad actually and sometimes I even feel sorry for him.



Sabby:flash:

[Robin]

...here is a whole new generation of smart entrepreneurs that need to be cultivated and that is where the business will come from...

So, what have you entrepreneured lately?

[softball]

Rhetorical is too much of an idiot to even know how much of an idiot he really is. It's rather sad actually and sometimes I even feel sorry for him.



Sabby:flash:

Actually Sabby I feel sorry for you. You are so hard up you had to run a web cam studio in your own house. I would never do business in my house. But I think you trashed that. Your last website never even hit the internet before it flamed. You tried so many tgp's, toplists, blah blah blah that failed. You even trashed your own board. Now you are working for someone else hoping he can do something with you. But the clock is ticking and you still haven't made it yet. So who is the idiot? Enough already.

[softball]

So, what have you entrepreneured lately?
Lots, you?

[sarettah]

What a ruination of a perfectly good thread.

But beyond the first couple of posts, it is funny as shit... :)


edited in: nah, it's too funny to even say. I think I will just sit and watch...lololololol.....

[Robin]

Lots, you?

Lots?

OK. Name one then? We'll see if I call or raise... ;)

[Sabby]

Actually Sabby I feel sorry for you. You are so hard up you had to run a web cam studio in your own house. I would never do business in my house. But I think you trashed that. Your last website never even hit the internet before it flamed. You tried so many tgp's, toplists, blah blah blah that failed. You even trashed your own board. Now you are working for someone else hoping he can do something with you. But the clock is ticking and you still haven't made it yet. So who is the idiot? Enough already.

You are a sad strange little man...

... and you have my pity.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

You are a sad strange little man...

... and you have my pity.


Sabby:flash:
Thanks for that Sabby. Coming from you, it means so much. LOL. I just have so much respect for your acumen and talent and pithy responses after your wild tirades. Just tell a lie and walk away. Its ok, kiddo. You are a girl.....as you have said so often. You can go shopping at the west edmonton mall and feel much better.

[Sabby]

I made money with all of my projects. (Okay except my board - which I actually only did for love so I could ban you from it, LOL). I just know when its time to move on. You been doing the same thing your entire internet life. And your "young" wife has at least 20 years on me.

I think I'll be okay.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

I made money with all of my projects. (Okay except my board - which I actually only did for love so I could ban you from it, LOL). I just know when its time to move on. You been doing the same thing your entire internet life. And your "young" wife has at least 20 years on me.

I think I'll be okay.


Sabby:flash:

LOL, I am sure you made money. Lots of people make money. It is bank that is the trick. And yes, she just might. LMFAO

[Sabby]

LOL, I am sure you made money. Lots of people make money. It is bank that is the trick. And yes, she just might. LMFAO

If my ass is still on the net when it is as old and wrinkly as hers is I hope someone will shoot me. And not with a camera.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

If my ass is still on the net when it is as old and wrinkly as hers is I hope someone will shoot me. And not with a camera.


Sabby:flash:

Right sabby, tell a lie and move on. She is way younger than you. You silly girl.
LMFAO.
OK, I wasn't going to say this, but not a word of a lie, I recently saw your pictures on alt.binaries.seniorcitizens
I cross my heart on that one. It had to happen.
Now your stupid insults are just moronic. You have no idea what you are talking about. You just spout venom with no basis in fact. The serge oprano method. Try something you thought up all by yourself for a change.

[sarettah]

Not to be Mr. Obvious but I would like to point out that at this point it appears that rhetorical is trying to bow out of a chance to play one ups manship with Robin as regards each of their respective entrepreneurial skills.


Just thought you would all like to know that. :rolleyes:

[Sammy]

Sabby,you have a worse reputation in this business, because you can't do business. You have sunk more sites than than the French navy. You have no idea how to run a web business. Your history is clear. You have been lying about me "stalking" you for years. Yeah, I know we have history, but you lie. I do not.

As for "banning nick" Nick flipped the switch a couple of times himself. I was a prime candidate because I pointed out all his bullshit and he seriously disliked that. You know the cars, the property, the trips, the seriously junk traffic he pumped up the Oprano numbers with. You think sponsors want to pay for traffic sent from bullshit pharma sites or teeny sites? So now he got the knife. So sad, too bad. What goes around, comes around and we all know he will be back. Its the freeking internet.
However, as for the big players here with big advice. Now that is another story. A lot of these guys made money in the past being barely legal (now illegal) and trashing the adult business to the point it is only now recovering. They were out and out spammers.
So if any one of them started out today, they would be fucked with a capital F. There are only a couple with any modicum of current success.
So the point I would make is who the fuck cares if they stick around or not. It is a brave new world where solid fundamental business principals apply....just like on the high street. The scamming get rich quick days are over. Finito.
There is a whole new generation of smart entrepreneurs that need to be cultivated and that is where the business will come from. Not from the cowboys who tell when we stories that are entertaining but have zero relevance in today's world.
Look at Anthony crowing about making 30K in a month. I would guess he hasn't done that in years. And that is not a lot in the scheme of things. There is a lot of money in porn. Don't listen to those morons who prattle on about their mainstream aspirations. If you even say mainstream, it probably isn't. It most likely is some idiot fake rolex or weird pharma spam scheme.
That is just how I see the world that we live and work in.
There are those who succeed, but there are many, many more who crash and burn. But the opportunities are enormous and this board has the opportunity to cash in on the new talent that is just coming onstream at the moment. WTF would you want to frighten them off with a bunch of irracible old has beens pontificating about the good old days?


Tom Cruise wants to eat his babies placenta, how many placentas have you eaten Graham?

30 grand a month, I wonder why that chink kept bringing thta number up, now i know.
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showpost.php?p=730093&postcount=105

Your wife makes more than that, she shou;ld teach Goinzo.

[Jace]

Tom Cruise wants to eat his babies placenta, how many placentas have you eaten Graham?

30 grand a month, I wonder why that chink kept bringing thta number up, now i know.
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showpost.php?p=730093&postcount=105

Your wife makes more than that, she shou;ld teach Goinzo.
fuck that, teach me! $30k a month would buy a lot of tacos

[gonzo]

Tom Cruise wants to eat his babies placenta, how many placentas have you eaten Graham?

30 grand a month, I wonder why that chink kept bringing thta number up, now i know.
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showpost.php?p=730093&postcount=105

Your wife makes more than that, she shou;ld teach Goinzo.

Fuck that .... why dont you teach me?

[Sabby]

Not to be Mr. Obvious but I would like to point out that at this point it appears that rhetorical is trying to bow out of a chance to play one ups manship with Robin as regards each of their respective entrepreneurial skills.


Just thought you would all like to know that. :rolleyes:

I think so too. Sorry for distracting him.

This is Rhetorical's entrepreneurial skills.

http://www.ffstockings.com/



Sabby:flash:

[gonzo]

I think so too. Sorry for distracting him.

This is Rhetorical's entrepreneurial skills.

http://www.ffstockings.com/



Sabby:flash:

Looks like an old school pay site to me. Did he borrow the design from one of Mike AI's former sites?

[softball]

Tom Cruise wants to eat his babies placenta, how many placentas have you eaten Graham?

30 grand a month, I wonder why that chink kept bringing thta number up, now i know.
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showpost.php?p=730093&postcount=105

Your wife makes more than that, she shou;ld teach Goinzo.
Serge, you don't want to post under winedork anymore? Your freeking awful English was our first clue. You are a moron and finally others are seeing it as well. I think painting signs was the height of your legitimate talent.

[softball]

Not to be Mr. Obvious but I would like to point out that at this point it appears that rhetorical is trying to bow out of a chance to play one ups manship with Robin as regards each of their respective entrepreneurial skills.


Just thought you would all like to know that. :rolleyes:
Ah sarettah, how wrong you are. Why would I? You wanna tell us about your financial accomplishments? No....prolly not. Good try, dude.

[softball]

http://sexwithsabrina.com/
Here is Sabby's tanked website.....

[softball]

Looks like an old school pay site to me. Did he borrow the design from one of Mike AI's former sites?
Not a chance.

[gonzo]

Not a chance.

Why not? Mikes old sites didnt even give up a nipple...you had to pay to see anything. Loads fast... I bet search engines eat it up. Whats the problem?

[softball]

So let me get this straight....now really kids....no bullshit here....Do you actually think that 30K is large? Seriously...you actually think that this is a hugely successful amount to earn in only.....one month? Please weigh in on this. Lets see who is who here.
Sabby, you ever made that?

[sarettah]

Ah sarettah, how wrong you are. Why would I? You wanna tell us about your financial accomplishments? No....prolly not. Good try, dude.


Ah but glasshoppa, I haven't ever claimed any grand financial accomplishments or laid claim to any outstanding entrepreneurial skills or accomplishments.

I am a programmer, a good programmer, but just a dime a dozen programmer when you get down to it.

You on the other hand have laid claim to certain things and I think you were called on it by Robin.


And I just want to watch the fun :yowsa:

[Sabby]

http://sexwithsabrina.com/
Here is Sabby's tanked website.....

And ironically it was probably making more than yours is back then when I decided it wasnt worth the hassel to spend any time on it.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

Why not? Mikes old sites didnt even give up a nipple...you had to pay to see anything. Loads fast... I bet search engines eat it up. Whats the problem?
Yeah, I heard that. But my sites are all my own invention. I never said there was a problem with it. It is a tried and true system that works. But he didn't invent it. It is just obvious, Gonzo. That ain't talent, it is just the way it should be.

[softball]

And ironically it was probably making more than yours is back then when I decided it wasnt worth the hassel to spend any time on it.


Sabby:flash:
Not a chance. Kid, you don't know shit from the internet. You have been trying for years with no luck at all. The best you ever got was a free ticket to amsterdam or something. Can't remember what it was you were crowing about back then.
You tanked that site fair and square. Bottom line, there was no interest in it, so it folded. Like about ten of your sites that you couldn't market.

[Robin]

Ah sarettah, how wrong you are. Why would I? You wanna tell us about your financial accomplishments? No....prolly not. Good try, dude.

Rhetorical folds, I take the pot... shame there wasn't much in it ;)

[softball]

Rhetorical folds, I take the pot... shame there wasn't much in it ;)
Yeah, robin. The pot is yours. BTW, its just over there....see that rainbow? Go to the end. Its all yours, dude.

[Sabby]

Rhetorical folds, I take the pot... shame there wasn't much in it ;)

I'm sure he'll give you his wife. But would you really want it?


Sabby:flash:

[Robin]

So let me get this straight....now really kids....no bullshit here....Do you actually think that 30K is large? Seriously...you actually think that this is a hugely successful amount to earn in only.....one month? Please weigh in on this. Lets see who is who here.
Sabby, you ever made that?

Well, it was only small fry, but between 1997 and 2000 ABC-web was making an average of $200K a month - does that count?

[gonzo]

Yeah, I heard that. But my sites are all my own invention. I never said there was a problem with it. It is a tried and true system that works. But he didn't invent it. It is just obvious, Gonzo. That ain't talent, it is just the way it should be.

We arent timelining designs in this thread.
I must have misread. I thought there was supposed to be a problem with it.

A wise man once said...
"Find demand, find how to fulfill it with other people efforts and you have it made."

Sounds like you agree :okthumb:

[softball]

I'm sure he'll give you his wife. But would you really want it?


Sabby:flash:
Sabby, you don't have a clue. obviously no one wants you, or you would have a successful business. That is obvious.

[softball]

Well, it was only small fry, but between 1997 and 2000 ABC-web was making an average of $200K a month - does that count?

Your use of the past tense says it all. When we stories. Today, dude...
You know when you gotta do it legally. Hell anyone can sell crack and get rich. So no it does not count. Talk in the present tense if you wanna be relevant. You can't do business like that anymore. The feds got wise and so did the customers. That shit almost wrecked the business, so it is not something to be admired nor emulated.

[Sabby]

Yes at one point durring my lowly internet career even Sabby could make $30K a month profit. Came pretty close to that with the cam thing also.



Sabby:flash:

[sarettah]

:corn:

Yum

[softball]

Yes at one point durring my lowly internet career even Sabby could make $30K a month profit. Came pretty close to that with the cam thing also.



Sabby:flash:
You did not. That's the facts jack.

[Sabby]

You did not. That's the facts jack.

Actually I did.


Sabby:flash:

[Robin]

Your use of the past tense says it all. When we stories. Today, dude...
You know when you gotta do it legally. Hell anyone can sell crack and get rich. So no it does not count. Talk in the present tense if you wanna be relevant. You can't do business like that anymore. The feds got wise and so did the customers. That shit almost wrecked the business, so it is not something to be admired nor emulated.

There's nothing *past* about me - I am close to making what I did in the late 90s but in bricks and mortar stuff - just repeating the formula - innovating where I see little progress.

Dunno why I hang around here sometimes really.

Oh yes I do ... people like you ;)

[softball]

Actually I did.


Sabby:flash:
Sure, you did, kid. Sure you did. Its ok Sabby. Like most of the crowing around here, it is past tense and useless. When we stories. Got any What we stories? You still working for the man, Sab.

[softball]

There's nothing *past* about me - I am close to making what I did in the late 90s but in bricks and mortar stuff - just repeating the formula - innovating where I see little progress.

Dunno why I hang around here sometimes really.

Oh yes I do ... people like you ;)

That's nice Robin. I am so happy for your success in the real world of bricks and mortar. Lots of us make money in bricks and mortar. That is easy. It is a tried and true formula. Safe as houses, actually.

[Sammy]

Sure, you did, kid. Sure you did. Its ok Sabby. Like most of the crowing around here, it is past tense and useless. When we stories. Got any What we stories? You still working for the man, Sab.

why are you so mad graham? how many blowjobs does your wife give to make 50 bucks? 10? 15?

You will never understand moron, people here made their money using their own skills and talents. you moron, use your wife fucking other men and are proud of it

[Sabby]

Sure, you did, kid. Sure you did. Its ok Sabby. Like most of the crowing around here, it is past tense and useless. When we stories. Got any What we stories? You still working for the man, Sab.

And you have always worked for the woman.

You just should have found one that was alot smarter and better looking. But then what would she want with you?



Sabby:flash:

[Robin]

That's nice Robin. I am so happy for your success in the real world of bricks and mortar. Lots of us make money in bricks and mortar. That is easy. It is a tried and true formula. Safe as houses, actually.

No I am not doing real estate - currently I start, build up and sell restaurants at a profit. Nowadays I like to spend my days with *real* people you see :)

[softball]

And you have always worked for the woman.

You just should have found one that was alot smarter and better looking. But then what would she want with you?



Sabby:flash:

Sabby, she could chew you up and spit you out in this business. You are a loser for sure. "She" never loses.

[softball]

No I am not doing real estate - currently I start, build up and sell restaurants at a profit. Nowadays I like to spend my days with *real* people you see :)
Yeah, I hear there is decent money in that. Too much freeking work for my taste. But to each his own.

[Jace]

So let me get this straight....now really kids....no bullshit here....Do you actually think that 30K is large? Seriously...you actually think that this is a hugely successful amount to earn in only.....one month? Please weigh in on this. Lets see who is who here.
Sabby, you ever made that?
I will be the first to say $30k a month would be excellent money for me...shit, $15k a month would be fine with me...I am a simple man though, I have a car that is 15 years old and beat up, not because I can't afford another I just don't care to have one, I rarely drive and just don't see the need in anything fancy.

being rich is relative, while $30k a month may not be making buttloads of money to you, $30k a month would put me in a position to never have to work again, and whatever children I eventually adopt will not have to work either...$30k a month to me, is well, being rich, and if I had that kind of money I would not move, I would do nothing new, I would just invest invest invest....

[Sammy]

Sabby, she could chew you up and spit you out in this business. You are a loser for sure. "She" never loses.

who is looser graham? sabby who makes her "own" money, or you, your wife's bitch, there to clean up the cum off her lips and suc ito ut of her ass?

how much allowance she give you, idiot?

[Vick]

I gave the matter about the 6 seconds of thought it deserved and ......

.... believe I could make more money with Sabby than rhetorical


and in the 30 K a month dick slinging contest does it count if I did 2K a day ;-)

how about a thread on how much was pissed away ah ha ha ha ha

and mine was not pissed on drugs, whores or insane parties

and I'm still the biggest idiot on the internet

[Winetalk.com]

she gives him enough to buy condoms to avoid more abortions

[sarettah]

I will be the first to say $30k a month would be excellent money for me...

You are far from the only one :okthumb:

[Jace]

ok, the curiosity is killing me...who was/is rhetoricals wife? was she a porn star or something?

[Sabby]

ok, the curiosity is killing me...who was/is rhetoricals wife? was she a porn star or something?

Here is one of her better pics:

http://www.ffstockings.com/images/main.jpg

http://www.ffstockings.com


Sabby:flash:

[Winetalk.com]

her trying piss away Graham's fetus is my favorite:
http://www.ffstockings.com/julia/photos/images/out11pat.jpg

[Jace]

for the first time in months, I am at a loss for words

[Winetalk.com]

for the first time in months, I am at a loss for words

you are not alone...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=9714923#post9714923

[Winetalk.com]

whoops, I spoke too soon...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=599622

[softball]

who is looser graham? sabby who makes her "own" money, or you, your wife's bitch, there to clean up the cum off her lips and suc ito ut of her ass?

how much allowance she give you, idiot?
Serge you gotta post under two names now? You are pathetic.

[Winetalk.com]

..and your wife is loved a lot on GFY

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=599622

[softball]

..and your wife is loved a lot on GFY

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=599622
Serge, ...oh why bother. Lets see where the dust settles. You truly are a piece of work. Once a crook always a crook.

[Winetalk.com]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=599622

[softball]

yawn

[Winetalk.com]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=599622


read it and weap

[softball]

you said that. Man you are losing it tonight. I ain't gonna read em.

[Winetalk.com]

who cares what you read or not?
those are Key Words:

stockings, wife pimping, nasty pimps, small dicks

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=599622